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| urjaman | https://sailfishos.org/developmentroadmap/ "Intex device related adaptation: Package dhd", so the Intex device will be able to dial stargates? :P (dial home device) ... but really, curious as to what is dhd? :P | 02:29 |
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| daitheflu | morning ! | 08:10 |
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| locusf | urjaman: its a porters term, droid-hal-device | 08:43 |
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| tortoisedoc | so they plan to offer sailfishos also for other Intex phones? | 08:44 |
| tortoisedoc | that would be kewl | 08:44 |
| locusf | duno | 08:44 |
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| zGrr | moin :) | 09:12 |
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| rubdos | Is it possible to debug android apps on my Jolla? | 09:57 |
| rubdos | Have to debug one for school and I don't like emulators ;p | 09:57 |
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| stephg | rubdos: https://together.jolla.com/question/36604/android-debug-traces/ | 10:02 |
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| jfred | Stskeeps: I didn't realize you started the UnrealIRCd project... I keep seeing people from here popping up all over the open source world haha | 15:34 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | bla | 18:16 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | hm | 18:33 |
| tortoisedoc_ | interesting | 18:33 |
| tortoisedoc_ | seems my sdk wants to deploy to emulator no matter what now :D | 18:33 |
| Guest_ | it knows that no real tablets are delivered yet anyway | 18:33 |
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| artemma | and phones are so last year | 18:34 |
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| r0kk3rz | virtual phones are the future | 18:41 |
| r0kk3rz | its all in the cloud | 18:41 |
| tortoisedoc_ | yes | 18:42 |
| tortoisedoc_ | the cloud | 18:42 |
| tortoisedoc_ | this inexplicable something that exists out there but is virtual | 18:42 |
| tortoisedoc_ | VIRTUAL | 18:42 |
| tortoisedoc_ | all caps looks betta | 18:42 |
| artemma | yeah like you can install virtual android on jolla for example ) | 18:42 |
| tortoisedoc_ | and then virtual jolla in virtual android which is on jolla | 18:43 |
| tortoisedoc_ | phone-ception | 18:43 |
| Coolg33k | CYBERVIRTUAL | 18:43 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | w00 d33pr | 18:45 |
| tortoisedoc_ | into the v1rtu4l | 18:45 |
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| FloR707 | Hi. Since Sailfish OS 2.0 I have two issues with my app. The option keep the display on and my function to keep it from going to idle is not work anymore. Anyone who can tell me a 2.0 app at Git where I could get some "inspiration" for those functions =) | 18:48 |
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| spiiroin | FloR707: in that regard nothing should have changed | 19:01 |
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| FloR707 | I properly did not do it right and my hacks do not work anymore | 19:01 |
| spiiroin | there is nemo keepalive, once we manage to get that harbor okayed | 19:03 |
| tortoisedoc_ | hmhm | 19:03 |
| spiiroin | https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-keepalive/tree/master | 19:04 |
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| spiiroin | I have a feeling that the glib version in there is "least wrong" | 19:05 |
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| lachs0r | speaking of virtualization, any plans on making the SDK use libvirt? | 19:06 |
| lachs0r | (or is that already the case? been a while since I’ve touched it) | 19:06 |
| tortoisedoc_ | libvirt? | 19:06 |
| tortoisedoc_ | i think its using qemu atm | 19:07 |
| lachs0r | so not virtualbox anymore? that’s great too | 19:07 |
| tortoisedoc_ | ah | 19:08 |
| tortoisedoc_ | no virtualbox is still there | 19:08 |
| lachs0r | libvirt offers some abstraction for various virtualization “backends” which could be KVM/qemu, virtualbox and others | 19:09 |
| spiiroin | FloR707: actually I just remembered, there was one bug that was fixed. the faulty behavior due to the bug might have made faulty blank prevention work kind of "as expected" | 19:09 |
| lachs0r | the SDK’s system config *should* work with whatever libvirt supports. at least I’m quite sure it can be expressed as libvirt config | 19:10 |
| tortoisedoc_ | grumble | 19:10 |
| tortoisedoc_ | something broke mlite | 19:10 |
| tortoisedoc_ | again | 19:10 |
| FloR707 | I am just looking at this nemo-keepalive | 19:10 |
| tortoisedoc_ | accessing keys that do not exist in the .desktop files causes illegal instructions exceptions | 19:10 |
| tortoisedoc_ | cant really keep it working eh | 19:10 |
| FloR707 | So you are not sure if this code would pass QC? | 19:12 |
| spiiroin | FloR707: stuck somewhere in the pipeline https://together.jolla.com/question/93323/harbour-api-request-keep-screen-onprevent-screen-blanking/ | 19:13 |
| spiiroin | FloR707: using dbus is ok afaik, but ... it still needs to be right to work | 19:15 |
| spiiroin | FloR707: key thing: the blank prevent needs to be repeated < every 60 seconds or it gets dropped | 19:16 |
| spiiroin | FloR707: there was a bug that might have made it so that display stays on even if the repeats are omitted | 19:17 |
| FloR707 | I am just looking at https://github.com/skvark/SailKino/blob/master/src/kinoAPI.cpp#L283 | 19:17 |
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| FloR707 | I haven't messed around with dbus so far so this is all Chinese for me. | 19:18 |
| spiiroin | yes, and that is done wrong - it is not supposed to work that way | 19:18 |
| spiiroin | FloR707: this was discussed in devel mailing list, see -> https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2015-September/006516.html | 19:20 |
| FloR707 | Thanks for your help but I have to little experience to understand how to use that. What is going on below "in main function:" what main function? | 19:24 |
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| spiiroin | I'm not sure what you mean... main() is the entry point to apps written in c (and c++) , but you probably do not meant that | 19:28 |
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| FloR707 | Does he mean the harbour-appname.cpp main? | 19:29 |
| spiiroin | ok, now I got it - the initial devel list mail. yeah, main() entry point needs to set up qt app object / whatnot and enter qt mainloop | 19:31 |
| spiiroin | and that blanking mode object is initialized there too, before entering the mainloop I guess | 19:31 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | hmm | 19:33 |
| tortoisedoc_ | this seems to be more critical | 19:34 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | every single stepping in debugging seems to cause an illegal instruction.. | 19:34 |
| FloR707 | What i have is this: http://ideone.com/lxKu91 | 19:34 |
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| lachs0r | tortoisedoc_: sounds like you’re compiling for the wrong processor target | 19:35 |
| tortoisedoc_ | lachs0r : im compiling armv7 -> running on phone.. | 19:35 |
| tortoisedoc_ | hm | 19:35 |
| tortoisedoc_ | program runs until it hits a breakpoitn | 19:35 |
| tortoisedoc_ | at that point the next instruction (or a few after that) will sigill | 19:35 |
| tortoisedoc_ | but yea I had switched to tablet for a while | 19:36 |
| tortoisedoc_ | and then switched back to device | 19:36 |
| tortoisedoc_ | and | 19:37 |
| tortoisedoc_ | Building target platforms: armv7hl-meego-linux | 19:37 |
| tortoisedoc_ | Building for target armv7hl-meego-linux E | 19:37 |
| spiiroin | FloR707: that is wrong too; as is anything that does not repeat those "req_display_blanking_pause requests" method calls | 19:37 |
| tortoisedoc_ | so i *should* be building and running the correct thing. | 19:37 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | weird weird weird | 19:41 |
| lachs0r | google “gdb causing sigill”, get tons of ARM EABI results | 19:41 |
| FloR707 | No I did something else. I did not get this dbus thing running so I used this: http://ideone.com/lxKu91 | 19:43 |
| FloR707 | keepAlive is a mute wav file. | 19:44 |
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| spiiroin | ??? | 19:46 |
| r0kk3rz | wow | 19:47 |
| spiiroin | if nemo-keepalive were already ok to use, you'd just need to: | 19:47 |
| lachs0r | tortoisedoc_: so, seems to be a kernel/gdb thing. | 19:47 |
| spiiroin | import org.nemomobile.keepalive 1.1 | 19:47 |
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| lachs0r | tortoisedoc_: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/766 same issue? | 19:47 |
| spiiroin | DisplayBlanking.preventBlanking = true | 19:47 |
| spiiroin | from qml | 19:48 |
| spiiroin | like here: https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-keepalive/blob/master/examples/qml/blanking.qml | 19:48 |
| FloR707 | But it is not. So it does not help =( | 19:49 |
| spiiroin | the code snippet that you showed more or less works if it is augmented with a timer that repeats the blanking pause | 19:50 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | lachs0r : it might be more serious than gdb , see here https://www.sourceware.org/ml/gdb/2012-01/msg00071.html | 19:52 |
| tortoisedoc_ | crap | 19:52 |
| tortoisedoc_ | how comes it worked before | 19:52 |
| tortoisedoc_ | hm ok | 19:52 |
| tortoisedoc_ | i *think* i never run arm code on this version of the sdk | 19:52 |
| tortoisedoc_ | like 99% | 19:53 |
| lachs0r | ugh | 19:53 |
| lachs0r | how come linus isn’t furious | 19:53 |
| tortoisedoc_ | :D | 19:53 |
| tortoisedoc_ | we might get linus rage soon! | 19:53 |
| lachs0r | breaking user space etc. (breaking debugging at that!) | 19:53 |
| lachs0r | idk, that change looks very old | 19:53 |
| tortoisedoc_ | hmhm but but | 19:55 |
| tortoisedoc_ | 3.18.10+ on the rpi seems to fix this | 19:55 |
| tortoisedoc_ | whats jphone running | 19:55 |
| tortoisedoc_ | 3.4.106.20150416 | 19:55 |
| tortoisedoc_ | :D | 19:55 |
| lachs0r | something based on a much older branch with god knows what patches in it | 19:55 |
| tortoisedoc_ | was it so gcc was just recently updated? | 19:55 |
| lachs0r | typical arm device frankenkernel | 19:56 |
| tortoisedoc_ | in the sfsdk? | 19:56 |
| * tortoisedoc_ shurgs | 19:56 | |
| tortoisedoc_ | did anyone else have this? | 19:56 |
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| jpakkane | Gcc went from 4.6 to 4.8 in 1.1.7. | 19:56 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | it must be something that has been noticed by someone else as well | 19:57 |
| tortoisedoc_ | i mean this blocks debugging 100% | 19:57 |
| lachs0r | I think (or at least hope) someone would have noticed this before any packages that break this got pushed :D | 19:57 |
| tortoisedoc_ | unless everyone has been 100% developing for the tablet :D | 19:57 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | you'd think test cases would check this :P | 19:58 |
| FloR707 | I just updated qt and now I get this "Error: ….armv7hl.rpm has wrong architecture: armv7hl" what's wrong now??? | 19:58 |
| lachs0r | looks like your device opted for architecture reassignment surgery | 20:00 |
| leszek | hmm... calling an app that is already opened does not execute it again but switches to the open app by default now. That makes my app pointless that I created to change the default browser. As when it is opened it will just never load the url I want it to load | 20:01 |
| tortoisedoc_ | what the heck is happening here :D | 20:02 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | all architecture is breaking loose | 20:02 |
| lachs0r | app to change the default browser? shouldn’t this go through standard xdg stuff? | 20:02 |
| tortoisedoc_ | lachs0r : depends | 20:03 |
| tortoisedoc_ | if it goes through libcontent action, its not xdg | 20:03 |
| leszek | lachs0r: yes it goes. Thats what I did. Though as I mentioned before it works as long as the browser is closed | 20:03 |
| leszek | but if it is already opened up and you for example click an url in tweetian it will just switch to the browser but not load the link as it isn't executing the command again just switching (like a taskswitcher) to the already opened instance | 20:04 |
| leszek | and there is no way for the browser to know what link was clicked | 20:04 |
| leszek | I know how sailfish-browser does it. It has apparently a dbus daemon running in the background listening to url requests. And the default browser which is set is basically that dbus call. Though no 3rd party can hook into that dbus thingy | 20:05 |
| lachs0r | urgh | 20:06 |
| lachs0r | that’s pretty awful | 20:06 |
| tortoisedoc_ | hmm | 20:06 |
| tortoisedoc_ | it cant be gcc | 20:06 |
| tortoisedoc_ | gcc 4.6.3-14+rpi1 | 20:06 |
| tortoisedoc_ | caused the trouble for the rpi1 case | 20:06 |
| leszek | I am still under the impression that the Silica API only went through some design improvements. I don't see any big new changes that would make the life of us developers easier. (besides creating now screen independant apps for different resolutions) | 20:06 |
| tortoisedoc_ | so most likely we could have noticed earlier the same issue | 20:07 |
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| artemma | well, resolution independence is quite big ui step, isn't it? | 20:08 |
| lachs0r | on desktop linux, launching the browser again would just use dbus or some other method of IPC to check if there’s an instance running and send it there, if so configured, but applications would never call the browser IPC APIs directly | 20:08 |
| artemma | and I guess the rest of whoever was able to was working on other tablet things such as hw adaptation | 20:08 |
| lachs0r | it’s pretty odd considering sfos otherwise tends to adhere to freedesktop etc. | 20:08 |
| tortoisedoc_ | lachs0r : hah, xdg on sfos is pretty buggy | 20:09 |
| leszek | artemma: yeah the resolution independency isn't black magic though. You just need to plan it beforehand | 20:09 |
| artemma | I'd love to see more improvements, but we have what we have | 20:09 |
| lachs0r | tortoisedoc_: I guess xdg in particular has some properties that might not work out with the traditional smartphone UI/UX concepts? | 20:09 |
| artemma | not using jolla as a daily device anymore, but I've heard performance and battery life improved noticeably as well | 20:10 |
| leszek | its a good improvement. But with the goal to open up sailfishos 2.0 to hardware partners and more developers basically its simply too many things that are still missing from the API. I would gladly work on that stuff and make it available. But with no chance to make it official I am not so in the mood to do it | 20:10 |
| tortoisedoc_ | lachs0r : more or less no, except it does not work well with other solutions (like libcontentaction) | 20:11 |
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| * artemma would love to see promised security and privacy. Not for privacy per se, but for opening APIs eventually | 20:11 | |
| artemma | and who knows, maybe app/developer support-economy could follow | 20:11 |
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| leszek | artemma: yeah new graphicsdriver tweaks and lipstick now on a diet RAM wise. Aswell as some UI tweaking of effects | 20:11 |
| tortoisedoc_ | artemma : battery life has been better | 20:11 |
| Aard | leszek: it's one of the smaller updates. the whole thing is basically just a marketing stunt | 20:11 |
| tortoisedoc_ | artemma : there is flattr support now in store :) | 20:12 |
| artemma | yeah, sure, flattr :D | 20:12 |
| tortoisedoc_ | :D | 20:12 |
| leszek | Aard: hopefully the big update will come with stuff also improving for developers | 20:12 |
| tortoisedoc_ | well better than raw paypal :P | 20:12 |
| tortoisedoc_ | I have given up hope for the paid app support, really | 20:12 |
| tortoisedoc_ | jolla is not really pushing it | 20:12 |
| tortoisedoc_ | and why should they | 20:12 |
| phaeron | it was neglected to mention in 1.1.7 that we switched on thumb2 and neon for arm | 20:12 |
| tortoisedoc_ | their focus is the ecosystem | 20:12 |
| artemma | imho even paid apps might mean zero for developers without jolla's sponsorship (too small market) | 20:12 |
| tortoisedoc_ | not the developers | 20:12 |
| r0kk3rz | Aard: maybe small for you guys but big in terms of impact to the user | 20:13 |
| lachs0r | no paid apps means a cleaner app store | 20:13 |
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| lachs0r | look at it this way! | 20:13 |
| artemma | that is quite understandable indeed, jolla is hunting for manufacturers, not for developers | 20:13 |
| tortoisedoc_ | android support is eating market share of native apps alive | 20:13 |
| leszek | artemma: tortoisedoc_ and don't forget with basic api stuff missing wich big player would want to port big apps to sailfishos | 20:13 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | leszek : good point | 20:14 |
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| lachs0r | I managed to get a hair crack in the display on my phone (fumbled while drunk, bad idea) but it still works and I don’t really care enough to send it in for repair :V | 20:14 |
| artemma | leszek: I am pretty sure Jolla would have allowed Rovio to use whatever API, for big players that's not an obstacle at all :) | 20:14 |
| * tortoisedoc_ replaced ipad broken screen and got crap back | 20:14 | |
| tortoisedoc_ | think twice before replacing it :P | 20:14 |
| leszek | artemma: hmm... whatever api ? Means also android ? | 20:14 |
| tortoisedoc_ | artemma : I do not think so; I believe Jolla is pretty consistent in the idea | 20:15 |
| lachs0r | waiting for the tablet though; need something to replace the eeepc 900 which is kind of too old and slow by now | 20:15 |
| tortoisedoc_ | oh well | 20:15 |
| tortoisedoc_ | time's off today | 20:15 |
| tortoisedoc_ | will need to get ahold of the old sdk | 20:15 |
| tortoisedoc_ | and downgrade | 20:15 |
| tortoisedoc_ | once again :/ | 20:15 |
| * artemma tries to imagine Jolla saying to Rovio "no, we can't let you use sound playback api before other devs", fails | 20:15 | |
| tortoisedoc_ | artemma : more like , "ok see you guys" | 20:16 |
| tortoisedoc_ | :P | 20:16 |
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| leszek | oh yeah the new sdk emulator. Did you guys notice that the font size in tablet mode does not scale correctly. I got strange error reports upon submitting to harbour by qa who tested it on real hardware and they had rendering issues I was unable to reproduce in the emulator | 20:16 |
| tortoisedoc_ | you got to love emulators until you H.A.T.E. them :P | 20:17 |
| leszek | turns out the image send by qa showed that the font is rendered much bigger than in the emulator | 20:17 |
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| artemma | awesome, two bugs after one investigation: one for app, one for emulator | 20:18 |
| tortoisedoc_ | artemma : out of curiosity, which sdk are you using? | 20:18 |
| artemma | tortoisedoc_, not developing for jolla for the last half a year or so | 20:18 |
| tortoisedoc_ | artemma : ah ok , i wrongly assumed apps were for jolla:) | 20:19 |
| artemma | actually except one thing. Oner or two weeks ago I suddenly git Inspiration to make Daily Wallpaper work, so now it does change your ambience on schedule | 20:19 |
| artemma | got* | 20:19 |
| tortoisedoc_ | kewl | 20:20 |
| artemma | at least before last os update, didn't test on that one | 20:20 |
| tortoisedoc_ | my time's up | 20:20 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | have a g'night ye stick d4st4rds | 20:20 |
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| lachs0r | leszek: is the emulator running at the same screen resolution, and does it report the same display dpi as the actual tablet? | 20:20 |
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| lachs0r | my guess is that the latter is not the case | 20:21 |
| leszek | lachs0r: I also think so | 20:21 |
| lachs0r | also for some reason the computers around me keep multiplying—think I have about 9 in my apartment with desktop operating systems on them, give or take… | 20:21 |
| lachs0r | what am I supposed to do with 9(?) computers | 20:22 |
| leszek | also when running in landscape mode the mode seems not to be set for Orientation as whenever a virtualkeyboard pops up the whole elements dissappear | 20:22 |
| Yaniel | install winxp on them: https://www.xkcd.com/350/ | 20:22 |
| leszek | like textfields | 20:22 |
| Tegu | renderfarm, calculate pi decimals, use as heating | 20:22 |
| Tegu | mine bitcoins | 20:23 |
| lachs0r | I suppose they make good heaters | 20:23 |
| Tegu | ok, some altcoins instead. or haha, that aquarium is a funny idea | 20:23 |
| lachs0r | performance would prove to be disappointing for the other stuff | 20:24 |
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| lachs0r | well I already have a PXE image server around, maybe I could make this actually useful (test VM replacement?) | 20:25 |
| lachs0r | except windows is really bad at booting over the network | 20:25 |
| lachs0r | most of the time I need a VM it is to test whether something works as expected on windows machines, or reproduce bugs on windows machines | 20:26 |
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