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| ArtVandalae | Hi all. I've been using my Jolla as my main driver for 2-3 months now. ~2 days ago, it started randomly getting hot and rebooting (it never used to reboot before). I also noticed the battery draining very quicky. I'm investigating this now, and it looks like the process "messageserver5" has the CPU pegged at 100%. Is there anything I can do to help identify/fix the issue? | 03:29 |
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| ArtVandalae | A regular kill doesn't stop the process. I've just needed to keep -9 it. I'm going to keep an eye out on the process, and see if I can find any info online | 03:31 |
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| ArtVandalae | Nothing in the logs either (journalctl). I killed the process, and it hasn't returned with a vengeance yet. I'll keep an eye out on it | 03:38 |
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| ArtVandalae | Damn -- messageserver5 spikes again :| | 05:35 |
| ArtVandalae | Deleted my email account -- let's see if anything changes | 05:36 |
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| pykape | good morning | 07:30 |
| pykape | I need some help with Qt Creator SSH connection not working anymore | 07:31 |
| pykape | I am getting this error: | 07:31 |
| pykape | SSH connection failure: SSH Protocol error: Server and client capabilities don't match. Client list was: aes128-cbc,3des-cbc. | 07:31 |
| pykape | Server list was chacha20-poly1305@openssh.com,aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr,aes128-gcm@openssh.com,aes256-gcm@openssh.com. | 07:31 |
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| coderus | add required Ciphers into sshd_config | 07:58 |
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| pykape | thx coderus | 09:00 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | hmhm | 12:09 |
| tortoisedoc_ | is there a way to debug the jolla-settings loading the quickactions ? | 12:09 |
| tortoisedoc_ | journalctl -f does not give much info :/ | 12:09 |
| tortoisedoc_ | btw tjc is under spam attack again | 12:10 |
| kimmoli | tortoisedoc_: https://together.jolla.com/question/117665/tjc-blacklist-a-user/?answer=117673#post-id-117673 | 12:14 |
| tortoisedoc_ | kimmoli : do you know a good way to debug jolla-settings plugins? | 12:14 |
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| kimmoli | not really | 12:15 |
| tortoisedoc_ | even after copying a definition from an existing one (flight mode) and changing name & id's it does not show.. | 12:15 |
| tortoisedoc_ | (in the list of possible fav's that is) | 12:15 |
| kimmoli | you don't see it in the possible fav shortcuts list? | 12:16 |
| tortoisedoc_ | no | 12:16 |
| tortoisedoc_ | and no errors in the journalctl either | 12:16 |
| kimmoli | it is a "switch" not "shorcut" ? | 12:16 |
| tortoisedoc_ | hmm | 12:16 |
| tortoisedoc_ | type : custom | 12:17 |
| kimmoli | as my settings show up nicely in the "shortcut" section | 12:17 |
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| kimmoli | moment... | 12:17 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | aha! | 12:18 |
| tortoisedoc_ | i had it in a subfolder from the entries/ folder | 12:18 |
| tortoisedoc_ | moving it to the main entries folder shows it :) | 12:18 |
| tortoisedoc_ | thanks kimmoli :) | 12:19 |
| kimmoli | nop i think | 12:19 |
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| kimmoli | SilicaListView has header which changes height depending on model selected by item on list, i ScrollToTop when tapping an intem. It scrolls always to top according to previous header height... meh. | 12:22 |
| tortoisedoc_ | huh | 12:22 |
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| coderus | tortoisedoc_: run jolla-settings in cli | 12:48 |
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| pavi | Guys any idea why there was no update on Glacier UI for Nemo ? http://locusf.blogspot.fi/2014/03/glacier-ui-homescreen-on-jolla.html nothing was from 2015 | 13:10 |
| pavi | ping locusf | 13:15 |
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| locusf | pavi: glacier now lives inside ASteroidOS, but dont worry, I've got plans on doing a DIY FOSS tablet with Nemo Mobile + Glacier | 13:39 |
| pavi | locusf: cool . so can I run glacier of SFOS 2 ? | 13:40 |
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| locusf | pavi: I have yet to test | 13:40 |
| locusf | pavi: probably wont work | 13:40 |
| pavi | locusf: I saw your instructions for glacier but since lot has changed was thinking it wont work | 13:41 |
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| pavi | Sailfish os is an awesome concept with Nemo .. nemo + glacier is a good competetion for cyanogenmod ;) | 13:44 |
| locusf | err Nemo is also an operating system | 13:45 |
| locusf | well its mer now and Glacier is the os | 13:46 |
| locusf | gah | 13:46 |
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| locusf | UI | 13:46 |
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| pavi | mer+ glacier UI . Mer doesnt have a UI of its own right ? | 13:51 |
| locusf | nope | 13:51 |
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| pavi | locusf: why do you say asteroid = nemo + glacier , isnt it mer+ glacier ? | 13:53 |
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| pavi | By the way https://together.jolla.com/questions/ is getting spammed . Hope someone checks it. I saw the message in #jolla | 13:57 |
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| locusf | pavi: it is | 14:13 |
| pavi | locusf: where is the page for asteroid ? | 14:14 |
| locusf | asteroidos.org | 14:14 |
| locusf | also theres #asteroid on freenode | 14:14 |
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| pavi | locusf: you mention it as smart watch os ! | 14:21 |
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| locusf | pavi: it is | 14:26 |
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| Victor | coderus: in the end seems the problem is the SD card in the phone. After copying a new file system in it, it starts corrupting files again :( | 14:28 |
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| coderus | Victor: you mean emmc? | 14:29 |
| Victor | yep | 14:30 |
| Victor | I've tried deleting the newly affected files and copying them again | 14:30 |
| Victor | which worked | 14:30 |
| Victor | but I expect to face the same problem again soon | 14:30 |
| Victor | we'll see :) | 14:31 |
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| kimmoli | Victor: check journal, there could be warnings about emmc misbehaving? | 14:35 |
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| Victor | kimmoli: how do i do that? | 14:37 |
| kimmoli | devel-su journalctl | 14:37 |
| kimmoli | and to follow it; devel-su journalctl -fa | 14:37 |
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| Victor | let me mount it and try to access from recovery mode (the phone doesn't boot) | 14:38 |
| Victor | seems to not work due to not all libraries being available, I'll try to figure out and create a chroot to run it later | 14:39 |
| Victor | thx kimmoli for the suggestion | 14:39 |
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| Victor | seems that /var/log/journal is empty, and at this moment the device doesn't boot, but is probably unrelated to that | 15:10 |
| Victor | does anyone know if it is possible to disable the boot logo and show the normal dmesg info? maybe there is something to see in there | 15:11 |
| kimmoli | afaik that is not possible | 15:13 |
| kimmoli | at least not easy | 15:13 |
| Victor | i see | 15:13 |
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| Victor | can anyone run file command from a normal linux distribution against init.rc? | 15:14 |
| Victor | the fact that all the binaries seem to be reported as MMDF mailbox sounds weird to me | 15:14 |
| Victor | but maybe is just because of the way arm binaries work (I have no clue) | 15:15 |
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| coderus | change journal config to have persistent joournal | 16:07 |
| coderus | then you can read it from recovery | 16:07 |
| Victor | thx, I've found in the meantime yet another problem: while recovering the data the files seemed to be good, but in fact they were not | 16:08 |
| Victor | I recovered them in another way and now at least they look proper | 16:08 |
| Victor | (ie: not all binaries are MMDF mailboxes, but they actually contain real data) | 16:09 |
| Victor | I'll recopy the system image and try enabling the persistent journal | 16:09 |
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| Victor | ok, great | 16:39 |
| Victor | phone up and working again :D | 16:39 |
| Victor | in the meantime I've learned quite a few tricks about btrfs | 16:40 |
| Victor | let's hope this doesn't blow up again in the future | 16:40 |
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| nh1402 | Victor: how about android? | 16:42 |
| Victor | I don't know. I've never used it in my jolla, but I would guess that as good (or bad) as it was before | 16:42 |
| Victor | seems there are some issues with the wifi | 16:43 |
| Victor | :/ | 16:43 |
| Victor | networking is not available pleas restart the device | 16:43 |
| Victor | I guess I'll still find a few surprises here and there :) | 16:43 |
| Victor | ok, now it works :) (factory reset again) | 16:49 |
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| mvaenskae | cheers, just downloaded the -oss version; how could i test it out now? :) | 17:35 |
| mvaenskae | preferably in a virtual environment | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | mvaenskae: generally you don't, you can probably with the aid of the release repositories rpmbuild each package but putting everything together as a whole is something i personally used to get $$$ for consulting in :P | 17:37 |
| mvaenskae | Stskeeps: i am mainly interested in seeing how sailfish runs without the proprietary components | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | mvaenskae: it doesn't really, it's a bunch of middleware and core packages, it'll boot up to a prompt but that's about it | 17:38 |
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| Stskeeps | you can try it out the harder way and grab a sailfish sdk, the emulator, and start rpm -e'ing packages | 17:39 |
| mvaenskae | ah, so no UI at all is included? | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | pretty much, mer core is based around the fact that different companies want different uis | 17:40 |
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| mvaenskae | thanks for clarifying this :) | 17:42 |
| mvaenskae | hm, the merproject's wiki is down; what version of sailfish is given to the nexus5 if you can answer the question? :) | 17:42 |
| mvaenskae | i will check if i have space to run it on my nexus 5 :) | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | sailfishos standard minus the 3rd party bits (xt9, alien dalvik, exchange) | 17:43 |
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| mvaenskae | xt9 would be only one i could miss out on i guess | 17:44 |
| mvaenskae | exchange and alien dalvik is not really that important to me :) | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | well, a lot of people like being able to run android apps | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:44 |
| mvaenskae | i have a nexus 5 for that :D | 17:44 |
| mvaenskae | and multirom should give me both :) | 17:45 |
| mvaenskae | Stskeeps: may i ask how the merproject got the "closed ui" parts for the hammerhead port? | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | mvaenskae: as part of us being happy about our community we provide a hardware adaptation development kit for people to port to new devices | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | mvaenskae: the ui and stuff is downloadable from the sailfishos release infra | 17:47 |
| mvaenskae | and the ui/extras are released in a closed blob i guess :) | 17:49 |
| mvaenskae | but have a public API | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | well, it's more like that our hw adaptation methods are structured so neatly that you can take mer + sailfish + a hw adaptation of your own, and it'll work | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | because hw adaptation for the most part ties into middlewar | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | ee | 17:52 |
| mvaenskae | where does the hw adaption wedge itself between in? | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | oh god, everywhere.. | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | gstreamer plugins, qt QPA plugins, opengl es providing, ofono plugin | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | etc | 17:53 |
| pavi | no one is fixing the mer wiki? | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | pavi: i think lbt might be trying to have a life | 17:54 |
| mvaenskae | there's also webcache | 17:54 |
| pavi | when tjc got spammed it got fixed , expected the same treatment for mer wiki :P | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | pavi: jolla domains have people we can pester in their private life when infra goes wrong | 17:55 |
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| Stskeeps | mer, not so much :) | 17:55 |
| pavi | lol ok | 17:55 |
| pavi | mer was the community project , thought it could have more ppl on it during sundays | 17:56 |
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| r0kk3rz | pavi: yeah but its a case of access for the most part i think | 18:00 |
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| mvaenskae | thanks for clarifying that, that helps me tie up sailfishos now for my report :) shame some of the stuff is closed off but a lot os open and that is awesomesauce :) | 18:01 |
| pavi | r0kk3rz: yeah was thinking the same. | 18:01 |
| pavi | mvaenskae: Stskeeps What about mer + glacier ui on top , it should work and still be open source | 18:02 |
| r0kk3rz | mvaenskae: from a practical level its open enough for most purposes | 18:03 |
| r0kk3rz | given that the UI for the most part is in plaintext qml | 18:03 |
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| Stskeeps | r0kk3rz: legally it's not open though, let's not confuse tht | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | a | 18:08 |
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| r0kk3rz | yeah true, but at the moment that only really effects commercial uses | 18:12 |
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| urjaman | (it does have other effects, like making doing-it-together re: the UI a little bit harder...) | 18:13 |
| r0kk3rz | urjaman: these days UIs are such designer driven things though, so there will always be limited DIT when it comes to UIs | 18:14 |
| urjaman | designer + the 11 UI patches on my phone... | 18:16 |
| * Stskeeps hopes the future is a minimal ui + a big number of temes on top | 18:16 | |
| r0kk3rz | yes i imagine with a fully open UI we would see a UI fork already i think | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ_9-Qx5Hz4 ) | 18:16 |
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| r0kk3rz | Stskeeps: interesting, although i dont think she anthropomorphized memes and temes enough | 18:43 |
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| r0kk3rz | not entirely sure i get the somewhat poorly defined 'technological memes' that are so obviously different from the memes of before | 19:02 |
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| Stskeeps | r0kk3rz: i don't think we've fully seen those yet, but an example could be 'uber'.. | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | a set of behaviours | 19:08 |
| r0kk3rz | isnt uber basically a market place though? someones offering something, someones looking to buy, and it puts buyer and seller together | 19:11 |
| r0kk3rz | unless we go from uber to mana somehow, maybe via cortana/siri type personal assistants | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | sure, but it's also a way of doing things.. | 19:11 |
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| r0kk3rz | *manna | 19:12 |
| r0kk3rz | http://marshallbrain.com/manna1.htm if you dont get the reference | 19:14 |
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| Stskeeps | i got the reference after seeing that url :P | 19:15 |
| r0kk3rz | thought you might have come across it | 19:16 |
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| r0kk3rz | actually more i think about it, uber really is manna v1 | 19:37 |
| r0kk3rz | an app that tells you to go here, pick up person x, take them to y for reward z | 19:38 |
| r0kk3rz | have uber pay drivers to circulate during peakish hours using a staggered pattern | 19:39 |
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| coderus | SailfishOS Tint Overlay: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/tint-overlay | 19:53 |
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| Silur | I'm curious about the sailfish os' privacy policy | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | Silur: https://jolla.com/privacy-policy/ | 20:16 |
| Silur | about service surveillance like androids playstore | 20:16 |
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| Silur | that cannot be disabled and sells my IMEI and location out even if i disable it in the options | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | well, read ours | 20:16 |
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| Silur | well it's quite sad that jolla says they are "truly independent" yet collects IMEI, email, and IP too | 20:19 |
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| Stskeeps | well that went south quickly.. | 20:24 |
| urjaman | left with an ip? | 20:26 |
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| tbr | Stskeeps: obviously jolla should randomize the IMEI on every boot and only use TOR for network comms. never mind all the obstacles | 20:34 |
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| Stskeeps | tbr: heh, now if we at all could even touch the IMEI.. :) | 20:37 |
| urjaman | i was going to say that some other people might have something to say about randomized IMEI :P | 20:38 |
| M4rtinK | I have heard about some IMEI manipulation hacks on Symbian | 20:39 |
| urjaman | yeah I think the stuff i had for my old symbian (2nd ed) phones could've changed imei, but not sure because i didnt try | 20:40 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: obviously that's what I meant | 20:42 |
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| r0kk3rz | unfortunately even 'truly independent' organisations still have to abide within the law of the land | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | we'll get there eventually where it's a glorious blockchain network doing the organisational work: | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:50 |
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