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| blap | this is a fun os | 04:46 |
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| blap | despite making me deal with rpms | 04:46 |
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| louisdk | I'm looking for documentation for the mctool implementation used by SailfishOS. The "-i, -E, -z amd -z proximity" is only briefly specified with the --help option and not mentioned in the man page of mantool. | 10:49 |
| r0kk3rz | louisdk: https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/mce/tree/master | 10:52 |
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| hahlo | btw is sailfishos and mer any related to each other? | 10:54 |
| coderus | hahlo: they are friends | 10:55 |
| r0kk3rz | friends? more like brothers | 10:56 |
| coderus | like one of them to sacrifice organs for transplantation to other | 10:59 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah, like that | 11:00 |
| hahlo | cool | 11:10 |
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| hahlo | but maemo ain't same family tree? | 11:11 |
| coderus | hahlo: it's like gradpa | 11:11 |
| hahlo | but its a .deb, and sailfishos is .rpm? | 11:13 |
| coderus | hahlo: so what? | 11:13 |
| r0kk3rz | thats just a packaging format | 11:14 |
| coderus | it is the choice of an adult, no one will judge | 11:14 |
| hahlo | usually distributions are deb or rpm | 11:14 |
| hahlo | like fedora and debian | 11:14 |
| r0kk3rz | well it makes no sense to do both | 11:15 |
| hahlo | and apt or yum only things which differs linuxes each others, same kernel | 11:19 |
| r0kk3rz | eh, not quite | 11:19 |
| hahlo | what else? | 11:20 |
| r0kk3rz | but anyway, packaging formats and tools aside, theres a lot of meego specific stuff in mer and subsequently sailfish | 11:20 |
| r0kk3rz | and indeed mer and sailfish was created by people who worked on maemo and meego | 11:21 |
| hahlo | ain't meego just desktop? | 11:21 |
| r0kk3rz | no? meego was nokia n9 | 11:22 |
| hahlo | its maemo harmattan | 11:22 |
| hahlo | and almost debian | 11:23 |
| r0kk3rz | same thing | 11:23 |
| hahlo | but sailfishos ain't debian | 11:24 |
| r0kk3rz | no | 11:24 |
| hahlo | so its not related to maemo? exept maybe some qt similarities? | 11:25 |
| r0kk3rz | it depends on what you mean by 'related', but in general a lot of stuff remained at Nokia and needed to be rebuilt | 11:28 |
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| hahlo | but nokia ain't owned apt or deb and such they were free | 11:33 |
| LarstiQ | eh? | 11:33 |
| r0kk3rz | obviously i wasnt talking about apt or deb... | 11:34 |
| hahlo | ok | 11:34 |
| r0kk3rz | why did they change to rpm + packagkit? no idea. but its still the same software | 11:34 |
| hahlo | yes kind liked maemo | 11:35 |
| hahlo | I knew its head designer, small group did it, n770 was first and n9 last | 11:36 |
| r0kk3rz | then if you can overlook the whole packaging issue, you'd probably like sailfish os | 11:37 |
| hahlo | yeah could be | 11:38 |
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| LarstiQ | .rpm/.deb style packaging isn't a great fit in any case | 11:41 |
| hahlo | probably not | 11:50 |
| hahlo | but I heard that conversation about 2002 when they decide to use deb and debian base | 11:52 |
| hahlo | but I don't know why rpm? | 11:52 |
| tbr | politics, essentially | 11:56 |
| hahlo | ah okey | 11:57 |
| * LarstiQ wouldn't mind hearing about that | 11:58 | |
| tbr | basically it's an artifact of the maemo+moblin→meego traincrash integration | 11:58 |
| tbr | moblin was using rpm, intel won. | 11:58 |
| hahlo | okey I didn't know that | 11:59 |
| LarstiQ | I see | 11:59 |
| hahlo | Is it also politics that they don't loud native apps like whatsup? | 12:04 |
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| LarstiQ | eh? | 12:12 |
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| hahlo | ain't there couple native whatsup apps which whatsup company doesn't accept? | 12:14 |
| hahlo | and have use android one | 12:14 |
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| jvd_ | heh.. we where using moblin which we converted to deb with a script because of one of the senior guys didn`t like rpm | 12:54 |
| pavi[m] | I also dont like rpm, prefer deb | 12:59 |
| pavi[m] | Maemo N900 those were the days. | 12:59 |
| hahlo | yes! | 13:02 |
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| r0kk3rz | why do you care? they both seem to get the job done | 13:03 |
| hahlo | just curious | 13:05 |
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| hahlo | yes alien-dalvik support is good, I raise my hat to one who done it | 13:07 |
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| hahlo | was it stskeeps? | 13:11 |
| blap | i think the only android app i care about is mapfactor navigator for offline maps | 13:11 |
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| nickg222 | Hi all. Now that Jolla have provided instructions on how to flash an Xperia device from Linux, I decided to switch over to an Xperia X device from my old Fairphone 2 also running Sailfish. I now have Sailfish on the Xperia X and want to move my data from the old Fairphone 2 over. | 13:32 |
| nickg222 | I don't have a memory card to hand, and I don't want to use Dropbox. Instead I have a Thinkpad running Ubuntu, and a USB cable. After using Settings->Backup from the GUI to make a backup, I enabled developer mode on both devices and used SSH to copy the /home/nemo/.vault directory over to the Thinkpad, and then from there to the Xperia X. I thought I would then be able to go to Settings->Backup on the Xperia X and see the backu | 13:35 |
| nickg222 | Instead, after selecting Settings->Backup, the GUI tells me "There is no memory card or cloud storage account". I never had either of those on the Fairphone 2, but the GUI allowed me to make a backup without telling me off for not having either of those things. Can anyone help me restore my data on my new device? | 13:35 |
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| coderus | pavi[m]: deb dpkg status is a mess | 13:52 |
| coderus | rpm using rpmdb to store status | 13:53 |
| pavi[m] | what does ubuntu or debian use then? broken statuses? | 13:53 |
| coderus | desktop doesnt have problem when your device shuts down unexpectedly and your cool fancy megabytes looong dpkg status text file is broken | 13:56 |
| coderus | with rpmdb you can easily repair problems, with dpkg you in a problem | 13:57 |
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| Acou_Bass | nickg222: i know its a bit of a 'hacky' solution, but can you not just scp the .vault to the new device? (i doubt itd work out very well... but figured id ask) | 14:04 |
| Acou_Bass | or even go absolutely nuts and do scp /home/nemo/* newdeviceip:/home/nemo/ :P | 14:05 |
| nickg222 | Acou_Bass: I've been able to copy .vault onto the new device. The problem is that the new device doesn't seem to notice it when I go to Settings->Backup | 14:06 |
| r0kk3rz | hahlo: alien-dalvik was licenced from myriad group | 14:09 |
| nickg222 | Acou_Bass: the potential problem with just copying /home/nemo is that the Fairphone 2 is running an old version of Sailfish (2.0.1.11), and I worry that data formats may have changed | 14:10 |
| nickg222 | I wish Sailfish would try to use text files for all this data, it would make everything much more obvious | 14:11 |
| LarstiQ | nickg222: in particular vault is no longer used for backups | 14:12 |
| nickg222 | LarstiQ: that explains a lot!!! | 14:13 |
| LarstiQ | r0kk3rz: imo, rpm building is awful awful | 14:13 |
| r0kk3rz | LarstiQ: and deb building is better somehow? | 14:16 |
| Acou_Bass | ahh true | 14:16 |
| LarstiQ | r0kk3rz: yes | 14:16 |
| Acou_Bass | nickg222: well im keeping my eye open for a solution as im in a similar situation (my old device is a nexus 4 not a FP though) | 14:17 |
| LarstiQ | r0kk3rz: still, I'd go ostree or somesuch in the mobile space | 14:18 |
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| r0kk3rz | LarstiQ: iirc there was a dependency on uboot for that one | 14:19 |
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| LarstiQ | r0kk3rz: for ostree? | 14:20 |
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| r0kk3rz | yup | 14:22 |
| LarstiQ | r0kk3rz: are you thinking of https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/BootLoaderSpec/ ? | 14:22 |
| LarstiQ | it's just that you need to choose which tree to boot into | 14:22 |
| nickg222 | Acou_Bass: I think I'm going to go and buy a MicroSD card, and since I use the Notes app a lot, I'll stop using the standard Notes app in favour of an open source alternative that uses plain text files | 14:25 |
| Acou_Bass | fair enough | 14:26 |
| nickg222 | I wish all the Sailfish apps were open source so we could just fork them to make them use sensible data formats | 14:26 |
| LarstiQ | hmm, are there any Sailfish native org-mode apps? | 14:26 |
| Acou_Bass | i dont really use the notes app enough to require it synced... and really that goes for most of my phone usage, so my migration strategy isnt crazily difficult like yours | 14:26 |
| Acou_Bass | LarstiQ: i wish! | 14:26 |
| Acou_Bass | emacs is available in mer-tools i think but eh, its a bit awkward on mobile | 14:27 |
| nickg222 | LarstiQ: don't know, but that would be nice | 14:27 |
| LarstiQ | nickg222: most of what you want should be in your homedir, you could just rsync that | 14:27 |
| LarstiQ | Acou_Bass: right :) | 14:27 |
| Acou_Bass | ive got a hardware keyboard case for my nexus 4 which gives it an almost n900-like setup so i can use emacslike that | 14:27 |
| Acou_Bass | but id still prefer a dedicated org-mode app | 14:28 |
| nickg222 | LarstiQ: I might copy the Notes stuff over, but I don't know where the phone numbers live | 14:28 |
| Acou_Bass | cant you store phone numbers on your SIM card and just use the old sim in the ne wphone? | 14:28 |
| Acou_Bass | thats how ive done it for the 5+ years ive been using this sim card XD | 14:29 |
| nickg222 | Acou_Bass: that's what I thought, but I can't figure it out | 14:29 |
| nickg222 | this stuff should just work :( | 14:29 |
| Acou_Bass | i dunno ive just always had contacts stored on my sim card and its never been a thing ive had to figure out | 14:30 |
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| LarstiQ | nickg222: contacts.db | 14:33 |
| nickg222 | LarstiQ: thanks, do you know the full path? | 14:33 |
| LarstiQ | nickg222: find ~/.local -name contacts.db | 14:34 |
| LarstiQ | .local/share/system/Contacts somewhere | 14:34 |
| nickg222 | LarstiQ: got it, thanks. This was made harder by the fact that the left hand side of my Fairphone 2 no longer registers touch events, so anything on the left of the onscreen keyboard doesn't work! | 14:40 |
| LarstiQ | ouch | 14:40 |
| * LarstiQ has a broken touchscreen, but happily on a phone with a working otg port, so usb mouse solves it | 14:40 | |
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| nickg222 | LarstiQ: a usb mouse! | 14:46 |
| LarstiQ | yes :) | 14:46 |
| nickg222 | anyway, the contacts file is at /home/nemo/.local/share/system/Contacts/qtcontacts-sqlite/contacts.db | 14:46 |
| LarstiQ | nickg222: also, you can ssh in | 14:46 |
| nickg222 | I hope the format of the SQLite db file remained the same between versions | 14:46 |
| Acou_Bass | i still reckon my favourite (non-mouse) input device was the sort of keyboard nipple-style thing blackberry's had | 14:46 |
| Acou_Bass | that thing worked so well | 14:46 |
| Acou_Bass | should make a phone that has a 'button' at the bottom like iphones except its a blackberry touch-mouse-nipple-thing (i dont know what they called it) | 14:47 |
| r0kk3rz | nickg222: cant get a new screen? | 14:48 |
| nickg222 | r0kk3rz: possibly, but I knew the official Xperia X port was coming out, so I was happy to just switch from the Fairphone 2 to something official | 14:49 |
| nickg222 | right, off to buy a MicroSD card | 14:50 |
| Acou_Bass | cant you use that OTG port to plug in a USB thumb drive? :P or doesnt the Xperia have OTG? | 14:50 |
| nickg222 | I have to pop out anyway, so may as well buy a card while I'm out | 14:51 |
| r0kk3rz | Acou_Bass: that doesnt get mounted like ad sdcard though | 14:52 |
| Acou_Bass | ahh right | 14:52 |
| Acou_Bass | ive never really used otg so dunno how that stuff works :P | 14:52 |
| hahlo | btw is sailfishos gpl2? | 14:54 |
| tbr | there is no "one" license for it | 14:58 |
| tbr | most of the Mer core should be GPLv2 (zero GPLv3), BSD and such | 14:58 |
| tbr | The Sailfish specific things like silica and "differentiators" are all proprietary and not open source | 14:58 |
| tbr | despite repeated and ongoing promises to open source things | 14:59 |
| hahlo | ok good to know | 15:01 |
| hahlo | so when you buy sailfishos X you can't distribute it or install in many phones | 15:03 |
| LarstiQ | hahlo: you're free to do so with the community port, but not with the licensed content, no | 15:05 |
| hahlo | ok thanks | 15:05 |
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| nickg222 | right, I'm back with a microSD card | 17:40 |
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| nickg222 | Looks like Sailfish 2.0.1.11 uses a completely different format for backup files | 17:41 |
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| nickg222 | than the lastest Sailfish version on my Xperia X | 17:41 |
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| nickg222 | the latest format looks to be a tar of the contents of the .vault directory created by the old Backup functionality | 17:42 |
| hahlo | btw is sailfishos x same than jolla has? | 17:42 |
| nickg222 | wouldn't it be nice if this was open source and text files based | 17:43 |
| nickg222 | than I wouldn't have to be wasting my time just moving my data across | 17:43 |
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| hahlo | I have bought and flashed it in xperia, but haven't yet studied it I also have jolla with kiiminkijoki, look same but I don't know if it | 17:46 |
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| r0kk3rz | hahlo: of course its the same | 17:53 |
| hahlo | ok | 17:53 |
| hahlo | but diffrent kernel? | 17:55 |
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| r0kk3rz | yeah, newer kernel, bluez5 | 17:56 |
| hahlo | ok | 17:56 |
| hahlo | will nfc work later? | 17:57 |
| r0kk3rz | it depends on how jolla wants to make it work, the kernel doesnt really have support for the NFC chip | 17:58 |
| r0kk3rz | so they could integrate android libnfc, or write a kernel driver for it | 17:58 |
| hahlo | ok I see | 17:59 |
| r0kk3rz | same kinda deal with the fingerprint sensor, theres no clear way to go about it | 18:00 |
| hahlo | ok | 18:01 |
| mal | r0kk3rz: through libhybris it should not be too difficult | 18:05 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah if they want to go down that road | 18:06 |
| mal | of course native way would be better but not sure how easy | 18:07 |
| r0kk3rz | on the nfc side the hci driver for the earlier version doesnt look that difficult | 18:07 |
| hahlo | n9 has somekind of nfc too | 18:07 |
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| r0kk3rz | as does jolla phone | 18:17 |
| hahlo | Jolla 1 or C? | 18:18 |
| r0kk3rz | 1 | 18:22 |
| r0kk3rz | C lacks hardware | 18:22 |
| hahlo | cool I have 1 | 18:23 |
| nickg222 | anyone here interested in the Purism phone? https://puri.sm/shop/librem-5/ | 18:29 |
| nickg222 | apparently it's going to be real open source | 18:29 |
| hahlo | nice project | 18:31 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah you'll feel the open sores every time you use it i think | 18:32 |
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| hahlo | I had openmoko | 18:33 |
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| kimmoli | with i.mx you need to have your charger handy all the time | 18:35 |
| r0kk3rz | kimmoli: freedom isnt free | 18:36 |
| kimmoli | i'll be prepared. i just bought 10x 10Ah usb powerbanks | 18:37 |
| kimmoli | one for every pocket | 18:38 |
| r0kk3rz | kimmoli: amateur, wheres the 18650 backpack? | 18:40 |
| kimmoli | i have 2 of those, but 48V output | 18:40 |
| nekron | @all: Can the Sony logo at boot changed or is it inside aboot regarding Sailfish X? | 18:40 |
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| nickg222 | Well, in the end I managed to import my old contacts, but I couldn't get my stuff from Notes across. My notes were in an SQL file which I just converted into a text file on my laptop | 18:56 |
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| nickg222 | I thought I'd switch from Notes to using a text editor, but it looks like Editor and TinyEdit have problems saving files on the latest version of Sailfish | 18:58 |
| nickg222 | So it looks like I'm stuck with Notes for new notes, my old notes will be on my laptop, and once a text editor is available I'll switch to that | 18:58 |
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| r0kk3rz | whats wrong with sqlite? | 19:03 |
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| blap | notes started with PLATO | 21:51 |
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