| lpotter | ZogG_laptop: jolla _already_ prvides some place to report bugs/contributions, etc. | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| Aard | jjaone: yes. can you manually pull up the broken package? | 00:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | lpotter: the point is if you want to do only the way you want, why make phone public, just use it for yourself with yourself by yourself | 00:00 |
| special | fk_lx: I don't expect you to help me, I want you to help yourself, and I want to help you do that | 00:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | lpotter: tell me twitter can count as well | 00:00 |
| lpotter | ok. it can | 00:00 |
| fk_lx | special: phdeswer, w00t: of course you are individuals, but you can forward what I am saying to those who have power | 00:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | an tell me there are shipping related thing in maillist | 00:00 |
| fk_lx | special: phdeswer, w00t: for them to at least think about it | 00:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | or you wnat those | 00:01 |
| AL13N_lizzy | can anyone Jolla and non-Jolla comment on http://elinux.org/Jolla#Developing_for_Jolla.2FSailfish ? | 00:01 |
| AL13N_lizzy | is this ok? | 00:01 |
| jjaone | Aard: you mean the jolla-email-settings package? How would I do that? It seems it's Available, but how do I install it? | 00:01 |
| AL13N_lizzy | as a start page? | 00:01 |
| AL13N_lizzy | sort of? | 00:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | i can tell guys at TMO is that i was told the way to communicate is maillist | 00:01 |
| lpotter | ZogG_laptop: shipping would be care@ | 00:01 |
| Aard | jjaone: pkcon update jolla-email-settings | 00:01 |
| Aard | jjaone: or other option to try to do a full update would be using version --dup | 00:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | we'll see how you'll be happy with spam on maillist | 00:01 |
| phdeswer | fk_lx: we are don't worry. I am just trying to steer you into a direction where you can start doing things for yourself. | 00:01 |
| w00t | AL13N_lizzy: looks like a good start to me | 00:01 |
| special | AL13N_lizzy: agreed, thanks for putting that up | 00:01 |
| AL13N_lizzy | if there's inaccuracy don't hesitate | 00:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | lpotter: so i need 10 places? | 00:01 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i like the Motto :-) | 00:02 |
| AL13N_lizzy | should help set the pace | 00:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | while most info you can gather are at TMO | 00:02 |
| lpotter | ZogG_laptop: you would need 20 places with forums too | 00:02 |
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| jjaone | Aard: I'll try the pkcon update.. | 00:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | lpotter: there are community moderators who delete merge things | 00:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | so we are ok | 00:02 |
| fk_lx | special: phdeswer, w00t: well understand that some people are doing things for yourself if they are helping others | 00:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | there are those who use search and quote given answers | 00:03 |
| jjaone | Aard: should it be run as "nemo" or "root"? | 00:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | there are those who created mer and nemo from TMO :P | 00:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | but ho cares | 00:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | night | 00:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | for real now | 00:03 |
| lpotter | jjaone: pkcon can be run as nemo | 00:03 |
| Aard | jjaone: both works | 00:03 |
| fk_lx | special: phdeswer, w00t: heard sth about that by helping others you help yourself? | 00:03 |
| jjaone | lpotter: ok, thanks.. let's see what happens.. | 00:04 |
| phdeswer | fk_lx: I know the idea. | 00:04 |
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| jjaone | Aard: started installing, at 0% | 00:05 |
| fk_lx | phdeswer: if you know, that understand that people are different - I have a friend that almost never cames up with his own ideas, but he is good in helping others in supporting actively their ideas | 00:05 |
| AL13N_lizzy | say, don't you guys have to work early tomorrow? and yet you're all here :-) | 00:05 |
| Venemo | I don't | 00:06 |
| Aard | AL13N_lizzy: there is no 'work start' or 'work end' in jolla | 00:06 |
| w00t | AL13N_lizzy: my definition of morning is a little bendable | 00:06 |
| AL13N_lizzy | fk_lx: btw: could you find out the TMO links and update http://elinux.org/Jolla#Developing_for_Jolla.2FSailfish accordingly? | 00:06 |
| Venemo | Aard: why not? | 00:06 |
| phdeswer | AL13N_lizzy: we are loosing our sleep to co-operate with the community | 00:07 |
| Aard | Venemo: there's "drop and sleep due to beeing exhausted", that's enough | 00:07 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Venemo: i'm betting he says something like we just sleep/eat in between infinite work | 00:07 |
| fk_lx | special: phdeswer, w00t: and please exchange thinking 'we' as a company to 'we' as a community (including the company) | 00:07 |
| w00t | Aard: hack week was fun week | 00:07 |
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| jjaone | Aard: now I have these: pkcon get-packages | grep " jolla-email" | 00:08 |
| jjaone | Installed jolla-email-0.0.71-10.16.1.jolla.armv7hl | 00:08 |
| jjaone | Available jolla-email-all-translations-0.0.1-10.1.1.jolla.noarch | 00:08 |
| jjaone | Installed jolla-email-all-translations-pack-0.0.1-10.1.2.jolla.noarch | 00:08 |
| jjaone | Available jolla-email-all-translations-pack-0.0.1-10.1.1.jolla.noarch | 00:08 |
| jjaone | Installed jolla-email-settings-0.0.71-10.16.1.jolla.armv7hl | 00:08 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ok, i need to go to sleep soon | 00:08 |
| Aard | jjaone: looks better | 00:08 |
| jjaone | Aard: seems it fixed it ;) | 00:08 |
| jjaone | Aard: the problem actually is, that I've received "Problem with Store" each time an OTA update arrives.. | 00:09 |
| AL13N_lizzy | fk_lx: it's no use... it would be nice to have sailfish on it's own completely open, but it's gonna take some time, imho; best to actually start the work/ideas and start from there | 00:09 |
| jjaone | Aard: and in this case when there was two packages, it went thru partially.. | 00:09 |
| Aard | jjaone: you seem to have developer mode on -- so the useful part there would be saving the output of the journal (journalctl). packagekit logs there, and if it barfs it'll be visible from the log | 00:10 |
| fk_lx | special: phdeswer, w00t: because saying - we (company) will think and came up with what is best for you (community) is not co-creating | 00:10 |
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| special | fk_lx: your opinions are heard, none of us make that decision, none of us speak for the company | 00:10 |
| jjaone | Aard: ok, you mean wen next OTA update arrives and it fails, I should check the journal? | 00:11 |
| phdeswer | fk_lx: also we said to come up with a solution that is the best for us (community + company) | 00:11 |
| Aard | jjaone: yes, please. I'd prefer to find out why it's going wrong on your device, and then fix it :) | 00:11 |
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| Venemo | can we just reflash the device? | 00:12 |
| Aard | Venemo: no flasher out. you can do factory reset, which will revert to the state like when you got it | 00:12 |
| fk_lx | special, phdeswer, w00t: I really would warn you to avoid "we know better" logic, as it will discourage valuable people from helping. And I am saying this because I see a lot from Jolla side "we are the most talented, we are the best, we done what others (big companies) cannot do. Repeating that in long term is very dangerous. | 00:12 |
| jjaone | Aard: me too, beacause it first appeared when the SailfisoS system update arrived, and I had to do it 3 times, before it went thru (disabled dev-mode, unplugged from charger, changed back to default TOH).. | 00:13 |
| Aard | Venemo: I'd still prefer getting bug reports and trying to fix it, though :p | 00:13 |
| fk_lx | special: phdeswer, w00t: it suggests that those outside Jolla are in some way worse or less talented | 00:13 |
| special | fk_lx: if we were convinced that we know better and don't need or want you, we'd be chatting on the internal IRC. | 00:13 |
| phdeswer | fk_lx: now you are just trolling. Nobody of us has said anything like that | 00:13 |
| special | there is value in an active community and the contributions they create | 00:13 |
| special | there is not value in this discussion anymore, though ;) | 00:13 |
| fk_lx | phdeswer: go and listen what Marc says in media | 00:14 |
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| faenil | fk_lx, we (community) will start setting up our own bugzilla tomorrow! o/ | 00:14 |
| faenil | let's give a hand to those guys shall we | 00:14 |
| jjaone | Aard: but will keep on eye of updates, and if they fail, I'll get the journal logs, and where should I send them? | 00:14 |
| phdeswer | fk_lx: that is marketing. This has nothing to do with this discussion or community work. | 00:14 |
| fk_lx | special: I do agree that you should use public IRC more than the internal one ;-) | 00:14 |
| AL13N_lizzy | phdeswer: i agree there | 00:14 |
| Aard | jjaone: see query | 00:15 |
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| fk_lx | phdeswer: that marketing, even if it's good for mainstream, has it's own side effects, and what you are saying in media also reaches others like ZogG_laptop and then you hear complains about elitism | 00:15 |
| jjaone | Aard: see what? | 00:15 |
| AL13N_lizzy | community is good, but it's not all community, we shouldn't kill the company either | 00:15 |
| Aard | jjaone: where to send it | 00:15 |
| AL13N_lizzy | we just need to find the middle road | 00:15 |
| phdeswer | fk_lx: some people will always look for something that is not there or misunderstand things. Fact of life. And there are plenty of those people on the net. I am not going to waste my time with something like that as it does not help anybody getting anywhere. | 00:16 |
| fk_lx | special: phdeswer, w00t: another example - Jolla is using stuff like mallit, did it send already to mallit people covers "I made this"? Powerful symbol I would say. | 00:16 |
| jjaone | Aard: yes where should I send it? | 00:17 |
| special | fk_lx: well, we hired one of them.. :p | 00:17 |
| faenil | so yes, he has I made this :D | 00:17 |
| fk_lx | special: which one? | 00:17 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i think sailfish itself as well as jolla-* apps opensource and maybe even harbour too, would be nice, but i think it might starve the company | 00:17 |
| Aard | jjaone: check your irc client for message from me | 00:18 |
| faenil | AL13N_lizzy, might :D | 00:18 |
| AL13N_lizzy | but that is something for marketing to figure out | 00:18 |
| AL13N_lizzy | not us | 00:18 |
| AL13N_lizzy | we're techies | 00:18 |
| faenil | fk_lx, so tomorrow you help me with community bz, okay? | 00:18 |
| faenil | AL13N_lizzy, wanna join? | 00:18 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, let me know if you want to contribute too | 00:18 |
| AL13N_lizzy | oh plz | 00:18 |
| fk_lx | special: and what about the others from that project? | 00:18 |
| AL13N_lizzy | faenil: http://elinux.org/Jolla#Developing_for_Jolla.2FSailfish | 00:18 |
| AL13N_lizzy | plz read and insert link when created :-) | 00:18 |
| jjaone | Aard: ah, ok ;) Haven't been much IRC:in in the last few years, so I'm bit rusty on this Empathy client | 00:19 |
| special | fk_lx: as much as I'd love to send a phone to everyone who has ever contributed to linux, qt, or all of the other opensource we use, we don't have that many phones :p | 00:19 |
| fk_lx | special: do they also receive those covers? or about other people that more or less contributed to Mer/Nemo, for example Venemo | 00:19 |
| special | fk_lx: what we do is give back by contributing our work to the upstreams | 00:19 |
| faenil | AL13N_lizzy, no, I need your help to create it, not to insert a link :P | 00:19 |
| special | fk_lx: and fwiw, I don't even have the "I made this" cover, and I've worked here for over a year :p | 00:19 |
| * AL13N_lizzy is confused now | 00:20 | |
| fk_lx | special: well, I'm just speaking now about symbols and marketing, that are building the wall. Yeah they are good for Jolla's employees to motivate them, but the side effect that it has opposite effect to everyone that tries to help and is outside | 00:20 |
| AL13N_lizzy | faenil: you're a dev and nemo contributor, right? can you ask nemo people if we are allowed to create a project on their bugzilla called sailfish? where we can put our bugs? or do you think this is a bad idea? | 00:21 |
| AL13N_lizzy | or bring me into contact with them to ask? | 00:21 |
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| faenil | AL13N_lizzy, I think I'll ask tbr as he could have some free space on his server for us :D | 00:21 |
| AL13N_lizzy | that's also a good idea | 00:21 |
| faenil | AL13N_lizzy, but I'm not sure having another section on Nemo bugzilla is a good idea, but maybe it is | 00:22 |
| AL13N_lizzy | faenil: if they have separate projects, it might help if they have a feature that a bug exists in nemo and sailfish | 00:22 |
| AL13N_lizzy | so it's just one bug | 00:22 |
| AL13N_lizzy | instead of multiple | 00:22 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i donno | 00:22 |
| lpotter | problem is getting jolla devs to pay attention to the many bug reporters | 00:22 |
| faenil | AL13N_lizzy, yes that's why I said "maybe" | 00:22 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i'm just thinking | 00:22 |
| faenil | lpotter, I think ideally community will take care of cleaning | 00:23 |
| AL13N_lizzy | lpotter: well, w00t and special said that if there was a good bug list, he would look at it | 00:23 |
| lpotter | at one time in trolltech/nokia, we had no less than 5 we had to pay attention to. thats a pain | 00:23 |
| AL13N_lizzy | that's good enough for me | 00:23 |
| jjaone | Aard: ah can't find your message in Empathy.. ;( | 00:23 |
| AL13N_lizzy | we just need to find some less techie people willing to sort out the real and fake bug reports | 00:23 |
| Aard | jjaone: try to message me directly | 00:24 |
| fk_lx | special, phdeswer, w00t: so to sum up, more _real_ focus on community than focus and lights on yourself (company) and more inclusivness instead of building a construction elite and rest of the world. And yes marketing is marketing, but is the message that goes to everyone, also to us here. | 00:24 |
| lpotter | just make a bug reporter page that mails the mailing list. | 00:24 |
| faenil | fk_lx, do you have /ignore on me? XD | 00:24 |
| AL13N_lizzy | lpotter: you want to have all bugs on the mailing list? | 00:25 |
| AL13N_lizzy | that's nuts | 00:25 |
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| w00t | fk_lx: I think you've made your points clear, and I like to think we've made our points clear - this is no longer a useful discussion | 00:25 |
| fk_lx | w00t: I'm just ending, about to go to sleep | 00:26 |
| AL13N_lizzy | fk_lx: you have twitter right? can you tweet something about a community bugzilla happening and we need volunteers to help sort out priority of bug reports? (20 people should be nice; this means it'll end up as 2 real people) | 00:26 |
| faenil | fk_lx, when I hear you talking about community bz again, you'll get same treament :P | 00:26 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i seriously need to go to sleep | 00:26 |
| faenil | AL13N_lizzy, tell me about that :D | 00:26 |
| AL13N_lizzy | faenil: you have twitter? | 00:27 |
| fk_lx | faenil: I don't have ignore on you, I'm unlike some other people ... | 00:27 |
| AL13N_lizzy | faenil: then you can do this as well | 00:27 |
| faenil | AL13N_lizzy, yes, you don't follow me? shame on you :D | 00:27 |
| lpotter | AL13N_lizzy: ok. how about just a twitter account to report bugs | 00:27 |
| AL13N_lizzy | tbh, i try to cut back on social stuff | 00:27 |
| faenil | fk_lx, you still have ignored me for all this time...but let's not focus on that now ;) | 00:27 |
| AL13N_lizzy | lpotter: lol | 00:27 |
| faenil | lpotter, if you say that's something steve jobs would do, I create it NAO | 00:28 |
| AL13N_lizzy | lpotter: the problem is that bz will get spammed and useless stuff by people who don't know what a towel is... | 00:28 |
| fk_lx | faenil: sorry too much flow of information I couldn't focus on what everyone is saying, was focusing on special and phdeswer and earlier w00t | 00:28 |
| special | I stand out among a crowd, can't help it | 00:28 |
| lpotter | AL13N_lizzy: so will any public bug reporter tool. been there. done that. | 00:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | If somebody wants to get me a device, I have a fair bit of bugzilla administration and triaging experience. ;) | 00:28 |
| AL13N_lizzy | special: lame | 00:28 |
| special | :p | 00:28 |
| AL13N_lizzy | lpotter: yes | 00:28 |
| tigeli | UAUAUA | 00:29 |
| tigeli | good night :D | 00:29 |
| AL13N_lizzy | lpotter: at the very least it'll help me as a reminder of what to ask you guys on IRC here | 00:29 |
| AL13N_lizzy | GeneralAntilles: aha, we have our first volunteer | 00:29 |
| AL13N_lizzy | faenil: ^^ | 00:29 |
| fk_lx | faenil: I think idea is good, I'm all for community bugtracker, but I don't have infra to set it up | 00:29 |
| faenil | AL13N_lizzy, I don't think you read his price :P | 00:29 |
| * lpotter still wonders what is wrong with using the already set up and working devel mailing list | 00:29 | |
| AL13N_lizzy | GeneralAntilles: but don't worry, i too do not have a device | 00:29 |
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| fk_lx | faenil: idea with tbr providing infra sounds good | 00:30 |
| faenil | fk_lx, infra is hopefully not hard to find | 00:30 |
| w00t | GeneralAntilles: proxy-buy offer is still valid ;) | 00:30 |
| AL13N_lizzy | lpotter: nothing is wrong the the mailing list | 00:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | w00t, :) | 00:30 |
| Eztran | lpotter: volunteers can clear out a community bugtracker, leaving useful stuff for Jolla to look at. They cannot do this with the mailing list. | 00:30 |
| lpotter | hey I dont have a jolla either, just protos | 00:30 |
| AL13N_lizzy | lpotter: it's just a different purpose | 00:30 |
| lpotter | AL13N_lizzy: not really | 00:30 |
| AL13N_lizzy | lpotter: lets have this case: | 00:31 |
| AL13N_lizzy | lpotter: i post a bug on mailing list | 00:31 |
| AL13N_lizzy | lpotter: after while more bugs are posted | 00:31 |
| lpotter | Eztran: I doubt volunteers would know exactly how to clear it out though | 00:31 |
| AL13N_lizzy | a small percentage is not answered and drops down | 00:31 |
| AL13N_lizzy | lpotter: those will be forgotten later on | 00:31 |
| Eztran | Not even, say, GeneralAntilles, with 'a fair bit of bugzilla administration and triaging experience'? | 00:31 |
| fk_lx | lpotter: you have right to have doubts, but why not give it a try? | 00:32 |
| AL13N_lizzy | lpotter: that's what i don't want to have | 00:32 |
| lpotter | same will happen on bugzilla | 00:32 |
| lpotter | fk_lx: been there, done that already. many times | 00:32 |
| AL13N_lizzy | lpotter: that's true, but at least if someone joins later, they can still see all the old bugs | 00:32 |
| fk_lx | lpotter: mailing list is much harder to search, and you cannot easily apply statuses to messagest etc. | 00:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unless there's buy-in from Jolla, there's no point in pursuing it. | 00:32 |
| faenil | lpotter, well I think there are a bunch of people in nemo who would know how to clear it out | 00:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | We played this game with Nokia on maemo.org. | 00:32 |
| GeneralAntilles | It sucks. | 00:32 |
| lpotter | AL13N_lizzy: mailing list archinves | 00:32 |
| lpotter | archives | 00:32 |
| AL13N_lizzy | yes | 00:32 |
| faenil | of course they can check if the same bugs are duplicated of what's already in jolla bz, but that can be checked later | 00:33 |
| faenil | can't check* | 00:33 |
| AL13N_lizzy | lpotter: and it does work, but not when 100 bugs/day are generated on ML | 00:33 |
| fk_lx | lpotter: maybe you got too old, let's give other a chance, who have fresh approach, not like saying ex cathedra "it won't work" | 00:33 |
| faenil | GeneralAntilles, what do you mean by "buy-in" | 00:33 |
| AL13N_lizzy | lpotter: what if we tagged bugs with JOLLA or something? | 00:33 |
| * fk_lx percives lpotter as retired hippie ;-) | 00:34 | |
| AL13N_lizzy | then this smaller list can be emailed daily? to ML | 00:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | faenil, meaning that they actually look at and work on confirmed bugs. | 00:34 |
| GeneralAntilles | faenil, not that the bugs just go into a black hole. | 00:35 |
| faenil | GeneralAntilles, they are already doing that | 00:35 |
| faenil | if we selecte bugs and let them know about them, they'll file in internal one | 00:35 |
| GeneralAntilles | faenil, I mean specifically with a Jolla bugzilla. | 00:35 |
| faenil | doens't my sentence apply? | 00:35 |
| AL13N_lizzy | GeneralAntilles: w00t and special said they would look if it would be a good list of bugs | 00:35 |
| Venemo | srsly, I go away for an hour and you guys are still talking about this? | 00:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | faenil, I'm not making a general argument about Jolla's bug tracking. | 00:36 |
| fk_lx | Venemo: I'm heading to sleep | 00:36 |
| GeneralAntilles | But we had a bug tracker on maemo.org that only a handful of people from Nokia actually paid attention to, we don't want that situation duplicated. | 00:36 |
| lpotter | setup a JIRA. bz is no good IMHO | 00:36 |
| faenil | GeneralAntilles, and the solution to that is? | 00:36 |
| faenil | lpotter, serious or ironic? | 00:36 |
| lpotter | GeneralAntilles: my point exactly | 00:37 |
| fk_lx | Venemo: and I'm looking forward to what faenil says, he talks seriosuly about bugtracker! | 00:37 |
| lpotter | faenil: I hate bz | 00:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | faenil, solution is getting Jolla people engaged with the idea. | 00:37 |
| fk_lx | Venemo: but I need head to sleep | 00:37 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i couldn't care less about what bugtracker is used | 00:37 |
| special | GeneralAntilles: I think the short term workflow would be that valid, actionable bugs get copied to the internal bz and worked on there. | 00:37 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i just want a place where bugs aren't forgotten | 00:37 |
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| lpotter | AL13N_lizzy: ok. mailing list/twitter it is! | 00:37 |
| special | GeneralAntilles: and there's room to evolve the process as it grows | 00:37 |
| AL13N_lizzy | lpotter: you're not alone | 00:37 |
| AL13N_lizzy | :-) | 00:38 |
| faenil | GeneralAntilles, they are already, but there are no resources/time atm | 00:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | faenil, that's not likely to change anytime in the near future. | 00:38 |
| AL13N_lizzy | exactly | 00:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | That's sort of a constant in this field, it seems. | 00:38 |
| faenil | GeneralAntilles, odn't know, so? | 00:38 |
| special | on the other hand | 00:38 |
| special | triaging community bugs can't take half as long as this conversation. | 00:38 |
| faenil | special, +100 | 00:38 |
| AL13N_lizzy | heh | 00:38 |
| fk_lx | anway heading to sleep, it was nice to talk to you all, special greetings to special and phdeswer for engaing in discussion with me | 00:38 |
| fk_lx | bye all | 00:39 |
| faenil | o/ | 00:39 |
| * fk_lx disappears | 00:39 | |
| faenil | GeneralAntilles, what do you propose | 00:39 |
| faenil | (it's freaking late guys, crap :( ) | 00:39 |
| GeneralAntilles | faenil, nothing in particular. | 00:40 |
| lpotter | what!? not even noon! | 00:40 |
| w00t | faenil: no, at this point, i think it's early | 00:40 |
| AL13N_lizzy | lpotter: i like the devel ML as it is...nice short on emails, always very techy, i don't want to bloat it | 00:40 |
| w00t | faenil: time to head to the office! | 00:40 |
| faenil | w00t, yeah o/ | 00:40 |
| AL13N_lizzy | lol | 00:40 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i'm gonna go sleep | 00:40 |
| faenil | w00t, at least in helsinki it was 4am and it was me you and special ( Aard and phaeron ) | 00:41 |
| faenil | now I would be alone, not fun :P | 00:41 |
| special | I'll be with you in spirit | 00:41 |
| Aard | faenil: remember, saturday, tampere | 00:41 |
| faenil | special, pah | 00:41 |
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| faenil | Aard, oh, right! lunch? dinner? cinema? what are we doing? :P | 00:42 |
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| piee | morning china | 00:42 |
| AL13N_lizzy | faenil: let's decide tomorrow what we do | 00:42 |
| AL13N_lizzy | night all | 00:42 |
| Aard | faenil: probably something like lunch? | 00:42 |
| faenil | AL13N_lizzy, night o/ | 00:42 |
| faenil | Aard, yo | 00:42 |
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| faenil | good night peoplezzz | 00:43 |
| Venemo | night :) | 00:43 |
| special | faenil: it's warmer in tampere than it is here :< | 00:45 |
| faenil | special, w00t?? (sorry robin) | 00:45 |
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| special | I do not understand the question. | 00:45 |
| faenil | special, what?? | 00:46 |
| special | ah | 00:46 |
| special | FI would be a nicer place than here, at the moment. | 00:46 |
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| faenil | special, yeah, I mean, how does it come? :O | 00:47 |
| w00t | w00t indeed. | 00:47 |
| faenil | eheh | 00:47 |
| faenil | it was -10 here 2 days ago | 00:47 |
| faenil | what happened in USA in the meanwhile? | 00:47 |
| special | it hasn't gone above 0 for almost a week here | 00:48 |
| faenil | ghh | 00:48 |
| lpotter | it better warm up there soon, otherwise there will be a few frozen australians | 00:48 |
| faenil | yea today it was -1 minimum, +3 maximum | 00:49 |
| faenil | snow was melting, there was a mess in the streets | 00:49 |
| faenil | lpotter, chill there as well? | 00:49 |
| lpotter | last time I went to the US, it was 35C when we left, and -17c in Denver when we arrived | 00:50 |
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| faenil | lpotter, holy fff | 00:50 |
| lpotter | or -17f... whichever it was | 00:50 |
| faenil | good night peopleeee o/ | 00:51 |
| special | night | 00:51 |
| * faenil is dead | 00:51 | |
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| MFaro-Tusino | goodnight faneil | 00:55 |
| MFaro-Tusino | *faenil | 00:55 |
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| jjaone | Gnite to all, you are doing amazing work, respect! | 01:04 |
| w00t | jjaone: night | 01:05 |
| jjaone | wOOt: :-) | 01:05 |
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| narchie | why does my gallery stay empty? | 06:15 |
| narchie | I've downloaded a few photos and took some with the camera | 06:15 |
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| narchie | yet they don't show up in gallery | 06:15 |
| MFaro-Tusino | narchie: Tried a reboot ? :p | 06:20 |
| tabasko | narchie: did you aso get jolla from dna? :) | 06:22 |
| tabasko | narchie: how about preordered one? | 06:23 |
| narchie | tabasko: yep. just send a mail to cancel my order | 06:27 |
| narchie | just sent | 06:27 |
| narchie | MFaro-Tusino: doesn't help | 06:27 |
| tabasko | narchie: same thing here. lets hope refund is easy | 06:27 |
| MFaro-Tusino | you'll need to fix the tracker then | 06:27 |
| tabasko | if somebody here is willing to buy unused jolla, i i will sell it with normal price plus post | 06:28 |
| narchie | what do you mean | 06:28 |
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| Kiranos | tabasko: Would be interesting to know what was your expectations when you bought the jolla phone and how did it let you down so that you know want to return it? | 07:22 |
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| smokex | I know why the gallery doesn't show photos | 07:24 |
| smokex | it doesn't recursively search folders within Photos for images | 07:24 |
| smokex | it only indexes .jpg files | 07:25 |
| smokex | adding a folder is amazingly hard | 07:25 |
| aupo | tbr: The contact vcf file I sent you, I managed to prove (likely) that it is indeed the Japanese Kanji that make Messaging, Phone and People apps crash. I changed the Kanji in the contacts.db to romaji and removed the contacts.db-* files => all apps start working and all my contacts are intact. | 07:25 |
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| smokex | and I'm pretty sure I'm the only person so far that has managed to add an extra folder to the gallery at all | 07:26 |
| smokex | Photos isn't included | 07:26 |
| Kiranos | smokex: symlink ftw :) | 07:27 |
| smokex | nano /usr/lib/oneshot.d/reindex-pictures | 07:29 |
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| smokex | Camera isn't included I mean | 07:30 |
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| Kiranos | smokex: nice find, hopefully there will be a public bugtracker soon | 07:33 |
| smokex | there are qml files for adding and removing folders from the gallery | 07:33 |
| smokex | just looks like its only 25% done | 07:34 |
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| chriadam | aupo: whoa, can you email me that vcf file? | 07:35 |
| chriadam | to chris.adams at jollamobile dot com please | 07:36 |
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| micko_ | where do my files go if I send by bluetooth or download with sailbox? I'm trying to transfer a photo to use in contacts, but I can't get the image into gallery | 07:43 |
| smokex | does the jolla support flash? | 07:45 |
| special | smokex: no | 07:46 |
| special | maybe android browsers would, I don't know. | 07:46 |
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| chriadam | Mirv: amccarthy might have some questions for you | 07:47 |
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| Mirv | chriadam: ok, happy to answer | 07:52 |
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| chriadam | Mirv: heh, he actually had to leave the office. but sometime soon I'm sure he'll have some questions (eg, he mentioned signal strength might be involved, switching between cells or something). anyway, thanks once again for your help and patience with this. | 07:53 |
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| Mirv | sure, no problem | 07:56 |
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| ZogG_laptop | faenil: i'm ready | 07:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | i free tonight | 07:59 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, good o/ | 07:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | after 22:00 my time | 07:59 |
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| ZogG_laptop | faenil: i'll ping you | 08:00 |
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| faenil | ZogG_laptop, what's the time there atm | 08:01 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | Ciao faenil o/ | 08:15 |
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| ShadowJK | flash is not available for android anymore | 08:17 |
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| faenil | MFaro-Tusino, o/ | 08:21 |
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| RoopeB | morning | 08:21 |
| RoopeB | Need some newbie help again: I just transferred few .apks to my Jolla's downloads forder (under nemo), how do I execute/install them? | 08:24 |
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| Kiranos | just browsse to the apk and hit it :) | 08:28 |
| Kiranos | RoopeB: | 08:28 |
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| RoopeB | Kiranos: can't see them anywhere. How do I browse them? | 08:31 |
| RoopeB | Kiranos: checked transfers already, but nothing there. | 08:32 |
| Kiranos | RoopeB: http://elinux.org/Jolla | 08:32 |
| Kiranos | follow that part under "Where do I put .apk files" | 08:32 |
| RoopeB | Kiranos: thanks! | 08:33 |
| Kiranos | should just be "download from web and choose install" | 08:33 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | less than 6h: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jolla-White-16GB-EU-Sailfish-OS-Mobile-Phone-/291032003687?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones&hash=item43c2dbf467 | 08:42 |
| AL13N_lizzy | 820£ => almost 1k | 08:42 |
| AL13N_lizzy | djeez | 08:42 |
| RoopeB | Kiranos: got it working :-) thanks | 08:42 |
| Kiranos | RoopeB: great np :) | 08:43 |
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| micko_ | is there a wiki or something one could report problems with android software on jolla | 08:46 |
| micko_ | like wine apps database | 08:46 |
| ggabriel | micko_: care@jolla.com? | 08:47 |
| ggabriel | nothing public yet afaik | 08:47 |
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| TheBootroo | Ohai ! | 08:51 |
| micko_ | ggabriel: public one would be nice | 08:52 |
| Kiranos | micko_: or use http://forum.jollausers.com/android-on-sailfish/ | 08:52 |
| ggabriel | micko_: jolla said they will do a bug tracker eventually, but no time yet | 08:52 |
| micko_ | Kiranos: ok | 08:52 |
| TheBootroo | i calculated that if jolla has to process all the 20k preorder this week, and put only 100 of their 250 people on it, it would make 40 orders / employee / day during this week | 08:52 |
| TheBootroo | can easily be done imho | 08:52 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo: lol | 08:52 |
| paju | Google lists Jolla as Maemo in account activity report | 08:53 |
| ggabriel | not sure why you think 20k | 08:53 |
| ggabriel | paju: does it surprise you that google has the wrong information? :-) | 08:53 |
| TheBootroo | so i hope seeing all order 'shipping' by friday, including mine | 08:53 |
| TheBootroo | ggabriel: i read this number many times | 08:53 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo: they said they'll deliver 20k devices in december | 08:53 |
| ggabriel | they didn't say that the 20k were for preorders | 08:53 |
| ggabriel | i estimate 10k for preorders | 08:54 |
| ggabriel | and the remainder for dna | 08:54 |
| Morpog_N9 | TheBootroo, tjey are 90+, not 250 | 08:54 |
| TheBootroo | Morpog_N9: wut ? last year i read in an article that they passed from 50+ to 250+ in first year of existence | 08:55 |
| Morpog_N9 | nope | 08:55 |
| Stskeeps | nop, 90+ | 08:55 |
| TheBootroo | ok wait | 08:57 |
| VDVsx__ | and some of them not even in Finland, if is from there the devices are coming :) | 08:57 |
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| TheBootroo | if 50 of the 90 people take part in packing, 20k would be done in 5 days at the rate of 80 device by day by person | 08:57 |
| TheBootroo | still doable | 08:58 |
| ggabriel | (not to mention that you don't expect evrey single employee to do packing/posting...) | 08:58 |
| TheBootroo | ggabriel: that's why i said "50 of the 90" | 08:58 |
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| Morpog_N9 | i prefer them working on the software | 08:59 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo: that seems like a big proportion to me, but i'm not a jolla employee, so i can't say | 08:59 |
| ggabriel | Morpog_N9: +1 | 08:59 |
| TheBootroo | Morpog_N9: they will be back on SW as soon as shipping issue is adressed | 09:00 |
| TheBootroo | and delays, collapsed | 09:00 |
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| TheBootroo | i can deal with a device in beta one more week, but i can't deal with one more week of shipment delay | 09:00 |
| TheBootroo | cause else, christmas will be over, and YES, that's important to me, i put all my money in my christmas gift, so i expect it for christmas | 09:01 |
| AL13N_lizzy | micko_: some of us (community) are contemplating a technical sailfish bug list | 09:02 |
| AL13N_lizzy | micko_: what kind of issue is it? | 09:03 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ah, android | 09:03 |
| AL13N_lizzy | micko_: there might be an alien dalvik buglist you can post to? | 09:03 |
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| Kiranos | TheBootroo: just take a cup of coffee, it will arrive in time :) | 09:07 |
| TheBootroo | Kiranos: already took too many coffee, i'm excited now | 09:07 |
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| Kiranos | if it doesnt arrive until christmas, give a voucher | 09:08 |
| Kiranos | or is it a christmas gift to yourself? | 09:08 |
| TheBootroo | Kiranos: to myself, long-awaited really needed as my current phone is dying each a little more | 09:08 |
| micko_ | AL13N_lizzy: nevermind about this bug :). now that I'm awake and I can rotate coordinates in my head again, there seems to be no bug. just the lack of gps | 09:09 |
| Tofe | moi | 09:09 |
| TheBootroo | and what worries me is that on the spreadsheet on Google doc, yet only order number with last 4 digits <1000 are 'in picking', and i'm > 2500 | 09:09 |
| ggabriel | micko_: on the jolla? | 09:09 |
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| TheBootroo | Tofe: hehe wut ? | 09:09 |
| micko_ | ggabriel: on an android software on jolla | 09:09 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo: fwiw, there is at least one case where the order is"paid", and the device is already in the person's hands | 09:10 |
| micko_ | sky map | 09:10 |
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| ggabriel | micko_: latest os? | 09:10 |
| Kiranos | TheBootroo: be sure they are doing everything in their power to satisfy pre-orders, they most likely cant do more than what they already are doing. We have to relax and they arrive when they arrive | 09:10 |
| TheBootroo | ggabriel: pics or it didn't happen ! | 09:10 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo: ask the guy..... | 09:10 |
| micko_ | it rotated the stars but everything was in wrong directions | 09:10 |
| TheBootroo | ggabriel: who ? | 09:10 |
| AL13N_lizzy | micko_: ah | 09:10 |
| Tofe | TheBootroo: 'moi' is 'hey', but yes, it looks weird for a french | 09:10 |
| ggabriel | micko_: interesting, i'd report it... gps is one of the things they fixed | 09:10 |
| micko_ | now I realized it only thought I was at the equator | 09:11 |
| AL13N_lizzy | micko_: i'm sure they will fix it in some next version | 09:11 |
| TheBootroo | Tofe: oh, ok XD | 09:11 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo: go to tmo, read the last pages of the tracking number thread, can't remember the name of the person | 09:11 |
| Acce | Has Jolla crew talked anything about opening an official bug tracker? | 09:11 |
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| micko_ | hmm... I'll look into it more when I get back home | 09:11 |
| ggabriel | Acce: yes, and they said "not yet" due to time constraints | 09:11 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Acce: marc had said something about no resources yet | 09:11 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | since sailfish is largely based mostly on open source, most of the problems can be put upstream though | 09:12 |
| TheBootroo | omfg, best post ever on TMO : "" MARC D said he was travelling during the last days. Maybe he is deliver phones. "" | 09:12 |
| TheBootroo | XDD | 09:12 |
| AL13N_lizzy | though alien dalvik not have access to GPS, could be an alien dalvik bug, but also a permission issue in sailfishOS | 09:12 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | can anyone find out if alien dalvik has some kind of bugtracker? | 09:13 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i should put a list on http://elinux.org/Jolla too | 09:14 |
| faenil | internal one afaik | 09:14 |
| AL13N_lizzy | alien dalvik? is not open source? | 09:14 |
| Stskeeps | 3rd party, not open source | 09:14 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | ah | 09:14 |
| AL13N_lizzy | crap | 09:14 |
| Acce | yeah, it's too bad, but it works | 09:14 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Stskeeps: do they have some kind of contact stuff, or do they expect only customers to communicate to them? | 09:15 |
| AL13N_lizzy | if so, then there is actually a need for a to-be-filed-to-alien-dalvik-bugtracker category on a community bugtracker :-) | 09:16 |
| AL13N_lizzy | hoping someone from Jolla can pass it on | 09:16 |
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| Stskeeps | it'll be passed on | 09:16 |
| TheBootroo | according to someone on TMO, In Picking means that packagehas already been processed and now waiting for post service to pick it up | 09:16 |
| AL13N_lizzy | or cheat and write a script that mails each such bug directly :-) | 09:16 |
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| phlixi | where as usually "picking" is the process where some one goes to the store nd PICKs several items together wich are then sent as one package | 09:23 |
| phlixi | ...picking the items from the store into the package... | 09:24 |
| ggabriel | cybette clearly stated that "in picking" was that they were making fun of the phones | 09:25 |
| ggabriel | so stop trying to read between the lies | 09:25 |
| ggabriel | lines even | 09:25 |
| ggabriel | "in picking" is a bunch of jolla employees laughing at the device for a while before they ship it | 09:25 |
| phlixi | i am not trying to read between the lines, i just said what that usually means | 09:25 |
| ggabriel | (and I am joking :-) ) | 09:26 |
| phlixi | and i am aware that at jolla this seems to be something different.. as i ordered only one phone, and not a phone, a lawn mower and a book or whatever that needs to be "picked together" ;-) | 09:27 |
| ggabriel | phlixi: i joke because this conversation seems to happen 2-3 times a day | 09:27 |
| ggabriel | nobody "knows" officially what "in picking" exactly means | 09:27 |
| ggabriel | but just take the hint that they do this in batches | 09:27 |
| phlixi | thats what i said what picking is^^ | 09:28 |
| ggabriel | so it isn't like one person is dedicated to one order | 09:28 |
| phlixi | thats why* | 09:28 |
| ggabriel | :) | 09:28 |
| phlixi | however, i preordered (from and to germany) on the first day possible (first wave of course...) and paid within ~30minutes after i was allowed to... | 09:29 |
| phlixi | ...and it still says "paid" (since more than 2 weeks now ;( ) | 09:29 |
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| ggabriel | TheBootroo: the total amount of orders in the spreadsheet doubled since yesterday | 09:30 |
| ggabriel | and the %age varied 5% | 09:30 |
| ggabriel | so my original deviation estimation wasn't too bad | 09:30 |
| phlixi | ggabriel: i know that 90% of the channel content is whining aobut the (non) Delivery... for this reason i will now stop^^ | 09:30 |
| ggabriel | phlixi: i totally sympathise | 09:30 |
| TheBootroo | ggabriel: as you can see by yourself, only order numb < 1000 have been processed so fat | 09:31 |
| TheBootroo | *far | 09:31 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo: yeah, that's cool | 09:31 |
| TheBootroo | ggabriel: no, that's not | 09:31 |
| ggabriel | so maybe in the next couple of days they'll do <2000 | 09:31 |
| ggabriel | yes, progress is cool | 09:31 |
| ggabriel | stagnation isn't | 09:31 |
| ggabriel | progress means that they'll eventually get to everybody's orders | 09:31 |
| ggabriel | stagnation means that they'll sell the division to m$ or worse... ;) | 09:32 |
| phlixi | oh, wow, i checked (a minute ago) and now it says "in picking" for my order tooo (yesterday evening, when i checked last, it was still "paid") | 09:33 |
| * TheBootroo checks his order.... | 09:34 | |
| ggabriel | phlixi: woooho | 09:34 |
| faenil | phlixi, :) | 09:34 |
| * TheBootroo 's order still bloody "Paid" | 09:34 | |
| TheBootroo | phlixi: which order number do you have ? | 09:34 |
| phlixi | since i know that half of the whining includes guessing about the different numbers, mine is 20000086x | 09:34 |
| TheBootroo | still <1000 | 09:35 |
| Azog | mine is "in picking", too, (< 500) | 09:35 |
| Azog | nice | 09:35 |
| TheBootroo | if they take one week to process <1000, then another one to process <2000, mine will be processed in two weeks and i'll get it for Easter | 09:36 |
| ggabriel | Azog: yes! | 09:36 |
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| RoopeB | Are you guys able to edit your contacts direct from phone, edit phone numbers, delete them... ? | 09:39 |
| smokex | yes RoopeB | 09:40 |
| Dotti | RoopeB: yes | 09:40 |
| RoopeB | for some reason, I'm not able to. | 09:40 |
| RoopeB | Have to check where's the problem | 09:41 |
| hene- | realted to that, is it really true that you cant set picture for contact? | 09:44 |
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| RoopeB | Ah, my phone uses my google contacts. It has no actual contacts in it self. Have to figure out how to sync / transfer my google contacts to my Jolla. | 09:52 |
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| RoopeB | Disabled my google account from settings and my contacts disappeared. | 09:52 |
| Wnt | RoopeB: maybe there is a way to export all contacts to a vcf file while the account is enabled | 09:56 |
| tachikoma | i'm feeling with you TheBootroo ;) | 09:56 |
| Wnt | then disable it and open the vcf file to import all contacts | 09:56 |
| TheBootroo | tachikoma: hehe you too with number > 2000 | 09:56 |
| tachikoma | yes | 09:56 |
| Wnt | or maybe that contacts -> vcf file can be done in Google's contact manager site | 09:56 |
| tachikoma | some 100 above you | 09:57 |
| tachikoma | 2616 | 09:57 |
| RoopeB | Wnt, Yep I'll try that. Thanks :) | 09:57 |
| tachikoma | the only positive thing is that once i get it - the shop will not be empty and updates will be released | 09:57 |
| TheBootroo | tachikoma: heeh | 09:58 |
| TheBootroo | tachikoma: processing of our orders seems so far away, as not even 1xxx have been processed atm, so 2xxx .... :-( | 09:59 |
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| hene- | RoopeB: I sent contact (vcf files) to email and opened that email on my jolla phone | 10:04 |
| hene- | it adds contacts | 10:04 |
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| RoopeB | hene-: thanks! I'll try to the same. | 10:04 |
| Venemo | morning | 10:04 |
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| ggabriel | hene-: one by one? or does it do a bunch of them? | 10:04 |
| hene- | one by one | 10:04 |
| hene- | :( | 10:04 |
| ggabriel | gaa | 10:05 |
| tachikoma | TheBootroo: I'm not that much concerned, i reflashed my n900 and use the time to configure the heck out of it so it will be stored in a good software condition | 10:05 |
| hene- | did not figure out how to open as a bunch | 10:05 |
| TheBootroo | hene-: just concatenate all vcf in one | 10:06 |
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| TheBootroo | hene-: and then import it | 10:06 |
| hene- | how? | 10:06 |
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| TheBootroo | on linux : cat *.vcf > contacts.vcf | 10:06 |
| TheBootroo | on windows i don't know | 10:06 |
| hene- | ok. I have already imported those, but RoopeB and ggabriel | 10:07 |
| hene- | take a hint :) | 10:07 |
| RoopeB | hene-: I have my contacts on my google accout and it was possible to export them all to one file. | 10:07 |
| Tofe | TheBootroo: isn't there a little trick with adding an endline after each vcf content ? | 10:07 |
| hene- | RoopeB, oh, nice | 10:07 |
| TheBootroo | Tofe: i don't beleive | 10:08 |
| hene- | but is it really that you cant add picture for contact in Jolla? | 10:08 |
| cybette | hene-: you should be able to | 10:08 |
| TheBootroo | cybette: hello :-) | 10:09 |
| hene- | where? did not found picture "field" | 10:09 |
| Tofe | hene-: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRZxM9rNyZ4 0:23-0:24 | 10:09 |
| cybette | hene-: touch the avatar and select from gallery. depending if the contact is linked to google and facebook it'll display avatars from those networks too | 10:09 |
| TheBootroo | hene-: just tap/long press image ? | 10:09 |
| Tofe | or maybe Marc is hardcoded ^^ | 10:09 |
| cybette | TheBootroo: hi :) | 10:09 |
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| ggabriel | oh, so it does accept multiple contacts in one vcf | 10:10 |
| ggabriel | i read somewhere that it didn't | 10:10 |
| TheBootroo | cybette: do you have any way to know which is the highest order number actually processed atm ? cause many people say webshop information is out-of-date | 10:10 |
| ggabriel | i'll try, of course | 10:10 |
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| ggabriel | if/when i get the device ;) | 10:10 |
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| tachikoma | cybette: just wanna know - is the info that if paid before dec 02 the phone will be delivered before christmas still true? | 10:11 |
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| tachikoma | it's ok, i just wanna know | 10:11 |
| ggabriel | cybette just went and hid under a desk | 10:12 |
| cybette | still here :) too many windows | 10:12 |
| tachikoma | it should not be so hard to just give a status | 10:12 |
| * ggabriel whistles | 10:12 | |
| cybette | TheBootroo: i don't have access to that system, but it seems like webshop status is not the most up-to-date | 10:12 |
| cybette | tachikoma: christmas for finland, december for EU | 10:13 |
| tachikoma | and I'm just curios, i can imagine that with such a small company stuff might not work out as expected, which is fine, just being open and transparent about that would be nice | 10:13 |
| tachikoma | ok, thanks :) | 10:13 |
| TheBootroo | cybette: as i said before, what really worries me is that all people reporting update are all <1000, and i'm >2500, so it makes me think i'll have to wait a long time more.... | 10:13 |
| cybette | tachikoma: thanks for patience :) we are sorting through the mess ourselves, including the communications mess | 10:14 |
| cybette | TheBootroo: i understand your worry. i don't even have a webshop invite for one of my own orders :-/ | 10:14 |
| smokex | I'm a bit disappointed actually | 10:15 |
| ggabriel | i can understand tachikoma | 10:15 |
| smokex | this is supposed to be beta quality but looking under the hood it seems to be more early alpha | 10:15 |
| ggabriel | him/her being an AI | 10:15 |
| ggabriel | time goes slower ;) | 10:15 |
| cybette | TheBootroo: but i know my co-workers who are in the field making sure the packages are being moved as fast as possible | 10:16 |
| tachikoma | cybette: i waited 4 years for a worthy replacement of my beloved n900, i can wait a few more days. I'm mostly interested as i might go away for some days over christmas and reallt don;t want that phone be sent back as nobody was at home wehn delivered | 10:16 |
| TheBootroo | cybette: but is the process on each package really that long ? or is the company that handles shipping too slow to pick them when they are ready ? | 10:16 |
| tachikoma | ggabriel: hehe :) | 10:17 |
| tachikoma | i wonder if enough phones have already been produced ;) | 10:17 |
| smokex | DNA is slow as hell | 10:17 |
| cybette | tachikoma: are you the one who asked about that on twitter? | 10:17 |
| TheBootroo | cybette: if i remember correclty , someone from Jolla saif pĥone come from factory already flashed, so only handling is what ? put in box, stamp, and store somewhere for Fedex/UPS/DHL to pick them ? | 10:18 |
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| Kiranos | [10:10:26] <Kiranos> TheBootroo: be sure they are doing everything in their power to satisfy pre-orders, they most likely cant do more than what they already are doing. We have to relax and they arrive when they arrive | 10:18 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo: you make it sound so easy | 10:18 |
| Kiranos | :) | 10:18 |
| tachikoma | cybette: no, I'm having my twitter account only for idling, a habit i picked up on irc some hnudred years ago ;) | 10:18 |
| tachikoma | i could built you a robot that does the packaging ;) | 10:19 |
| TheBootroo | ggabriel: actually, i can't see which part of the process is hard/long | 10:19 |
| cybette | TheBootroo: the problems involved also transferring data from our system to the shipping side, not just the packing flashing etc. | 10:19 |
| TheBootroo | cybette: oh, so more technical issue than logistical ones ? | 10:19 |
| tachikoma | i think the problems are all those small things nobody has expected or foreseen that now interfere with a smooth process... | 10:20 |
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| tachikoma | like - what - I can't send it in this format to that company? | 10:20 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo: seriously? have you ever repeated the same "simple" task hundreds of times? if so, you may have found that a %age of those times it went wrong | 10:20 |
| ggabriel | so you had to add checks to the process | 10:20 |
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| ggabriel | probably 2 or 3 checks | 10:20 |
| cybette | tachikoma: yeah so there are others with your same concern. let's hope you get it in time before you travel! | 10:20 |
| ggabriel | anyway, i won't comment | 10:21 |
| * ggabriel shuts up | 10:21 | |
| tachikoma | cybette: well, I actually make my travel plan dependent on the phones arrival | 10:21 |
| tachikoma | currently i have all travel plans on hold as i have no idea when it might arrive | 10:21 |
| cybette | tachikoma: for that you deserve a *HUG* | 10:21 |
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| * TheBootroo is jealous | 10:21 | |
| hene- | :) | 10:21 |
| cybette | TheBootroo: we are dealing with multiple issues yes | 10:22 |
| tachikoma | i'm slightly planning for january, but nit very sure. Thats why I really would be happy if you tell me something like "well, something fucked up and we only can ship it to you in mid january" as the I'd leave at christmas | 10:22 |
| cybette | welll ok.... | 10:22 |
| * cybette hugs TheBootroo | 10:22 | |
| TheBootroo | i'm traveling from 21th dec 2013 to 8th Jan 2014 | 10:22 |
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| MMori | cybette: beware, you'll soon be hugging people the whole day :P | 10:23 |
| cybette | MMori: i don't mind, hugs are great. therapeutic even | 10:23 |
| narchie | jolla | 10:23 |
| narchie | jolla | 10:23 |
| MMori | cybette: great! :) Then it's all good | 10:24 |
| TheBootroo | really want my phone before i travel, because long tens of hours in train will be sooo long without my new toy to play... and i i only get it when back from holidays, well i won't have many time to play with it, and overall, i will not have it in decemver 2013... | 10:24 |
| TheBootroo | narchie: weren't you going to buy one at DNA ? | 10:24 |
| narchie | I did | 10:24 |
| narchie | just got a working micro sim as well | 10:25 |
| TheBootroo | narchie: ohhh so you have it now ? | 10:25 |
| narchie | yes :) | 10:25 |
| TheBootroo | ohhhhhh | 10:25 |
| TheBootroo | So bad i can't go to finland | 10:25 |
| MMori | TheBootroo: take a weekend trip? | 10:25 |
| * Tofe slips under the table | 10:25 | |
| tachikoma | i mean - just put this into perspective, when will you ever get a hug from google or apple community managers ;) | 10:25 |
| TheBootroo | MMori: i don't have money anymore | 10:25 |
| tachikoma | jolla did what had to be done | 10:25 |
| cybette | TheBootroo: if you come to finland, i'll deliver the hug in person :) | 10:26 |
| TheBootroo | cybette: and the phone ? | 10:26 |
| TheBootroo | XD | 10:26 |
| MMori | tachikoma: That's absolutely so true. | 10:26 |
| cybette | TheBootroo: that you can buy from DNA yourself ;) | 10:26 |
| ggabriel | tachikoma: i feel like google and friends are trying to hug me all the time, like the octopus that the US put in their latest surveillance sat | 10:26 |
| MMori | Aww, cybette is so kind! | 10:26 |
| tbr | ggabriel: boa constrictor? | 10:27 |
| tachikoma | ggabriel: yeah - ok, that kind of hug ... | 10:27 |
| Tofe | cybette: I arrive on Sunday! | 10:27 |
| ggabriel | tbr: no, it's a kind of logo they put, it's an octopus | 10:27 |
| ggabriel | cybette: you can get a hug from me too, although i'm not too concerned about the phone, i like expecting things | 10:27 |
| TheBootroo | Tofe: are you really going over there ? | 10:28 |
| narchie | normally I would have waited patiently too | 10:28 |
| narchie | but alas | 10:28 |
| narchie | my E7 microusb socket broke | 10:28 |
| Tofe | TheBootroo: yes yes | 10:28 |
| cybette | Tofe: cool! for how long? | 10:28 |
| narchie | now last week, the same happened to my N900 | 10:28 |
| Tofe | cybette: two weeks | 10:28 |
| cybette | ggabriel: sure, where you at? | 10:28 |
| narchie | so I had no options | 10:28 |
| tachikoma | well, i did a little trick, realizing that the phone might take some time - i got a 256gb ssd for my 7 year old laptop to keep me distracted with setting it up from scratch ;) | 10:28 |
| narchie | I don't even have a working backup phone anymore | 10:28 |
| Tofe | btw, what about a beer with some sailors in Helsinki ? Too complicated to organize ? | 10:28 |
| ggabriel | cybette: UK, so next time i'm in .fi, otherwise digital hug :-) | 10:28 |
| TheBootroo | narchie: i can wait if i know exactly how long i have to wait, not when i wait and wait and don't see anything coming | 10:28 |
| ggabriel | narchie: you forgot to add "also, it was shiny" :-) | 10:29 |
| cybette | ggabriel: london area? i need to go back again soon. was there couple weeks ago and my london friends were mad at me because i didn't have time to meet up with them | 10:29 |
| hene- | sorry for interrupting but how to add picture to contact? no facebook | 10:30 |
| hene- | :) | 10:30 |
| cybette | Tofe: we can arrange something | 10:30 |
| ggabriel | cybette: aye, london, hard to meet with people, you have to plan with months in advance | 10:30 |
| sdjayna | hene-: add the contact, go to people, select the contact, and at the top you should see a picture box with a + sign | 10:30 |
| ggabriel | cybette: even with my friends who live in london :-) | 10:30 |
| tachikoma | so, in about two hours my ssd arrives, then i might be idle for some time ;) | 10:30 |
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| cybette | ggabriel: indeed. finnish cities are so much easier :P | 10:31 |
| MMori | I think it's time for me to go to the local post office and get my hands on my Jolla <3 | 10:31 |
| ggabriel | tachikoma: i'm jelous... i'll have a brand new can opener soon. i think i'll get bored of it in 2 minutes | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | MMori: good luck, and let us know of first impressions! | 10:31 |
| ggabriel | MMori: woohoo | 10:31 |
| tachikoma | ggabriel: lol | 10:31 |
| cybette | MMori: congrats! | 10:31 |
| tachikoma | it's my very first ssd | 10:31 |
| MMori | Stskeeps: I shall! :) | 10:31 |
| hene- | sdjayna: thanks! I was trying to search it from "edit contact" | 10:32 |
| ln- | is it intended behaviour that downloading an ambience for a TOH is only suggested when TOH is attached while the phone is on? | 10:32 |
| ggabriel | ln-: i believe so. TOH has an ID that enables content | 10:32 |
| MMori | cybette: Thanks :) | 10:32 |
| ggabriel | others can correct me if i'm wrong | 10:32 |
| ln- | ggabriel: but if you take a brand new phone, insert a sim and battery, attach TOH, and then power it up, you'll never be offered the ambience download? | 10:33 |
| ln- | (unless you remove and reattach TOH) | 10:33 |
| TheBootroo | MMori: you too ! | 10:33 |
| tachikoma | i think hacking around the other half is actually what currently intrigues me most | 10:33 |
| Tofe | cybette: oh, that would be nice indeed; I'll be not that long in Helsinki, as I will go to Turku maybe on Tuesday, but if we can manage something that'd be great :) | 10:34 |
| TheBootroo | MMori: lucky one | 10:34 |
| cybette | ln-: yes, as designed, or else when you have the TOH on it will constantly ping you to download | 10:34 |
| ggabriel | ln-: out of my depth there i'm afraid | 10:34 |
| tachikoma | in january i will have my first attempts on a 3d printer :) | 10:34 |
| MMori | TheBootroo: yes, I'm lucky. I hope you'll get yours too soon! | 10:34 |
| TheBootroo | :-| | 10:34 |
| MMori | not too soon but soon too | 10:34 |
| TheBootroo | (-_-) | 10:34 |
| cybette | ln-: so it only checks when you attach it while phone is on | 10:34 |
| tachikoma | I'll first try building a TOH with solarpanel and battery, so that the battery gets charged wghenever it lays in the sun | 10:35 |
| tachikoma | sound easy enough | 10:35 |
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| TheBootroo | tachikoma: quite dangerous, sun warm will damage battery/phone components | 10:35 |
| cybette | Tofe: i'm based in tampere, can travel to either city. we have couple sailors in turku as well | 10:35 |
| ln- | cybette: is there a reason why it couldn't perform one check during bootup? | 10:36 |
| tachikoma | TheBootroo: well, i have two such external battery/solar comobinations and that never was a big issue | 10:36 |
| tachikoma | basically i just want to have such a thing in the shape of oth in order to easily connect it | 10:36 |
| Tofe | cybette: oh, even easier then. Almost everything became a pub in Turku these last years :) | 10:37 |
| tachikoma | and to try out 3d printing with something that actually makes some kind of sense | 10:37 |
| cybette | ln-: that i'm not sure, maybe some more knowledgeable sailors in here can answer | 10:37 |
| cybette | Tofe: oh yes, bank, pharmacy, toilet.. | 10:37 |
| ln- | ok, thanks | 10:37 |
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| Tofe | cybette: school too... | 10:38 |
| cybette | ah yes | 10:38 |
| sledges | fk_lx: read up yesterdays chat: why not use https://bugs.nemomobile.org ? | 10:38 |
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| tachikoma | and then tachikoma started reading bugreports ... | 10:39 |
| fk_lx | sledges: well in my opinion we should decide on some solution and stick to it | 10:39 |
| Tofe | well well. I'll see what I can propose, the last thing I want is to delay you in your Holy Tasks with choosing a place | 10:39 |
| cybette | Tofe: or come to tampere on wednesday, my orchestra is playing a christmas concert http://taso.fi/index.php/en/ | 10:39 |
| sdjayna | ln-: i can confirm there is an open bug for that ;) | 10:40 |
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| TheBootroo | according to spreadsheet, ~800 orders have been processed | 10:40 |
| cybette | sdjayna: good to know :) | 10:40 |
| TheBootroo | still far from the 4k | 10:40 |
| tachikoma | never point me to bugzillas ... | 10:40 |
| ln- | sdjayna: ok, good to know :) | 10:40 |
| sledges | fk_lx: that's the closest solution you can get: mer/nemo infra is hosted by mer community, you can't change closed sailfish bits, jolla is relies on community to do the sailfish/nemo porting on other devices so | 10:40 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo: cybette said that the webdshop status may be outdated a little bit :-) | 10:40 |
| tachikoma | i have to read the bugs then | 10:40 |
| sledges | whatever you change in sailfish in order to work on e.g. n9, you will see you are ending up changing nemo-mw (open) or n9 hardware adaptation (also stored in nemo) | 10:41 |
| TheBootroo | ggabriel: then it's not 'a little bit' but "a huge bit" if you go from ~800 to ~4000 | 10:41 |
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| sledges | tachikoma: most of bugs are irrelevant (old). read only wayland/qt5 ones: https://bugs.nemomobile.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&version=wayland%2Fqt5 | 10:44 |
| sledges | in nemo we have just restarted using bugzilla, because until now we were busy with planning/implementing the new components set | 10:45 |
| tachikoma | sledges: i work in qa and i have this habbit of reading bugs not for the content but for the way people work. Bugzillas give a great insight in the product quality based on the way people work | 10:45 |
| sledges | tachikoma: ever worked in a wild and free opensource community's project as QA? ;) | 10:46 |
| sledges | iekku has ;) | 10:46 |
| tachikoma | sledges: yeah, exactly that is the reason i read bugzillas, they give a good overview | 10:46 |
| ggabriel | some bugs can make me a sad panda | 10:46 |
| Tofe | cybette: not sure for Tampere, I'll discuss with my wife tonight, and keep in touch :) | 10:46 |
| DeeGee | so, where do the android programs store their settings? For some reason amazon store turned it's language into japanese for me... | 10:47 |
| sledges | most people that commented on old bugs are not in the project anymore :) | 10:47 |
| cybette | sledges: "wild and free" lol. but true | 10:47 |
| cybette | Tofe: please do! | 10:47 |
| sledges | cybette: yep, i like the sound of it roarr :)) | 10:47 |
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| hene- | anyone else had problems with headphones? when I plug it in I can hear loud clacking noise | 10:47 |
| tachikoma | sledges: i work at suse ;) | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | tachikoma: you should be happy with libzypp then :P | 10:48 |
| cybette | hene-: what headphones do you have | 10:48 |
| hene- | n9 handsfree | 10:49 |
| tachikoma | Stskeeps: i am as happy with dpkg as with libzypp or else - if it does waht it was designed for and it was well designed - I'll take it | 10:49 |
| ggabriel | hene-: those won't' work | 10:49 |
| hene- | oh? :C | 10:49 |
| ggabriel | hene-: you need an adaptor or headphones that work for ios/android | 10:49 |
| hene- | shiet | 10:49 |
| hene- | has to go for shopping then | 10:49 |
| ggabriel | hene-: if you love those headphones, adaptors are not really expensive | 10:49 |
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| ggabriel | hene-: i can recommend one (if it's still in amazon) | 10:50 |
| ggabriel | hene-: i use it to make ios/android ones work in the n9 :) | 10:50 |
| hene- | nääh, I just buy new ones | 10:50 |
| ggabriel | hene-: yeah, get new ones, it's always nice to get new things | 10:50 |
| hene- | yep :) | 10:50 |
| ggabriel | cybette: sorry i jumped the gun, thought i'd save some time ;) | 10:51 |
| sledges | tachikoma: kudos to suse, lots of things were well designed, no wonder nokia took some infra (think OBS, zypp et al.) to produce n9 | 10:51 |
| cybette | hene-: it's the whole ahj and omtp thing, i learnt it hard way myself | 10:51 |
| sledges | tachikoma: ;) https://twitter.com/sledgeSim/status/298188370599886848 | 10:51 |
| cybette | ggabriel: no worries, thanks for jumping in :) | 10:51 |
| tachikoma | sledges: we do what we can. But a lot of stuff improved internally in last years and i think it reflects in the products | 10:51 |
| hene- | cybette, okey :) | 10:52 |
| tachikoma | sledges: :) | 10:52 |
| ggabriel | cybette: i also learnt the hard way (gf gave me headphones that didn't work, so was utterly depressed). fixed it with 5 usd | 10:52 |
| hene- | btw. anyone else had problems with emails which has attachemtns? | 10:52 |
| hene- | I get email with attachment in it my phone shows totally empty email - no text, nothing | 10:52 |
| tachikoma | ggabriel: for android special headphones are needed? | 10:52 |
| ggabriel | tachikoma: no, i mean the ones that come with a microphone | 10:52 |
| ggabriel | basically, the 3.5mm jack has 2 standards | 10:53 |
| ggabriel | the nokia one and the rest-of-world one | 10:53 |
| cybette | sledges: i remember that pic! | 10:53 |
| ggabriel | and there is an adaptor that converts it | 10:53 |
| tachikoma | ggabriel: ah, those headsets with 3,5 connector | 10:53 |
| tachikoma | i see | 10:53 |
| sledges | cybette: good (old times) :) coming to fosdem soon? | 10:53 |
| cybette | sledges: not sure yet, might have other plans right around that time :-/ | 10:55 |
| * Stskeeps is going to fosdem, maybe will have a talk, maybe not | 10:55 | |
| sledges | the 14th ;D | 10:55 |
| cybette | about headphones, the nokia standard was actually the one everyone used until apple came along and come up with the new stanrdard | 10:55 |
| sledges | Stskeeps: \yay/ | 10:55 |
| hene- | haha! just heard that I was "mentioned" in local news paper :) they did interview of DNA store seller. Seller told that they had one pre-orderer and couple "normal buyer" :) | 10:55 |
| ggabriel | re headphones, yes, that's why i loathe appple and friends | 10:56 |
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| ggabriel | (especially since it's just swapping a contact grrr) | 10:56 |
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| DeeGee | So, is there a way to reset android program settings like on actual android? Reinstalling a program just brings back old settings. | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | DeeGee: how do you do that in android? | 10:56 |
| cybette | ggabriel: exactly. "we need to be special" | 10:57 |
| Dima^ | Stskeeps: removing all app's data in app manager | 10:57 |
| cybette | hene-: you're a celebrity now! | 10:57 |
| tachikoma | Stskeeps: reflash the whol system - thats what i do | 10:57 |
| hene- | cybette: yes indeed, hah :) | 10:57 |
| tachikoma | but i only have on ainol 7'' tablet | 10:57 |
| DeeGee | Stskeeps: There is the settings -> apps or something like that where you can reset each installed apps settings/files. | 10:58 |
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| Dima^ | you can flush cachesh individually etc | 10:58 |
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| Stskeeps | DeeGee: filed an idea about this | 11:00 |
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| DeeGee | My amazon app store set it's language to japanese when I logged in with my account... At first it was on english. I found it's settings menu even in japanese, but there doesn't seem to be language setting... | 11:00 |
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| * TheBootroo feeling really depressed about seeing everyone-but-him with updates | 11:09 | |
| TheBootroo | :-((( | 11:09 |
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| tobiski | TheBootroo: right there with ya | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | no update for me yet too | 11:10 |
| sledges | no update here too, and i was one of the first ones | 11:10 |
| TheBootroo | Stskeeps: you can see what is happening, we can't | 11:10 |
| TheBootroo | sledges: which ID ? | 11:10 |
| sledges | give startup some slack ;) i can understand them, so not complaining | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | TheBootroo: no, i can't | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:11 |
| TheBootroo | Stskeeps: you could if you really wanted to | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | i'm in another country than where the devices are :P | 11:11 |
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| TheBootroo | you could go, see Marc or anyone else and go "Hey, duh, wazup with mah order ?" | 11:12 |
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| Stskeeps | i like it here in my home office. it's warm. | 11:13 |
| tobiski | it starts to be warm in finland too, +3 degree celcius and half of the snow is gone | 11:13 |
| ggabriel | ^ and you can make yourself some pop corn | 11:13 |
| Dima^ | cop porn | 11:14 |
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| TheBootroo | Dima^: XDDDD | 11:14 |
| TheBootroo | i'm curious to know how many people actually work on ship process | 11:16 |
| hene- | :D | 11:16 |
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| ggabriel | TheBootroo: that probably won't help | 11:17 |
| ggabriel | because whatever number you hear, you'll want more | 11:17 |
| ggabriel | and sometimes you can't make 1 human baby with 9 women in 1 month | 11:17 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: speak for your own office | 11:18 |
| * w00t shivers | 11:18 | |
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| TheBootroo | ggabriel: actually, the only number i really care about is the date/hour of my delivery | 11:18 |
| ggabriel | w00t: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brHqBcZqNzE | 11:18 |
| TheBootroo | all the rest is boring waiting stuff and anger | 11:18 |
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| ggabriel | w00t: i haven't tried it, but if i were cold, i surely would ;-) | 11:19 |
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| micko_ | anyone else have problems with camera's white balance? | 11:24 |
| * TheBootroo goes to lunch and as usual, firmly expects the sooo much awaited email while eating | 11:24 | |
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| tomyri | micko_: if you mean reddish pictures then yes | 11:26 |
| chem|st | TheBootroo: are you in picking yet? | 11:26 |
| micko_ | here's a photo with automatic white balance http://www.flickr.com/photos/96700120@N06/11337249476/ and here's with "loisteputkilamppu" (fluorescent lamp?) http://www.flickr.com/photos/96700120@N06/11337174935/ | 11:26 |
| micko_ | tomyri: not reddish. blue | 11:27 |
| micko_ | btw androids flickr client seems to be working quite nicely | 11:27 |
| ggabriel | micko_: wow, massive difference | 11:27 |
| tomyri | micko_: ok, with light bulb auto gives me very red images | 11:28 |
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| ggabriel | micko_: i'd say send that evidence to care@jolla.com | 11:30 |
| micko_ | outside in normal finnish winter weather it seems to be working ok http://www.flickr.com/photos/96700120@N06/11337335244/ | 11:30 |
| micko_ | so I'd think it's some kind of problem with fluorescent lamp and flash led | 11:30 |
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| micko_ | but yeah... I'll send to jolla. this is quite annoying feature | 11:31 |
| micko_ | ...to care@jolla.com... | 11:32 |
| ggabriel | hopefully just software | 11:32 |
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| Tujutzki | micko: I´ve had same results with my photos | 11:36 |
| Milo- | I accidentelly changed the camera app's shutter position to left side, and I've no idea how that dialog originally appeared. | 11:38 |
| hene- | I just sent email about email attachments problem :( | 11:38 |
| Milo- | nvm. accidentally figured that out. | 11:38 |
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| Milo- | and now the camera app crashed :) | 11:40 |
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| RoopeB | How do I install .rpm file? "xdg-open `pwd`/${app}.rpm" did not work. | 12:01 |
| Tofe | pkcon install file.rpm ? | 12:01 |
| VDVsx__ | hene-, what's the problem with email attachments ? | 12:02 |
| zutto | shouldnt just 'rpm -i file.rpm' work? | 12:02 |
| MFaro-Tusino | zutto: it does >.< | 12:03 |
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| RoopeB | Thanks zutto! | 12:03 |
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| hene- | VDVsx__: I noticed that if attachment is over ~20kt then Jolla shows whole email as empty = no text in email body field, no attachment(s) - just blank email | 12:04 |
| hene- | so basically every email which has attachment is blank | 12:04 |
| cybette | RoopeB: pkcon install-local file.rpm | 12:05 |
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| VDVsx__ | hene-, humm, works fine for me, why you want the attachment to show inside the email body ? is that a inline image ? | 12:05 |
| hene- | VDVsx__: no I dont want to see attachment inside email body :) I meant, that if email has text in body AND attachment - then the whole email is empty | 12:05 |
| hene- | no text, no attachments | 12:06 |
| VDVsx__ | hene-, can you send such emails ? if you could send one to vdvtest100@gmail.com would be appreciated | 12:07 |
| hene- | OR if email has just attachment that is over ~20kt cant see that attachment also | 12:07 |
| hene- | I can forward one from the Jolla? | 12:07 |
| hene- | if that is what you mean | 12:07 |
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| VDVsx__ | hene-, yes, might work | 12:08 |
| hene- | what, it does not allow Send | 12:09 |
| hene- | ah, now | 12:09 |
| hene- | should be on your @box | 12:09 |
| VDVsx__ | hene-, can you create such emails ie send directly from the web/outlook ? if I understood correctly is just an email with one attachment bigger than 20kb ? | 12:11 |
| hene- | yes? | 12:13 |
| hene- | but dont understand | 12:13 |
| smokex | Qt 5.2 is out | 12:13 |
| MFaro-Tusino | cybette: Why do you reccommend pkcon over rpm? | 12:14 |
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| TheBootroo | chem|st: nope :-((( | 12:15 |
| AL13N_lizzy | faenil: WDYT? http://elinux.org/Jolla#I_have_an_issue.2Fidea.2Fproblem_aka_Where_to_get_help | 12:15 |
| hene- | VDVsx__, the email which I forwarded was originally sent from web | 12:15 |
| AL13N_lizzy | is this a good structure on how to get help or how to help others get help? | 12:15 |
| faenil | AL13N_lizzy, yeah, maybe but jolla apps higher in the list, as that's a more common case | 12:16 |
| VDVsx__ | hene-, replied to that email with an attachment, please let me know how the email looks like | 12:16 |
| faenil | than nemo/mer bugs | 12:17 |
| hene- | VDVsx__: empyt email | 12:17 |
| Tofe | smokex: oh, great, qml singletons are entering the arena | 12:17 |
| w00t | MFaro-Tusino: rpm can't do remote fetching and isn't how package manaagement works for updates/store management, so it's closer to the "real thing" | 12:17 |
| hene- | let me take a screenshot | 12:17 |
| VDVsx__ | hene-, are you opening from the notifications or from the email list ? | 12:17 |
| hene- | VDVsx__: from the email list | 12:17 |
| AL13N_lizzy | faenil: like this? | 12:18 |
| AL13N_lizzy | faenil: or more higher? | 12:18 |
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| hene- | argh, how to take screenshot with that screenshot app. damn | 12:18 |
| AL13N_lizzy | faenil: if we create a bugtracker, then we can make a flowchar image out of this and spread via #twitter | 12:18 |
| MFaro-Tusino | w00t: thanks for that. I used pkcon initially to get zypper when it wasn't installed, so I assumed it was the main method the OS used | 12:18 |
| VDVsx__ | hene-, strange works just fine here, is that IMAP, POP or exchange account ? | 12:18 |
| faenil | AL13N_lizzy, I still see it number10 | 12:18 |
| hene- | VDVsx__: POP | 12:18 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | ah, you meant jolla apps, not regular apps | 12:19 |
| VDVsx__ | hene-, gonna try with pop then | 12:19 |
| AL13N_lizzy | faenil: this better? | 12:20 |
| hene- | VDVsx__: this is what I see when open that email: http://hene.daug.net/jolla/20131212141324.png | 12:20 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Can someone with a Pebble test the android pebble app's functionlaity | 12:21 |
| AL13N_lizzy | what is a pebble? | 12:21 |
| smokex | that is a very bright email hene- | 12:22 |
| faenil | AL13N_lizzy, I'd put it like 4 or 5 | 12:22 |
| hene- | yes | 12:22 |
| hene- | just blank "page" | 12:22 |
| AL13N_lizzy | faenil: i donno, i think this is better, but i don't want to endlessly discuss it, so if you like it better different, it's a public wiki, you can change it :-) | 12:23 |
| AL13N_lizzy | faenil: sorry for being lazy | 12:24 |
| AL13N_lizzy | or yanno, stubborn | 12:24 |
| AL13N_lizzy | gtg back to work! | 12:24 |
| MFaro-Tusino | AL13N_lizzy: Smart watch | 12:25 |
| faenil | AL13N_lizzy, as you wish | 12:26 |
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| VDVsx__ | hene-, yup, there's a bug :(, if you are familiar with command line and developer mode I can send instructions how to fix it, just requires copying one file and recreating the account | 12:28 |
| AL13N_lizzy | http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Jolla-White-16GB-EU-Sailfish-OS-Mobile-Phone-/291032003687?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones&hash=item43c2dbf467 --> 2h to go, 850£ > 1k€ ... | 12:31 |
| Jope | I wonder what N950s go for these days. :-D | 12:31 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | Jope: 1k eur+ last i knew | 12:38 |
| Jope | he | 12:38 |
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| hene- | VDVsx__, okey :C | 12:41 |
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| TheBootroo | cybette: do you look at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqcXroZyLBjPdGJ4WmhOMlZBaVdEc2g1TmY3cXNLeWc&usp=sharing#gid=0 sometimes? | 12:45 |
| TheBootroo | nice community initiative :-) | 12:45 |
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| cybette | TheBootroo: I have seen it, and watched it grow :) | 12:47 |
| MMori | Stskeeps: Improvement suggestion. When you first turn on the device and are asked if you want to connect your Jolla account when you select via Wlan it would be nice to see "Hidden Network" option in the list. | 12:47 |
| AJAX555 | TheBootroo: oh, can I add my order status there too? or can I even edit that | 12:48 |
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| ggabriel | AJAX555: yes, you can edit at the bottom (don't change the order please) | 12:48 |
| ggabriel | (if you want, otherwise it's cool too) | 12:48 |
| TheBootroo | AJAX555: yeah just add a new line at end of spreadsheet | 12:48 |
| MMori | Stskeeps: it's there at times but not always | 12:48 |
| AJAX555 | oh okay | 12:48 |
| tachikoma | mh, does anyone know if that feature i had on the n900 still works - where you can set an alarm and tehn shutdown the device completely and it will boot up at the scheduled time to sound the alarm? | 12:49 |
| AJAX555 | need to go check my order#.. | 12:49 |
| ggabriel | tachikoma: according to some folks, it does work | 12:49 |
| tachikoma | I really loved that, no matter how empty the battery was, you could still rely on that alarm | 12:49 |
| tachikoma | ggabriel: yeah \o/ | 12:49 |
| tachikoma | because that does not work with my android device | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | MMori: filed | 12:49 |
| MMori | Stskeeps: So far I'm loving the device | 12:50 |
| ggabriel | tachikoma: that works with a depleted N9 too | 12:50 |
| ggabriel | i'm sorry you have an android ;-) | 12:50 |
| TheBootroo | cybette: hehe, but you're not on it | 12:51 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo: i'm not there either. or am i? :-) | 12:51 |
| tachikoma | ggabriel: i knoww, but i don't have one | 12:51 |
| ggabriel | i'm pulling your leg tachikoma. don't take me serious 90% of the time | 12:51 |
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| tachikoma | ggabriel: it's an ainol 7'' tablet and it was the attempt to get check out android. | 12:52 |
| tachikoma | well, first and last android device of mine | 12:52 |
| AJAX555 | there, added my line | 12:52 |
| cybette | TheBootroo: because i haven't received my webshop invitation yet. but i'll bother care after they've dealt with the recent flood | 12:53 |
| MMori | Stskeeps: It seems that trying to connect to a Hidden Network a few times crashed some process, the phone gives a popup that says "Nimetön sovellus ei vastaa". It comes and goes every now and then | 12:53 |
| tachikoma | ggabriel: I'm working and ionly sometimes when i have to wait for something to complete i look here, so i might misunderstand sometimes ;) | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | MMori: okay, you'll have to excuse me, i don't grok finnish :) | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | MMori: what does that error say? | 12:53 |
| tachikoma | "ggabriel: i knoww, but i don't have one" <- that was refering to the n9 | 12:53 |
| ggabriel | tachikoma: yeah, understood ;-) | 12:54 |
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| MMori | Stskeeps: sorry :) How do you say it in english "unnamed process is not responding" | 12:54 |
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| Stskeeps | MMori: okay, have you updated your device to 1.0.1.10 yet? | 12:55 |
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| hene- | VDVsx__: can you send instructions? | 12:55 |
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| VDVsx__ | hene-, sent | 12:56 |
| VDVsx__ | hene-, let me know if you have any difficulties | 12:57 |
| VDVsx__ | quite stupid bug :( | 12:57 |
| MMori | Stskeeps: No, I'll do that as soon as I get my Wlan working | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | MMori: oki | 12:57 |
| Venemo | morning | 12:57 |
| ln- | MMori: use your neighbour's wlan | 12:57 |
| MMori | ln-: They're all protected :( but not as well as my network. It's hidden and I've apparently forgotten the passw :P | 12:58 |
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| paju | VDVsx__: do you mean bug in email? | 12:59 |
| tachikoma | does it make sense to hide a network? | 12:59 |
| MMori | tachikoma: yes. | 13:00 |
| tachikoma | i always see a list of "hidden network"s when i scan | 13:00 |
| ggabriel | tachikoma: yeah, keeps all the kids away | 13:00 |
| MMori | tachikoma: try and guess the ssid :P | 13:00 |
| tachikoma | i mean, when i want to connect to some network, i also have a list of hidden ones | 13:00 |
| tachikoma | which kind of makes the hiding not so hidden to me | 13:00 |
| ggabriel | tachikoma: you can hack aabout and get the ssid too | 13:00 |
| tachikoma | oh, ok i see | 13:01 |
| ggabriel | tachikoma: but not everybody can do that with standard knowledge | 13:01 |
| ggabriel | tachikoma: you can restrict by mac address too, and that's relatively easy to break, but not everybody knows how to change a mac address ;-) | 13:01 |
| Morpog_N9 | In picking! Yay \o/ | 13:02 |
| VDVsx__ | paju, yup, email POP | 13:02 |
| * Morpog_N9 dances around | 13:02 | |
| tachikoma | yeah, changing macs is kinda trivial | 13:02 |
| Venemo | Morpog_N9: what's up? | 13:02 |
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| paju | VDVsx__, i've a problem sending IMAP | 13:02 |
| VDVsx__ | paju, what's the problem ? | 13:03 |
| Morpog_N9 | Venemo, my Jolla is now in picking state | 13:03 |
| Venemo | Morpog_N9: when did you preorder? | 13:04 |
| Morpog_N9 | 20.5. | 13:04 |
| TheBootroo | ggabriel: paid is now 2/3 | 13:04 |
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| paju | VDVsx__, can't send mail | 13:04 |
| VDVsx__ | paju, what is your provider ? | 13:04 |
| VDVsx__ | or own server | 13:05 |
| paju | VDVsx__ sonera mail.inet.fi | 13:05 |
| TheBootroo | does The Jolla support EAS-sim for Wifi auth ? | 13:05 |
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| TheBootroo | *EAP-SIM | 13:05 |
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| Venemo | Morpog_N9: 20th may? | 13:05 |
| VDVsx__ | paju, are you using SSL for smtp ? please note that some of these providers require them to be in their network in order to use encrypted connection, case of saunalathi | 13:06 |
| TheBootroo | cybette: spreadsheet seems to prove that last four digits of order number is roughly the priority order, as no high number has been processed yet | 13:07 |
| TheBootroo | we could almost calculate the average rate of order-by-hour | 13:07 |
| tachikoma | TheBootroo: yeah, but I'd expect that it will still speed up | 13:08 |
| paju | VDVsx__, yes, i've tried both encrypted and not, both should work in sonera | 13:08 |
| TheBootroo | tachikoma: yeah me too if we want our order to be processed before weekend | 13:08 |
| VDVsx__ | paju, ok, will try to get an account there and see what's wrong | 13:09 |
| micko_ | I have an icon (or actually no icon, just an empty space) with name "com". It appeared about the same time with Google play and other google apps | 13:09 |
| micko_ | anyone else seen it? any idea what it is? | 13:10 |
| Morpog_N9 | vememo afair | 13:11 |
| MMori | Jolla web page looks beautiful on Jolla browser <3 | 13:11 |
| ggabriel | Morpog_N9: woohoo (re in picking) | 13:13 |
| MMori | Oh dear how smooth the OS is ^^ <3 | 13:13 |
| micko_ | ...or where could I check myself what that icon is? where are the files located? | 13:13 |
| TheBootroo | ggabriel: you too now ? | 13:13 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo: no, i get happy when others get their thing progressing | 13:13 |
| TheBootroo | ah ok | 13:13 |
| Bysmyyr | mail from jolla... | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | i have a mail | 13:14 |
| TheBootroo | Bysmyyr, Stskeeps : what ? | 13:14 |
| Venemo | ggabriel: that's a very nice, healthy attitude! :) | 13:14 |
| Morpog_N9 | and I thought it's shipping mail, lol | 13:14 |
| nahkiss | Well the mail is pretty much nothing except that "sorry we fucked up, wait a bit longer will you" | 13:14 |
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| Bysmyyr | Dear brave pioneer, | 13:14 |
| Bysmyyr | If you have already received your tracking number or the actual device, congratulations and thank you for your support! | 13:14 |
| Bysmyyr | We had lots of unexpected technical challenges in the shipping process. Some of you have not yet received your tracking number or device and for that we are truly sorry. We know you believe in us and we are working hard to meet your expectations. | 13:14 |
| Bysmyyr | Watch your email for your tracking number. | 13:15 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: it's my way of offsetting my bad diet | 13:15 |
| Bysmyyr | Once again, please understand how sorry we are that what we worked on for the last two years is having difficulty to get into your eager hands. You will not be disappointed when you get your Jolla! | 13:15 |
| Bysmyyr | We have focused so much on getting the product ready and in your hands that our communication towards you hasn't been enough. We learned and we will improve this in the future. | 13:15 |
| Morpog_N9 | congrats ggabriel | 13:15 |
| Bysmyyr | Thank you for your patience. | 13:15 |
| Bysmyyr | Sincerely, | 13:15 |
| Bysmyyr | Jolla team | 13:15 |
| Bysmyyr | If you have any more questions or concerns please contact care@jolla.com. | 13:15 |
| Bysmyyr | For more information, please see: https://jolla.zendesk.com/entries/31152238-Pre-order-Shipping-Info | 13:15 |
| Bysmyyr | Copyright © Jolla Ltd. 2013. All rights reserved. | 13:15 |
| Bysmyyr | This email was sent to olli@syrjala.org | 13:15 |
| TheBootroo | Bysmyyr: yes, just got this one too | 13:15 |
| Bysmyyr | why did I get this? (http://jolla.us7.list-manage.com/about?u=9fa131561747fd5ea8037f0c2&id=24fd8c7b60&e=eda2fe3a39&c=0378b1a919) unsubscribe from this list (http://jolla.us7.list-manage.com/unsubscribe?u=9fa131561747fd5ea8037f0c2&id=24fd8c7b60&e=eda2fe3a39&c=0378b1a919) update subscription preferences (http://jolla.us7.list-manage2.com/profile?u=9fa131561747fd5ea8037f0c2&id=24fd8c7b60&e=eda2fe3a39) | 13:15 |
| Bysmyyr | sorry | 13:15 |
| Bysmyyr | copypaste fails | 13:15 |
| Bysmyyr | http://pastebin.com/e387iiFE <-- this I planned to paste | 13:15 |
| Morpog_N9 | omg kick him, kick him :D | 13:16 |
| ggabriel | ok, i didn't get that email, i'm special | 13:16 |
| ggabriel | or rather, the email is going through spamd | 13:16 |
| Venemo | Morpog_N9: and at what time on 20th may? | 13:17 |
| sledges | just received an email from jolla, that im about to receive tracking number, yoohoo! | 13:17 |
| sledges | status still 'Paid' ;) | 13:18 |
| nahkiss | yes, everyone got that email | 13:18 |
| Acce | does someone know, how deep is the touch keyboard coded into sailfish? Just wondering how difficult it would be to modify it | 13:18 |
| Tofe | Even TheBootroo got it, that says much ;) | 13:18 |
| faenil | Acce, you mean the layouts? | 13:18 |
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| ggabriel | Acce: there is a layout thread in tmo | 13:18 |
| Acce | faenil: yeah, I would like to have left and right keys for example | 13:19 |
| ggabriel | Acce: and apparently it's pretty similar ot the n9, whatever that means | 13:19 |
| faenil | Acce, it should be easy, should be all QML | 13:19 |
| locusf | we should add the glacier nipple instead | 13:19 |
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| Acce | faenil: Great to hear! | 13:19 |
| faenil | Acce, :) | 13:19 |
| micko_ | mosh on jolla works \o/ | 13:20 |
| Acce | and sorry, but where is "tmo" ? | 13:20 |
| ggabriel | Acce: talk.maemo.org | 13:21 |
| micko_ | of course I knew that already, but now I see it myself | 13:21 |
| ggabriel | Acce: thread should be easy to find | 13:21 |
| sledges | Finlandia vodka is made of pure glacier water ;) some names ideas for our Nemo UX project :) | 13:21 |
| ggabriel | Acce: there are a few guys with a few layouts already | 13:21 |
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| Acce | ggabriel: Thanks :) | 13:21 |
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| DeeGee | Are you planning on adding some kind of UI hint to options that can be longpressed for additional settings? For example, finding how I can change the APN on my 3G connection was a hit and miss... | 13:24 |
| Tofe | sledges: you want to name the releases based on vodka names ? isn't that a bit dangerous for communication ? | 13:25 |
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| sledges | Tofe: "Vodka connecting people" (can't count enough puns :)) Jokes away, since me not a big drinker myself - naming releases might take it too far :) I was thinking of calling an app or some graphics element as we carry on developing ;) | 13:28 |
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| sledges | (can call it Ballmer's Peak too :D) | 13:28 |
| ggabriel | vodka made of pura glacier water wouldn't do too much damage imho | 13:30 |
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| sledges | lol ok I should go and polish my english ;P | 13:31 |
| sledges | maybe finnish glaciers are just purely frozen spirits? ;P (now that's cold!) | 13:32 |
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| ggabriel | sledges: uhm... not sure how cold it has to be to freeze good vodka | 13:33 |
| ggabriel | very cold i imagine | 13:33 |
| ggabriel | like, too cold | 13:33 |
| * TheBootroo sighs, highest order not paid so far is ... 1149, far from 549 | 13:33 | |
| TheBootroo | *2540 | 13:33 |
| artemma | What do you guys feel in general about Sailfish OS pattern for deleting and reordering list elements (deleting via long press and context menu, reordering nonexistent if i get it correctly)? | 13:33 |
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| artemma | Fast enough? Simple enough? Obvious enough? | 13:34 |
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| VDVsx__ | paju, I don't see anything special with that sonera email, are you able to collect logs ? | 13:42 |
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| VDVsx__ | paju, ah, Username != emailaddress isn't ? | 13:45 |
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| dTA | hm... is there any documentation (or test blog posts...or anything?) available for i2c IO of the phone yet? I want to test out something simple like reading data from an arduino configured as slave but i've only used gpio pins for linux before, not a "native" i2c implementation | 13:49 |
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| Venemo | no | 13:49 |
| faenil | dTA, there are some specs for the pins, what do you need exactly? | 13:50 |
| faenil | (I'm n00b at electronics) | 13:50 |
| SpeedEvil | dTA: I wonder if i2ctools are there. | 13:50 |
| SpeedEvil | dTA: type i2c<tab> into a root console. | 13:50 |
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| jmlich | dTA, AFAIK there is not official documentation yet. There is documentation at http://elinux.org/Jolla#How_is_The_Other_Half_connecting_to_the_Phone.3F ; better picture is here https://twitter.com/Jolla_CZ_SK/status/408568651915087872 | 13:51 |
| dTA | i2c-tab says "bling" so no bins starting with that name | 13:53 |
| dTA | i also list the "available packages" earlier, grepping i2c from that says nothing | 13:54 |
| dTA | faenil: i know the pins and can probably get that part sorted-i2c isn't terribly complex in the end. the software side is what i'm wondering of | 13:55 |
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| dTA | SpeedEvil: nope | 13:55 |
| faenil | dTA, ah ok, I think there's nothing about that atm | 13:55 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_software_power_management | 13:56 |
| SpeedEvil | Contain a script which uses i2c-tools to read the battery meter. | 13:56 |
| SpeedEvil | In general, there are three parameters you need - one sets the bus to read from - this will be a fixed number for the back port. | 13:57 |
| dTA | hmm, i wonder how much i'd need to poke about to compile the version used on n900 for use on jolla | 13:58 |
| SpeedEvil | The second the address - this will vary by chip connected (chips do not have unique addresses, there are only a 127 generally ) - then the register | 13:58 |
| dTA | but okay thats a place to start | 13:58 |
| Morpog_N9 | venemo, about 11o clock geräan time | 13:59 |
| SpeedEvil | Maybe none, it may just run. | 13:59 |
| Morpog_N9 | german | 13:59 |
| dTA | yeah if i use an arduino i can tell it what address to answer on | 13:59 |
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| dTA | i'll probably have it just answer like "uliuliuli" or just "0x1", whatever | 14:00 |
| ggabriel | dTA: i vote "uliuliuli" | 14:00 |
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| paju | VDVsx__, yes it is, sending mail works with my android-phone, but only incoming with jolla | 14:01 |
| dTA | i'll need something to decode/encode ascii but it may well be worth it :P | 14:01 |
| VDVsx__ | paju, Username != emailaddress is not supported yet in the settings | 14:02 |
| dTA | of course, after i get a proof of concept, arduino already has libraries for connecting a million different things. I also own an arduino lilypad which is designed for wearable electronics | 14:02 |
| ggabriel | VDVsx__: is this the email application? | 14:02 |
| dTA | which means it is small enough to be feasible for a thick other half, a other-halko if you may | 14:02 |
| paju | VDVsx__: oh, wtf | 14:03 |
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| VDVsx__ | ggabriel, in the accounts settings | 14:03 |
| VDVsx__ | paju, have you tried to use username instead of the entire email address for the smtp ? will work for some servers at least | 14:05 |
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| Venemo | Morpog_N9: ah, that's pretty early | 14:06 |
| ggabriel | VDVsx__: thanks, you'll make me add another username == email address to my home hosted email :) | 14:06 |
| Venemo | Morpog_N9: or is it AM or PM? | 14:06 |
| paju | VDVsx__, i've tried only username | 14:06 |
| Morpog_N9 | 24 hours | 14:07 |
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| Morpog_N9 | so AM | 14:07 |
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| Venemo | ok, mine was late at night, on same day | 14:08 |
| Jope | a e i o u | 14:08 |
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| sledges | wowels! | 14:12 |
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| TheBootroo | highest 'in picking' is now 1215 | 14:16 |
| TheBootroo | still far from 2500 | 14:16 |
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| TheBootroo | but going on | 14:16 |
| artemma | 3441 is what I am waiting for.. | 14:17 |
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| Stskeeps | artemma: 35xx :/ | 14:17 |
| tachikoma | TheBootroo: nearly haf the way ;) | 14:17 |
| * artemma earlier than Stskeeps??? Wow. I shall call it a success I guess | 14:18 | |
| TheBootroo | tachikoma: really hoping a huge speedup | 14:18 |
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| ShadowJK | 1*1215? | 14:19 |
| MMori | Is it not possible to register to Yandex.Store without a Sim-card? | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | MMori: should be possible, are you on finnish language by chance? | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | there's a bug with finnish language for the registration step | 14:20 |
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| VDVsx__ | hene-, did you managed to make the changes ? | 14:21 |
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| MMori | Stskeeps: Thanks, I'll try again :) | 14:21 |
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| tachikoma | TheBootroo: just got a jolla mail \o/ | 14:22 |
| tachikoma | TheBootroo: with no tracking number but an excuse for the delay. | 14:22 |
| tachikoma | that is nice | 14:22 |
| TheBootroo | tachikoma: we all got it | 14:22 |
| tachikoma | ah, i did not read here all teh time | 14:22 |
| TheBootroo | dat mini heart-attack | 14:22 |
| tachikoma | lol | 14:22 |
| tachikoma | i did not realize it as it was not delevered ro my spam folder | 14:23 |
| TheBootroo | tachikoma: i'm waiting for another kind of email, if you see what i mean | 14:23 |
| TheBootroo | ; - ) | 14:24 |
| tachikoma | what other mail could that be? ;) | 14:26 |
| TheBootroo | ohoh on spreadsheet : "Viewing in simple list mode due to high traffic to this document." | 14:27 |
| ggabriel | spreadsheet is epic | 14:27 |
| TheBootroo | ggabriel: yeah | 14:28 |
| tachikoma | absolutely | 14:28 |
| crysaz | which one? | 14:29 |
| ggabriel | crysaz: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqcXroZyLBjPdGJ4WmhOMlZBaVdEc2g1TmY3cXNLeWc#gid=1 | 14:29 |
| TheBootroo | tachikoma: you're not on it , | 14:29 |
| ggabriel | the "stats" bit is the best | 14:29 |
| crysaz | ggabriel: 404 due to traffic :) | 14:29 |
| tachikoma | TheBootroo: not yet | 14:29 |
| ggabriel | crysaz: well, google is always beta | 14:30 |
| tachikoma | too slow here atm | 14:30 |
| ggabriel | we complain about sailfish being beta | 14:30 |
| ggabriel | google never goes above beta | 14:30 |
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| Yaniel | let's just hope sailfish does | 14:30 |
| TheBootroo | tachikoma: well atm readonly cause of too much load | 14:30 |
| ggabriel | i can tell you that the paid->in picking transition is moving | 14:31 |
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| ggabriel | between yesterday and today, 25% of orders were transitioned from paid | 14:31 |
| TheBootroo | ggabriel: we're around 65% atm afaik | 14:32 |
| TheBootroo | 65% paid | 14:32 |
| TheBootroo | 220 person filled the spreadsheet | 14:32 |
| TheBootroo | nice achievemnt | 14:32 |
| TheBootroo | shows what community spirit is | 14:32 |
| crysaz | aa ok. so you are sill waiting for your goodies. | 14:32 |
| TheBootroo | crysaz: goodies ? nope, phone ! | 14:32 |
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| TheBootroo | i really don't care about tee shirt or tea cup | 14:33 |
| TheBootroo | ;-) | 14:33 |
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| ggabriel | wait, i want a tea cup from jolla too | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | and a pony | 14:41 |
| ggabriel | and a big one | 14:41 |
| ggabriel | Stskeeps: you can't change the story now. i thought the jolla already came with unicorns of an unknown colour | 14:42 |
| Yaniel | ggabriel: yup | 14:42 |
| ggabriel | unicorn = pony + horn | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | and now he wants a unicorn too. | 14:42 |
| ggabriel | no, just the tea cup and the already included unicorn of an undetermined colour | 14:42 |
| TheBootroo | ggabriel: epic spreadsheet is back | 14:44 |
| TheBootroo | but slow | 14:44 |
| dTA | SpeedEvil: looks like i2c-tools.rpm is in at least the testing and devel repositories but not in stable yet, so I guess thats what i need | 14:44 |
| TheBootroo | tachikoma: nice, i see you filling it, but you cause the stats to be little more bad ;-)) | 14:46 |
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| tachikoma | well... | 14:47 |
| SpeedEvil | dTA: just be cautious. You can screw up the device with I2C. | 14:48 |
| TheBootroo | tachikoma: hehe | 14:48 |
| tachikoma | SpeedEvil: how that? | 14:48 |
| SpeedEvil | - if you screw up and write the wrong things to power control registers. | 14:48 |
| TheBootroo | tachikoma: but Paid% just dropped under the 65% and that's good | 14:48 |
| SpeedEvil | The internal power regulator chip is typically I2C too. | 14:48 |
| sledges | SpeedEvil: I wonder what other (internal) devices are connected to the OTH i2c bus | 14:49 |
| sledges | it should be on a separate (safe bus) | 14:49 |
| SpeedEvil | I would hope none. | 14:49 |
| tachikoma | i can already smell the dahboard that will evaluate this spreadsheet and then draw nice statistics and pie graphs ;) | 14:49 |
| SpeedEvil | So anything on that bus should be quite safe. | 14:49 |
| tachikoma | dashboard | 14:49 |
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| ggabriel | uhm... it'd suck to break the device | 14:49 |
| ggabriel | so yeah, be careful | 14:49 |
| ggabriel | or wait for jolla's specs? | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, don't sink it in water | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:49 |
| sledges | i2cdetect shows all connected devices | 14:50 |
| sledges | (in most cases ;P) | 14:50 |
| SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Bus_I2c Ideally jolla would have something like this, or provide the community with info so thay can make it. | 14:50 |
| dTA | yea i plan to use it read-only for now | 14:50 |
| * sledges had a peripheral which would not show up on i2c-detect, but worked with i2cdump/get-set | 14:50 | |
| ggabriel | sledges: my sensor detect on my laptop disagrees with several "be careful" messages | 14:50 |
| tachikoma | Stskeeps: the ad show it been covered with coffee ... theat seems to have caused people to believ its waterproof | 14:50 |
| Yaniel | hmm there is discussion about wpa-eap on tthe connman mailing list at least | 14:50 |
| SpeedEvil | I2c cannot be reliably probed. | 14:50 |
| fk_lx | Sfiet_Konstantin: ping | 14:50 |
| Yaniel | so I guess it is supported to some extent | 14:50 |
| Yaniel | but not in the sailfish ui | 14:50 |
| SpeedEvil | I did the above page for the n900, but no device as yet. | 14:51 |
| ggabriel | tachikoma: what you say would be a problem in the usa | 14:51 |
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| Stskeeps | tachikoma: ........ | 14:51 |
| cybette | we are working on a developer kit for other-half development that will contain all the necessary info (electrical, mechanical, magical) | 14:51 |
| tachikoma | I'm just saying ;) | 14:51 |
| dTA | and only/or only talk to my arduino on the bus | 14:51 |
| tachikoma | cybette: I'll go for the magical part then | 14:51 |
| sledges | cybette: \yay/ | 14:51 |
| ggabriel | cybette: is the magical thing related to the unicorns included in the jolla? | 14:51 |
| cybette | hehe | 14:52 |
| TheBootroo | tachikoma: there is already a stat tab on spreadsheet | 14:52 |
| cybette | ask Stskeeps | 14:52 |
| ggabriel | Stskeeps changed that to ponies | 14:52 |
| ggabriel | i'm utterly disappointed | 14:52 |
| cybette | oh, scratch magical then | 14:52 |
| ggabriel | i'll write you a stiff letter on cardboard | 14:52 |
| dTA | haha | 14:52 |
| ggabriel | (daddy joke) | 14:52 |
| tachikoma | Any sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology ;) | 14:53 |
| fk_lx | cybette: hi :-) | 14:53 |
| tachikoma | quote by Doctor Who ;) | 14:53 |
| cybette | ggabriel: not sure where that's from but i'll give a lol | 14:53 |
| cybette | fk_lx: hi! | 14:53 |
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| TheBootroo | tachikoma: nice reference ! | 14:57 |
| tachikoma | http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/episodeguide/index_seventh.shtml <- this guy, i think from silver nemesis | 14:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | fk_lx: pong | 14:59 |
| Tofe | tachikoma: you look like someone who won't miss the xmas special for anything in the world -- execpt a Jolla delivery, of course | 14:59 |
| dTA | cybette: suppose you've got your hands full with the launch/shipping/support but would the devkit release be a week from now or a month or more? | 15:00 |
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| dTA | and/or is there a public mailing list i should try to get on to be receiving it | 15:00 |
| zhxt | cybette: hi :) | 15:00 |
| fk_lx | Sfiet_Konstantin: could you add me and my app to github.com/sailfishapps ? | 15:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | fk_lx: I'm not manager of sailfishapps | 15:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I don't even know who it is | 15:01 |
| fk_lx | Sfiet_Konstantin: who is ? | 15:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | fk_lx: goot questions ... | 15:01 |
| fk_lx | Sfiet_Konstantin: well, there are 4 persons | 15:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | fk_lx: one sec | 15:01 |
| fk_lx | Sfiet_Konstantin: so one of them is | 15:01 |
| tachikoma | Tofe: i absolutely do ;) | 15:02 |
| * tachikoma ist dr who addict | 15:02 | |
| fk_lx | Sfiet_Konstantin: someone added you there, so you must know who is manager | 15:02 |
| fk_lx | Sfiet_Konstantin: who added you and your app ambiance-changer there? | 15:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | fk_lx: know what, I forgot, and lost the mail from github | 15:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sure it is not me neither thp | 15:03 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | fk_lx: actually there are 5 of them wo are hidden | 15:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | fk_lx: and honestly, I don't think that this group is usednow ... | 15:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :( | 15:04 |
| cybette | dTA: probably not for christmas but maybe for chinese new year (my estimate, not official) :) | 15:05 |
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| cybette | dTA: most likely you'll hear about it right here. and the usual channels apply - twitter, devel mailing list | 15:05 |
| cybette | zhxt: hi! | 15:06 |
| fk_lx | Sfiet_Konstantin: how it is not used, some new apps appeared there recently | 15:07 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | fk_lx: ah, didn't noticed | 15:07 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but anyway, I don't know who is the manager | 15:07 |
| zhxt | 嘿嘿， woul you please share some information about the date of global shipping? | 15:08 |
| fk_lx | I think I know | 15:08 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | fk_lx: ok :) | 15:08 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | good luck with that :) | 15:08 |
| cybette | zhxt: I don't have that info. I can't even tell for certain when Stskeeps's device will be shipped :P | 15:09 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | cybette: isn't Stskeeps's device already shipped ? | 15:10 |
| Stskeeps | Sfiet_Konstantin: no | 15:10 |
| Stskeeps | "Paid" :/ | 15:10 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :( | 15:10 |
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| zhxt | cybette, oh. fine, thx all the same. :) | 15:10 |
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| grejppi | random question, is it possible to use the jolla as an usb modem? | 15:11 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | grejppi: with tweaks under linux | 15:11 |
| ggabriel | grejppi: not exactly, but if you connect it you get a network device | 15:11 |
| ggabriel | actually, wait | 15:11 |
| cybette | zhxt: anytime! if i had concrete info to work with i'll shout it from the mountain top! (or irc, social media...) | 15:11 |
| ggabriel | grejppi: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1391586#post1391586 | 15:12 |
| ggabriel | that was actually my question ;-) | 15:12 |
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| grejppi | ggabriel: thanks | 15:12 |
| ggabriel | tbh, it'll take a bit of work to do the ifup/ifdown, but i think it's cleaner than ppp | 15:12 |
| ggabriel | at least faster | 15:12 |
| ggabriel | you'll save a ms or 2ms in your life | 15:12 |
| zhxt | cybette, that's great, | 15:14 |
| SpeedEvil | It should be pretty trivial in principle to do a USB modem. | 15:15 |
| SpeedEvil | I mean - it's just pppd. | 15:15 |
| narchie | why do ambiences keep disappearing? | 15:15 |
| SpeedEvil | + usb-serial-device | 15:15 |
| narchie | I just suddenly lost the default ambiences | 15:15 |
| SpeedEvil | usb-gadget-serial | 15:15 |
| narchie | and can't slide left again to see any favorites | 15:15 |
| ggabriel | SpeedEvil: ootb the device doesn't register a ppp modem | 15:16 |
| ggabriel | well, that's what i'm being told anyway | 15:16 |
| SpeedEvil | No, it won't. | 15:16 |
| SpeedEvil | I was meaning from a 'make it do this' perspective, I would expect a recompile with the right kernel module, and perhaps 20 lines of scripting should do it. | 15:17 |
| ggabriel | SpeedEvil: yeap, true, then you dial | 15:17 |
| ggabriel | not sure if it's overkill though | 15:17 |
| ggabriel | as having a network device is as easy from a host perspective (i.e., if you want to use it as a modem) | 15:18 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah. | 15:18 |
| Yaniel | narchie: if you have none favourited the swipe from the side gesture won't do anything | 15:19 |
| Yaniel | go to gallery -> ambiences | 15:19 |
| narchie | there's two favorited | 15:19 |
| SpeedEvil | The nice thing about the above is it could be used for stupid devices that don't understand more than 3g modems to do things like share wifi. | 15:19 |
| narchie | oh, so alright. Thanks Yaniel | 15:20 |
| narchie | forgot to "save" one of them | 15:20 |
| narchie | but where did the default ambiences go :( | 15:20 |
| ggabriel | SpeedEvil: yeah, fair enough. in my mind, i'm happy i'll be getting rid of all the ppp kmods and the userspace tools and all that | 15:20 |
| SpeedEvil | Quite. It makes as little sense as vfat-UMS does as a way of sharing files. | 15:21 |
| Eztran | narchie: there's a package which contains them, someone who lost them recently found the package wasn't installed. Can't remember its name, but I think 'ambience' was in it somewhere? | 15:22 |
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| artemma | Device is not coming for a while.. shall I try installing Sailfish to my a little broken N9? Is it more like flashing and that's it or do you need to do lots of difficult steps for it? | 15:24 |
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| ggabriel | artemma: you need to read the tutorial... at least ubiboot is needed | 15:24 |
| ggabriel | and there are still several issues | 15:25 |
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| artemma | hmm.. | 15:25 |
| artemma | thanks | 15:25 |
| TheBootroo | ggabriel: %62 Paid | 15:25 |
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| ggabriel | TheBootroo: I see that you're getting excited now ;-) | 15:26 |
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| ggabriel | (it's actually going better than I thought, even considering that the status is not entirely up to date everywhere) | 15:27 |
| TheBootroo | ggabriel: not really, as % is getting lower but highest In Picking is still 1215 | 15:27 |
| TheBootroo | since 2 hours | 15:27 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo: the trick is to accept that you won't get your phone in time | 15:28 |
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| TheBootroo | ggabriel: i don't think this 'trick' can make it processed faster | 15:29 |
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| ggabriel | TheBootroo: nothing will make the progress go any faster | 15:29 |
| ggabriel | so i chose to fix it on my side | 15:29 |
| TheBootroo | so there is no trick | 15:29 |
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| ggabriel | lower expectations to the lowest level | 15:30 |
| ggabriel | it works for me ;-) | 15:30 |
| Yaniel | hmm wlan psks are stored as plaintext | 15:31 |
| Yaniel | *passphrases | 15:31 |
| ggabriel | Yaniel: not many people care about that level of security these days anyway | 15:32 |
| Yaniel | and the files are rw-------- for root anyway | 15:33 |
| ggabriel | my home's wifi has been backed up to google at least twice by friends of mine | 15:33 |
| ggabriel | so *shrug* | 15:33 |
| TheBootroo | ggabriel: it doesn't work for me -_- | 15:34 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo: trust me, I got that from the 3rd minute I known you through IRC :-) | 15:35 |
| Tofe | Yaniel: it was also like that on the n900... I would have preferred a bit more obscure storage (in hex, or simple AES encryption) | 15:35 |
| ggabriel | s/I/I have / | 15:35 |
| TheBootroo | ggabriel: XD | 15:36 |
| Yaniel | can I somehow see what ca certs there are on the device? | 15:36 |
| Yaniel | (I'd like to be able to connect to uni wlan & eduroam) | 15:38 |
| Yaniel | and it seems connman does support wpa-eap | 15:39 |
| tachikoma | I wonder how fast it is to backup a 30 gb home dir via tar and netcat over the network ... | 15:41 |
| tachikoma | well, lets see :) | 15:41 |
| Yaniel | depends on the network a lot | 15:41 |
| tachikoma | i guess | 15:41 |
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| tachikoma | its 1gbit i think | 15:41 |
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| Yaniel | I get 6MB/s via wlan and 12 via ethernet on my home LAN | 15:41 |
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| tachikoma | just preparing n900 for reflashing | 15:42 |
| ggabriel | tachikoma: copy a big file to /dev/null and do iostat -m /dev/sdX 1? | 15:42 |
| ggabriel | (assuming that you are playing with your new ssd) | 15:42 |
| tachikoma | no, i backup my n900 | 15:42 |
| tachikoma | just all internal stuff | 15:42 |
| ggabriel | ok, that's a different story | 15:42 |
| tachikoma | booted from sdcard and now want to create tarbals from internal partitions | 15:43 |
| tachikoma | well, it's running, will see how long it takes | 15:43 |
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| FireFly | TheBootroo: my order (#20000360 / order_id/1905) is "in picking" now, FWIW | 15:47 |
| TheBootroo | FireFly: yeah cool but 360 is really small | 15:48 |
| TheBootroo | FireFly: highest 'in picking' is 1215 atm | 15:48 |
| grejppi | what's the significance of 10000xxxx and 20000xxxx | 15:49 |
| TheBootroo | Paid % is just under 62% | 15:49 |
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| FireFly | Oh | 15:49 |
| TheBootroo | grejppi: 10000xxxxx only first wave finns, and 2000xxxxx others and some more finns | 15:49 |
| FireFly | Didn't know which number you meant, TheBootroo | 15:49 |
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| TheBootroo | FireFly: the Order Number without first digit and unsignificant zeroes | 15:50 |
| TheBootroo | in fact, last 4 digits seem to give priority | 15:50 |
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| ShadowJK | where is order id? | 15:51 |
| FireFly | in the URL after you log in | 15:51 |
| FireFly | If you go to "My Orders" and then "View Order" for a particular order | 15:51 |
| grejppi | TheBootroo: weird, I thought I preordered in the second wave but my number is 10000300X | 15:52 |
| TheBootroo | grejppi: but you're finn ? | 15:52 |
| grejppi | TheBootroo: yes | 15:53 |
| FireFly | TheBootroo: I think the 1/2 in the beginning also contributes to priority, because I know for a fact that I ordered after people with 100001XXX, anyway | 15:53 |
| TheBootroo | grejppi: finns seem over rules, so that's normal | 15:53 |
| FireFly | (but I guess maybe you meant out of the 2000* ones) | 15:53 |
| Yaniel | lost cellular network O.o | 15:53 |
| TheBootroo | you are second wave but you've the luck to be finn so you have 1000xxxx | 15:53 |
| ShadowJK | but that's the same 2*xxxx? | 15:54 |
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| TheBootroo | FireFly: just use the spreadsheet to check | 15:54 |
| Yaniel | a reboot brought 2G bakc | 15:54 |
| grejppi | TheBootroo: wasn't second wave limited to finland anyway | 15:54 |
| TheBootroo | grejppi: yeah | 15:54 |
| FireFly | TheBootroo: where do I find it? | 15:54 |
| ShadowJK | I thought the order id in jolla shop was in payment order, not preorder order? | 15:55 |
| TheBootroo | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqcXroZyLBjPdGJ4WmhOMlZBaVdEc2g1TmY3cXNLeWc#gid=0 | 15:55 |
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| FireFly | ShadowJK: I'm fairly sure the 20000xxxx number is in payment order. I've no clue what the thing in the URL is for | 15:57 |
| FireFly | I guess maybe it's just a monotonically increasing ID for orders (as opposed to the other one being prefixed with 1000/200) | 15:58 |
| chem|st | TheBootroo: I am "In Picking" for like 24h now... and no email yet | 15:58 |
| TheBootroo | chem|st: at least you are no more paid | 15:58 |
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| ShadowJK | oh, url... 2x3426 and 7144 | 15:58 |
| micko_ | location services do consume a LOT of battery. I took the phone off charger at 8am and at 11am had 65% battery left. I switched locating off and now (6pm) the battery is at 49% | 15:58 |
| ShadowJK | Someone reported putting phone on charger last night, and in the morning it was at 2% | 15:59 |
| micko_ | it would be a nice feature to switch locating on and off from the software that uses it. or have it on the same place with wlan/bt/3g | 16:00 |
| micko_ | now it's too deep in the settings | 16:00 |
| w00t | micko_: press and hold "Location" | 16:00 |
| w00t | then tap "add to favorites" | 16:00 |
| FireFly | TheBootroo: I like how three people report having ID 200000400 :D | 16:00 |
| ggabriel | TheBootroo: i don't think that the last digits of the order have anything to do with the priority ;-) | 16:01 |
| TheBootroo | FireFly: thatss because they don't want to show their full id, so they put 200004xx and we replace xx with 00 to make ordering work properly | 16:01 |
| ggabriel | FireFly: that's order number masking | 16:01 |
| FireFly | TheBootroo: ah | 16:01 |
| micko_ | w00t: thanks. still I'd like it one click less, but this'll do for now | 16:02 |
| TheBootroo | ggabriel: sure ? because in picking start from lowest to highest | 16:02 |
| ggabriel | access to the webshop was made in priority order | 16:02 |
| ggabriel | so that number has some relationship, but it isn't all | 16:02 |
| ggabriel | and jolla already said that some priority may be missed, so.... | 16:02 |
| ggabriel | but, looking at the spreadsheet, you could be right | 16:02 |
| ggabriel | i just wouldn't bet on it | 16:02 |
| Nicd- | android reddit client works: https://plus.google.com/+MikkoAhlroth/posts/7m32MQ7AsDE | 16:03 |
| TheBootroo | ggabriel: well if they could process 25xx right now and do the rest later, i'm not against it ;-) | 16:03 |
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| TheBootroo | ggabriel: anyway, seems highly impossible that the remaining 61% order are processed until friday/weekend | 16:05 |
| TheBootroo | unless they also work on saturday | 16:05 |
| Yaniel | 24/7 kinda implies that :D | 16:05 |
| TheBootroo | Yaniel: i still don't believe it | 16:05 |
| TheBootroo | PR stuff | 16:05 |
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| HarhaanJohtaja | last week they did work at weekend | 16:06 |
| TheBootroo | well, anyway, we'll see, if there is some progress during weekend | 16:06 |
| TheBootroo | HarhaanJohtaja: rly ? | 16:06 |
| TheBootroo | in this case maybe it's still doable | 16:07 |
| HarhaanJohtaja | i think so | 16:07 |
| ln- | TheBootroo: my shipment was packaged on sunday morning at 08:39. | 16:07 |
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| FireFly | TheBootroo: whose is the spreadsheet? | 16:17 |
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| Milo- | hah | 16:24 |
| Milo- | took 18 freaking minutes to connect my bluetooth headset to the phone | 16:24 |
| Yaniel | what headset? | 16:25 |
| Milo- | bh212 | 16:25 |
| SpeedEvil | It's a security measure! | 16:25 |
| ShadowJK | TheBootroo; they worked last sunday | 16:25 |
| Milo- | after I thought I was synced with the phone, I called my mother to see if they work. and 18 minutes later, audio changed from phone to bluetooth headset. | 16:26 |
| Milo- | that was just weird. | 16:26 |
| ShadowJK | I wonder if the "technical difficulties" means they told DHL they want to ship 20,000 Jollas, and DHL showed up with an armada of boat trailers | 16:26 |
| tachikoma | lol | 16:27 |
| anonfriese__ | so guys, anybody tried sailfish on n9? | 16:28 |
| sledges | #nemomobile-porters have | 16:29 |
| anonfriese__ | okay, thx | 16:29 |
| sledges | yw :) | 16:30 |
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| chem|st | TheBootroo: if that google docs collection of pre-orders is even close to correct, order# orderID or invoice# have close to nothing to do with shipping priority, seems more like time in seconds after payed on 25th Nov gives priority... | 16:33 |
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| chem|st | close to nothing means invitation mails got sent in some of that priority... | 16:34 |
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| chem|st | is the 3.5mm jack standard or that apple/samsung pinout? | 16:35 |
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| ighea | erm... | 16:38 |
| FireFly | Do they use a non-standard pinout? | 16:39 |
| ighea | while playing music the sounds seems to be coming out only from the left side speaker... or is the thing on the right side of Jolla even a speaker at all? | 16:39 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: jack is apple/samsung | 16:39 |
| sledges | chem|st: all statues change to in picking -> shipped the faster the lower order id is (with fuzzy factor due to that people do not update that docs file immediately) - how do you interpret it? | 16:39 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: i agree re shipping pirority :) | 16:39 |
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| w00t | ighea: afair, there's only a single speaker, the grill on the other side is just for decoration | 16:40 |
| chem|st | FireFly: yeah I get mono output and only stereo with holding the answer button on headphones... | 16:40 |
| ighea | so.. what was the advertised stereo speakers then? | 16:40 |
| FireFly | eugh | 16:40 |
| FireFly | annoying | 16:40 |
| ighea | stereo sound while using headphones? =D | 16:41 |
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| chem|st | ggabriel: what a shame but it hit the masses I guess... so I can throw away all my stereoheadsets or solder them by hand... | 16:41 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: i have an adapter :) | 16:41 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: link? | 16:41 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: let me look | 16:41 |
| grejppi | w00t: it's not a microphone? a review claimed it is | 16:42 |
| chem|st | grejppi: +1 | 16:42 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B005T1MQ1Q/ref=wms_ohs_product?ie=UTF8&psc=1 | 16:42 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: i used it to convert iphone/android to n9, but in theory it works both ways | 16:42 |
| ggabriel | chem|st: it's my second, and that's hte one that lasted the longest so far, seems very reliable. i use it mostly for running, so imagine that i fiddle with it a lot | 16:43 |
| chem|st | sledges: ordernumbers do not reflect order of pre-order as people way after me have way lower numbers | 16:43 |
| tehdely | my finnish proxy informs me that people without preorders are now able to buy phones | 16:43 |
| tehdely | even as his preordered phone is still not yet shipped | 16:43 |
| tehdely | that is rude :/ | 16:43 |
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| FireFly | ggabriel: is the difference merely what connectors send what data? | 16:44 |
| sledges | ok, i don't know about pre-orders, but picking->shipping follows strictly order # | 16:44 |
| ggabriel | FireFly: the difference is literally 2 connectors inverted | 16:44 |
| ab | tehdely: DNA started selling Jolla in their shops yesterday | 16:44 |
| ggabriel | FireFly: i'm not an expert in electricals, but that's what i read anyway | 16:44 |
| FireFly | argh | 16:44 |
| chem|st | tehdely: well they had trouble and said that even with withholding phones from DNA they could not make it in time... | 16:44 |
| tehdely | gotcha, i am reading the email now | 16:46 |
| tehdely | contractual obligations are contractual obligtions, i understand :) | 16:47 |
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| FireFly | ggabriel: I found http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phone_connector_(audio)#TRRS_Standards and interestingly it says "Nokia started to implement an universal audio connector, which enables the use of both American Headset Jack (AHJ) headsets and standard Nokia OMTP headsets." ← I wonder if that means both "iPhoney" and regular devices would work with them, and if so whether other vendors will follow suit | 16:51 |
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| FireFly | (I don't know much about electronics either, though..) | 16:51 |
| ggabriel | tbh, i gave up... clearly apple "won" this one | 16:51 |
| ggabriel | most headsets come the apple way | 16:52 |
| ggabriel | samsung obviously copied apple | 16:52 |
| FireFly | Fair enough | 16:52 |
| ggabriel | so they are the most popular | 16:52 |
| Milo- | can't you see call details while call is in progress? | 16:52 |
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| tehdely | is anyone selling a case or cover for the jolla yet | 17:03 |
| tehdely | i'm one of those people who simply MUST HAVE A CASE | 17:04 |
| ggabriel | tehdely: no, but somebody made a 3d print | 17:04 |
| Milo- | tehdely go order some electronics and scotch tape. | 17:11 |
| DeeGee | The pre-order other half comes in a nice zip-lock pouch. I might start using it if the weather keeps the way it's now... Had a fall on my bike today and almost flooded my pocket where Jolla was... | 17:11 |
| Milo- | electronics usually come with some bubble wrap | 17:11 |
| * SpeedEvil ponders embroidering Jolla onto a sock for tehdely. | 17:12 | |
| ggabriel | DeeGee: ouch | 17:12 |
| ggabriel | (for you, not for the jolla) | 17:12 |
| Milo- | SpeedEvil jolla in a sock for some good old fashion beating? | 17:12 |
| SpeedEvil | DeeGee: Ouch. (for the jolla, not you) | 17:12 |
| DeeGee | :D | 17:12 |
| Milo- | in the olden days, we replaced soap with nokia 3310s. | 17:12 |
| Milo- | soaps* | 17:12 |
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| crysaz | we used to play floorball with nokia 3110 | 17:21 |
| Milo- | 3110 had an antenna | 17:22 |
| Milo- | it can't work as a floorball. | 17:22 |
| aupo | Unless you use it as a stick. | 17:22 |
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| joecool | crysaz: nokia's reputation in the US "company that used to make indestructible beater phones" | 17:31 |
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| tobiski | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=78RrsepkQKA#t=256 | 17:34 |
| tobiski | I think this is Jolla's unexpected logistics problem :D | 17:34 |
| aupo | Anyone tried installing df on Jolla? :) | 17:37 |
| aupo | I mean Dwarf Fortress | 17:37 |
| SpeedEvil | http://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/37676/how-can-i-stop-a-dwarf-with-no-arms-from-trying-to-store-items - unrelated | 17:40 |
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| aupo | :D | 17:42 |
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| aupo | "Damn". For "some" reason merely copying an installation from my desktop computer does not work. I wonder why... | 17:44 |
| aupo | (Had to be tried, just for the lulz if it did work :) ) | 17:45 |
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| SpeedEvil | Is it available as source? | 17:51 |
| SpeedEvil | In general, if not, and if there is no explicit ARM version - the answer is no - not without qem | 17:52 |
| SpeedEvil | qemu | 17:52 |
| aupo | I thought it was, but it seems it actually isn't. | 17:53 |
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| aupo | No wait, or is it in source after all... | 17:55 |
| aupo | Nope, not, closed source. Just the graphics part is released open source. | 17:57 |
| Dotti | you could play it through ssh | 17:58 |
| aupo | There was that dwarf fortress terminal project, yeah, though it died already it seems. | 17:59 |
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| aupo | Have others had trouble getting YouTube to play videos on the browser? | 18:01 |
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| Stskeeps | aupo: have you upgraded? | 18:03 |
| aupo | To the new version? I think so, I only got the phone yesterday and it wanted to install an update immediately, so I went and did. | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | okay, what kind of issues do you have? | 18:04 |
| aupo | It just keeps "downloading" the video, nothing happens. | 18:05 |
| Yaniel | I watched a video yesterday and it worked | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | aupo: if it's not somehow embarassing, could you point me to the video / url? | 18:05 |
| aupo | Stskeeps: Tried Heyeyeyeyaa 10h, same with 1h and finally with a song "brightboy - Wear out the soles" and then "Isoveli: Tanssi tai kuole" | 18:06 |
| MMori | aupo, i can't get youtube videos to load on opera mini | 18:06 |
| aupo | All had the same stalling, now installed Viral player (or whatever) from Android apps and this works instantly. | 18:06 |
| aupo | Stskeeps: The last two videos are there only once, so they can't be mistaken for any other video. The heyeyeyeyey could be :3 | 18:07 |
| MMori | works fine on jolla browser though | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | aupo: hmmmmm.. | 18:09 |
| aupo | MMori: I have the problem on Jolla Browser specifically. Haven't tried Opera Mini or any others though, so far I've liked the browser itself :) | 18:09 |
| Stskeeps | aupo: i can reproduce.. hang on | 18:09 |
| aupo | Oh, interesting. | 18:09 |
| FireFly | Was the Jolla browser based on Firefox/Gecko? | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | FireFly: yes | 18:10 |
| FireFly | I think its <video> support doesn't include the h264 codec, which might be an issue? | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | that particular one i do think it includes | 18:10 |
| FireFly | hm | 18:10 |
| aupo | ... I am somewhat scared by this Viral player... "YouTube Floating HD Player" is the name in Yandex store. The front page is filled with "Who is Allah the Great?" and such videos... | 18:11 |
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| FireFly | you could try going to youtube.com/html5 in the jolla browser and see what encodings it reports as being supported | 18:13 |
| FireFly | Maybe | 18:13 |
| Stskeeps | aupo: i've filed a bug about this issue, thank you for finding it | 18:14 |
| aupo | Stskeeps: Okay. No problem :) | 18:14 |
| aupo | FireFly: Reports WebM VP8, Media Source Extensions, MSE & H.264 and MSE & WebM VP9 as not being supported. HTMLVideoElement and pure H.264 are. | 18:15 |
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| aupo | Switching to html5 player does not seem to fix the issue. | 18:16 |
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| Yaniel | "save to gallery" from browser -> picture not visible in gallery | 18:25 |
| Frye | is there a way to force refresh the gallery on android support side. | 18:25 |
| micko_ | has anyone got chrome browser working? | 18:26 |
| micko_ | for me it doesn't load any pages | 18:26 |
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| Frye | currently I can see pics from dec 5th on android apps :-( | 18:26 |
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| Frye | Otherwise I would not care but currently I cannot tweet a pic from the native gallery... | 18:27 |
| Yaniel | ah it realoaded the picture instead of just saving it from memory | 18:27 |
| Yaniel | (causing the server to re-generate it) | 18:28 |
| Yaniel | so it took a while to download | 18:28 |
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| Stskeeps | Morpog_Mobile: you got a tracking code, btw? | 18:32 |
| Yaniel | after that it was immediately visible | 18:32 |
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| Stskeeps | did any of you abroad from finland get a tracking code today? | 18:35 |
| Stskeeps | and if so, what courier? | 18:35 |
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| disharmonic | sadly, no | 18:40 |
| juergbi | no, picking for 30h | 18:44 |
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| atlaz | My gallery just lost my Camera and Jolla folder. They are visible but show 0 pictures (FB has ~600 pics in it and Ambient 1). Checked with terminal, that /home/nemo/pictures/camera has all my pictures and /home/nemo/pictures/jolla has the default Jolla-pictures. Anybody else had problems like this? | 18:45 |
| Yaniel | have you installed update1? | 18:46 |
| Yaniel | (Laadunjärvi) | 18:46 |
| atlaz | Yep | 18:46 |
| atlaz | It worked fine yesterday. Today i played around with the Other Half and it installed the snow white ambience. I tried to change the background picture by going to the gallery, and noticed that the pics were missing | 18:47 |
| atlaz | If i take a photo, i can see the photos i just took by sliding to the right. But if i close the camera app and restart it, the pictures aren't visible | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | atlaz: do you have developer mode? | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | (ie a terminal) | 18:48 |
| atlaz | I just enabled it to get to the terminal to check the camera-folders | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | aloril: what does tracker-search -i say? does it list the pictures? | 18:49 |
| atlaz | tracker-search? I tried typing that to the terminal and it says "tracker-search: command not found". Am i doing it wrong? | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | hmmm.. | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | you may need pkcon install tracker-utils for that | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | shame on me, i did it from a development image :) | 18:51 |
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| atlaz | Yeah it seems to find some pcitures from /run/user/100000/media/sdcard/.... | 18:54 |
| atlaz | "limit reached" | 18:54 |
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| atlaz | okay, so photos folder now regenerated the pictures | 18:54 |
| atlaz | also Videos folder | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | it shows it now? hmm | 18:55 |
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| Yaniel | wait is the sd card mounted there? | 18:55 |
| atlaz | I don't understand what you mean | 18:56 |
| atlaz | It seems like every photo is now in the photos-folder. It doesn't arrange them according to folder (i seem to recall that i had atleast two different photos folder, one Camera and one called Jolla) | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | atlaz: how did you transmit the images in the first place, just to know? | 18:57 |
| atlaz | Also all my dropbox images are now in the Photos-folder. Every single one, from all the folders in dropbox | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | that doesn't sound too healthy | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | dropbox on android? | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | and you're using the jolla gallery right | 18:59 |
| atlaz | Stskeeps: i didn't manually transfer or transmit any pics, i just inserted my sdcard when i got the phone | 18:59 |
| atlaz | Yeah Jolla gallery | 18:59 |
| atlaz | installed the dropbox apk from dropbox's site yesterday | 18:59 |
| Yaniel | tried sailbox? | 19:00 |
| Yaniel | from the jolla app store | 19:00 |
| Yaniel | I think that one is a native app | 19:00 |
| atlaz | Yeah, got that one too. I was curious in case the automatic photo upload would somehow magically work | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | atlaz: sounds like something a bit fishy is going on, but the people who could potentially help you aren't at work right now | 19:00 |
| atlaz | Yeah. I'll leave it like this and factory reset unless somebody wants me to do something tomorrow | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: ping me sometime tomorrow if possible (if you're able to do it earlier than 9pm ..) | 19:02 |
| atlaz | If i just could remove the... ahem...pictures i had in the dropbox folder that should not be visible in the gallery for...everyone | 19:03 |
| atlaz | oh well.. | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | atlaz: just go ahead and factory reset if you'd like, but try to see if you can reproduce | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | ie, if you can somehow repeat what goes wrong, that'd help a lot | 19:03 |
| ottulo | yaay | 19:05 |
| ottulo | updating my Jolla now :> | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | ottulo: got device? | 19:05 |
| ottulo | Stskeeps: I could've picked it up on Tuesday but I was out of town until today | 19:06 |
| atlaz | Stskeeps: no worries, only work related. Nothing too...fetishy ;) | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | ottulo: good, let us know of first impressions | 19:06 |
| ottulo | so just went to get it ~1h ago and now getting familiar with the stuff | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | before you get too used to the bugs ;) | 19:06 |
| ottulo | I had some trouble connecting to my Jolla account, but it could've been me typo-ing the pass :g | 19:06 |
| ottulo | not used to using on-screen kb | 19:06 |
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| DeeGee | How fast/slow should the GPS positioning be? Just decided to try it out, and the map app just keeps saying "Waiting for location". | 19:20 |
| DeeGee | Shouldn't A-GPS get a approximate location quite fast? | 19:21 |
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| Yaniel | for me it got the location almost instantly | 19:22 |
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| Yaniel | ..once I had enabled positioning from settings | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | DeeGee: got sim or not | 19:22 |
| DeeGee | Yes, the map app tells you if you haven't enabled it. Yes, I have Saunalahti sim inside. | 19:23 |
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| DeeGee | But connected through wlan at the moment. | 19:24 |
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| pdanek1 | Seems like jollatides is dying | 19:37 |
| pdanek1 | and jollausers remains as main blog | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | sad, i liked jollatides | 19:37 |
| FiSHBoY | good name, too | 19:38 |
| ortylp | I have received today an email from Jolla stating, that I will receive an email... (that is more than nothing, but still gives me no possibility to estimate if I get the device this year, that is before 20.12 or after that, which means in January 2014) | 19:38 |
| ortylp | Just to track the progress of Jolla delivery: please report what is the highest order number (which hundred) has already been delivered? | 19:38 |
| pdanek1 | ortylp: I received the same, email to wait for email | 19:39 |
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| ottulo | gj Jolla :D | 19:49 |
| ottulo | was looking around the map, scrolled to where my parents live | 19:49 |
| ottulo | picked to see nearby places, first on list: my sister's barber shop :D | 19:49 |
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| ottulo | DeeGee: took me only a couple of seconds as well to pinpoint location | 19:53 |
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| micko_ | how do you change keyboard layout in fingerterm? | 19:55 |
| aupo | micko_: Upper right corner, the = with an extra dash | 19:55 |
| aupo | There's a "vkbd layout" button there. I only had ENG and FI as alternatives, though. | 19:56 |
| micko_ | enough for me :) | 19:56 |
| AL13N_lizzy | does the here maps also have satellite view? | 19:56 |
| AL13N_lizzy | and what about the openstreetmaps? | 19:56 |
| micko_ | thanks. I looked through that menu, but for some reason didn't see that button | 19:56 |
| aupo | Neither did I at first try :) | 19:57 |
| DeeGee | ottulo: Hm, damn. I might have busted GPS. Not that I really need it that often. | 19:58 |
| Yaniel | micko_: you can also add your own layouts to /home/nemo/.config/FingerTerm | 19:58 |
| micko_ | so... now I have shortcut for ssh+screen+irssi ready. | 19:59 |
| AL13N_lizzy | DeeGee: jolla has GPS, Glonass and AGPS... broken GPS is not likely | 19:59 |
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| aupo | DeeGee: No chance of you simply being unreachable, ie. inside a lead box? :) | 19:59 |
| DeeGee | AL13N_lizzy: But they all work with the same chip/antenna. | 19:59 |
| micko_ | this is not as convinient as n900 though. the fingerterms keyboard I mean | 20:00 |
| aupo | micko_: Never tried N900, but I did very much like the landscape-type VKBD | 20:00 |
| micko_ | and mosh would be nice | 20:00 |
| DeeGee | aupo: Tried it at my door, my other devices get solid lock there :) | 20:00 |
| aupo | k :) | 20:00 |
| ShadowJK | First jolla arrived in town yesterday, everyone was wishing for landscape mode so that the keyboard would be more usable, heh | 20:01 |
| micko_ | is making a .desktop-file in /usr/share/applications a good way to add your own shortcuts? | 20:01 |
| aupo | Myup, I got an accurate (about 50-100 meters off) pinpoint in a second, even though I'm inside an apartment building. | 20:02 |
| M4rtinK | micko_: http://modrana.org/misc/sailfish/mosh-1.2.4-1.9.1.armv7hl.rpm | 20:02 |
| aupo | micko_: Yes. | 20:02 |
| M4rtinK | micko_: a few people already reported the package works :) | 20:02 |
| micko_ | M4rtinK: I got that already. I wasn't able to make mosh work with my shortcut | 20:02 |
| atlaz | Stskeeps: Okay so i got a part of it reproduced. I reseted and after install i removed the tutorial-app. This removed the Ambient-folder and all the built in ambients (it left the active one). I then tried to lift the back cover to activate Other half and it installed snow white (and in Gallery there is now an Ambient-folder, but only with Snow white ambient) | 20:02 |
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| M4rtinK | micko_: ah, ok, I need to read more carefully :) | 20:03 |
| micko_ | I get an error: "Insecure $ENV{PATH} while running setgid at /usr/bin/mosh line 204." | 20:04 |
| micko_ | don't know how to solve it yet | 20:04 |
| M4rtinK | no idea, unfortunately | 20:04 |
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| Yaniel | apparently a perl thing | 20:08 |
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| FireFly | Yaniel: how configurable is fingerterm's keyboard wrt. things like modifier keys? Could I bind tab to alt+c or something, say? | 20:13 |
| Eztran | FireFly: doesn't Fingerterm have a Tab key anyway? | 20:13 |
| Yaniel | the default layout has esc, tab, shift, ctrl and alt | 20:14 |
| FireFly | It might do, I'm mostly asking because I figure I might want to add new keys without having to make the keyboard take up more space | 20:14 |
| Jope | it is an xml file | 20:14 |
| Yaniel | FireFly: dunno | 20:14 |
| FireFly | on the N900 I mapped various stuff to altgr+shift+(key), which was pretty useful I found | 20:14 |
| Jope | you can find the location in the about box of fingerterm | 20:14 |
| Jope | just edit that | 20:14 |
| FireFly | hm, okay | 20:14 |
| Jope | however key combos like that are probably easier to do in the menu shortcuts than the vkb | 20:15 |
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| DeeGee | Ah, seems like my gps was just little bit lazy on finding signal. Seems to work now. | 20:15 |
| Jope | not sure whether the vkb can pull off key combo definitions for a single key | 20:15 |
| FireFly | Oh, I meant binding the key combo to produce a key, rather than the other way around | 20:17 |
| FireFly | (produce a keypress, that is) | 20:17 |
| FireFly | I guess maybe it won't be necessary | 20:17 |
| Jope | so .. you type alt+c on the vkb and get a tab? | 20:17 |
| Jope | or what are you saying | 20:17 |
| FireFly | yes, for instance | 20:17 |
| Jope | ok | 20:17 |
| Jope | well that was not a very good example from you - there is a tab key on the fingerterm vkb | 20:18 |
| FireFly | well, fair enough :p | 20:18 |
| Jope | actually you'll find the vkb is very good for shell use already | 20:18 |
| Jope | so you probably will not have to make your life more difficult by tapping two keys to produce one | 20:18 |
| Jope | and if you want to rearrange the qualifiers or tab or esc, it's just an xml file you can edit | 20:18 |
| FireFly | I wonder if I'll get used to the keyboard | 20:18 |
| Jope | you will | 20:18 |
| Jope | what phone are you using now? | 20:18 |
| FireFly | I mean, I'm constantly typoing with my current *hardware* keyboard (on the Nokia E7) because my fingers still want to use fn/shift on the N900's positions | 20:19 |
| Jope | ah | 20:19 |
| FireFly | but maybe the switch to vkb will make my fingers realise it's different .P | 20:19 |
| FireFly | :P* | 20:19 |
| Jope | probably it will | 20:19 |
| Eztran | Possibly - certainly feels a very different thing IMO. | 20:20 |
| Jope | I can't really relate - I've always been quite adaptable to different keyboards | 20:20 |
| Jope | also different keymaps on the same kbd etc.. | 20:20 |
| ottulo | erm | 20:21 |
| ottulo | trying to register on yandex store | 20:21 |
| ottulo | but the captcha won't show up | 20:21 |
| ottulo | on Jolla that is | 20:21 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i've heared this before | 20:21 |
| AL13N_lizzy | *heard | 20:21 |
| ottulo | I think I did too, now that I think about it | 20:21 |
| Jope | IIRC if you change your device language to english, you'll get the captcha | 20:21 |
| ottulo | Jope: I'll try that | 20:22 |
| AL13N_lizzy | right, that was it! | 20:22 |
| MMori | ottulo change phone language to english | 20:22 |
| Jope | never tried the yandex store myself.. I've been sideloading all my APKs from the beginning | 20:22 |
| Jope | http://apps.evozi.com/apk-downloader/ this has been a nice tool :-D | 20:23 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | who is this SimoRuoho dude??? | 20:24 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | that guy is seriously annoying on twitter | 20:24 |
| AL13N_lizzy | repeat the same things every hour or so | 20:24 |
| Jope | I stopped going to twitter | 20:24 |
| Jope | too much hate on the internets | 20:25 |
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| Jope | this channel is surprisingly devoid of hate even though there are many enthusiasts here | 20:25 |
| Jope | so thank you all for that | 20:25 |
| ottulo | yep, switching to English helped | 20:25 |
| AL13N_lizzy | most of the thing i see now on twitter is: "yes, i finally have it" | 20:25 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | Jope: i wouldn't quite say that.... yesterday someone was annoying too | 20:26 |
| AL13N_lizzy | tbr: ping | 20:26 |
| Jope | I didn't say totally devoid :-D | 20:26 |
| AL13N_lizzy | heh | 20:26 |
| Jope | just that there hasn't been as much as in many other places | 20:26 |
| AL13N_lizzy | w00t: ping | 20:26 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | w00t: if you have the time, could you relook @ http://elinux.org/Jolla#Features_possibly_to_be_added_later_.28aka_TODO_list.29 (i already filled in the most which i thought was so, though i don't know for sure) | 20:27 |
| AL13N_lizzy | w00t: also, there was something i needed to remind you, but i forgot what :-) | 20:28 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | can someone with a jolla check if these native apps are already available? http://elinux.org/Jolla#Interesting_native_apps_possibly_in_the_works | 20:30 |
| AL13N_lizzy | also, can someone find out if there's an app using openstreetmap? (preferably native?) | 20:30 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ottulo: you have a Jolla, right? | 20:31 |
| tehdely | anyone know if there are plans to bring swype to jolla | 20:32 |
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| tehdely | if it's using maalit keyboard it should be feasible, no? | 20:32 |
| AL13N_lizzy | what is swype? | 20:32 |
| tehdely | it's an alternative keyboard where you type out words by tracing a path through letters | 20:32 |
| tehdely | it's available for android, symbian, and harmattan | 20:33 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ic | 20:33 |
| tehdely | i'm addicted to it | 20:34 |
| tehdely | i really hate typing without it | 20:34 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | i remember this Qt word input thingy where words scroll over the screen in order of most likely | 20:34 |
| AL13N_lizzy | dashout? or something | 20:35 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | can't remember | 20:35 |
| ottulo | AL13N_lizzy: yep, picked it up today | 20:35 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ottulo: do you have a bit of time to find out these things? | 20:35 |
| ottulo | yeah, let me see | 20:35 |
| AL13N_lizzy | thanks alot | 20:35 |
| ottulo | you want me to check the Jolla Store, right? | 20:35 |
| AL13N_lizzy | native apps, yes | 20:35 |
| ottulo | at least the ones saying ACCEPTED are there | 20:36 |
| ottulo | those I saw earlier | 20:36 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i put accepted there cause i heard it here in-channel | 20:36 |
| ottulo | Morzyn and speedcrunch are also there | 20:36 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ok | 20:36 |
| ottulo | looking for the others atm | 20:36 |
| AL13N_lizzy | any idea who made these? | 20:37 |
| AL13N_lizzy | if not, np | 20:37 |
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| ottulo | ok, the rest are not there | 20:38 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ok, thanks! | 20:38 |
| ottulo | speedrun: qwazix | 20:39 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ottulo: also, do you know if something openstreetmap is available? | 20:39 |
| Venemo | hey | 20:39 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Venemo: yo | 20:39 |
| ottulo | Morzyn: yoktobit | 20:39 |
| ottulo | others are listed on the page you linked | 20:39 |
| ottulo | hey Venemo | 20:39 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Venemo: btw if you're working on something (other than IRC chatter) you can put this here: http://elinux.org/Jolla#Interesting_native_apps_possibly_in_the_works | 20:39 |
| ottulo | any schedule for your IRC client? :D | 20:39 |
| Venemo | ottulo: yes. I scheduled it to when I can take a breath after my exams | 20:40 |
| ottulo | AL13N_lizzy: no openstreetmap clients yet | 20:40 |
| ottulo | Venemo: all right, thanks! | 20:40 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ottulo: not even android (if you know about it? you don't have to look) | 20:41 |
| ottulo | AL13N_lizzy: probably from Yandex, which I installed, or Play Store which can also be installed | 20:41 |
| AL13N_lizzy | btw: it would be nice if there could be some kind of versioning torrent used openstreetmap thing | 20:41 |
| ottulo | no idea if they'll work though | 20:41 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i've been thinking on extending torrent with revision control | 20:42 |
| AL13N_lizzy | for quite a while | 20:42 |
| * AL13N_lizzy is a libbt occasional dev | 20:42 | |
| AL13N_lizzy | in order to offload openstreetmap, there could be using this kind of torrent with revision control... do you think this is a good idea on mobiles? | 20:43 |
| AL13N_lizzy | you would get downloading the maps pretty fast, that would be the advantage | 20:43 |
| AL13N_lizzy | also, an aircrack app would be nice | 20:43 |
| AL13N_lizzy | if you're someplace and there's a bunch of wifi, but no open ones, that it would crack all wifis in the neighbourhood and store it for later use (or current use) | 20:44 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | though i donno if the wifi chip can do injecting | 20:44 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Aard: are you a person who knows such things? | 20:45 |
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| Yaniel | I'm not sure that would pass the "legal" check in harbour (if there is one) | 20:46 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | Yaniel: wardriving is perfectly legal | 20:49 |
| AL13N_lizzy | cracking wifi is also legal if you have permission to do so | 20:49 |
| AL13N_lizzy | (like myself, i work at a linux firm and often we need to do testing with client acceptance) | 20:49 |
| AL13N_lizzy | *audit testing | 20:50 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Yaniel: ^^ | 20:50 |
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| ccha4 | oh got the email shipping | 20:51 |
| Yaniel | whatever | 20:51 |
| Yaniel | yeah audit testing is one thing | 20:51 |
| AL13N_lizzy | you'd be surprised at how often i need to do this | 20:51 |
| AL13N_lizzy | and sometimes even during meetings, so a phone would definately help | 20:51 |
| Yaniel | depends a lot on where you are but "all wifis in the neighbourhood" seems a little too broad for "have permission" | 20:52 |
| AL13N_lizzy | it's very funny when you ask for wifi and they tell you, i don't know the password, we would have to check, and then as a gimmick we can crack their wifi to show how insecure it is | 20:52 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | Yaniel: i meant that for wardriving | 20:52 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Yaniel: of course, you'd still need to attack specific targets with confirmation | 20:53 |
| ccha4 | Ship (P/U) date : Thur 12/12/2013 16:52 and Estimated delivery : Fri 13/12/2013 | 20:53 |
| AL13N_lizzy | just cracking every wifi you come accross would not exactly be legal | 20:53 |
| ccha4 | hum too optimist I think | 20:53 |
| ccha4 | FI to FR | 20:54 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ccha4: out of sheer unnecessary interest what's the order nr? | 20:54 |
| Aard | AL13N_lizzy: should be doable | 20:54 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Aard: thanks! | 20:54 |
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| Yaniel | speaking of wifi | 20:54 |
| Yaniel | what about eap? | 20:54 |
| Yaniel | some quick googling seems to indicate connman supports it | 20:55 |
| AL13N_lizzy | does the firmware support it? | 20:55 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | i assume jolla has the "iw" command | 20:55 |
| Yaniel | yep | 20:56 |
| AL13N_lizzy | i once configured a wifi chip to have several different modes at the same time | 20:56 |
| ortylp | ccha4: what is the order of magnitude of your order number? | 20:56 |
| ccha4 | 388 | 20:56 |
| macmaN | it's shipppppppppiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing | 20:56 |
| AL13N_lizzy | 2 different channels (but close enough) managed, 3 master, 1 adhoc and 1 monitor :-) | 20:56 |
| ortylp | ccha4: thanks... my is >1500 :( | 20:57 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ccha4: huh, shipping only now? | 20:57 |
| AL13N_lizzy | maybe they went through finnish orders already | 20:57 |
| ccha4 | 17:54Left FedEx origin facility VANTAA FI | 20:58 |
| Eztran | If so, that's a good sign. | 20:58 |
| ccha4 | 21:50In transit STOCKHOLM-ARLANDA S | 20:58 |
| AL13N_lizzy | heh, i got a new section; http://elinux.org/Jolla#Cool_Ideas.2C_but_No_Time_aka_CINT | 20:58 |
| Nicd- | I'll put in a couple | 20:59 |
| ccha4 | I think I will get my phone sarturday | 20:59 |
| Nicd- | well I can't | 20:59 |
| Yaniel | AL13N_lizzy: what should I look for in iw list? | 20:59 |
| Nicd- | AL13N_lizzy: can you put in AGTL port (geocaching) and battery graph port? | 20:59 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | Yaniel: you want do to master mode? | 21:01 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Nicd-: are those apps? | 21:01 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Nicd-: for the interesting apps in the works, or the CINT section :-) | 21:02 |
| Yaniel | I want to connect to my university's wlan, which is wpa-eap | 21:02 |
| Nicd- | AL13N_lizzy: yes | 21:02 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Nicd-: if it's the CINT section, you should do that yourself :-) | 21:02 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Yaniel: ah | 21:02 |
| Nicd- | I don't have permission | 21:02 |
| Nicd- | can't be arsed to make any more accounts | 21:02 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | Nicd-: anyone can make account | 21:02 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Nicd-: i understand, but since you also can't be arsed to make the app, i can't be arsed to put it in for you :-) | 21:03 |
| Nicd- | :D | 21:03 |
| AL13N_lizzy | besides, at least this way the history tells people who actually put it in ;-) | 21:03 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Nicd-: if you're gonna be helping with community, you might as well make an account for this :-) | 21:04 |
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| Nicd- | maybe I should | 21:05 |
| AL13N_lizzy | 6 people already put in something | 21:05 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | btw: if anyone sees faenil or tbr: tell them i'm looking for them (w00t also) | 21:07 |
| Nicd- | I added them | 21:07 |
| AL13N_lizzy | nice :-) | 21:07 |
| faenil | AL13N_lizzy, what :D | 21:07 |
| AL13N_lizzy | oh, you're here | 21:07 |
| AL13N_lizzy | oops | 21:07 |
| faenil | AL13N_lizzy, I'm just back from the office, please no tasks :) | 21:07 |
| faenil | (studying for university now) | 21:07 |
| AL13N_lizzy | ah | 21:07 |
| AL13N_lizzy | just to ask if you spoke with tbr | 21:07 |
| AL13N_lizzy | probably not yet | 21:08 |
| AL13N_lizzy | in that case i'll ask tbr myself | 21:08 |
| AL13N_lizzy | if i see him | 21:08 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Nicd-: btw: if you see any other inaccuracies on the page, you can correct them, eg: i'm missing some links to bugtrackers from upstream | 21:09 |
| AL13N_lizzy | (or if you don't agree) | 21:09 |
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| faenil | AL13N_lizzy, no I haven't | 21:15 |
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| Yaniel | AL13N_lizzy: so what should I look for in iw list for eap? | 21:20 |
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| faenil | ccha4, fwiw, when I got the n950 from nokia, it took like 16h to get from FI to Italy ;) | 21:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | tbr: faenil told i may can be usefull | 21:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | may be* | 21:23 |
| * ZogG_laptop slaps faenil | 21:23 | |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, we still don't know if tbr has a server for our purposes though :P | 21:23 |
| faenil | hey! | 21:24 |
| * faenil looks for a large trout | 21:24 | |
| ZogG_laptop | server for what? | 21:24 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, for what we want to do? | 21:24 |
| * ZogG_laptop slaps south park style | 21:24 | |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: i'm not sure | 21:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: i might be baugtracker | 21:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | might be forum | 21:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | might be wiki | 21:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | might be anyting | 21:25 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, I think bugtracker is what we need, what most people here have been complaining about | 21:25 |
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| ZogG_laptop | it's not to shut people up :P | 21:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | we need to talk what that both sides decide | 21:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | but i'm ok to help in any decision at what i can | 21:26 |
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| faenil | ZogG_laptop, shut people up? | 21:26 |
| faenil | of course you do what people want most | 21:26 |
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| ottulo | oh, right | 21:30 |
| ottulo | forgot to tell feedback from my dad | 21:30 |
| ottulo | he called me and said the sound is loud and clear, and not "metallic" at all | 21:30 |
| ottulo | so gj on the mic :) | 21:30 |
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| * Bysmyyr got tracking number! | 21:34 | |
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| Nicd- | yaaay | 21:34 |
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| ZogG_laptop | faenil: i'm here for a while, tbr ca nping me | 21:36 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, yeah, I haven't heard him today though :/ | 21:37 |
| FireFly | Oh hey, a mail, cool | 21:37 |
| FireFly | Stskeeps: I got Fedex btw, and I'm in Sweden if that matters | 21:38 |
| ZogG_laptop | still nothing | 21:38 |
| ZogG_laptop | i mean at my side | 21:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | preordered second day :\ | 21:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | paid the day got email | 21:39 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, it's very strange that it's been in picking for 2 days... | 21:39 |
| Stskeeps | FireFly: yeah, there was somebody confusing the matter by getting his privately sent (not jolla) and getting it stopped in airport for batteries.. | 21:39 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, are you sure your friend hasn't received the package already? :D | 21:39 |
| pdanek | "We had lots of unexpected technical challenges in the shipping process. Some of you have not yet received your tracking number or device and for that we are truly sorry. We know you believe in us and we are working hard to meet your expectations." | 21:40 |
| FireFly | Stskeeps: aha | 21:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: it's stillin "paid" | 21:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | not picking or shipped | 21:40 |
| FireFly | Hey, that was quick. Apparently it's in Arlanda already | 21:40 |
| FireFly | (the Stockholm airport) | 21:40 |
| pdanek | Does it mean, that they didn't send it yet, or there is a possibility, that it was shipped already, just tracking number not given? | 21:40 |
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| ZogG_laptop | pdanek: both | 21:41 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, ah :/ but it seems they're already beyond that number, right? :/ | 21:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | but there is nothing then wait | 21:41 |
| faenil | maybe there's been some issue with something about your order, don't know :/ | 21:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil: i don't know | 21:41 |
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| ZogG_laptop | faenil: that's make me nerveous | 21:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | is it me or it's just not my turn yet | 21:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | :P | 21:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | i'm 20000194X | 21:42 |
| ShadowJK | supposedly they're not following the 1xxxxxxx and 2xxxxxxx numbers | 21:42 |
| * ShadowJK shrugs :P | 21:43 | |
| FireFly | Based on that spreadsheet it seems they are, maybe | 21:43 |
| pdanek | #200003000 | 21:43 |
| Eztran | Well, maybe not exactly, but I remember seeing about 4 or 5 8xx's get sorted within a couple hours at one point. | 21:43 |
| ShadowJK | A guy who preordered before me got bigger number than I did | 21:43 |
| avey | hey, is it possible to set an android browser as standard browser? i have trouble with an android app that wants authorization from a website. i think the switch to sailfish browser interrupts the process/ gives an error | 21:43 |
| FireFly | I'm fairly sure the 200000xxx numbers are in payment order | 21:44 |
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| ShadowJK | yeah | 21:44 |
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| ZogG_laptop | FireFly: they follow payment order and not preorder | 21:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | as i get there were wave of mails of notices | 21:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | but it send from X date to y | 21:45 |
| phlixi | hi | 21:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | and order is based on final payment | 21:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | i think so | 21:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | but we wait | 21:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | today i'm in good mood | 21:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | and i think the mail they sent was late but good move | 21:46 |
| phlixi | i tried to fix the function in this "special" gdocs spreadshett, but its unusable for me :( can somone create me a blank sheet? i do not have an account :( | 21:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | really liked it | 21:46 |
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| ortylp | I am #2000015XX | 22:03 |
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| ZogG_laptop | ortylp: got some updates on status? | 22:06 |
| ortylp | ZogG_laptop: no, only an email today, that I will receive an email... | 22:07 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Eztran: where di you gentals go? | 22:09 |
| ZogG_laptop | you ahd _ before :P | 22:09 |
| ortylp | ZogG_laptop: and 2013 ends for me next week on 20.12, everything after that is January 2014 :( | 22:09 |
| Eztran | ZogG_laptop: I'd say 'I don't like leaving a _' but considering what you just said it'd sound weird now. :) | 22:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | ortylp: if i don't get it before the friend from that address leave country for some time and i may end with it only at summer | 22:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | :P | 22:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | Eztran: :D | 22:10 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, when does he leave? | 22:11 |
| ZogG_laptop | before NY | 22:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | but holidays are holiday | 22:12 |
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| ortylp | ZogG_laptop: OK, you won :P | 22:12 |
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| ZogG_laptop | ortylp: the best thing if he gets before he would visit me for few days and i get with out extra post | 22:13 |
| ZogG_laptop | fingers crossed | 22:13 |
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| Morpog_Mobile | Stskeeps: as you asked, no tracking code yet | 22:30 |
| AL13N_lizzy | Yaniel: iw has some kind of encryption mode which you can set, though it could be that you need a helper program first, like wpa_supplicant | 22:31 |
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| AL13N_lizzy | faenil: gonna go sleep, if you get agreement from nemo or tbr, it would be nice to have it; we should send all bugs also to a bugs-mailing list maybe bugs@lists.sailfish.org or something, and have a separate alien dalvik section, then we can twitter and ask for volunteers for triaging bugs, and preferably have some kind of mail scrip that picks the confirmed issues in top priority (first 10) and all new ones from today, and mail da | 22:35 |
| faenil | AL13N_lizzy, yeah, I'm going to bed too | 22:35 |
| faenil | we'll try again tomorrow evening | 22:35 |
| AL13N_lizzy | hopefully this would suffice for stskeeps, w00t, special, and possibly lpotter too | 22:36 |
| AL13N_lizzy | faenil: night | 22:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | bad for weak | 22:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | night | 22:37 |
| ortylp | night | 22:39 |
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| pdanek | Did you love Gmail years ago? | 23:35 |
| pdanek | When it was still in beta? | 23:35 |
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| ZogG_laptop | pdanek: yes. before e understood they are using us nad not use their services | 23:40 |
| pdanek | ZogG_laptop: so what's your email now? | 23:42 |
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| ZogG_laptop | still gmail | 23:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | today is or to use own server or to be used by others | 23:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | i can use my own | 23:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | so i'm used | 23:43 |
| pdanek | ZogG_laptop: why only those 2 options? | 23:43 |
| pdanek | ZogG_laptop: these are many great webmail solutions out there | 23:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | give me an example for other option | 23:43 |
| pdanek | ZogG_laptop: FastMail.fm | 23:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | pdanek: they all use you and your data | 23:43 |
| pdanek | no | 23:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | google once was good too | 23:43 |
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| ZogG_laptop | i'm paranoic | 23:44 |
| pdanek | use FastMail | 23:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | so we wouldn;t argue here :D | 23:44 |
| pdanek | I found it to be best alternative to gmail | 23:44 |
| pdanek | it even surpasses it | 23:44 |
| Oni^ | pipemail? | 23:44 |
| pdanek | you can try free trial | 23:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | i'm still thinking of own one | 23:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | i know stuff worths moeny | 23:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | but internet feels to be free | 23:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's not owned by anyone | 23:46 |
| pdanek | right | 23:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | mail is one | 23:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | photos is two | 23:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | contacts is free | 23:46 |
| pdanek | well, if you want good webmail, you pay | 23:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | and so on | 23:46 |
| pdanek | internet is not free | 23:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | so i find better to get own server | 23:46 |
| pdanek | it's for everyone, not free | 23:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | own jabber | 23:46 |
| pdanek | fastmail has jabber too | 23:47 |
| pdanek | on your domain | 23:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | still thinking of getting my own :P | 23:47 |
| pdanek | Do you know ejabberd? | 23:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | yeap | 23:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | even set it | 23:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | and used | 23:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | not for personal use | 23:48 |
| pdanek | the same company that develops ejabberd offers public xmpp service, even on your own domain! | 23:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | but on work as rnd for something | 23:48 |
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| ZogG_laptop | if data is not at my computer - it's already not my data | 23:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | that's my point | 23:48 |
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| ZogG_laptop | once you uploaded something in internet it's not yours | 23:49 |
| pdanek | you can enable out of record messaging in xmpp clients | 23:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | i don't think i would pay someone to protect my data while they themselves have access to it | 23:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | they even can be honest | 23:49 |
| pdanek | I believe this is too paranoid, it's like: do you have bank account? | 23:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | but if some other company would want it they can ask for it legaly | 23:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | i have nothing to hide | 23:50 |
| pdanek | me neither | 23:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | but still the feeling is here | 23:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | like it's nothing secret here, but it's still my personal | 23:50 |
| pdanek | but I believe, good quality cloud service by trustful company may be good option | 23:50 |
| pdanek | it's like putting money into bank account, instead of having cash at home | 23:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | we see NSA proves wrong | 23:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's bad thing | 23:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | cards | 23:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | but you see it's more matirial worldd | 23:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | and as i look around i don;t like what we become | 23:51 |
| pdanek | hm | 23:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | you can't fight it | 23:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | as for material you need to eat so work so paid, you have to have account if you get proper moeny | 23:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | the system | 23:51 |
| pdanek | right | 23:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | globalization | 23:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | no small shops | 23:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | huge networks | 23:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | they evolving from personal to global | 23:52 |
| pdanek | and richer get richer | 23:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | and the fight is lost | 23:52 |
| pdanek | rich get richer* | 23:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | i mean things can change but not that easy | 23:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | while internet goes other way | 23:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | access and technology is getting better | 23:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | opensource is slowly winning | 23:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | as globalization in knowledge and not in power | 23:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | encyptions | 23:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | people givin answers for privacy | 23:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | build opensource programs | 23:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | they do not want control in internet like they want | 23:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | wait | 23:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | last sentence make no sense | 23:54 |
| pdanek | or... we end up in cyberpunk scenario in 50 years, in world ruled by Google or some other corporation :) | 23:54 |
| pdanek | and there will be no place to hide | 23:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | no | 23:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | people want personalization on internet | 23:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | and technology and information | 23:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | that's what makes us human | 23:55 |
| pdanek | majority still goes with comfort | 23:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | yeah | 23:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | but you see, bubble always blow | 23:55 |
| pdanek | and even if people "speak" about privacy a lot recently | 23:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | resources are always limited | 23:55 |
| pdanek | the same people still continue using the same, because of comfort | 23:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | history is always repeating itself | 23:56 |
| pdanek | like look at you, still on Gmail.... then what should normal user do | 23:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | the point is that more people aware of it and think and slowly move to more private first maybe after their own services | 23:56 |
| pdanek | I'm the same.... I kept coming back to gmail because I used it for years and I'm comfortable with it | 23:57 |
| pdanek | true | 23:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | and look at iphone and android | 23:57 |
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| ZogG_laptop | even jolla | 23:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | how impatience we to get device :P | 23:57 |
| pdanek | :D true | 23:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | iphone - they know it's shitty but people stay in line for it | 23:58 |
| pdanek | btw I loved Google in the past, I was so excited when 1st Android phone was coming out | 23:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | because they know to sell it | 23:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | and that's what's wrong | 23:58 |
| pdanek | I love Apple presentations!!!!! It's like a good movie! | 23:58 |
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| ZogG_laptop | btw south park liek always had great episode | 23:58 |
| pdanek | I never used apple products but I watch every single of their product announcements and presentations :D | 23:58 |
| pdanek | new episode out? | 23:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | and as i thin kafter talking to you, it's might be slightly related to what we talk | 23:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | it was about photosop | 23:59 |
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| pdanek | ah new episode!!!!!!!!!!!! | 23:59 |
| pdanek | screw you guys... I'm going to watch | 23:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | hahaha | 23:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | they sold their game in last 3 pretty cool | 23:59 |
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| ZogG_laptop | i already want to buy it | 23:59 |
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