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| lainwir3d | \o | 07:29 |
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| avrelaun | Hi, I'm looking for android alternatives, and looking for differences between sailfish and tizen, could you point me to them ? | 07:34 |
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| avrelaun | (I was on firefox os for a year, but getting tired of waiting for needed features, like openvpn and carddav support) | 07:35 |
| avrelaun | (I'm currently on OmniROM, great AOSP rom, but not much activity) | 07:35 |
| avrelaun | AFAIK, tizen is almost completely FOSS, sailfish ui is proprietary | 07:36 |
| tbr | I don't think you'll find people familiar with tizen here | 07:36 |
| avrelaun | though sailfish seems more "open" | 07:37 |
| tbr | it's certainly more tinker friendly | 07:37 |
| avrelaun | So, regarding sailfish, few questions: Does the jolla store require registration for downloading/updating apps ? | 07:38 |
| Nicd- | yes | 07:38 |
| avrelaun | and regarding android app compatibility, is Waze supported ? | 07:38 |
| lainwir3d | yeah | 07:38 |
| avrelaun | Firefox ? | 07:38 |
| Nicd- | firefox should work, at least it used to when I had it installed | 07:38 |
| tbr | the browser is gecko based | 07:38 |
| avrelaun | nice | 07:39 |
| Nicd- | I mean android firefox | 07:39 |
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| lainwir3d | Don't know never tried. Don't really care about it actually. | 07:39 |
| lainwir3d | but i think it should work | 07:39 |
| Nicd- | but you need a jolla phone to use the android layer | 07:39 |
| avrelaun | I see | 07:39 |
| Nicd- | (or a jolla tablet) | 07:39 |
| avrelaun | do html5 apps get treated the same way as native apps ? | 07:39 |
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| tbr | you can somewhat run android ndk apps on non-jolla phones though | 07:40 |
| avrelaun | ok | 07:40 |
| Nicd- | avrelaun: there are no html5 apps I think | 07:41 |
| Nicd- | unless you put a qt webview in an app | 07:41 |
| avrelaun | also, I see mer and nemo referenced on sailfish os website: mer is a common framework with tizen, right ? also, what's nemo ? | 07:41 |
| TemeV | mer is the disribution sailfish is based on, nemo is open source alternatice | 07:42 |
| Yaniel | nemo is a userspace built on top of mer AFAIK | 07:42 |
| avrelaun | kk | 07:42 |
| TemeV | nemo is kind of open source version of sailfish | 07:43 |
| TemeV | But afaik not really ready for daily use | 07:43 |
| avrelaun | and n900/n950 centric apparently | 07:43 |
| Armadillo | notifications and qml plugins have been allowed for harbour now | 07:43 |
| Nicd- | also sailfish builds on top of nemo middleware | 07:44 |
| Nicd- | and mer and nemo are being merged | 07:45 |
| Nicd- | it's a lovely mess :) | 07:45 |
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| avrelaun | Merge ALL the things ! | 07:51 |
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| lainwir3d | Merge nemo, the kernel, and openbsd. NOW. | 07:52 |
| tortoisedoc | openbsd? | 07:53 |
| * tortoisedoc shrugs | 07:53 | |
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| lainwir3d | Yeah, just so we can compare in the git repositories how much better we are than them | 07:54 |
| lainwir3d | :P | 07:54 |
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| daitheflu | good morning :) | 08:07 |
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| daitheflu | kimmoli: sorry for the tweet-storm ;) | 09:59 |
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| kimmoli | np | 10:04 |
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| coderus | find: /home/deploy/installroot: No such file or directory | 11:44 |
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| mgrover | hello, for cover actions, can text be set instead of images? | 11:59 |
| coderus | no | 12:00 |
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| mgrover | crap | 12:00 |
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| mgrover | i take it theres no way to code it in manually? since a gridview with delegate wouldnt let me have a custom one | 12:01 |
| coderus | put text above actions | 12:01 |
| mgrover | i want the text to be the actions, basically a users "favourite stations" would be accessible from the cover page | 12:01 |
| coderus | why you want to put text instead of icons? its weird imho | 12:01 |
| mgrover | ^^ | 12:02 |
| coderus | think about better ux | 12:02 |
| mgrover | well the coverpage now has clickable buttons rather than swipes, meaning it can be used as a widget, if a user can look at the cover, press there favourite station and instantly open the search results for that | 12:03 |
| coderus | just settings to set two fav stations and two icons with #1 and #2 on them is not enooough? | 12:03 |
| tortoisedoc | mgrover : go overkill, render a text to an image and assign it as cover image :) | 12:03 |
| mgrover | I was actually thinking that, but the amount of hackiness is just badd | 12:04 |
| tortoisedoc | mgrover : i'd worry most about the waste of resources :) | 12:04 |
| tortoisedoc | but yeah | 12:04 |
| tortoisedoc | is it worth it | 12:04 |
| mgrover | no lol | 12:04 |
| tortoisedoc | i mean, you get max 1 cover action | 12:04 |
| urjaman | doesnt the thing render all text to images anyways :P | 12:04 |
| mgrover | does it? | 12:04 |
| tortoisedoc | urjaman : w0t | 12:05 |
| urjaman | i think that was the problem with opening multi-megabyte text files to the edit component | 12:05 |
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| urjaman | it tries to render it all and OOME | 12:05 |
| tortoisedoc | lol | 12:05 |
| tortoisedoc | seriously? | 12:05 |
| tortoisedoc | yeah actually | 12:05 |
| tortoisedoc | the notes app does the same | 12:05 |
| tortoisedoc | :D | 12:05 |
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| mgrover | if people remembewr the order of there favourites they can just guess | 12:06 |
| tortoisedoc | mgrover : then its half a fav imo | 12:06 |
| tortoisedoc | you still need to remember the list :P | 12:06 |
| mgrover | exactly lol, if they just let me use text | 12:07 |
| mgrover | I might actually make a qml type of it... | 12:07 |
| mgrover | yeahhh Text type | 12:08 |
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| mgrover | and it doesn't like text type :( | 12:11 |
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| coderus | :D | 12:12 |
| coderus | so put text above icon is sooo baaad? | 12:12 |
| mgrover | yeah because it seems so mehh | 12:13 |
| coderus | text instead of icon - that's a mehh | 12:13 |
| mgrover | lemme get you a screenshot | 12:13 |
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| coderus | did you tried to put empty icon value to cover action and try to position text on cover to fit in action area? :D | 12:14 |
| mgrover | thats a good idea :P | 12:15 |
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| leszek | oh great qsettings creates windows ini files and can't handle freedesktop.org standards. That makes my day instead of 4 lines of code I know need 400 :( | 12:17 |
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| mgrover | coderus: http://i58.tinypic.com/244o849.png | 12:18 |
| mgrover | thats basically how am trying to get it to look, i just need some click functionality | 12:18 |
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| tortoisedoc | leszek : nonono | 12:20 |
| tortoisedoc | leszek : use MDesktopEntry from mlite package | 12:20 |
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| leszek | tortoisedoc: can this create valid desktop files ? | 12:21 |
| tortoisedoc | Leszek: it can read them, I presume it should be able to serialize them correctly as well | 12:23 |
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| leszek | it can only read them | 12:23 |
| leszek | thats the problem I guess | 12:23 |
| tortoisedoc | https://github.com/nemomobile/mlite | 12:23 |
| tortoisedoc | well | 12:23 |
| tortoisedoc | there's probably one workaround or another available for that | 12:23 |
| tortoisedoc | how comes you need to write them? | 12:24 |
| tortoisedoc | yeah it can read only | 12:24 |
| leszek | tortoisedoc: I basically want to write the mimecache.info file for file associations to finish my app to set file associations | 12:26 |
| leszek | and the mimecache.info uses a freedesktop.org like format | 12:27 |
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| tortoisedoc | leszek : ah | 12:27 |
| leszek | qsettings would be great if it could write this format aswell. Especially for the linux world | 12:27 |
| tortoisedoc | hmm isnt mimecache.info binary file? | 12:27 |
| leszek | but it can only windows ini and mac plist | 12:27 |
| leszek | no a normal textfile | 12:28 |
| coderus | leszek: what, writing to mimecache.info? go to hell | 12:28 |
| coderus | use xdg | 12:28 |
| coderus | xdg-mime | 12:28 |
| tortoisedoc | i support coderus in this | 12:28 |
| leszek | coderus: that does not work | 12:28 |
| coderus | i'll find and kill you if you want to write that config manually | 12:28 |
| tortoisedoc | leszek : thats due to a bug in xdg on jolla | 12:28 |
| tortoisedoc | :D | 12:28 |
| coderus | get a fixed xdg-mime then | 12:28 |
| leszek | oh well. thats the reason I want to write to that file manually :P | 12:28 |
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| tortoisedoc | leszek : see here https://together.jolla.com/question/110408/xdg-open-no-longer-working/ | 12:29 |
| tortoisedoc | leszek : especially the comments to the first question | 12:30 |
| leszek | hmm... | 12:32 |
| leszek | ok seems to work when I link defaults.list to mimeapps.list | 12:36 |
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| tortoisedoc | yeah | 12:42 |
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| coderus | can't start am at 1.1.9.28. need attah... | 13:12 |
| tortoisedoc | coderus : cant start w0t | 13:13 |
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| coderus | am :) | 13:14 |
| coderus | android intents thingy | 13:14 |
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| tortoisedoc | agh | 13:21 |
| tortoisedoc | *ah ;) | 13:22 |
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| nick2000 | hi | 17:15 |
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| Nokius_work | nick2000: o/ | 17:41 |
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| nick2000 | when they will fix the sf2.0 horisontal wrong pulley menu size bug? | 17:45 |
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| Yaniel | maybe in 1.2.x aka the actual sf2.0 | 17:46 |
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| leszek_ | I thought this was done on intention | 17:56 |
| r0kk3rz | probably intentional | 17:57 |
| r0kk3rz | do you really need the whole width of your landscape tablet to be a pulley menu? | 17:57 |
| lachs0r | still looks weird though | 17:59 |
| Yaniel | nah | 18:00 |
| Yaniel | well, slightly awkward since the menu actually spans the whole screen width | 18:00 |
| Yaniel | but the marker not | 18:00 |
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| coderus | it's not broken, its new design | 18:27 |
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| FloR707 | Hi, I updated my qt creator and now I can release or debug my app on the phone. qt always tries to run it in the virtual machine… | 19:48 |
| FloR707 | can someone tell me what the correct build settings for the Mer device should be? | 19:49 |
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| FloR707 | I just see that under managing kits the MerSDK-SailfishOS-armv7hl has a red exclamation mark. "Mer Tool Chain cannot be used for x86 architectures" | 20:05 |
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| coderus | FloR707: in qtc you have phone device added? | 20:08 |
| FloR707 | Yes, I did. | 20:08 |
| coderus | and you need to assign this device to kit | 20:08 |
| FloR707 | How do I do that? | 20:08 |
| coderus | in kit page there is device comboboox | 20:09 |
| FloR707 | THanks I found it. | 20:09 |
| FloR707 | Okay. Got it running. Haven't hat this issue with the updates before... | 20:10 |
| coderus | you reinstalled/readded device, so you need to assign it | 20:11 |
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| FloR707 | Since the update to 2.0 my keepAlive hack is not working properly anymore. What is the right way to keep the phone alive so that my countdown keeps working? | 20:20 |
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| coderus | keepalive cant not work | 20:25 |
| coderus | you did it wrong initially then | 20:26 |
| FloR707 | What I did was playing a mute wav file every couple of seconds to prevent the phone from going into deep sleep and messing with my timers. Know this is not working properly anymore. As soon as the display turn off my timers are a mess. | 20:28 |
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| coderus | what?.. | 20:40 |
| coderus | https://github.com/tanghus/kitchen-timer-qml/tree/master/src/insomniac or https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-keepalive | 20:42 |
| coderus | can use anything | 20:42 |
| FloR707 | I was toled nemo-keepalive is not working yet. | 20:42 |
| coderus | it can't not work | 20:43 |
| coderus | you using it wrong then | 20:43 |
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| FloR707 | I am not using nemo-keep alive. I have to little knowledge to understand how I can implement it. | 20:44 |
| coderus | check insomniac then | 20:45 |
| coderus | its slightly simple | 20:45 |
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| FloR707 | I am just reading through the code. | 20:45 |
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| r0kk3rz | coderus: spiiroin was saying something about it not being ready or something | 20:51 |
| r0kk3rz | but yes, playing a mute wav is a bit of a dirty hack | 20:52 |
| FloR707 | Sorry I have no clue. I was trying things until something worked. The kitchen timer is to complex for me at the moment. I need more time to understand that… | 20:53 |
| r0kk3rz | FloR707: https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-keepalive/blob/master/examples/displayblanking/displayblanking.cpp | 20:54 |
| r0kk3rz | thats rather straight forward to implement i think | 20:54 |
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| FloR707 | If you understand what you are doing I guess so =) | 20:55 |
| FloR707 | There are always so many includes. I never know if these are standard libraries or something special I also need to add... | 20:56 |
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| r0kk3rz | qcoreapp and qtimer are qt things | 20:57 |
| r0kk3rz | the displayblanking .h is what you need | 20:57 |
| FloR707 | and the ../common/debugf.h probably as well right? | 20:57 |
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| FloR707 | And I need to make the function available in qml. | 20:59 |
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| FloR707 | I'll give it a try some day… | 20:59 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | grrr | 21:20 |
| tortoisedoc_ | this sigill is making me go m4d | 21:20 |
| coderus | kitchen timer is complex.. tanghus level up! | 21:20 |
| tortoisedoc_ | to make it even more complex | 21:21 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | it appears to happen only on a specific app | 21:21 |
| tortoisedoc_ | and not on others.. | 21:21 |
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| coderus | tortoisedoc: ehat is your ptoblem today? :D | 21:21 |
| tortoisedoc_ | the same as yesterday unfortunately :/ | 21:22 |
| tortoisedoc_ | gdb stepping causes sigill | 21:22 |
| tortoisedoc_ | on latest sdk | 21:22 |
| tortoisedoc_ | only on one app :D | 21:22 |
| tortoisedoc_ | coderus : something like this -> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/25443689/remote-debugging-with-gdb-programm-dies-after-sigill-illegal-instruction | 21:23 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | tried reinstalling sdk | 21:24 |
| tortoisedoc_ | no help | 21:24 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | started happening when i dl latest sdk and emulator for tablet | 21:25 |
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| * tortoisedoc_ pokes Stskeeps | 21:31 | |
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| tortoisedoc_ | where's the sfos kernel? | 21:33 |
| tortoisedoc_ | dang | 21:34 |
| tortoisedoc_ | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Compiling_Jolla_kernel | 21:34 |
| tortoisedoc_ | :/ | 21:34 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | double-dang : http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb | 21:35 |
| tortoisedoc_ | all gotten from here ;_; | 21:35 |
| tortoisedoc_ | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Source | 21:35 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | hmm ok | 21:37 |
| tortoisedoc_ | so mer lacks the linux kernel | 21:37 |
| tortoisedoc_ | ...and of course, sfos dev pages list only old distro in source tree | 21:39 |
| tortoisedoc_ | http://releases.sailfishos.org/sources/ | 21:39 |
| tortoisedoc_ | oh well | 21:39 |
| tortoisedoc_ | thats too much for me at this time | 21:40 |
| tortoisedoc_ | gnigh yer ole saggiers! ararar | 21:40 |
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| coderus | tortoisedoc: remote gdb? tried local gdb? | 21:53 |
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| Stskeeps | jfred: yeah, my career seems to have been all about making people able to communicate with eachother | 23:34 |
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| jfred | Stskeeps: I've always found that kind of thing interesting haha | 23:37 |
| jfred | been playing around with Matrix lately | 23:37 |
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