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| dr_gogeta86 | coderus, why not choose hyper-v for vbox ... last version can do it | 07:30 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | afaik | 07:30 |
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| coderus | dr_gogeta86: i'll try, thanks | 07:30 |
| coderus | dr_gogeta86: just erad articles, says vbox can't hyper-v, and dockers says so | 07:30 |
| coderus | (yes, Dockes literally says if you enable hyper-v, vbox stops working) | 07:31 |
| dr_gogeta86 | and why you can choose it on vbox preferences | 07:31 |
| coderus | dr_gogeta86: okay, i'll check it later today, thanks | 07:33 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i think is a broken feature | 07:33 |
| dr_gogeta86 | btw why use vbox for sailfish sdk ? | 07:34 |
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| TheBootroo|work | ohai | 07:34 |
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| TheBootroo|work | i was wondering, what is the average QA validation time on Harbour these days ? | 07:34 |
| TheBootroo|work | are there still full time resources dedicated to QA at Jolla ] | 07:35 |
| TheBootroo|work | ? | 07:35 |
| coderus | dr_gogeta86: windoze | 07:35 |
| dr_gogeta86 | are you using windows at innopolis ? | 07:36 |
| dr_gogeta86 | or just for gaming reasons | 07:36 |
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| coderus | dr_gogeta86: yeah :P | 07:37 |
| coderus | dr_gogeta86: just built good gaming pc | 07:38 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i'm talking about ... why not dockerize sdk | 07:39 |
| dr_gogeta86 | nowadays are native on windows / osx and linux of course | 07:39 |
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| coderus | dr_gogeta86: yeah i'm actually trying to do so, using mersdk in docker on my linux setup | 07:40 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | there was a blog from quasarmx dev | 07:42 |
| dr_gogeta86 | just tar the rootfs | 07:42 |
| dr_gogeta86 | you are done | 07:43 |
| coderus | dr_gogeta86: yep | 07:51 |
| coderus | coderus: dr_gogeta86 so i'll try to do same on windoxe | 07:51 |
| coderus | coderus: but my current problemo is mersdk root key is rejected :D right after freshly installed, can;t even login to it | 07:52 |
| * coderus wondering why i'm talking to myself | 07:52 | |
| dr_gogeta86 | inject it | 07:52 |
| * coderus who's there? | 07:52 | |
| dr_gogeta86 | ;-) | 07:52 |
| TheBootroo|work | lol | 07:52 |
| dr_gogeta86 | ssh -v | 07:52 |
| coderus | dr_gogeta86: yeah i guess i can do this in guest root shell | 07:53 |
| coderus | dr_gogeta86: but i'll try to reinstall it first | 07:53 |
| coderus | dr_gogeta86: windoxze way, whatever... | 07:53 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | coderus, et all sailors ... we need to create some sort of kanban of public things to do | 07:58 |
| coderus | dr_gogeta86: create doard on trello | 07:58 |
| dr_gogeta86 | is better to share with sailors and omps | 07:59 |
| coderus | dr_gogeta86: you can make it public | 08:00 |
| dr_gogeta86 | http://restya.com/board | 08:02 |
| dr_gogeta86 | got hooks | 08:02 |
| coderus | https://www.google.ru/search?q=site%3Atrello.com%2Fb%2F+release | 08:02 |
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| dcaliste | Hello chriadam_ ! | 08:41 |
| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: pinggg~~~~ | 08:42 |
| dcaliste | Have five minutes available to discuss the server not available bug ? | 08:42 |
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| nekron | Hi there.. I have got a strange matter with slow TCP connections via GPRS (2G) and SSL/TLS handshake on my Jolla1. | 09:02 |
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| nekron | I compiled libpurple (pidgin), purple-sipe plugin and bitlbee for using my IRC client as Skype for Busniess gateway. | 09:03 |
| nekron | However if I connect via wlan the SSL/TLS handshake works fine. But if I am on a slow (2G or even 3G) connection the SASS/GnuTLS layer stops working or I have to retry is many times to get a connection. | 09:05 |
| nekron | *SASS = NSS (sorry, need more coffee today!) | 09:06 |
| nekron | Besides the smaller MTU size used for 2G/3G, is there any difference for TCP timeouts when using a mobile connection? | 09:08 |
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| nekron | The SSL/TLS handshake often crashes because of read error from the socket. | 09:10 |
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| leszek | anyone at jolla reading the comments after the announcement of Sailfish X on the tech news sites? I hope so. The conclusion I got from it is that the Sailfish X announcement is a desaster | 10:15 |
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| nekron | leszek: I read heise.de user comments but got the impression that people don't understand | 10:19 |
| leszek | nekron: heise folks are still friendly. Computerbase.de is a warzone :P | 10:20 |
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| nekron | :) | 10:21 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah, sailfish is already a compromise in terms of features, let alone when you add in lacking hardware support | 10:22 |
| leszek | But all the english speaking media like gsmarena shows clearly that this announcement is almost a declaration of bankruptcy | 10:23 |
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| coderus | leszek: stupid speculators | 10:23 |
| leszek | coderus: why stupid | 10:24 |
| leszek | read the announcement and be dissappointed | 10:24 |
| coderus | leszek: coz they dont know business | 10:24 |
| coderus | leszek: what is wrong? | 10:25 |
| leszek | shipping a beta version with limited hardware support for 50€. Isn't this just crazy? | 10:25 |
| nekron | I am not disappointed, but certainly excited! | 10:25 |
| Tegu | Sailfish was beta during Jolla 1 as well | 10:25 |
| leszek | ok 1 year support but nothing in the announcement that guarantees you to get this hardware support | 10:25 |
| leszek | Tegu: 4 years ago | 10:25 |
| Tegu | ye :/ | 10:25 |
| leszek | Jolla was a startup back then. | 10:26 |
| coderus | leszek: what limited software? | 10:26 |
| leszek | coderus: limited hardware support, no bt, no fingerprint, no fm and some other sensors | 10:26 |
| coderus | *hardware | 10:27 |
| coderus | fdgfd | 10:27 |
| locusf | jolla still is startup | 10:27 |
| locusf | figuring it doesn't have a business mode3l | 10:27 |
| leszek | locusf: after more than 5 years in existence I can hardly call them startup | 10:27 |
| Tegu | and they should have a phone with pre-installed Sailfish in order to be interesting to anyone else than developers | 10:27 |
| locusf | yeah well | 10:27 |
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| leszek | Tegu: thats something different. I think it was good they pulled out of the hardware business | 10:28 |
| r0kk3rz | Tegu: i dont expect the xperia stuff will bring in anyone new, this is about slowing the attrition rate of their users | 10:28 |
| coderus | locusf: startup is a business model ... oh come on! RTFM | 10:28 |
| coderus | sorry wrong mention | 10:28 |
| coderus | leszek: ^^ | 10:28 |
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| Tegu | leszek: well yea. I should have clarified that I meant Sony and Jolla together by "they" | 10:29 |
| leszek | Tegu: Sony has no interest in it though | 10:29 |
| Tegu | too bad :( | 10:30 |
| leszek | coderus: even though they can ship "final" versions of their products with full hardware support | 10:30 |
| r0kk3rz | they might, you cant really know for sure. other big makers have a pet OS project after all | 10:31 |
| leszek | all I am saying the reactions clearly show that this announcement is bad PR for Jolla | 10:31 |
| leszek | Conclusion the decision to release a beta image for 50€ is simply wrong | 10:32 |
| leszek | most people expect a final image with full support | 10:32 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah its a bit odd really. they don't really gain anything by announcing details this early, they also dont really gain anything by allowing for pre-orders... | 10:33 |
| Mister_Magister | some serious talk you have got here | 10:34 |
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| leszek | Maybe it would be better to clearly state in the announcement that this first release is a community only release and all others (interested in sailfish but that don't want to play beta tester) should wait until the end of this year when the "image installer" is ready and the image has full hardware support. I guess that would've made a completely different impression | 10:48 |
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| r0kk3rz | leszek: they're opening up the adaptation, they could have done this without any major announcement and you would see people building images and getting people to install them | 10:53 |
| r0kk3rz | then later, once the 'image installer' is done, release proper with dalvik and exchange | 10:54 |
| leszek | yes | 10:55 |
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| nekron | I think it is totally okay to inform everyone at the current state of SFOS X. You don't have to buy it, it's still you personal decision if you think it's not worth the money or lacking of features. | 11:03 |
| leszek | nekron: its not a blog post about the current state but also the way to obtain Sailfish X and what you will get when you buy it | 11:05 |
| nekron | Yea, but it is fair to be told before you buy it and not afterwards like other companies sometimes do. | 11:06 |
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| leszek | nekron: that is true. But then you have to live with criticism | 11:07 |
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| leszek | and there is a lot criticism outside the core sailfishos community | 11:07 |
| r0kk3rz | but the intended release is in a bit over a month, thats not that far into the future | 11:08 |
| r0kk3rz | and its entirely plausable that bt and fm could get fixed in that time, thus avoiding any negative issues | 11:08 |
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| leszek | r0kk3rz: yeah I agree and I know. But this is not written in the announcement. Not even the slightest hope for this is given. | 11:12 |
| r0kk3rz | it is highly speculative, because we dont know what we dont know at this point | 11:13 |
| r0kk3rz | i managed to get something up on my sony device recently, and afaik the cbeta guys made some progress with it on the X as well | 11:13 |
| r0kk3rz | but i wonder what jolla will do, will they disable BT until its fixed properly? or will they release it as partially working but mostly broken and useless :) | 11:14 |
| nekron | If you had a not-so-good open source supported broadcom BT hardware, what would you announce in the first step? IMHO I would say how it is (not supported for initial release) instead of lying and keeping expectations high. | 11:15 |
| leszek | nekron: not that. But just like I said tell the users that BT will work within the 1 year updates that the users get. Otherwise you get uncertainty if the full hardware support will ever come. | 11:17 |
| r0kk3rz | nekron: wait until the actual release date, maybe tease some things early on like camera shots or something | 11:18 |
| caitlin | I know i'm excited about having slightly newer hardware to run SFOS on, since had my jolla totally died, I would have been pretty stuck and would have gone back to iphone. But I'm not ponying up for (buying) a Sony device till sailfish are ready to actually take my money and ship me an installable thingy. | 11:20 |
| nekron | r0kk3rz: I'm expecting something like this via the SFOS X mailing list or another blog post. | 11:20 |
| nekron | caitlin: Community will help you in flashing the device | 11:21 |
| nekron | BTW I think it will be magic like fastboot oem unlock, fastboot flash boot and fastboot flash system ... though it will be interesting if the radio and vendor part must be modified, too. | 11:24 |
| r0kk3rz | well the bootloader unlocking is a known factor, sony has documentation available on that already | 11:26 |
| Renault | r0kk3rz: Sailfish OS X and Sailfish OS should be synchronized in the future? Maybe the term "X" it only to talk about commercial product and not the technical side | 11:26 |
| r0kk3rz | Renault: they will be synchronised from the beginning, its the same OS | 11:26 |
| Renault | without signifiant differences? For example Jolla 1 has bluez 4 and Jolla C has bluez 5 if I remembered correctly | 11:27 |
| r0kk3rz | i expect this will have bluez5 | 11:27 |
| r0kk3rz | jolla 1 cant support bluez5, the kernel is too old | 11:28 |
| r0kk3rz | theres a BT management interface that bluez5 needs to work, and the j1 kernel simply hasnt got it | 11:28 |
| Renault | ok, thank you :) | 11:29 |
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| TheBootroo|work | Breaking news : Bible'me v3.0 is available in store ! Fixed issues with index repositoru being done, enhanced speed and improved UI with subtle changes | 12:13 |
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| bb_ | hi | 13:02 |
| bb_ | is there anyone | 13:02 |
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| leszek | not even a minute | 13:02 |
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| TheBootroo|work | leszek: lol | 13:25 |
| TheBootroo|work | i didn't have time to answer "NO." | 13:25 |
| leszek | :) | 13:27 |
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| leszek | hey success. A slightly improved qtwebkit version is built and works just fine. gsmarena now does not look broken anymore (CSS fixes from Qt 5.7 FTW): https://build.merproject.org/package/binaries/home:leszek/qtwebkit?repository=sailfish_latest_armv7hl | 14:05 |
| r0kk3rz | woo! | 14:06 |
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| coderus | leszek: Y U NO tar_git ? | 14:37 |
| leszek | coderus: I have no idea how to use it though. And I need first a git repo for this :) | 14:38 |
| coderus | (o_-) | 14:38 |
| coderus | compiled unknown sourecs with to git history, wah, thanks, no | 14:40 |
| leszek | coderus: source is from mer project | 14:43 |
| leszek | its basically the source rpm from the jolla package | 14:43 |
| leszek | patches added are listed in the source package | 14:43 |
| coderus | leszek: :D | 14:44 |
| r0kk3rz | leszek: use your wonderful mer login for git.merproject.org | 14:44 |
| leszek | r0kk3rz: ah I can use this for pull requests. Nice | 14:44 |
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| r0kk3rz | you can also set up webhooks to do automatic builds on ob | 14:56 |
| leszek | I need to take a look at that really. My real goal is to get the qtwebkit reloaded code compile and run as it apparently has an updated javascriptcore and much more. Though I am still a padawan when it comes to compiling this. It uses cmake which apparently should be easier but I fail at compiling this | 14:58 |
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| nekron | Wow... connection issues for Bitlbee and purple-sipe are gone now. I compiled latest gnutls and linked sipe against openssl instead of nss and now connecting to Skype for Business is no longer acting weird on mobile connection | 15:19 |
| nekron | OTOH I am not sure what broke my last build using nss and gnutls provided by mersdk | 15:20 |
| nekron | Well, guess you have to build it on the bleeding edge :) | 15:22 |
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| leszek | hmm... "Could not find a package configuration file provided by "Qt5WebChannel"" do we have that for sailfishos? | 15:51 |
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| leszek | ok apparently not. Lets try deactivating it then | 15:53 |
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| leszek | oh 5.212 starts building... keep fingers crossed that it builds :) | 15:58 |
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| leszek | sadly the qtwebkit 5.212 build failed. Anyone got ideas whats wrong here? (see the error message) https://build.merproject.org/package/live_build_log/home:leszek/qtwebkit5212/sailfish_latest_armv7hl/armv8el | 17:45 |
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| Mister_Magister | saidinesh5: ping | 18:55 |
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| leszek | so turns out the new qtwebkit 5.212 needs qtwebchannel. There is no qtwebchannel in sailfishos. Who do I need to poke if I want that to be included in the official sailfishos repos? | 19:47 |
| tbr | leszek: more of a Mer thing, not that it really matters nowadays. Try poking LarstiQ. Though disussing in #mer might be better. | 19:50 |
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| leszek | ok got a patch as apparently this is a bug in qtwebkit as it has a qtwebchannel disable option but it does not seem to work | 20:00 |
| leszek | lets see | 20:00 |
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