Tuesday, 2015-12-15

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xkr47is the sailfishos usb-moded spec file available somewhere?09:03
Stskeepshttps://git.merproject.org/mer-core/usb-moded09:05
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xkr47thx09:06
xkr47is Philippe the main maintainer?09:06
xkr47is he here?09:06
xkr47ah yes09:07
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ProfpatschHmm, nice.09:20
ProfpatschThe calendar app duplicates my CalDav cals every time they sync.09:20
ProfpatschYet, it still displays nothing.09:20
ProfpatschIs there a Bugtracker for thes applications?09:22
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coderustogether.jolla.com09:31
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Profpatschcoderus: Seems more like a mish-mash between soft and hard bugs.09:34
ProfpatschAre there bug trackers for single applications?09:35
ProfpatschOr parts of the system?09:35
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ProfpatschAnd where can I find the current source trees?09:35
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chem|stProfpatsch: tjc is the only bugtracker provided, for stuff comming from mer it is https://bugs.merproject.org/ sources are https://github.com/sailfishos09:40
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ProfpatschDoesn’t look like a very active Repository.09:40
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ProfpatschLooks likes a graveyard.09:41
chem|stit is more or less I guess09:41
ProfpatschDarn.09:41
ProfpatschWhy not just open source the stuff.09:42
chem|stcore is at merproject (mostly)09:42
ProfpatschGPL3 the shit out of it.09:42
ProfpatschI mean there is no business model to begin with.09:43
Profpatsch(apart from selling phones)09:43
chem|stProfpatsch: there is talking about doing that with a 3way license model iirc09:43
ProfpatschAlso, nobody could re-use the code anyway.09:43
chem|stProfpatsch: and the businessmodel is not selling phones but to sell device adaptation and support09:44
ProfpatschNow I’m stuck with a misbehaving phone which I can’t even fix.09:44
ProfpatschSad.09:44
Stskeepshttps://git.merproject.org/09:44
ProfpatschI’m being relayed to a sign in form.09:44
ProfpatschWhy do I need to sign in to see the code?09:45
chem|stProfpatsch: just before the lights started flickering, open-sourcing all of it was on the table, now with debt restructuring that ain't gonna be easy09:45
ProfpatschAh, I can.09:46
chem|stProfpatsch: there is no 'just' in investor relations09:46
chem|sthttps://git.merproject.org/explore09:47
chem|stand your comment to github, last changes are 5minutes ago...09:49
Profpatschchem|st: I’m not saying it *is* a graveyard, I’m just saying it *looks* like one.09:49
Stskeepsg/ 4309:49
ProfpatschNo stars on the repos, no visible developers in the group.09:50
chem|stit is some like a drop zone for the foss bits, it gets regularly updated though09:50
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ProfpatschNice, it’s not even possible to do a simple ssh.10:03
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ProfpatschAt least it’s not apparent what password root@<ip> expects.10:04
ProfpatschIt definitely isn’t the generated one.10:04
TemeVProfpatsch: the password is for nemo10:05
daithefluProfpatsch: if you're trying to SSH to your Jolla phone, username is nemo10:05
TemeVIt doesn't set the root password from settings10:05
Profpatschgood that it tells you that. not.10:06
daithefluProfpatsch: then you should be able to su10:06
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ProfpatschAnd what’s the root password?10:06
TemeVIt is not set10:06
ProfpatschDon’t tell me it’s hardcoded or I throw the device into the trash. :)10:07
daithefluProfpatsch: why would you need root password ?10:07
TemeVyou can use devel-su to gain root10:07
TemeVor su-devel10:07
TemeVboth are pretty much synonym for sudo su in "normal" linux10:07
ProfpatschDid I just miss it or is there a documentation for all that?10:08
TemeVI'm quite sure it is documented somewhere^tm10:08
ProfpatschI sure hope it accepts pubkeys.10:08
TemeVit does10:08
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ProfpatschHm, there is a lot of red in my journalctl10:13
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ProfpatschTemeV: Yes, no, it doesn’t.10:20
ProfpatschAt least not by default.10:20
ProfpatschWHO BUILT THIS10:20
TemeVIt should. Do you have correct permissions for the files?10:21
ProfpatschI copied it with ssh-copy-id …10:22
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stephg... and on the directories10:22
ProfpatschOkay, my bad.10:24
ProfpatschI deleted the the dir and re-did the ssh-copy-id, now it works.10:24
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daithefluProfpatsch: enjoy SSH straight out of the box :)10:29
ProfpatschI have to say, that’s better than nearly every other crappy mobile system out there.10:30
ProfpatschExcept maybe Ubuntu Phone.10:30
ProfpatschNow to manually disable password access, because the UI doesn’t allow it.10:31
ProfpatschNo manpages …10:33
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TemeVjust google them10:33
coderusis editing sshd_config a magic for you?10:33
ProfpatschNo, it’s not.10:34
ProfpatschHm, kind of makes sense that it’s not possible to disable passwords from the ui.10:35
ProfpatschBut now I’m afraid it will reset my changes the next time I visit that UI screen.10:35
coderusyou are the most complaining geek i ever seen10:35
TemeVI don't think that gui touches sshd_config10:36
TemeVit just enables sshd sets the password etc10:36
chem|stProfpatsch: gui touches nothing unless you change anything and it for sure does no inline editing of some config files10:37
coderusdisable devmode is stop sshd and unset nemo passwd :)10:37
TemeVand remove fingerterm and maybe some other packages10:38
ProfpatschThan makes sense.10:38
chem|stTemeV: I wonder why you can even disable dev mode^^10:38
TemeVchem|st: why couln't you?10:38
TemeV*couldn't10:39
chem|stTemeV: I do not see the point in uninstalling dev mode10:39
chem|stI do not see the point in installing it either10:39
TemeVIt is easy way to e.g. stop sshd, if you want to do that for some reason10:40
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chem|stit should be preinstalled, and the toggle just symlinks fingerterm sets password and starts sshd10:40
TemeVoh, you mean the packages10:40
TemeVyeah uninstalling them is maybe pointless10:40
TemeVnot having them preinstalled saves some megabytes, I guess10:41
chem|stTemeV: about everything around it...10:41
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TemeVwell, I never disable it so I don't care what id does :)10:42
chem|stI'd rather have 10MB wasted than to need internet to get a shell10:42
kimmolicoderus: was there a hit on your paranoia list?10:42
chem|stI had to tether the tablet to my phone to get dev mode, to get terminal, to setup wpa-enterprise to get internet in the first place10:43
coderuskimmoli: not yet, more likely possible hit to global ignore list.10:43
chem|stI know that should be in the gui by now anyway but well10:44
zGrrmoin :)10:44
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ProfpatschI’m kind of afraid of the *dav implementation11:03
ProfpatschCardDav throws an error every 10 minutes that sync failed.11:03
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ProfpatschCalDav creates a new instance of every calendar in the calendar app every time it syncs.11:04
ProfpatschAnd it doesn’t look like any events actually get synced.11:04
ProfpatschMaybe the implementation in my completely out-of-date Owncloud is too buggy.11:05
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TemeVFor me syncing to Owncloud works nicely11:09
ProfpatschTemeV: Which version?11:09
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TemeVThe one that comes with Debian Jessie11:09
ProfpatschHm, okay.11:09
ProfpatschSo it’s probably Owncloud.11:10
ProfpatschMaybe I’ll take another shot at setting up radicale.11:10
TemeVseems to be 7.0.411:10
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daitheflu*DAV protocols are kinda shitty anyway, it's very hard to get a good implementation :(11:20
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Profpatschdaitheflu: That might be an explanation. I suspected that might be the case.11:24
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chem|stTemeV: caldav and carddav? what link do you use? never got it to work properly11:35
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ProfpatschIt would be nice if the *Dav account creation displayed an actual error instead of (literally) „Oops, something went wrong“.11:39
ProfpatschIs it wrong that I want to do bad things to the person that wrote that?11:39
ProfpatschThe journal doesn’t output particularly helpful messages, either.11:40
TemeVchem|st: the one copypasted from the web ui11:41
TemeVand yes caldav and carddav11:42
TemeVI had to make separate accounts for them though and put the whole url to the url field, not use the separete calendar and contacts parts11:42
ascarpinohere Caldav was not working until I switched to LetsEncrypt (previously I was using a self signed cert, with "Ignore SSL errors" checked). Cardcav instead was working with the self signed cert :-S11:43
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chem|stascarpino: I just had to open the server in browser once and accept the cert, after that it worked (kind of)11:48
ascarpinochem|st: I suppose caldav "ignore ssl errors" is broken11:49
ascarpinoI should investigate but had no time yet11:49
* xkr47 sb2 -t SailfishOS-armv7hl -m sdk-install -R zypper in -t srcpackage usb-moded11:50
chem|stno idea, ask changelog if it was fixed, it used to be broken systemwide I think11:50
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ProfpatschSo I probably have to get a Letsencrypt cert for that to work well.11:59
TemeVI don't have a cert12:01
TemeVor well, I have self signed12:01
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ProfpatschThe UI also doesn’t allow to change the URL afterwards.12:14
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Profpatsch[W] CaldavAccountCalendarUpdater::requestUserPrincipalUrlFinished:309 - "XML parse error: 4: Premature end of document."12:21
ProfpatschIs the Caldav code online somwhere?12:22
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chem|stProfpatsch: buteo I guess12:37
chem|stand the ui part is not afaik12:38
chem|stProfpatsch: you may cahnge the url from CLI12:38
fledermauschem|st: pleased to report my phone has been behaving itself soundwise so far, so possibly not damaged after all.12:38
chem|stfledermaus: :D12:40
svipI am having a strange problem with my phone; often when I click something in the browser, it crashes.12:42
svipIt then shows the screen the phone displays when it is charging while turned off.12:43
svipIt crashes a couple of times before finally relaxing back into the DE.12:43
svipIt also bothers me that I cannot change the default search engine in the browser to DuckDuckGo.12:44
chem|stsvip: that sounds like the loose battery contacts or wlan chip being of rail12:45
svipHmm...12:45
svipLet me look at the battery.12:45
chem|stsvip: wlan chip is remove battery for a couple of minutes (>5), battery is clean contacts (make sure you always push all rods at the same time) or adding 1-2 sheets of tape to the batteries bottom edge12:46
svipI will try that.12:48
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Profpatschchem|st: Yes, the UI part is not open I guess.13:04
ProfpatschWhich is what is displayed in the log of course.13:04
ProfpatschSo it’s probably useless.13:04
ProfpatschOh, how I love proprietary code.13:05
ProfpatschI know I’m being negative, but I hate it when I can’t debug what I use.13:05
ProfpatschSo very much.13:05
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kimmolisome of the stuff have some switches to enable more verbose debug outputs. but where they are, is another thing. some of them are documented in TJC13:31
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xkr47what is the autoritative source for whether the device is connected to the internet? connman?13:33
xkr47can I tell the device "you're now connected" when I have set up the connection manually using e.g. ifconfig?13:34
xkr47remember doing that with maemo/n90013:34
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xkr47signal sender=:1.13 -> dest=(null destination) serial=975 path=/; interface=net.connman.Manager; member=PropertyChanged13:42
xkr47   string "State"13:42
xkr47this ?13:42
xkr47   variant       string "online"13:42
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xkr47phdeswer, sorry do you have a minute? I'm interested in the status of connman support in usb-moded - a year ago there's a commit "needs work still"..13:52
Mon_look_planehelli13:53
Mon_look_planehello13:53
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phdeswerxkr47: it's kind of better now. Well at least slava contributed some extra stuff to make the internet sharing work with connman.13:54
phdeswerWhat do you exactly want it to do?13:55
xkr47phdeswer, I want to get internet sharing working the other way around - my laptop has a ethernet connection and I would like my jolla phone to use usb networking as an official internet connection13:56
xkr47phdeswer, my plan is to keep "internet sharing" mode as it is now, i.e. phone is "source of internet" and laptop is slave, and to change "developer mode" to work the other way around13:57
ttyp0couldn't you just manually (or through a scrip) define the PC's IP as default GW?13:57
xkr47phdeswer, in both modes the phone runs a dhcp server and the laptop gets a dynamic ip13:57
ttyp0script*13:58
xkr47ttyp0, I have that already, but the software thinks the phone is offline13:58
Mon_look_planeanyone know how can i auto open my app when jolla  phone is opening13:58
phdeswerxr47: That should be easy to do if you have your laptop is set up right. It won't work though if the phone is a dhcp server...13:58
xkr47ttyp0, so I can ping the internet from the phone, but e.g. emails don't update, etc13:58
ttyp0ah13:58
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xkr47phdeswer, yes laptop is already set up to forward traffic AND it works already but the "official apps" thinks the phone is offlien13:59
xkr47phdeswer, and I believe it's because usb-moded uses ifconfig to set up the config instead of connman. this again is because of my guess that connman is the "authoritative source" of whether the phone is connected or not, from the perspective of native sailfishos apps14:00
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phdeswerThe phone should have the udhcpc client, so you could just make an ini file like this to get dhcp from the pc14:02
phdeswerxr47: correct. Unfortunately connman is/was really bad at dealing with the usb interface.14:03
phdeswerJust checking what slava did..14:04
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phdeswerxkr47: will have to put some more work in it still. Probably for your use case it might be enough to tell connman to bring the interface up14:06
xkr47phdeswer, ok I will try to recompile with CONNMAN_WORKS_BETTER :)14:09
Mon_look_planeif i want to open my app when jolla is opening ,how to to ?example!14:11
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xkr47phdeswer, thanks for your time, appreciated14:11
phdeswerWell keep reminding me now and then. I might try to have another go at it. Got stuck with the hellishly complex dbus messages from connman. But that was for static ip, maybe just requesting connman to bring the interface up might be easier and fullfill your requirement14:12
xkr47phdeswer, I don't mind which party runs the dhcp server and client, but I want internet sharing both ways and the laptop doesn't know which mode is chosen on the phone so the responsibilities must be set up the same regardless which way the sharing occurs14:13
xkr47phdeswer, static config is of course also an option but run into minor trouble with that on my laptop so I defaulted to using dhcp since that worked fine anyway14:13
phdeswerxkr47: well in case sharing internet from the laptop, it makes sense the laptop does the dhcp server, as otherwise there is no way for the phone to guess if it is a gateway or not, and what the dns info is14:14
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xkr47phdeswer, the jolla preferences ui could have an option in the "developer mode" page to "use as upstream router in developer mode" and when enabled perhaps also a "dns ip(s)" setting14:16
phdeswerxkr47: define use as upstream router.. As I understand that as internet sharing ...14:17
xkr47phdeswer, and if "upstream router" enabled, but the "dns ip(s)" left empty, the the udhcpd config written by usb-moded could be extended to execute a command that sets up the last-leased dhcp client's ip as dns ip14:18
xkr47phdeswer, perhaps I should write something more visual down to better facilitate our discussion14:18
xkr47now I have to run to the bus, b in 12 minutes or so :)14:19
phdeswerxkr47: ok. Catch you later maybe14:19
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xkr47b14:29
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xkr47phdeswer, https://tinyurl.com/zd9yujb14:36
xkr47sorry that was incomplete14:37
xkr47or maybe I just need to write some textual description14:38
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chem|stProfpatsch: you can make output that verbose that you may fill up internal storage within a couple of hours (considering you turn everything on at once!)14:41
Profpatschchem|st: I can or the developers could?14:43
Profpatschsystemd normally limits the log size.14:43
chem|styou can, most of debugging is turned off of course as it produces a lot of output14:44
chem|stand output size is only limited by systemd if it knows about it14:45
Profpatschchem|st: Hm, okay. How do I do that?14:45
chem|stProfpatsch: what are you actually looking after? (did not read backlog14:45
Profpatschchem|st: Ah, I wanted to see why the Cal/CardDav Account creation fails.14:45
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chem|stTemeV: caldav working both ways yes, I don't know how many times I tried to get carddav to do anything useful14:46
chem|stTemeV: I got it to sync once but I have the same problems like I have with BT sync, some contacts get synced partially some never and so on14:47
Profpatschchem|st: Yeah, and how to debug such things.14:47
ProfpatschIn my opinion it should be possible for able users to debug something like that on an open system.14:48
chem|stProfpatsch: well I see in logs which contacts mess up...14:49
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Profpatschchem|st: Can you access the code that messes it up?14:50
TemeVchem|st: oh, I haven't really paid attention on carddav. It seems to sync all local contacts but tbh I haven't checked properly14:50
chem|stthat is buteo sync plugin isn't it?14:50
chem|stProfpatsch: https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/buteo-sync-plugins14:51
TemeVMost of my contacts are in exchange and I guess it is a feature they don't sync elsewhere14:51
phdeswerxkr47: will check later. Have to go to my evening classes now14:51
chem|stTemeV: I just backuped everything and gave it another try14:54
Profpatschchem|st: The error message references a CaldavAccountCalendarUpdater, which doesn’t exist in the source code.14:56
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chem|stis it in buteo-sync-plugin-caldav?15:00
chem|stas it is caldav specific?15:01
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Rikudou_Senninhello15:02
Rikudou_Sennincan anybody help me with qml, please?15:02
kimmolijust ask, and preferably show github link to code..15:02
Rikudou_Senninok, great :)15:03
Rikudou_Senninhttps://github.com/RikudouSage/sailfish-cah/blob/master/qml/pages/Favourites.qml15:03
Profpatschchem|st: Searched that already, nope.15:03
Rikudou_SenninI am trying to make the qml page scrollable but cannot seem to find a way15:03
Rikudou_Senninthe MainScreen is scrollable without a problem, which leads me to think it's because the ListView is created dynamically from json15:04
chem|stlbt: can you shed some light on debuging caldav?15:04
ProfpatschOh, lol. When in display-off mode, it throws a recurring error on the journal, every second or so.15:04
kimmolihttps://github.com/RikudouSage/sailfish-cah/blob/master/qml/pages/Favourites.qml#L2215:04
kimmolihttps://sailfishos.org/develop/docs/silica/qml-sailfishsilica-sailfish-silica-silicaflickable.html/15:05
kimmoliRikudou_Sennin: you are limitinh these heights to page.height now. obviously it does not scroll15:06
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chem|stProfpatsch: and YES FOOBAR - no clue about debuging carddav... seems UI does not trigger sync at all, at least there is not even one current log entry about an attempt, guess it is just stuck on the previous sync and stalls15:08
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chem|stand why the hell is facebook login client logging in when all sync is disabled15:09
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Rikudou_Senninkimmoli: hello, sorry, irc crashed, I deleted it, but still does not work15:11
ProfpatschAnd there is no way to debug the UI?15:11
kimmoliRikudou_Sennin: also line 28 ? column height.15:11
kimmoliand to flickable, change contentHeight: maincolumn.height15:12
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chem|stProfpatsch: probably looking into dbus-monitor will help with that15:14
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Rikudou_Senninkimmoli: still does not work15:14
kimmoliand for page, set anchors.fill: parent15:14
kimmolicheck all the heights15:14
kimmoliremote page height, width. not needed15:15
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Rikudou_Senninkimmoli: Still nothing, I updated the source code on github15:19
kimmolido you have userid to test with?15:19
Rikudou_Senninkimmoli: username: test, password: test, user id: 1115:21
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kimmoliRikudou_Sennin: check your .pro, it does not include all files15:26
Rikudou_Senninkimmoli: which are missing...?15:27
kimmoliah they are in DISTFILES15:28
kimmolinot showing on sdk15:28
Rikudou_Senninstrange, the SDK added these files there on its own15:28
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kimmolieh.15:30
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kimmoliwell, i can see 2 favorites and the page scroll15:30
kimmoliah. no.sorry.15:30
Rikudou_Senninwith that account, there should be 20 favorites right now15:32
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kimmoliRikudou_Sennin: yep, now scrolls ;) small tuning15:36
kimmolii'll fork and make a pr15:36
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Rikudou_Senninthanks :)15:38
kimmoliadded some comments15:41
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* kimmoli is stupid.15:55
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Rikudou_Senninkimmoli: thank you very much for your help, the package is now uploaded :) https://openrepos.net/content/rikudousennin/cyanide-happiness16:03
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kimmolinp16:07
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Rikudou_Senninkimmoli: found another problem, there is PageHeader missing and first two items too16:15
Rikudou_Senninkimmoli: and on bottom are some missing items too16:15
coderusRon which page?16:17
coderusRikudou_Sennin: on which page?16:17
Rikudou_Sennincoderus: Favorites page, https://github.com/RikudouSage/sailfish-cah/blob/master/qml/pages/Favourites.qml16:18
coderusgive screenshot please16:18
coderusmaybe your fav db corrupted16:19
coderusi cant find any problems in qml at fquick look16:19
coderusalso dont do "INSERT INTO current_favorite (pic_id) VALUES ("+mid+")" ever16:20
coderususe ? operator16:20
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Rikudou_Sennincoderus: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8923820/Screenshot-15-12-15-17-19-43.png16:21
Rikudou_Sennincoderus: what do you mean by ? operator?16:21
coderus? operator in db actions16:22
urjamani suppose "VALUES (?)" but then i dont know this syntax16:22
urjamanhe means prepared statements i think16:22
coderustx.executeSql('INSERT INTO Greeting VALUES(?, ?)', [ 'hello', 'world' ]);16:22
Rikudou_Sennincoderus: in the list, there should be two more items at the beginning16:22
Rikudou_Sennincoderus: ok, I will remember :)16:22
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coderusRikudou_Sennin: so what happens when you scroll it?16:23
Rikudou_Senninit does not scroll before the Goatee item16:23
kimmolicoderus: it does show shorter scrollable than it is16:23
kimmoliit shows column from middle16:24
coderusremove anchors.fill: parent from Page16:24
Rikudou_Sennincoderus: works now, great!!!16:24
coderus:)16:25
* kimmoli blames me16:25
Rikudou_SenninQML is kind of different from all languages I ever worked with :)16:25
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kimmoliah it messed up with orientation. page parent was portrait16:27
kimmolitjsp16:27
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Rikudou_Senninkimmoli or coderus: don't you know why the local database is not deleted, when you delete the app?17:17
kimmoliif it is not mentioned in .spec, it is not deleted.17:19
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coderusRikudou_Sennin: local settings are not supposed to be deleted on application uninstall17:22
Rikudou_SenninAh, so it's intended? Then it's okay, I was not sure if it's bad to leave some trash after uninstall.17:23
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Rikudou_Senninand one more question, where the file is located?17:26
kimmoli./.local/share/CaH/CaH/QML/OfflineStorage/Databases17:26
kimmoli. = /home/nemo/17:26
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Rikudou_Senninkimmoli: thanks :) are there other ways of storing local data?17:28
coderusRikudou_Sennin: why?17:30
Rikudou_Sennincoderus: Just in case there is something better, QML is totally new to me17:31
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kimmoliyou can make your own c++ wrappers but maybe not worth of it17:32
coderusRikudou_Sennin: org.nemomobile.configuration17:32
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kimmolihttps://sailfishos.org/develop/docs/nemo-qml-plugin-configuration/17:33
kimmolibut that is not for "data", values and stuff17:33
kimmoliand remember to change import org.nemomobile.Configuration to org.nemomobile.configuration17:34
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Rikudou_Senninthank you both, will experiment :) where did you learn so much about Sailfish? It seems to me, that it pretty much lacks good documentation17:35
kimmolitrial and error ;)17:37
kimmolicoderus nows how to code, i don't. i just haxor thing together17:37
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Rikudou_Senninwhat phone do you use? original Jolla?17:40
Rikudou_Sennin'cause I'm really thinking about buying Nexus 5 and flashing Sailfish17:41
Rikudou_Senninand am not sure how good it is :)17:41
Coolgeekbut you will loose android support I think17:42
Coolgeekas it is part of the jolla17:42
Coolgeekunless there is another android runtime you could use17:42
locusfpreliminary Android support is coming17:42
Rikudou_SenninCoolgeek: yeah, I read about it, but I don't believe it is hardware related and thus I think it could be ripped off of the original Jolla17:42
locusfby krnlyng17:42
Rikudou_Senninalso there is apkenv, which I read works for some apps, so I will see17:43
Rikudou_SenninI really like the Jolla phone, but in my simple math, 2 GB is more than one :)17:43
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coderusRikudou_Sennin: currently no android support at all for 3rd party devices.17:47
coderusAT ALL17:47
Rikudou_Sennincoderus: do you know how is this possible? Correct me if I'm wrong with the part about not being hardware related17:48
coderusits very related to hardware17:48
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locusfhttp://piratepad.net/FtZYtm4tDY17:50
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r0kk3rzyeah its a bit of a hacky work in progress really, i wouldnt be basing any purchasing decisions around it17:51
r0kk3rzbut with the nx5 you can always multirom it for whatever androidy bits you want17:52
Rikudou_Senninlocusf: is it tested?17:52
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locusfRikudou_Sennin: somewhat17:55
locusfI guess17:55
locusfI've yet to even get the darn sources17:55
Rikudou_SenninI wish I understood those things, but it's far beyond my knowledge17:56
r0kk3rzRikudou_Sennin: there are ways of increasing ones knowledge17:57
* kimmoli takes a magic potion17:57
Rikudou_Senninr0kk3rz: believe me, I tried, but I just can't get the hardware-software communication thing to my head :)17:59
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r0kk3rzRikudou_Sennin: you understand what RAM is yes? and memory locations, communication with hardware is basically the same as that18:03
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Rikudou_Senninr0kk3rz: well, if you say it that way, it sounds easy :) but when I tried e.g. port Sailfish to my phone (reading the official guide), it was just too much18:06
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r0kk3rzRikudou_Sennin: yeah thats not so much about hardware is about knowing loads about linux and how it does what it does18:08
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r0kk3rzmajority of which is software related, not really hardware stuff18:08
r0kk3rzand the fact that qcom butcher the linux kernel for different SoCs and the like18:09
Rikudou_Senninr0kk3rz: maybe I'll give it another try :) but Linux to the core is not much my thing either, I'm used to working with server things with linux18:10
r0kk3rzRikudou_Sennin: yeah theres lots to learn, and the critical mass of knowledge seems to be quite large18:10
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r0kk3rzthe HADK has seen a few revisions over time that have made it a bit easier though18:11
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locusfnot too large IMO18:12
locusfthe actual adaptation creation is not too difficult18:13
locusfthe trouble comes after18:13
krnlyngcoderus: AT ALL? http://postimg.org/image/5yet6j5vd18:13
r0kk3rzlocusf: it also helps to not blindly follow along and understand that x is connected to y which is connected to z which is related to q18:14
coderuskrnlyng: i mean for regular users :)18:14
coderusget something, install and profit18:14
locusfr0kk3rz: yes18:14
coderuskrnlyng: also, give me these for Jolla Phone please :)18:14
Rikudou_Senninr0kk3rz: I'm quite quick learner, so maybe I will try it some day, if it's a bit easier now, I read the first public version18:15
krnlyngcoderus: i don't want to start porting android to my jolla therefore no :D18:15
locusfthere is a way to get a android base system source code for sbj18:16
locusfStskeeps: happen to have a link handy to that monster repo?18:16
Rikudou_Sennin /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER Rikudou_Sennin spqpywafgavy18:18
coderusthx18:18
urjaman*cringe*18:18
Rikudou_Sennindamn white spaces :D18:19
r0kk3rzerm18:19
ttyp0:)18:19
r0kk3rzRikudou_Sennin: fyi this channel is logged18:19
ttyp0so just change the password18:19
Rikudou_Senninr0kk3rz: yeah I know, but there is no password in that command :D18:20
urjamaniirc that code is a one use verify ... but i'm not sure18:20
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Rikudou_Senninurjaman: exactly :)18:20
r0kk3rzjust a friendly reminder18:20
coderushttp://www.merproject.org/logs/%23sailfishos/%23sailfishos.2015-12-15.log.html#t2015-12-15T18:18:4118:20
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urjamananyways a good idea to give commands to the server window/tab/wtvr, not others :)18:21
Rikudou_Senninit's a long time since I used IRC, five years I think :)18:21
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Rikudou_Senninhave any of you tested some of the other alternate operating systems? like Ubuntu etc.18:22
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r0kk3rzRikudou_Sennin: ive played around with ubuntu touch18:23
Rikudou_Senninr0kk3rz: and how does it feel?18:23
r0kk3rzits ok i guess, took me way too long to get past the lockscreen though18:24
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Rikudou_Senninr0kk3rz: better or worse than Sailfish, in your opinion?18:24
r0kk3rzbe better if it allowed you to swap orientations, ie right to left18:25
r0kk3rzsince its very left edge orientated18:25
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r0kk3rzthats where loads of the actions are started, where the launcher is .etc18:25
r0kk3rzi much prefer sailfish18:25
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Rikudou_Senninr0kk3rz: thanks :) Sailfish kind of pissed me off when they made the opinion to show events view only by swiping from left18:27
Rikudou_Senninand I also miss the old covers18:27
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r0kk3rzyeah its a bit of a shame that 2,0 dropped when it did18:28
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r0kk3rzsince theres no tablet, and if theres a jollaocalypse then it wont get more polished18:28
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locusfits myriads product18:29
locusfso no18:29
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Rikudou_SenninI hope Jolla (company) will be fine, as I'm one of those guys who like to play with their devices as much as possible :)18:31
oh8gnzui in 1.x was better than in 2.x18:31
Rikudou_Senninoh8gnz: I like some of the UI changes in 2.0, but some were far better in 1.x18:31
r0kk3rzwell 1.0 was a mostly polished idea, slowly developed over the last 2-3 years or so18:32
r0kk3rzbut 2.0 is new, and a bit rough around the edges18:32
Rikudou_Senninr0kk3rz: and for those things, we have patches :D18:32
r0kk3rzyeah there is that i guess18:32
oh8gnzthe finger sweep actions were better in 1.x18:33
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oh8gnzI liked to get phone closed by sweeping down from top18:33
Rikudou_Senninoh8gnz: It's still possible, or not? I'm not sure if it's a patch or OS function18:34
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Rikudou_Senninthe action I really miss is the cover actions, the sweeping over them felt so natural18:34
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fledermaussweeping form the top brings the ambience list, the top one of which is "lock"18:35
coderusoh8gnz: what "phone close" means?18:36
Rikudou_Senninfledermaus: yeah, so it's not patch, I just hid all the ambiences and have only lock there18:38
kimmolicoderus: you know what it means. lock. now you get the em... just powermenu2 :)18:38
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coderuskimmoli: thans for reminding. i need to fix one bug there...18:46
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xkr47phdeswer, https://gist.github.com/xkr47/631a4d9432c879a27a0021:15
phdeswerxkr47: I see I understood what you wanted, but it is not really sane. It's more sane to just get the data from the pc using dhcp on the phone.21:17
phdeswerWhich is technically already possible. Just realized it is not completely mode independant atm21:17
phdeswerSo pc shares internet, phone connects and get dhcp info from pc (so ip, gateway and dns) and all is good to go21:18
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phdeswerJust the opposite of what happens when the phone shares the internet connection21:19
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xkr47phdeswer, how about when I need to share internet in the other direction?21:31
phdeswerxkr47: when you share internet from the pc, the phone becomes the client basically. So you make it behave the same as the pc does, when you use the phone to connect to the net21:32
xkr47do you mean the one sharing internet is always also acting as dhcp server?21:33
phdesweryes21:33
phdeswerThat is the standard way to do it. See for example your router at home21:34
xkr47then how does the pc know, when it notices the usb interface coming up, whether it should run a dhcp server or a client?21:34
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xkr47yes I know, but I don't know how to make it work both ways dynamically21:34
phdeswerWell there is no real easy way as there is data that cannot be guessed.21:36
xkr47in my proposal there is no guessing needed21:36
xkr47the roles are always the same, and the phone coordinates which way the sharing goes21:37
xkr47dhcp roles*21:37
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xkr47it is not the standard way of doing it sure, but to me it feels clean and should work by the user just selecting either "developer mode" or "internet sharing mode" on the phone after connecting the cable21:38
phdeswerxkr47: you still have to manually put data in the phone. To be honest you could just set that in the config for developer mode already if you don't mind doing it like that.21:38
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phdeswerSee https://github.com/philippedeswert/usb-moded/blob/master/docs/usb_moded-doc.txt starting from around line 12021:39
xkr47phdeswer, what data?21:39
phdeswerip to use, gateway at least21:40
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xkr47phdeswer, you mean I have to manually configure the usb-moded files?21:51
phdeswerxkr47: you can do that, and it would give you what you are looking for.21:52
phdeswerThat's the nice thing about this all, you even get the documentation. ;)21:52
xkr47phdeswer, yeah.. currently the "gateway" setting is global, so I will probably need to add dynmode support for overriding the global gateway setting (so I can have it just in developer mode)21:52
xkr47phdeswer, and then I need to add code for providing the dns entry to connman or /etc/resolv.conf21:53
xkr47phdeswer, and then I need to try if connman works21:53
phdeswerWell connman is the big problem here...21:54
xkr47:)21:54
xkr47do you have any notes on connman with regards to this?21:54
xkr47or is there some good documentation resources on how connman works, apis etc?21:54
xkr47is connman like an alternative to network-manager or what is its role?21:55
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phdesweryes it is a network manager alternative21:56
phdeswerAnd looking at the code the only thing that is not really working is the dbus bit to tell connman how to set up the interface in usb_network_up.21:56
phdeswerAnd actually part of it could probably be by-passed if no fixed ip is needed.21:57
xkr47you mean the "dbus_message_new_method_call("net.connman", service, "net.connman.Service", "SetProperty"))" block is not working as it is now?21:57
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xkr47I looked a bit at the code in usb_network_up and tried manually running the "GetServices" call on the command line22:00
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phdesweryes, it's crashing. I must be doing something wrong there.22:00
xkr47lol22:00
xkr47well I have connman's source code as well, need to dig deep :)22:00
xkr47anyway the result I got from GetServices was just the cellular modem, "gadget" was not in the list22:00
phdeswerfor the command line dbus stuff, check docs/dbus-send-test.txt22:01
xkr47is this something that is enabled elsewhere or am I missing something?22:01
phdeswerWell that was another issue. Connman has been too slow to notice the network interface was there. Well usb-moded has now some delayed network retry so it might not be an issue anymore.22:02
xkr47great22:02
phdeswerIt might still be blacklisted also in the connman config due to being so unreliable22:02
xkr47I did not see the "gadget" even a minute after connecting the cable tho22:02
xkr47hehe22:02
xkr47I think the gadget was listed in the GetTechnologies listing though22:03
xkr47need to check22:03
xkr47maybe there's some enable flag that is in the wrong position :)22:04
xkr47aha there you go, dbus-send-test talks about that22:04
dr_gogeta86hi phdeswer,22:04
dr_gogeta86did happen to you dbus doesn't start at all22:04
dr_gogeta86?22:04
xkr47phdeswer, thanks for all your input, will try tomorrow22:05
phdeswerdr_gogeta86: has happend.22:05
phdeswerxkr47: np. Ask more if you run into some issue22:05
xkr47thanks22:05
phdeswerdr_gogeta86: but that has been ages ago22:05
phdeswerBut if you are referring to your very slowly booting device I mentioned that I saw these weird delays which I found weirdly similar to dbus timeouts22:06
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dr_gogeta86I'm near to give up totally on that22:08
dr_gogeta86but why even systemd is slow22:09
dr_gogeta86?22:09
dr_gogeta86in a point when dbus isn't started yet22:09
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phdeswerwell systemd relies on dbus....22:14
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dr_gogeta86who starts systemd or dbus22:22
dr_gogeta86?22:22
leszekdr_gogeta86: systemd is the init system so basically the initrd (if something like that exists or the kernel starts it as its first programm)22:25
leszekdbus is then started by systemd as a service22:25
phdeswerand systemd should start dbus. But it seems to have a backup... since systemd still manages to boot, doing something after a dbus call has timed out (~30s)22:26
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dr_gogeta86phdeswer, at this point f* lg g322:32
dr_gogeta86:-D22:32
dr_gogeta86is just for accademia22:32
dr_gogeta86good night22:32
phdeswerI blame systemd ;)22:32
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