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| garnerlogan65 | Is there a Sailfish OS build for One M8? Pretty sure I already know the answer, just wanted to check. | 01:02 |
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| daitheflu | Hi | 07:30 |
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| coderus | Is there policy to read system journal as normal user with no root? | 08:46 |
| coderus | privileged does not give enough rights for that. | 08:48 |
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| chem|st | coderus: I think not, journal may have passwords and stuff logged | 09:23 |
| chem|st | s/think/believe/ | 09:24 |
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| Taaem | https://www.houndify.com a platform for making speech recognization a la Google now by the makers from the soundhound app | 11:24 |
| Taaem | taixzo: ^ | 11:25 |
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| Taaem | Or maybe jolla can build a integrated app for it ;-) | 11:26 |
| coderus | how many project is the world suitable for category "Or maybe jolla can build a integrated app for it"? | 11:27 |
| coderus | projects* | 11:27 |
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| Taaem | coderus: dunno but you are technically right no need to have jolla do that any dev could make a good client | 11:31 |
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| coderus | no, i mean jolla team is too busy with system to do something other. since 1.0.0.5 there are was a lot of ideas of integrating great services into system, but i don't know any of it implemented "by Jolla" | 11:33 |
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| Taaem | Yep I get you | 11:35 |
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| coderus | and i prefer jolla team to continue developing system, and not services, but providing good api and docs for creating integrated services ourselves | 11:37 |
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| TheBootroo|work | coderus: could you urge jolla team to integrate you combined patch for launcher in the mainstream OS? | 11:59 |
| TheBootroo|work | because your folder icons + transparent swipable popup is just perfect | 12:00 |
| TheBootroo|work | default one feels out-of-context | 12:00 |
| TheBootroo|work | and it's kinda PITA to disable patch before each upgrade and then try to re-enable after to check if it still works | 12:01 |
| TheBootroo|work | maybe you could start a poll about this on TJC, and jolla would conform to users vote ? | 12:01 |
| TheBootroo|work | we've seen some comunity changes integrated in SFOS by the past | 12:02 |
| TheBootroo|work | you not yours | 12:02 |
| SfietKonstantinW | TheBootroo|work: let's wait about opensourcing | 12:04 |
| SfietKonstantinW | if there is an opensource homescreen, it would be simple to have a "fork" | 12:04 |
| SfietKonstantinW | with community patches | 12:04 |
| locusf | and hopefully built in obs :) | 12:05 |
| TemeV | I'd guess the patch is quite obsolete with sailfish 2.0 anyway | 12:05 |
| TemeV | or at least needs to be rewritten | 12:05 |
| SfietKonstantinW | locusf: yep | 12:11 |
| SfietKonstantinW | I would like to have a team maintaining a community fork | 12:11 |
| SfietKonstantinW | or forks | 12:11 |
| locusf | cssu would be nice | 12:11 |
| locusf | ah beat me to it :) | 12:12 |
| TheBootroo|work | SfietKonstantinW: the issue with community forks is that upgrades destroy it | 12:12 |
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| TheBootroo|work | better integrate in standard and have a settings page to enable side features | 12:12 |
| SfietKonstantinW | TheBootroo|work: but you can rebase stuff more easily | 12:13 |
| SfietKonstantinW | TheBootroo|work: let's see, design by commitee might not be the best ever | 12:13 |
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| locusf | thats why I said to develop a cssu like system, community releases which consist of Jolla changes + community | 12:15 |
| locusf | well cssu was made because Nokia died :p | 12:16 |
| locusf | lets Jolla doesn't and we could could do something similar but less ominously named :) | 12:16 |
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| locusf | this of course depends greatly on the grandness of the open sourcing | 12:17 |
| coderus | inegrate patchmanager to sailfishos? | 12:18 |
| locusf | coderus: no, pure package upgrades | 12:25 |
| SfietKonstantinW | coderus: you compile your own lipstick with a set of patches. You ship it. No more patch breaking stuff etc. | 12:30 |
| SfietKonstantinW | and this might create XDA-style rom coocking market | 12:31 |
| SfietKonstantinW | where people assemble their own set of patch, and create their own OS | 12:31 |
| SfietKonstantinW | to distribute it as either SW update or flashable roms to other users | 12:31 |
| locusf | geh | 12:36 |
| locusf | well | 12:36 |
| coderus | no no, i'm just joking, not answering to your ideas :D | 12:36 |
| locusf | we can't still distribute the flashable partition images | 12:36 |
| locusf | coderus: ahaa :D | 12:36 |
| coderus | and yeah, it will be possible only after opensourcing jolla lipstick | 12:36 |
| SfietKonstantinW | locusf: distribute it as packge updates then | 12:37 |
| SfietKonstantinW | hope that this got saner for the tablet | 12:37 |
| locusf | SfietKonstantinW: how does one distribute the changes to hardware adaptation? | 12:37 |
| SfietKonstantinW | if you cook the user experience, I expect that there is no hw adaptation to ship | 12:38 |
| TemeV | I think it should be possible already to create .rpm with all the lipstick stuff and modified qml | 12:38 |
| SfietKonstantinW | use the existing one | 12:38 |
| locusf | TemeV: we don't have the c++ source for a complete one, we have to rely on Jolla for the complete binary | 12:39 |
| locusf | SfietKonstantinW: hmm yes | 12:39 |
| SfietKonstantinW | locusf: basically, what you are doing with Glacier homescreen | 12:40 |
| locusf | SfietKonstantinW: actually no, Jolla still does kernel updates, without the community being able to do their own kernel images (basically Jolla initrd) | 12:41 |
| TemeV | locusf: isnt' it possible to get the binary and qml from the phone and just package it to .rpm? | 12:42 |
| locusf | TemeV: sure | 12:42 |
| locusf | but its just a repackaging | 12:42 |
| TemeV | so if you don't need to edit binary you can alrady release lipstick "fork" | 12:42 |
| locusf | not really "pure" | 12:42 |
| TemeV | it's not the real thing of course, and propably patch manager is the better way to go | 12:43 |
| locusf | TemeV: the lipstick binary decides the used homescreen qml file | 12:44 |
| locusf | ergo c++ | 12:44 |
| locusf | home window | 12:44 |
| urjaman | hmm... have they modified the actual lipstick code without releasing it? (I just googled and it seems to be LGPL... which would make it a license violation if they modified the core and didnt release it) | 12:45 |
| locusf | no | 12:45 |
| locusf | lipstick is just a library | 12:45 |
| urjaman | ah | 12:45 |
| urjaman | okay | 12:45 |
| SfietKonstantinW | locusf: post script to extract the tricky bits ? :S | 12:46 |
| TemeV | locusf: yes, but it is possible to edit that qml file. | 12:46 |
| locusf | TemeV: yeah, brajnfart :P | 12:47 |
| locusf | SfietKonstantinW: kernel or system? | 12:47 |
| SfietKonstantinW | locusf: kernel | 12:50 |
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| locusf | SfietKonstantinW: then you're left with a device which doesn't have means to do a software reset with lock code | 12:52 |
| daitheflu | is there a video of this homescreen patch somewhere ? | 12:58 |
| SfietKonstantinW | locusf: true | 13:00 |
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| haasn | Would it be possible to set it up such that some applications are available even from the lockscreen? Even their “thumbnails” would be fine. For example, I want to be able to see what song is playing and skip/pause (which are the two actions) on my music player without having to unlock my phone first | 13:03 |
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| coderus | haasn: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/patch-lockscreen-mediaplayer-controls | 13:19 |
| haasn | Also, has anybody managed to get “developer mode” USB to work? I want to ssh over USB, because WLAN is slow and unreliable | 13:25 |
| haasn | But I haven't managed to find a consistent way to set it up | 13:25 |
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| haasn | coderus: Looks interesting; do you happen to know if SMPC implements an MPRIS2 interface already? MPD doesn't have one natively, but it seems there are daemons available that would provide a bridge for it | 13:27 |
| haasn | eg. https://github.com/eonpatapon/mpDris2 | 13:27 |
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| coderus | no idea | 13:30 |
| coderus | and what wrong with usb? go to settings - developer mode and setup it | 13:30 |
| SfietKonstantinW | haasn: developing on windows / linux / mac ? | 13:30 |
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| haasn | coderus: I have it set up, but the IP it lists cannot be reached (eg. via ping) from my PC | 13:31 |
| haasn | which makes sense, as I haven't added an interface for it | 13:31 |
| haasn | Problem: I cannot figure out how to add an interface for it | 13:31 |
| coderus | so, what is your os? | 13:32 |
| haasn | coderus: Gentoo Linux | 13:32 |
| coderus | and using gentoo you can't add network interface? | 13:33 |
| coderus | switch to something easier with network namager installed then :D | 13:33 |
| haasn | SfietKonstantinW: Not sure what you're asking; I'm on Linux. By the way, I see you are the author of patchmanager - do you recommend using patchmanager-ui or jolla-settings-patchmanager? The latter is installed by default, but I cannot find any information on how to access the settings; so I figured patchmanager-ui might be better but they conflict. thought I'd ask to be sure | 13:33 |
| haasn | coderus: So are you suggesting that I should install networkmanager in order to connect with the phone? | 13:34 |
| coderus | no :) | 13:34 |
| coderus | you need to read man | 13:34 |
| coderus | check ifconfig after connecting usb in developer mode, have it added usbX interface? | 13:34 |
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| coderus | if not check dmesg | 13:34 |
| haasn | Oh, I'm missing usbnet it seems | 13:36 |
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| haasn | https://together.jolla.com/question/41912/why-is-jollasailfish-so-hard-to-connect-to-linux/ contains good information | 13:39 |
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| haasn | SfietKonstantinW: Oh, I had to restart the settings application. It shows up now, never mind | 13:40 |
| skvark | btw I published yesterday my OCR app alpha version https://github.com/skvark/Textractor/releases/tag/v0.1-1 | 13:41 |
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| skvark | special thanks to coderus for the camera help | 13:42 |
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| daitheflu | skvark: I played a bit with Tesseract a few weeks ago but never got any result. Do you have some ? | 13:49 |
| daitheflu | I may have a look at your code if so | 13:49 |
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| haasn | coderus: I applied the patch, D-bus lists org.mpris.MediaPlayer2.mpd as an available service, I have the lockscreen settings set to “Custom” with the string set to that. I still do not see any media player controls on the lock screen. Does applying the patch require a reboot? | 14:16 |
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| skvark | daitheflu: yes if the image is preprocessed properly Tesseract gives pretty good results | 14:18 |
| coderus | haasn: there is pulldown menu in patchmanager - restart preloaded services for that | 14:18 |
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| coderus | haasn: if you closed it you need to restart lipstick | 14:18 |
| haasn | “Restart preloaded services” is grayed out | 14:19 |
| coderus | it's available after applying patch only | 14:19 |
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| haasn | Hmm. | 14:22 |
| haasn | After rebooting, my device shows a blank screen and the button blinks green | 14:22 |
| haasn | (I can still connect via SSH, fortunately) | 14:22 |
| daitheflu | skvark: seems like I'll need to give it a deeper look, thanks for the hint :) | 14:23 |
| coderus | journalctl -a /usr/bin/lipstick as root | 14:23 |
| coderus | and check what failed | 14:23 |
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| haasn | coderus: not sure how to read https://0x0.st/pk.txt | 14:24 |
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| coderus | is it full log? it's wrapped into pager by default | 14:26 |
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| coderus | you can add --no-pager | 14:27 |
| haasn | I got that output by piping it into a file and uploading it. It should be the whole log | 14:28 |
| haasn | but I did it again to be sure (I think it also has grown by then) https://0x0.st/pd.txt | 14:28 |
| haasn | coderus: ah, I think I got it to work | 14:28 |
| coderus | ? | 14:29 |
| haasn | coderus: I started mpDris2 and restarted lipstick | 14:29 |
| haasn | (via systemctl) | 14:29 |
| haasn | do you know if mpDris2 not running would have caused this issue? | 14:29 |
| coderus | no it shouldn't | 14:29 |
| haasn | (I have to start it from user space, manually) | 14:29 |
| haasn | Weird. As long as it works now I'm happy, no time to debug; I'll try it again later | 14:29 |
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| haasn | Bleh, MTP is also so useless at transferring files; MSC support would have been so much better | 14:33 |
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| coderus | use ssh or netcat :D | 14:36 |
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| haasn`phone | coderus: that's the plan, just gotta get usb networking to work first :P | 15:53 |
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| haasn`phone | I originally planned to use a Sansa Clip+ as makeshift USB microSD reader, but it just freezes up during transfer :/ | 15:54 |
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| haasn | coderus: Hmm, I built CDC Ethernet support and CDC EEM support, it still just shows up as a generic USB device (nothing in dmesg, no interface added). Do you know if I also need RNDIS support or CDC ACM support? | 16:44 |
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| haasn | Hmm, added some more stuff and now I get "bad CDC descriptors" upon plugging it in | 16:49 |
| coderus | haasn: sorry i'm not using gentoo | 16:52 |
| coderus | but device is rndis based | 16:53 |
| coderus | maybe it helps you | 16:53 |
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| haasn | coderus: Ah, yeah; seems like all of the Android/CM instructions map 1:1 | 16:57 |
| haasn | seems like for some reason it wasn't loading usb_f_rndis.ko when I plugged the device in, modprobe'd it manually and the device shows up! | 16:57 |
| coderus | create rule then :) | 16:57 |
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| haasn | (I'll just build it into the kernel instead of using a module; I just built it as a module so I didn't have to reboot to load the new kernel) | 16:59 |
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| haasn | Aeesome, that was literally all that was missing; everything else just works automagically | 16:59 |
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| haasn | including interface setup etc. (via DHCP) | 16:59 |
| haasn | coderus: It would be good if somebody could add this information (which specific kernel drivers are needed) somewhere :) | 17:00 |
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| haasn | (or at least mention add *some* sort of description to the developer mode USB thing mentioning the fact that it shows up as a wireless RNDIS device or whatever) | 17:00 |
| coderus | haasn: write to tjc :) | 17:02 |
| haasn | tjc? | 17:02 |
| coderus | together.jolla.com | 17:03 |
| coderus | best place to ask random stuff and save answer for other people :) | 17:03 |
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| haasn | coderus: Thanks, I should use it more often. https://together.jolla.com/question/41912/why-is-jollasailfish-so-hard-to-connect-to-linux/?answer=94799#post-id-94799 hopefully this helps somebody in the future :) | 17:25 |
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| r0kk3rz | yeah not sure why they didnt just use rndis for the default connection really | 17:34 |
| r0kk3rz | aside from having to install drivers for windows, but thats not the end of the world | 17:35 |
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| Thaodan | where the place where jolla hosts spec files for their packages? (just like abs or the git repo from arch linux, I mean)? | 18:38 |
| coderus | Thaodan: what? | 18:39 |
| haasn | Whoa. Connected the sd card via an actual sd card reader rather than via the phone, and performance jumps from about 7 MB/s to about 80 MB/s | 18:40 |
| Thaodan | coderus: I seek the repo or the place where jolla saves the spec files for all packages so that i can increase the version of tpqt | 18:41 |
| haasn | What is the bottleneck coming from? slow USB networking? slow SSH encryption? slow sdcard access on the device itself? | 18:41 |
| Thaodan | I want something like: https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git | 18:41 |
| haasn | Seems like it might be the latter, since dd etc. are also exceptionally slow | 18:41 |
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| coderus | Thaodan: https://github.com/nemomobile-packages/telepathy-qt | 18:43 |
| haasn | Oh, it was a fluke; it was failing due to permissions and therefore not actually transferring | 18:43 |
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| haasn | Now transfer is only like 10 MB/s, slightly faster but not significantly | 18:46 |
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| haasn | Seems like my “Class 10” card really is exactly 10 MB/s. They sure cheaped out in their advertising, claiming up to 48 MB/s performance | 18:56 |
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| Nokius | kimmoli: may u like it https://gist.github.com/Nokius/db76da6ae45e39112ecd using octcat is not the best :,( https://github.com/logos | 19:27 |
| kimmoli | Nokius: ok | 19:30 |
| Nokius | kimmoli: may to dark I don't know :-/ added a readme with the link to clipboard source | 19:33 |
| Nokius | kimmoli: do u like to get pull request? or do u like to changes :D | 19:33 |
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| kimmoli | kinda dark yes | 19:37 |
| Nokius | kimmoli: I will fox it | 19:39 |
| urjaman | fox :D | 19:40 |
| kimmoli | mozzila? | 19:40 |
| Nokius | fix :P | 19:42 |
| Nokius | kimmoli: check I pushes bit more gray | 19:43 |
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| haasn | coderus: Hmm, after a reboot I still experience the blinking green light issue, but it seems to fix itself as soon as I start mpd | 19:45 |
| coderus | haasn: interesting :) | 19:47 |
| haasn | coderus: Maybe all I need to do is add mpd to autostart somehow | 19:47 |
| haasn | Hmm, I thought I already did that though. Maybe I did it wrong, or maybe it was unrelated? | 19:47 |
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| coderus | haasn: no idea, but it sad if it crashing if no service. it's of course unexpected behaviour | 19:51 |
| haasn | coderus: I think mpd might be crashing here, or something | 19:51 |
| coderus | haasn: it's not related | 19:51 |
| haasn | and restaring fixes it or something? constantly complains about “no database” | 19:51 |
| coderus | patch making lipstick to freeze/crash | 19:51 |
| coderus | ah btw | 19:51 |
| haasn | not much clue what's going on right now | 19:52 |
| coderus | check your mpdMpris | 19:52 |
| coderus | and create a service file for this | 19:52 |
| coderus | it will solve issue for you :) | 19:52 |
| haasn | yeah that would also be nice, also I need a service file for autoplay.py eventually | 19:52 |
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| haasn | coderus: while the patch is running, shutting off mpd results in it just disappearing. Starting mpd has it appear again | 19:57 |
| haasn | Just for some reason it sometimes doesn't like this | 19:57 |
| haasn | Earlier I turned off mpd and my LED started blinking red when I went to lock it | 19:57 |
| haasn | [nemo@idletrout autoplay]$ sqlite3 db.sqlite 'select * from songs' | wc -l | 19:59 |
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| haasn | 11962 | 19:59 |
| haasn | Everything seems to be working and successfully imported now; mpd with all songs via microSDXC card, mpDris2, the MPRIS2 notifier thing, SMPC, autoplay.py with the entire database moved over from my PC, etc. :) | 19:59 |
| haasn | Proving that mpd on SailfishOS *is* possible, if perhaps potentially somewhat buggy right now :p | 20:00 |
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| haasn | coderus: re: red light, I may have accidentally messed with the battery while opening it up to replace the SD card or something, that seems like the most likely explanation | 20:01 |
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| mgrover | i currently have items in a list view, and on the righthand side theres information, like the jolla call log ui, ive attempted to recreate this like this http://i.imgur.com/9BVhsg3.png, is that too many labels? | 22:22 |
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| coderus | mgrover: seems so, try to put it under station name | 22:25 |
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| mgrover | coderus: all the labels? or just one part e.g the status | 22:27 |
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| mgrover | 2nd attempt http://i.imgur.com/pmFbJal.png | 22:35 |
| coderus | i think station and platform in one line, and time on second one | 22:35 |
| coderus | or platform under station name with small font, and time on the right, and do not show amended time if on time | 22:36 |
| coderus | and i'm going to sleep, can't help you more today, good luck :) | 22:37 |
| mgrover | the platform under station name was perfect thank you :) goodnight | 22:39 |
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| Thaodan | why does mb2 just uses make -j1 when building sources this very annoying | 23:17 |
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| SaberAltria | How to solve "using null input device, none available" with QAudioInput | 23:23 |
| SaberAltria | source code : https://github.com/SaberAltria/harbour-guitar-tuner/tree/master/src | 23:24 |
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| mgrover | whats the best way to having multiple delegates? having basically two states or two seperate QML files? | 23:30 |
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