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| coderus | why no linux build instruction here? https://github.com/sailfish-sdk/sailfish-qtcreator | 03:01 |
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| zGrr | moin :) | 06:29 |
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| JohnDoe42 | hi everyone | 08:19 |
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| JohnDoe42 | does anyone know if the mail client supports imap NOTIFY command? | 08:43 |
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| anYc | I don't know if this is the same but "imap push" has been announced as feature | 08:52 |
| tbr | JohnDoe42: you could read up about QMF, that's what it's based on | 08:52 |
| tbr | anYc: that's IDLE, AFAIU | 08:52 |
| JohnDoe42 | QMF? | 08:52 |
| anYc | JohnDoe42: ah no, it isn't see https://together.jolla.com/question/493/imap-idle-imap-push-for-the-e-mail-app/ | 08:52 |
| anYc | tbr: yes, seems you're right | 08:52 |
| anYc | (first answer) | 08:53 |
| tbr | Qt Messaging Framework | 08:53 |
| JohnDoe42 | thx | 08:53 |
| JohnDoe42 | is the source of the mail client available? | 08:53 |
| tbr | QMF, yes, mail UI, no | 08:53 |
| JohnDoe42 | -.- | 08:53 |
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| JohnDoe42 | are there any plans to publish the source? | 08:55 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | goodmorning all! | 09:00 |
| Vae_DuckZ | is stable sf2 out today?? I have a system update alert | 09:01 |
| Vae_DuckZ | is that sf2 already?? | 09:01 |
| anYc | JohnDoe42: if yes, I wouldn't hold my breath ;) | 09:01 |
| Yaniel | sf2 update kind of happens in two parts | 09:01 |
| Yaniel | 1.1.9 is the first one | 09:01 |
| JohnDoe42 | anYc: too bad | 09:01 |
| anYc | Vae_DuckZ: I guess its sf2 part 1 (1.1.9.x) | 09:01 |
| tbr | JohnDoe42: I wouldn't hold my breath for the UI code. Getting NOTIFY to work shouldn't rely on that anyway. | 09:02 |
| anYc | JohnDoe42: you could check if an android app supports it. With the latest SFOS, android notifications are better integrated | 09:03 |
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| JohnDoe42 | tbr: I think I haven't understand how this app works, can I install the ui independent from the app code? | 09:07 |
| JohnDoe42 | anYc: no, not any android app supports it | 09:09 |
| tbr | JohnDoe42: it uses a library for all the mail protocol handling | 09:09 |
| JohnDoe42 | tbr: which is the QMF? | 09:09 |
| tbr | yes | 09:10 |
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| JohnDoe42 | even no desktop app supports NOTIFY | 09:10 |
| tbr | I've seen a very very wild hack for thunderbird. Yeah, not much support for notify yet. | 09:10 |
| JohnDoe42 | tbr: i know the hack, too bad the dev did not know C/C++ | 09:11 |
| anYc | did you check trojita? | 09:12 |
| JohnDoe42 | hearing trojita for the first time | 09:12 |
| JohnDoe42 | still in development | 09:14 |
| JohnDoe42 | https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=321388 | 09:14 |
| merbot | KDE bug 321388 in IMAP "Support RFC5465's NOTIFY to eliminate periodic STATUS polling" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 09:14 |
| anYc | ah ok, they've been in the news for their imap engine | 09:15 |
| tbr | they don't use QMF? | 09:15 |
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| tbr | oh, something I'll have to look into for my purposes: http://wiki2.dovecot.org/Pigeonhole/Sieve/Plugins/Pipe?highlight=%28notify%29 | 09:26 |
| tbr | I'll be able to spin that into my push notification framework that also works on sailfish | 09:27 |
| tbr | finally reliable mail notifications \o/ | 09:27 |
| JohnDoe42 | what do you mean by reliable? isnt imap idle/notify not reliable enough? | 09:27 |
| tbr | JohnDoe42: a) it only works for the top level INBOX as is b) the sailfish notifications only say "n new mails" instead of giving subject/sender | 09:28 |
| JohnDoe42 | imap idle and notify work for all folders | 09:29 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | part 1? | 09:30 |
| Vae_DuckZ | btw I'm trying diaspora out, is any of you on diaspora? | 09:30 |
| Nicd- | Vae_DuckZ: SF2 will be rolled out in two parts | 09:30 |
| Nicd- | current is 1.9, it has the UI mostly done. 2.0 will be next and have all the rest | 09:31 |
| JohnDoe42 | tbr: I dont think you need to reinvent the protocoll | 09:31 |
| tbr | JohnDoe42: the sailfish mail client seems to only handle INBOX not subdirectories | 09:31 |
| JohnDoe42 | tbr: but I think our goals are the same | 09:31 |
| JohnDoe42 | tbr: I also need to push all folders | 09:31 |
| tbr | JohnDoe42: I'm not reinventing the protocol, I'm working around a temporary deficiency. | 09:31 |
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| tbr | and as I already have a well working push notification service it's almost "free" (as in not much work) | 09:32 |
| JohnDoe42 | so your goal is nested in the closed source ui? | 09:33 |
| tbr | the goal of the workaround is to receive instant mail notifications for folders of my chosing. As Sailfish native notifications, with subject and sender. This gets forwarded also to my Metawatch, which is connected to my phone. | 09:34 |
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| JohnDoe42 | why not implementing it directly to the mail app? | 09:35 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | Nicd-: ok | 09:40 |
| tbr | JohnDoe42: because setting up the notifications will take me 30min, as most infra is there already. | 09:42 |
| tbr | JohnDoe42: while with the mail client I'd need to learn C++, understand QMF, understand NOTIFY, implement that and then make sure the sailfish client also uses that | 09:42 |
| tbr | not done in 30min | 09:42 |
| Vae_DuckZ | this update makes my uptime loss from yesterday a little bit more tragic at least | 09:59 |
| Vae_DuckZ | less tragic | 10:00 |
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| tortoisedoc | opop | 10:06 |
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| daitheflu | hello | 10:10 |
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| MoritzJT_ | hi | 10:56 |
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| MoritzJT_ | how can we help | 11:00 |
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| tortoisedoc | help? ' | 11:11 |
| kengu | there is no need for help | 11:12 |
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| daitheflu | does anyone know if the Silica reference / API has been updated with the new SDK ? | 12:02 |
| coderus | download new sdk and look yourself | 12:02 |
| coderus | 1.1.9.28 sdk is available to download | 12:03 |
| leszek | oh really 1.1.9.28 is already available. Then lets run a update | 12:03 |
| leszek | *an | 12:03 |
| daitheflu | coderus: not before I know where I'm going | 12:05 |
| daitheflu | seems like they are updating the docs on sailfishos.org, I get some 403 | 12:06 |
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| coderus | i'm not using online help | 12:07 |
| coderus | only F1 in qtc | 12:07 |
| coderus | and F2 | 12:07 |
| daitheflu | I should maybe get used to it too | 12:09 |
| lainwir3d | +1 | 12:11 |
| lukedirwalker | daitheflu: I think icons have changed | 12:13 |
| lukedirwalker | and they introduced Theme.horizontalPageMargin | 12:14 |
| daitheflu | lukedirwalker:I was expecting the change for icons. Since they are now supporting different form factors, we probably need to supply .svg files, don't we ? | 12:16 |
| lukedirwalker | daitheflu: oh I meant the system icons changed | 12:16 |
| daitheflu | I also see on sailfishos.org some pages about D-Bus, notifications and QML plugin | 12:16 |
| daitheflu | lukedirwalker: ah yes, I see | 12:17 |
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| lainwir3d | hmmm | 13:06 |
| lainwir3d | my Slider in a Column is completely messed up | 13:06 |
| lainwir3d | appears at the top of the column when it should appear at the bottom | 13:06 |
| coderus | set width of slider | 13:06 |
| lainwir3d | oh | 13:07 |
| lainwir3d | nice idea, I forget to write the width | 13:07 |
| lainwir3d | :P | 13:07 |
| lainwir3d | thanks | 13:07 |
| lainwir3d | forgot* | 13:08 |
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| daitheflu | there is a Notification Type in QML, yay :D | 13:14 |
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| daitheflu | and D-Bus stuff :D (I don't understand anything in D-Bus, but I will need to dive in soon or later) | 13:20 |
| daitheflu | I guess this opens a lot of possibilities, doesn't it ? | 13:21 |
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| lainwir3d | daitheflu: nice. Didn't notice that | 13:39 |
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| aivot-on | oh god shouldn't have installed sfos 2.0, its horrible | 13:44 |
| daitheflu | lainwir3d: here (D-Bus) : https://sailfishos.org/develop/docs/nemo-qml-plugin-dbus/ | 13:44 |
| daitheflu | and here (Notifications) : https://sailfishos.org/develop/docs/nemo-qml-plugin-notifications/ | 13:44 |
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| lainwir3d | aivot-on: nah, it's awesome :-D Well, except for the pull down menu "selection confirmation" thing. | 13:46 |
| lainwir3d | daitheflu: thanks | 13:46 |
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| fledermaus | hm. in latest sailfish os there's no quick way to go from silent to ringtone and back any more? | 13:52 |
| lainwir3d | no | 13:53 |
| lainwir3d | but it's on the roadmap apparently | 13:53 |
| anYc | I only miss the cover actions :/ | 13:53 |
| lainwir3d | to put it back | 13:53 |
| coderus | there is silent ambience | 13:53 |
| lainwir3d | i like the new cover actions better actually | 13:53 |
| lainwir3d | fledermaus: or you can long press "volume down" button, but that's IMO not as nice as the old way | 13:54 |
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| anYc | the new? I only see their symbols but I cannot activate them | 13:54 |
| lukedirwalker | daitheflu: about scaling stuff: https://sailfishos.org/develop/docs/silica/sailfish-application-scalability.html/ | 13:55 |
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| lainwir3d | anYc: just need to click on it. No swipe | 13:56 |
| lukedirwalker | fledermaus: you can change between silent and "loud" ambience, swipe down from top | 13:56 |
| fledermaus | what about flight mode? is there an easy way to get to that? | 13:57 |
| coderus | fledermaus: will be in next release | 13:57 |
| anYc | lainwir3d: ah thanks! | 13:57 |
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| lainwir3d | anYc: no pb ! | 13:59 |
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| anYc | I wonder why they didn't add wifi on/off stuff as cover action for the settings a long time ago | 14:00 |
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| lainwir3d | Dunno. I would like them to be customisable | 14:01 |
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| fledermaus | ah, got it, so now we tweak the details of ambiences. | 14:03 |
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| daitheflu | lukedirwalker: thanks :) | 14:05 |
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| daitheflu | the icons reference page still needs a fix :P | 14:07 |
| daitheflu | (the page title reads "Ambiences" and the icons don't load | 14:08 |
| daitheflu | ) | 14:08 |
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| fledermaus | hm... is it possible to tweak the backgrounds of the ambiences (even if only by parachuting in different files to the fs) | 14:13 |
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| Yaniel | what do you mean flight mode will be in the next release | 14:16 |
| Yaniel | or have I missed a part of the changelog, where it was disabled? | 14:16 |
| fledermaus | Yaniel: rapid access to flight mode from the cover | 14:16 |
| fledermaus | it's still there. | 14:16 |
| Yaniel | ah | 14:16 |
| Yaniel | that sounds more sensible | 14:16 |
| fledermaus | before it was pulley → settings → flight, now it's grid → settings → flight, was just used to getting to it from pulley, so will have to re-educate my fingers. | 14:18 |
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| Yaniel | heh, I keep hitting the cover buttons when trying to open apps | 14:20 |
| fledermaus | oh, nice, spotra can see GPS again. | 14:20 |
| fledermaus | now the acid test: alter a recurring event in the calendar | 14:20 |
| fledermaus | ba, nope. | 14:21 |
| fledermaus | edit a recurring caldav event, all future copies of event disappear. | 14:22 |
| fledermaus | sad face. | 14:22 |
| fledermaus | still, progress. | 14:22 |
| daitheflu | I wouldn't use SailfishOS caldav for something important (sadly) | 14:22 |
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| daitheflu | I've lost so much events, and others that I deleted keep coming back >< | 14:23 |
| fledermaus | I think I'll just finish porting emacs to sailfish and use caldav from that. | 14:24 |
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| fledermaus | hm, actually, regression: it used to lose the recurring event locally. Now it loses it from the server too. | 14:37 |
| fledermaus | Tomorrow we'll see if the DST time warp is fixed though. | 14:37 |
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| fledermaus | ok, doesn't handle updating a recurring event on the server properly either. | 14:47 |
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| Armadill0 | cannot execute binary | 16:44 |
| Armadill0 | ...come on... -.- | 16:44 |
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| cstelz | Hello everybody! | 18:07 |
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| cstelz | Right now, i'm trying to compile streamripper with the MerSDK for Jolla Phone. I get some really bad compilation errors. Can anybody help me? | 18:09 |
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| leszek | cstelz: I think the best would be pasting a nopaste service link with the errors then we will see if someone has an idea | 18:16 |
| cstelz | Here is the log: http://pastebin.com/nPCQAvky | 18:18 |
| cstelz | This happens when compiling the dependency "libmad". It's not available prebuilt on zypper, and it seems like the assembler(GNU ld) throws this exception | 18:20 |
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| Juuba | hmmh | 18:21 |
| leszek | this looks a bit fishy: /tmp/cch7OTe7.s:1564: Error: selected processor does not support Thumb mode `rsc r2,r2,#0' | 18:21 |
| Juuba | what the hell can be the cause... my Jolla is hellishly slow when "hotspot" sharing the internet... | 18:21 |
| Juuba | charger connected, nothing else is running... apps i mean | 18:22 |
| leszek | Juuba: can you take a look at the processes running. (Crest or a top command in terminal) I guess some app is running amok | 18:22 |
| Juuba | or, well, not the jolla itself... but the connection.. | 18:23 |
| Juuba | 3/5 bars 4G - android Speedtest.net gives 22 MBits DL... windows gets less than 1 MB DL | 18:23 |
| leszek | ah, hmm.. | 18:23 |
| Juuba | tried another phone, a lumia 920/30... it gave "full" more than 6-7 MBytes DL | 18:24 |
| leszek | display on or off ? Maybe the power saving is on for the wifi chip | 18:24 |
| Juuba | charger is connected, does it affect ? | 18:24 |
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| Juuba | hmm, "keep display on while connected" | 18:25 |
| leszek | can you just try. It might be a bug. Normally when charger is connected I would guess it would not go to powersaving mode | 18:25 |
| Juuba | i tried, lets see | 18:26 |
| Juuba | no change... | 18:26 |
| Juuba | uploading a screncap of my "top".. | 18:27 |
| Juuba | load average: 1.14, 1.16, 2.84 | 18:27 |
| Juuba | does that mean anything? | 18:27 |
| ttyp0 | it would seem to me that the load average is always >1 on Jolla | 18:27 |
| ttyp0 | at least pretty much every time I check it | 18:28 |
| leszek | it should not be when its idle | 18:28 |
| ttyp0 | which is kind of interesting since the battery can last a week if the phone is not used | 18:28 |
| Juuba | 524 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 1.0 0.0 1:13.79 TX_Thread | 18:28 |
| Juuba | 525 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 1.0 0.0 1:19.59 RX_Thread | 18:28 |
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| leszek | on idle I usually have 0.50 | 18:28 |
| Juuba | those two are mostly on top | 18:28 |
| Juuba | i'll stop android.. | 18:29 |
| leszek | though when im (textsecure android app) running I have about 0.69-0.80 | 18:29 |
| Juuba | even the ssh connection to Jolla over Wifi is LA G G Y | 18:30 |
| leszek | this still sounds like the wifi chip is in powersaving mode | 18:31 |
| coderus | for me it pretty fast over wifi and turbo fast over usb | 18:31 |
| Juuba | yeah, that's what people have told me aswell.. but my mileage is... well.. USB was lightning fast in Tampere, even with only 2 Bars 4G | 18:32 |
| Juuba | but here, Lumia gets *BLAZING* speed, or gives... | 18:32 |
| Juuba | Jolla s a snail. | 18:32 |
| Juuba | now i'm in Hyvinkää. Same place where the Lumia gives a lot to the PC.. | 18:32 |
| Juuba | can .. how can I cehck the powersaving wifi ? | 18:33 |
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| Juuba | :D | 18:35 |
| Juuba | hmm | 18:35 |
| Juuba | i have RED stuff on my journalctl -f | 18:35 |
| leszek | Juuba: I know that you can turn it off normally (on a linux machine) with iw dev wlan0 set power_save off . Should work on the jolla aswell. Though I can't remember the command how to show the state | 18:35 |
| Juuba | Sep 24 21:35:20 juubanjolla kernel: wlan: [10364:E :TL ] WLAN TL: Failed to del BA session STA:2 TID:0 Status :14 | 18:35 |
| leszek | oh | 18:35 |
| leszek | a driver issue maybe | 18:35 |
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| Juuba | this line pops up every now and then | 18:36 |
| Juuba | anyone knows how to change the channel the hotspot is creaated on ? | 18:36 |
| Juuba | now i get 1,1-1,6 MBps | 18:37 |
| Juuba | the red lines stopped | 18:37 |
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| Juuba | now the red is back | 18:39 |
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| Juuba | Sep 24 21:39:03 juubanjolla kernel: wlan: [10364:E :PE ] __limProcessAddBAReq: 1425: ADDBAREQ NUMBUFF 40 | 18:39 |
| Juuba | Sep 24 21:39:03 juubanjolla kernel: wlan: [10364:E :PE ] __limProcessAddBAReq: 1425: ADDBAREQ NUMBUFF 40 | 18:39 |
| Juuba | Sep 24 21:39:03 juubanjolla kernel: wlan: [10364:E :TL ] WLAN TL: Failed to del BA session STA:2 TID:0 Status :14 | 18:39 |
| Juuba | iw dev wlan0 get power_save | 18:40 |
| leszek | ah exactly :) | 18:42 |
| leszek | I have to learn iw | 18:42 |
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| Juuba | hmm, i wonder... if it is this shitty WIFI dongle i use on the desktop | 18:44 |
| Juuba | my laptop seems to receive better | 18:44 |
| Juuba | yeah | 18:45 |
| Juuba | lol wtf | 18:45 |
| ttyp0 | what laptop | 18:45 |
| Juuba | windows 7 laptop gets 20 Mbits | 18:45 |
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| Juuba | lenovo something ... err | 18:46 |
| ttyp0 | for example, Sony Vaio has a dreadfully crappy wifi module. a known flaw in the series. | 18:46 |
| Juuba | t510 | 18:46 |
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| ttyp0 | can't even watch netflix HD over wifi | 18:46 |
| Juuba | desktop gets shitty this time | 18:46 |
| Juuba | buffalo .. err dangit, | 18:46 |
| Juuba | hmm | 18:47 |
| ttyp0 | 1.1Mbits/sec over wifi on this crappy Vaio | 18:47 |
| ttyp0 | 20-120kBps | 18:47 |
| ttyp0 | while the laptop shows ~500Mbps link | 18:47 |
| Juuba | i wonder, if I connect Jolla via USB to laptop, and hotspot with it to the PC | 18:47 |
| ttyp0 | ... | 18:47 |
| Juuba | *shrug* | 18:48 |
| ttyp0 | I would connect the laptop to PC over ethernet and phone to laptop over USB | 18:48 |
| ttyp0 | then just share the laptop connection to the desktop | 18:48 |
| Juuba | :D yeah | 18:48 |
| ttyp0 | both get "fixed" connection | 18:48 |
| Juuba | i'll try that | 18:48 |
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| Juuba | this cheapass thing I has: BUFFALO AirStation N150 Wireless USB Adapter - WLI-UC-GNM | 18:48 |
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| Juuba | on my desktop | 18:48 |
| Juuba | pohwel,, time to pull some cabels | 18:49 |
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| ttyp0 | I bought a "wifi" motherboard for my desktop PC as well, Asus Z97-Pro | 18:50 |
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| ttyp0 | from 4m away, with nothing but wooden wall between the desktop pc and the wifi router, the desktop doesn't even sense the wifi 80% of the time. then again, the wifi router is some cheap-ass huawei piece of low-end consumer crap | 18:51 |
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| ttyp0 | and, additionally, the desktop pc case is 26kg of stainless steel | 18:51 |
| ttyp0 | :D | 18:51 |
| ttyp0 | I should probably consider buying an amplifier outside of the case | 18:52 |
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| Juuba | TADAA! | 19:00 |
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| ttyp0 | blazing fast speeds all around? | 19:02 |
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| Juuba | at least better.. | 19:04 |
| Juuba | I get about 20 Mbps | 19:05 |
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| Juuba | http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4691038020 | 19:06 |
| Juuba | not good, not bad :( | 19:06 |
| Juuba | 1 MB UL i think on my poor connection | 19:06 |
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| c0ck4m0u53 | is there a way to remove tutorial app without breaking/ removing half the system in the process:D? | 19:18 |
| ajalkane | Is there a way to skip the tutorial if you don't want to go through it ump-teenth time? :-D | 19:19 |
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| ajalkane | Like some three finger illuminati greeting saying "yeah I know this, we're brothers" | 19:20 |
| phdeswer | ajalkane: tap each corner one after another starting from top left | 19:20 |
| ajalkane | phdeswer: thank you! | 19:20 |
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| coderus | сдщслцшыу | 19:28 |
| coderus | clockwise | 19:28 |
| coderus | c0ck4m0u53: pkcon remove sailfish-tutorial | 19:29 |
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| urjaman | gosh you shouldve told that to me way back | 20:50 |
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