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| spliffy | hello! | 06:30 |
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| spliffy | thank you, sailfish contributers, for 2.0! | 06:31 |
| spliffy | is it possible to get the 4 app starters on the home screen back? | 06:32 |
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| spliffy | do you know what i mean? The top 4 apps in the app list were always visible on the bottom of the home screen. | 06:34 |
| ruskie | hmm ow... missed that bit myself | 06:36 |
| spliffy | with 2.0 i only see them when i swipe from the bottom of the home screen. I liked the previous behaviour. Now i need 2 instead of one action to open the phone app. | 06:37 |
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| lukedirwalker | If you have no app open a single tap in the middle of the screen should bring 4 up | 06:38 |
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| tortoisedoc | dump dump dumpa-da | 06:41 |
| spliffy | lukedirwalker: I see. thank you. It's suboptimal IMHO because most of the time i have at least one app opened. | 06:41 |
| lukedirwalker | spliffy: same for me, but I don't really miss the 4 apps anyway :D | 06:42 |
| spliffy | Quick access to the phone, phonebook and browser are critical for me :( Maybe there could be an option to always display the first 4 apps like before | 06:44 |
| Nicd- | or just leave them open? | 06:44 |
| spliffy | Nicd-: It just doesn't feel as good as before | 06:45 |
| tortoisedoc | spliffy : do you know quickbar app :P | 06:46 |
| spliffy | tortoisedoc: did you write it? :-) | 06:46 |
| tortoisedoc | check it from openrepos; it features MRU / Favs / MFU apps at the bottom of task screen | 06:46 |
| tortoisedoc | spliffy : what makes you guess it ;) | 06:46 |
| spliffy | tortoisedoc: I don't know. Just guessing :D I saw it in the app store, but didn't see a need for it until now. | 06:48 |
| tortoisedoc | spliffy : can I ask a question? do you think the description of the app is somehow unclear? | 06:49 |
| tortoisedoc | (note the version in the store is currently sf1.0 only) | 06:49 |
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| tortoisedoc | (so youll need the one from openrepos for now) | 06:50 |
| spliffy | tortoisedoc: let me take a look | 06:50 |
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| spliffy | tortoisedoc: will it always display the most used apps or is it possible to configure the displayed starters? | 06:53 |
| tortoisedoc | spliffy : atm no, but it can be added (and its not the first time this is mentioned) | 06:54 |
| spliffy | tortoisedoc: oh ok. regarding your question, i don't think the description is unclear | 06:56 |
| tortoisedoc | spliffy : ok thanks :) ! | 06:56 |
| spliffy | tortoisedoc: why did you ask? | 06:56 |
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| tortoisedoc | spliffy : any other suggestion on how to make quickbar more required? :P | 06:58 |
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| tortoisedoc | spliffy: I asked just to investigate to understand if people maybe misjudge the app (due to the description etc) | 07:08 |
| tortoisedoc | (to understand it from your opinion) | 07:08 |
| tortoisedoc | so, thanks for your input :) | 07:11 |
| tortoisedoc | (sorry I just noticed your question after I wrote mines) | 07:14 |
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| daitheflu | Hi | 07:17 |
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| spliffy | tortoisedoc: ok. i'm a software developer so maybe i'm not the best one to judge if it's unclear :-) | 07:24 |
| tortoisedoc | spliffy : all feedback counts :) | 07:25 |
| spliffy | tortoisedoc: the only thing i'd be missing would be configurable starters, but i must say i'd prefer an option for the native starter because it's the only thing i'm missing | 07:25 |
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| tortoisedoc | spliffy : thats ok, aim of QB is not to compete with the starters; and I am sure the current behaviour of the top 4 starter items is some kind of bug | 07:27 |
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| jmlich | After last update, camera app doesn't work at all. The store app doesn't work and https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-utilities/blob/master/tools/repair_rpm_db.sh doesn't help. | 07:45 |
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| nh14 | Hey, just upgraded to Sailfish OS 2.0 and so far I love the changes, the new events screen in particular is a gigantic improvement from the old | 07:58 |
| nh14 | There is one thing I noticed pretty quickly though, my four “favorite” icons are no longer shown at the bottom of the home screen, I always have to open up the “tray” to access them. Is it possible to change or restore this via some configuration, or is there a good reason it was changed? | 07:59 |
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| stephg | nh14: you mean the 4 apps? | 07:59 |
| nh14 | stephg: exactly | 07:59 |
| stephg | they're shown if you have no covers open on the homescreen | 07:59 |
| stephg | otherwise not | 08:00 |
| nh14 | “cover”? | 08:00 |
| Coolgeek | opened app | 08:00 |
| nh14 | Ah | 08:00 |
| stephg | afaik there's no way to revert to the old behaviour | 08:00 |
| nh14 | But I still want the ability to quickly launch new terms even if I already have, say, a web browser open :) | 08:00 |
| stephg | I think it's because the covers are bigger now? | 08:00 |
| Coolgeek | the little windows in the main screen that let you see opened app and do action on them | 08:00 |
| nh14 | Yeah, it seems like they are | 08:00 |
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| stephg | nh14: well the behaviour is different now in that you can get to the app grid/drawer from any screen | 08:01 |
| nh14 | Oh, that is indeed a change | 08:01 |
| nh14 | Yeah, that makes sense | 08:01 |
| stephg | so you don't need to 'swipe out of app to homescreen' then 'swipe up app drawer' | 08:01 |
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| nh14 | I notice some odd bugs: 1. Open a fingerterm, 2. type ^D (or run ‘exit’), 3. it brings you back to the homescreen but the cover is still shown, faded out. If you press on it again, it launches a new fingerterm session. Only way to get rid of it is to do that and swipe down from the top | 08:03 |
| coderus | so nice to see fast comments from peoples just installed sailfishos 2, and not yet fully explored it :D | 08:03 |
| coderus | nh14: check tjc before posting any bugs | 08:03 |
| coderus | as probably all of them already known here | 08:03 |
| nh14 | Ah okay | 08:03 |
| nh14 | Heh, indeed it is reported already | 08:04 |
| Yaniel | same actually happens with the steam android app | 08:04 |
| nh14 | So it's not a bug, but an intended feature - ie. the cover is left around even though the fingerterm exited successfully? | 08:05 |
| Yaniel | closing it by going back leaves the cover aroud | 08:05 |
| coderus | Yaniel: same happens with any android app | 08:05 |
| coderus | nh14: it's a bug | 08:05 |
| nh14 | Ah okay | 08:05 |
| nh14 | https://together.jolla.com/question/109588/fingerterm-leaves-zombie-cover-on-typing-exit/ was suggesting otherwise, unless I'm misreading (or the answer is incorrect) | 08:06 |
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| nh14 | Either way, it's still useful in a sense - now I can just quickly open a new term without having to open up the app trayer ;) | 08:06 |
| nh14 | tray* | 08:06 |
| coderus | nh14: jolla confirned this is a bug | 08:07 |
| nh14 | Alright :) | 08:07 |
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| nh14 | I noticed another odd interaction, this one seems mostly cosmetic: I'm on the home screen, and I swipe left to access the notifications dialog. I have no notifications visible. There is no top menu for “clear all notifications” (which is justified, since I have none). However, if I hold down my finger and swipe down far enough, it suddenly appears. (Letting go, the line is now visible afterwards) | 08:09 |
| nh14 | Is this a bug? | 08:09 |
| nh14 | Not sure how to search for it, didn't find anything with the first few things I tried | 08:09 |
| nh14 | Oh, I found it already | 08:09 |
| nh14 | The usual curse of “I didn't find it before I posted about it” | 08:09 |
| coderus | nh14: when you have notifications you can press and hold and pulldown menu with "close all notifications" appear | 08:09 |
| coderus | as i said: just use it a bit longer and explore all things | 08:09 |
| nh14 | Ah okay, pressing and holding also works, yes | 08:09 |
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| nh14 | coderus: sorry, I'm german - I can't just explore something without noticing all the weird interactions and reporting on them as I find them :p | 08:10 |
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| nh14 | Anyway, it's still a refreshing change and I enjoy the new animations and feel | 08:11 |
| coderus | and think about it as about NEW homescreen, not update of previous one, and do not compare things | 08:11 |
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| nh14 | The only thing I sort of miss is the bit where the wallpaper moved when I switched between screens, I made my own photo in that format just for that neat little feature, but I can understand that it's no longer compatible with the new events (since you can access it on both the left and the right, it would not make sense to go in either direction) and the new tray :p | 08:13 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | the new ui is really cool | 09:10 |
| Vae_DuckZ | I'll write what I think in detail on diaspora later today :) | 09:10 |
| Vae_DuckZ | I have a question tho: where do I go to see the tweets I receive? | 09:11 |
| Yaniel | events view | 09:11 |
| Yaniel | but you don't receive tweets atm | 09:11 |
| Yaniel | see changelog | 09:12 |
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| daitheflu | Vae_DuckZ: that will come back in the next update | 09:12 |
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| daitheflu | there are some choices in the new UI that I really don't understand, I'm currently trying to write a blog post about it. | 09:13 |
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| daitheflu | maybe this will lead some people at Jolla to explain those choices in a new blog post (if we are numerous to ask) | 09:16 |
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| coderus | i bet new ui is done more for tablet than for phone | 09:22 |
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| daitheflu | coderus: I think it still works pretty well on the phone | 09:24 |
| Vae_DuckZ | it looks better to me | 09:24 |
| coderus | daitheflu: but still | 09:24 |
| Vae_DuckZ | not sure why you guys were complaining the other day | 09:24 |
| coderus | many choices would work better on tablet resolutions than on phone | 09:24 |
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| coderus | this new lock menu | 09:26 |
| coderus | you wont swipe down to lock the tablet | 09:26 |
| coderus | because it big | 09:26 |
| coderus | but menu and tap is okay | 09:26 |
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| daitheflu | coderus: I won't judge before testing it on the tablet :) | 09:27 |
| daitheflu | yes but it's also OK with the phone, you just have to get used to the extra tap | 09:27 |
| daitheflu | I was more talking about pure graphical stuff : remorses, new buttons and new notifications are just weird | 09:28 |
| coderus | i said i'm still locking my phone with button | 09:28 |
| coderus | i didn't used swipe to lock before 1.1.9.x | 09:28 |
| daitheflu | seems like they come from another UI toolkit | 09:28 |
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| daitheflu | coderus: are you using the swipe+tap now ? | 09:29 |
| coderus | no | 09:29 |
| coderus | i'm still locking my phone with lock key :) | 09:30 |
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| daitheflu | the hardware buttons have always looked rather fragile *to me* so I'm almost never using them | 09:31 |
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| daitheflu | I don't want to break them | 09:32 |
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| tortoisedoc | woohoo quickbar approved in harbour :) | 09:44 |
| tortoisedoc | kewl | 09:44 |
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| coderus | daitheflu: lol | 09:49 |
| coderus | thats explained everything | 09:49 |
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| coderus | tortoisedoc: cool! dont see it in store yet | 09:50 |
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| daitheflu | coderus: what explains what ? (sorry, I don't get you on this one) | 09:50 |
| coderus | daitheflu: you dont want to break hw keys | 09:51 |
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| daitheflu | yep, but I'll probably use them more from now | 09:55 |
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| leszek | so avconv on sailfishos can only decode. What a pitty. Someone succesfully tried gst-launch to extract audio from video file ? I am somehow stuck here | 10:34 |
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| coderus | leszek: try ping msameer at #nemomobile | 10:37 |
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| spliffy | before i ask jolla support, does someone know if they will restock the many out of stock accessories for the phone? | 12:34 |
| spliffy | my stock backcover looks very used and i want to order a replacement | 12:35 |
| daitheflu | spliffy: what color are you interested in ? | 12:36 |
| Coolgeek | hey, just updated. Where Can I customize ambiance ? wallpaper, sound and stuff ? | 12:37 |
| spliffy | daitheflu: black.. i'd prefer white like mine, but black is ok | 12:37 |
| Nicd- | spliffy: I wouldn't count on it because they are running low on phones too | 12:37 |
| Nicd- | Coolgeek: settings -> system -> ambience | 12:37 |
| Coolgeek | I can only enable / disable thm, not customize this way | 12:37 |
| Nicd- | click on one of them | 12:37 |
| Nicd- | don't click on the star | 12:38 |
| daitheflu | spliffy: sorry, I'm looking for a white one too, I have a "First One" in my stock | 12:38 |
| Coolgeek | great:) thanks | 12:38 |
| Nicd- | you in finland? I have a white one | 12:38 |
| Nicd- | and a black one | 12:38 |
| daitheflu | I'm from France | 12:40 |
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| daitheflu | if someone is interested in a "First One" TOH, ping me :) | 12:46 |
| tortoisedoc | daitheflu : which nr? :) | 12:46 |
| Coolgeek | does anyone know if you can change the wallpaper ? didn't find it | 12:47 |
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| daitheflu | tortoisedoc: I don't know, I'll look and tell you (I'm currently at work, not at home) | 12:47 |
| daitheflu | tortoisedoc: I didn't even know they were numbered | 12:48 |
| daitheflu | Coolgeek: the wallpaper is part of the Ambience | 12:48 |
| tortoisedoc | daitheflu :no they are not, but in order to get them, you needed to be in the 400 :) | 12:48 |
| spliffy | daitheflu: i'd take every other color than the available aloe xD | 12:48 |
| daitheflu | Coolgeek: so you either have to change the Ambience or create a new one with the wallpaper of your choice | 12:48 |
| Coolgeek | hmm, ok | 12:49 |
| daitheflu | tortoisedoc: well since I had one, I think I was in the 400 | 12:49 |
| Nicd- | tortoisedoc: 450* | 12:49 |
| tortoisedoc | Nicd- : aha 450? | 12:49 |
| Nicd- | but all 100 € preorderers got the first one covers | 12:50 |
| Nicd- | 450 were in Helsinki at launch party but all got the covers | 12:50 |
| tortoisedoc | ah ok :) | 12:50 |
| Nicd- | I was #300 something | 12:50 |
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| fazo | hello, I was curious about something: is it possible to run gnome or other wayland compositors on sailfishos? | 12:57 |
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| Yaniel | in theory I don't see why not | 12:59 |
| giucam | i doubt gnome shell has a hwcomposer backend though | 12:59 |
| tortoisedoc | gnome shell | 12:59 |
| * tortoisedoc shrugs | 12:59 | |
| Yaniel | -s | 12:59 |
| fazo | lol is gnome so bad? | 12:59 |
| tortoisedoc | i did not say bad :P | 13:00 |
| tortoisedoc | in fact i need to use it every day | 13:00 |
| fazo | I'm trying to figure out how to turn a smartphone into something that resembles a GNU/Linux computer when attached to a monitor | 13:00 |
| tortoisedoc | but I shrug every morning like you do when you jump from sauna to cold lake :) | 13:00 |
| fazo | sailfish surely fits in the solution | 13:00 |
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| tortoisedoc | hmm didnt glacier have a similar project? | 13:01 |
| tortoisedoc | see sailfishos on rpi2 | 13:01 |
| fazo | too bad I have a nexus 6 | 13:01 |
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| fazo | I see there are cm12.1 nightlies for the nexus 6. So theoretically a port of Sailfish is possible? | 13:05 |
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| tortoisedoc | fazo : on tjc there is a matrix of ported (and attempted) phones | 13:12 |
| fazo | tjc? | 13:12 |
| Coolgeek | together.jolla.com | 13:13 |
| tortoisedoc | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris | 13:13 |
| tortoisedoc | there's the list ^ | 13:13 |
| fazo | thanks :) | 13:13 |
| tortoisedoc | seems nexus 6 is not in it tho | 13:13 |
| fazo | I guess it was never attempted. | 13:13 |
| fazo | I'll set up an ubuntu vm and try the port | 13:14 |
| fazo | or maybe I can get everything on my distro. | 13:15 |
| mal- | from what I have heard not many people have nexus 6 | 13:16 |
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| fazo | mal-: yeah, and cyano only has nightlies | 13:17 |
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| mal- | fazo: looks like the sources are available so porting should be possible | 13:26 |
| fazo | mal-: yes, I'm planning to have a try at it | 13:27 |
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| mal- | fazo: come to #sailfishos-porters which is a more proper channel for porting discussion | 13:28 |
| fazo | thanks :) | 13:28 |
| locusf | tortoisedoc: glacier is used on rpi2 as well | 13:28 |
| coderus | tortoisedoc: still not see your app in harbour | 13:29 |
| tortoisedoc | huhuh | 13:29 |
| tortoisedoc | coderus : it sais PUBLISHED in harbour.. | 13:30 |
| tortoisedoc | i assume you are on sfos 2.0? | 13:30 |
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| Nicd- | what app? | 13:31 |
| tortoisedoc | quickbar :) | 13:31 |
| coderus | tortoisedoc: sure | 13:31 |
| coderus | you see it yourself in store? | 13:31 |
| Nicd- | I can see quickbar beta in store | 13:31 |
| coderus | hm | 13:31 |
| tortoisedoc | butbut | 13:31 |
| tortoisedoc | its the old version | 13:31 |
| TemeV | what version is the newest? | 13:32 |
| coderus | so? | 13:32 |
| tortoisedoc | 0.50.164 | 13:32 |
| tortoisedoc | ah ok | 13:32 |
| tortoisedoc | i had dev version | 13:32 |
| tortoisedoc | so once uninstalled | 13:32 |
| tortoisedoc | i can see the most recent one now | 13:33 |
| TemeV | I can see 0.50 in the Store | 13:33 |
| TemeV | 0.50-164 mentioned in changelog | 13:33 |
| tortoisedoc | downloading surely takes a long time tho.. | 13:34 |
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| coderus | okay in search i see quickbar beta 0.40 but why it does not up in new apps list? :D | 13:34 |
| tortoisedoc | coderus : did you install from openrepos? | 13:34 |
| coderus | or it doesnt when you uploading ew version? | 13:34 |
| tortoisedoc | it is there now | 13:34 |
| coderus | tortoisedoc: no i never had your app installed | 13:34 |
| tortoisedoc | i just installed it myself | 13:34 |
| tortoisedoc | ;_; | 13:34 |
| tortoisedoc | :D | 13:34 |
| TemeV | installed and seems to work | 13:35 |
| tortoisedoc | weird, it seems very visible there | 13:35 |
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| TemeV | tortoisedoc: is it intentional that the last app is autostarted even if I minimize it before locking the phone? | 13:36 |
| tortoisedoc | TemeV : autostarted as in? | 13:37 |
| tortoisedoc | (autostarted usually is used when you boot) | 13:37 |
| TemeV | the "quick launch" setting | 13:37 |
| tortoisedoc | ah yeah | 13:37 |
| tortoisedoc | thats still buggy unfortunately | 13:37 |
| TemeV | Nice idea but a bit unusable as is | 13:38 |
| tortoisedoc | it will start the latest app you have launched from quickbar until you switch the option off | 13:38 |
| tortoisedoc | yes | 13:38 |
| tortoisedoc | :) | 13:38 |
| tortoisedoc | working on improving it | 13:38 |
| tortoisedoc | need suggestions | 13:38 |
| TemeV | I think it should stay to home screen if I unlock from home screen | 13:39 |
| urjaman | Q: what controls the max charge current from usb on the phone? | 13:39 |
| dv_ | overall, I like sailfish 2.0, but mute as an ambiance is stupid, sorry. | 13:39 |
| tortoisedoc | hmm how do you mean unlocking from home screen? | 13:39 |
| TemeV | dv_: the old way is coming back in the next update | 13:40 |
| dv_ | great. | 13:40 |
| TemeV | tortoisedoc: oops, I meant lock from home screen | 13:40 |
| dv_ | I mean, I do see the logic behind it, and it makes sense, but it is just not practical. | 13:40 |
| tortoisedoc | ah :) | 13:40 |
| dv_ | I do like the idea that ambiences become more powerful, however. | 13:40 |
| dv_ | also, THANKS for putting the charge % in the top left corner! | 13:41 |
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| tortoisedoc | TemeV also another issue that needs to be fixed is how to turn quicklaunch off | 13:42 |
| tortoisedoc | it should be easily accessible | 13:42 |
| kimmoli | urjaman: short answer, PMIC in SoC | 13:42 |
| dv_ | is the author of quickddit here? | 13:43 |
| coderus | who s author of quickddit? | 13:44 |
| tortoisedoc | wow I just realized from harbour you do not see quickbar in the pictures at all :D | 13:47 |
| Nicd- | seems to be accumulator | 13:47 |
| tortoisedoc | i | 13:48 |
| tortoisedoc | i'd wonder, what kind of resolutions are the preview images in the app's page? | 13:48 |
| tortoisedoc | they do not seem to show the full phone screen | 13:48 |
| TemeV | tortoisedoc: quick bar on lock screen doesn't work if I have lock code enabled | 13:49 |
| tortoisedoc | TemeV : it does not display it if lock screen is enabled? | 13:50 |
| TemeV | it does but the buttons do nothing | 13:50 |
| tortoisedoc | ok | 13:50 |
| tortoisedoc | thanks for that | 13:50 |
| tortoisedoc | reported as known issue on tjc | 13:52 |
| TemeV | oh, it kinda works. When I tap the icon the bar just goes a way. Then after I unlock the phone (swipe and enter the code) it opens the app | 13:52 |
| TemeV | so there is just an extra swipe | 13:52 |
| tortoisedoc | huh | 13:52 |
| tortoisedoc | sounds like an issue of the transition from sf 1.0 to sf 2.0 | 13:53 |
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| tortoisedoc | in sf 1.0 the lock code was not on the locking screen iirc | 13:53 |
| tortoisedoc | you first had to unlock and then you would be getting the lock code | 13:53 |
| TemeV | that's the way it is now also | 13:54 |
| tortoisedoc | hah | 13:54 |
| tortoisedoc | i installed the latest version; but i have the previous one there :D | 13:54 |
| TemeV | Something wrong with the packaking then | 13:55 |
| tortoisedoc | hmm | 13:55 |
| tortoisedoc | TemeV | 13:55 |
| tortoisedoc | where do you have the quickbar on the lockscreen | 13:55 |
| tortoisedoc | on the side or at the bottom? | 13:55 |
| TemeV | on the bottom | 13:56 |
| tortoisedoc | yeah | 13:56 |
| tortoisedoc | i have it at the side :D | 13:56 |
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| tortoisedoc | and you installed it from harbour? | 13:56 |
| TemeV | yes | 13:56 |
| tortoisedoc | heh | 13:56 |
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| tortoisedoc | i guess there might be some conflict somewhere | 13:56 |
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| tortoisedoc | need to check my packages.. | 13:58 |
| tortoisedoc | im using my phone for devving as well | 13:58 |
| tortoisedoc | might be somethign got screwed up | 13:58 |
| TemeV | I'm thinking on getting a second Jolla for devving purpose. I don't really like playing around with e.g. Telepathy on my main phone | 14:00 |
| TemeV | Maybe I can use the tablet for that though, Telepathy is not critical there | 14:00 |
| tortoisedoc | hmm is there telepathy on the tablet? | 14:03 |
| TemeV | Why wouldn't there be | 14:03 |
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| TemeV | or at least I assume I can install it | 14:03 |
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| tortoisedoc | i suppose thats the case | 14:06 |
| tortoisedoc | all i know about telepathy is that it handles calls ? | 14:07 |
| tortoisedoc | or is that ofono | 14:07 |
| * tortoisedoc does not know | 14:07 | |
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| urjaman | (i ask because the phone thinks one of these car->usb-chargers is a PC (asks for usb mode) and then limits to 500mA when i know the thing can do atleast 800...) | 14:11 |
| urjaman | and 500mA doesnt always even charge the phone if you're doing stuff on it | 14:12 |
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| lainwir3d | urjaman: sometimes some cars usb chargers do not have the d+ and d- pins short-circuited | 14:16 |
| lainwir3d | as per the usb spec | 14:16 |
| lainwir3d | soldering them together might help | 14:16 |
| lainwir3d | if you can open it | 14:16 |
| lainwir3d | something like that : http://cdn02.androidauthority.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/samsung-charger-hack.jpg | 14:17 |
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| urjaman | yeah i could if i would be able to expect these situations :P | 14:21 |
| urjaman | another thing that i expected to be trivial (write value to some *_current somewhere under /sys/class/power_supply) but i'm just hitting walls | 14:24 |
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| lainwir3d | :) | 14:30 |
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| urjaman | i even had a chargerizing (data lines cut & shorted for the device) usb cable but killed it for other project because i wasnt using it :/ | 14:31 |
| urjaman | it was realy meant for charging phones from laptop without the laptop messing about with drivers for the phone (and thusly not configuring the phone => no charge) | 14:33 |
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| leszek | Is it now allowed to upload apps for the tablet to harbour that were created with the new sdk version ? (I don't see that it includes a tablet emulator) | 14:37 |
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| leszek | or will there be an announcement for it ? Otherwise I have to upload a i386 rpm and see if it will be accepted :P | 14:51 |
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| urjaman | there was an announcement on the ml | 14:55 |
| leszek | urjaman: can you give me a link ? | 14:56 |
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| leszek | ah never mind found it | 14:56 |
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| urjaman | bluurgh... https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2015-September/006513.html | 14:58 |
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| leszek | though I can't find the emulator for tablet | 14:59 |
| leszek | in the sdk | 14:59 |
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| urjaman | i dont think it'd need more than a resolution change :P | 15:01 |
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| leszek | urjaman: in theory. but practically I don't see a way | 15:13 |
| leszek | hmm... imap idle stopped working. Can I revive that somehow without restarting the device ? | 15:16 |
| urjaman | http://ow.ly/SELCh | 15:25 |
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| lainwir3d | oh nice tablet emulator | 15:33 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | ScreenTapShot is not working very well anymore - I get a white minimized app when it starts up | 15:40 |
| Vae_DuckZ | I have to manually close it | 15:40 |
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| leszek | ah urjaman thanks for that link. I found the tablet emulator | 15:43 |
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| taaem | does somebody now if the updated emulator works with Virtualbox 5? | 15:45 |
| lainwir3d | apparently | 15:48 |
| lainwir3d | "Added compatibility with VirtualBox 5" | 15:49 |
| lainwir3d | in the changelog | 15:49 |
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| taaem | lainwir3d: thanks can you give me a link to the changelog? | 15:53 |
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| lainwir3d | taaem: http://ow.ly/SELCh | 15:54 |
| lainwir3d | sorry, didn't see you just logged in | 15:54 |
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| lainwir3d | it was posted a few minutes before :-) | 15:54 |
| taaem | oh thanks | 15:54 |
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| aboyer | i ran into a very bizarre problem. while using my jolla, all of the apps crashed at once. i was annoyed so i put the device down. after a while, i picked it up again and my security code would no longer unlock the device. thankfully, i had developer mode enabled and remembered my password so i was able to log in via ssh. i tried running "/usr/lib/qt5/plugins/devicelock/encpartition --clear-code XXXXXX" but it would not load and complained about | 16:18 |
| aboyer | missing symbols in libqtaround.so. indeed the hash of the library on the device did not match the hash of the library in the sdk. i copied the file over and was able to unlock my device! is there anything i can do to figure out why and how this library got corrupted and submit a bug report? | 16:18 |
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| coderus | aboyer: btrfs partition full? | 16:49 |
| aboyer | i compared both files and a single byte changed from 0x62 to 0x72. that means that a single bit flipped. assuming that my old concrete flat shielded me from cosmic rays, could it be a btrfs bug or a hardware/firmware bug? | 16:55 |
| aboyer | coderus: my root partition is only 22% full | 16:55 |
| coderus | btrfs fi show, right? | 16:57 |
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| aboyer | devid 1 size 13.75GiB used 5.75GiB path /dev/mmcblk0p28 | 16:58 |
| aboyer | so more than 22% but not full it seems | 16:59 |
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| coderus | okay, i have nno other ideas :) | 17:04 |
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| aboyer | it was fun to debug and fix this but now i'm wondering if i should do a factory reset? | 17:06 |
| coderus | why if its working now? :) | 17:09 |
| aboyer | well, there might be some other bits that flipped... i'll run it like this for a few days and see. | 17:10 |
| urjaman | it could've flipped the bit in the factory reset image, who knows you could break it (anything could break things when you just assume storage not reliable ...) | 17:15 |
| urjaman | i just recommend having a full image of the emmc on your PC | 17:16 |
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| aboyer | urjaman: any advice on how to generate this image and transfer it to my pc? | 17:17 |
| r0kk3rz | a filesystem that cant tolerrate a few bits flipping isnt a very good filesystem... | 17:17 |
| urjaman | i dont think any of the filesystems you use (unless you do something weird, UBIFS i guess does but thats not a block based fs) do file data checksumming | 17:18 |
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| urjaman | (or if you care i guess you do use such, but i meant in general default ext*, or btrfs for that matter...) | 17:19 |
| coderus | aboyer: https://gist.github.com/tuukka/7a81112ef161ee77eccb | 17:19 |
| urjaman | btrfs might actually atleast have the ability to check, darn i didnt check before saying ... | 17:21 |
| r0kk3rz | urjaman: journalled filesystems are good enough protection | 17:21 |
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| urjaman | journal just protects you from fs corruption on power loss / crash... (yes that is really really good thing but not the same thing at all) | 17:23 |
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| aboyer | urjaman: yes, i think the whole point of btrfs is that it checksums all blocks. that allows you to find (with only one device) and fix (when you have multiple devices in raid) data corruption errors | 17:25 |
| urjaman | yeah actually i think you could tell it to have multiple copies of data even on one device, though that'd be a bit overkill usually | 17:25 |
| aboyer | not really overkill, i do that with zfs on an 6 year old laptop just for peace of mind | 17:26 |
| urjaman | hard enough to fit my stuff in 16GB let alone 8 :P | 17:28 |
| urjaman | or 13,7 with all the other stuff and marketing ... | 17:28 |
| aboyer | which ends up being more like 6GB with all of the metadata overhead | 17:29 |
| urjaman | (i backup both on the SD of the phone (those .tar's) and sometimes on the PC (full images)) | 17:29 |
| aboyer | do i just need the factory-@ and factory-@home images? or should i also get the @home one? | 17:36 |
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| coderus | you need to read it and understand what it does | 17:43 |
| coderus | otherwise it wont work ;) | 17:43 |
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| TemeV | I wish Jolla had btrs send/receive. It would make backups quite easy | 17:48 |
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| urjaman | it has, but i tried it (in recovery mode mind you) and it didnt work (... Bus error? or segfault... something.) | 17:50 |
| Yaniel | too old btrfs | 17:50 |
| urjaman | i tried to receive the things from the PC when i doodled around with making a new btrfs | 17:50 |
| urjaman | Yaniel: guessed | 17:51 |
| urjaman | *i guessed that much | 17:51 |
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| TemeV | might be there is some experimental version | 17:54 |
| TemeV | I just checked that it was introduced in a later kernel than Jolla has | 17:54 |
| urjaman | (i feel like the phone will effectively die a slow death of obsoleteness if they cant update the kernel ... :/) | 17:55 |
| urjaman | TemeV: i guess the userspace is newer than the kernel so it has the commands i the interface but kernel cant do it | 17:55 |
| urjaman | (just noted that i had noticed them in the help output for btrfs and they dont work, sorry) | 17:56 |
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| King_DuckZ | hello again | 18:29 |
| King_DuckZ | did they change the messaging system so it can be extended by apps, in sf2? | 18:29 |
| King_DuckZ | like to integrate whatsapp messaging with sms/xmpp | 18:30 |
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| r0kk3rz | King_DuckZ: thats always been possible-ish | 18:52 |
| r0kk3rz | you need to write a telepathy plugin | 18:52 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | hey ho! | 19:20 |
| tortoisedoc_ | so | 19:20 |
| tortoisedoc_ | im testing the emulator | 19:20 |
| tortoisedoc_ | but when I try to change the emulator mode (from tools -> mer -> emulator mode...) | 19:21 |
| tortoisedoc_ | it says "This emulator does not support multiple devices models" | 19:21 |
| tortoisedoc_ | any solution for that? :/ | 19:21 |
| tortoisedoc_ | or did it happen to someone else as well? | 19:22 |
| urjaman | i was going to say it happened to someone on the ML but i guess thats you | 19:23 |
| King_DuckZ | r0kk3rz: I didn't know | 19:23 |
| King_DuckZ | so how comes we didn't see any app integrating into that system yet? | 19:23 |
| r0kk3rz | mainly because the UI is a bit limited | 19:24 |
| r0kk3rz | only really allows single chats only | 19:24 |
| r0kk3rz | not group chats, or images, or other such things | 19:24 |
| r0kk3rz | i think temev is helping write a textsecure plugin which will be nice | 19:25 |
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| r0kk3rz | but the good thing is, its not jolla specific, so other non-sailfish people are making things we can use | 19:26 |
| urjaman | Q: Are there alternative SMS(/other messaging) UIs that one could run on the jolla then? (just curious) | 19:27 |
| urjaman | and wtf would happen if you have two of them, both would notify you of SMS? | 19:28 |
| r0kk3rz | urjaman: someone could write a telepathy ui app that would work, im unsure of the specifics of how telepathy handles that | 19:29 |
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| r0kk3rz | it would be easier if jolla just opened up the messaging UI, and allowed the hooks into the accounts function | 19:32 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | urjaman : not me, no, wrong | 19:36 |
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| urjaman | tortoisedoc_: ah okay, so somebody on the ML had basically the same issue but nobody has said anything to that ... | 19:40 |
| tortoisedoc_ | urjaman : yeah, just found it, replying in chaing | 19:40 |
| tortoisedoc_ | im betting its going to be something crappy like "this is not supported on windows" :D | 19:41 |
| r0kk3rz | tortoisedoc_ mode? | 19:42 |
| tortoisedoc_ | r0kk3rz : yes | 19:43 |
| tortoisedoc_ | as in, trying to switch emulator to tablet view | 19:43 |
| tortoisedoc_ | hm i wonder | 19:43 |
| r0kk3rz | oh, new sdk | 19:43 |
| tortoisedoc_ | if it might have something to do with the resolution of the screen.. | 19:43 |
| r0kk3rz | thats why im not seeing it | 19:43 |
| tortoisedoc_ | yep :) | 19:43 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | of course these issues come up when all the sailors have already left the dock :P | 19:48 |
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| coderus | r0kk3rz: https://github.com/nemomobile/qmlmessages | 19:50 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | coderus : can you run emulator in tablet format? | 19:51 |
| coderus | tortoisedoc_: i'm not using emulators | 19:51 |
| tortoisedoc_ | :D you have your own tablet? :P | 19:51 |
| coderus | did i released something for a tablet? | 19:52 |
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| r0kk3rz | i believe coderus has one on order anyway | 19:54 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | coderus : not yet ? :P | 20:06 |
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