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| coderus | i hate "Timeout waiting for reply from server." in qtc!!!!!!!!! | 10:08 |
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| kimmoli | :) | 10:09 |
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| coderus | why the hell it have timeout? | 10:10 |
| coderus | i run application and want to get output | 10:10 |
| coderus | but qtc tired to wait for reply | 10:11 |
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| olpe | any volunteers here for a small test? Need somebody who has 2 jolla phones or 2 phones running sailfish | 11:20 |
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| mal- | olpe: what kind of test? | 11:26 |
| mal- | I have Jolla and one ported sailfish phone | 11:27 |
| olpe | Working Hours Tracker. Exporting data from one phone and sending to another phone and then trying to import there. I'll pm you mal- | 11:27 |
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| coderus | olpe: export data, clear data on phone, import own data, no? | 13:04 |
| olpe | yes. coderus | 13:05 |
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| coderus | i mean you don't need two phones to test it :) | 13:14 |
| TemeV | I'm having problem creating ambiance rpm | 13:15 |
| TemeV | http://pastebin.com/CuftbSe5 | 13:15 |
| olpe | no that's true. But it's nice to hear if it works on another device too coderus | 13:15 |
| kimmoli | olpe: at least with different locales | 13:16 |
| kimmoli | TemeV: maybe show the .spec too? | 13:18 |
| TemeV | That is actually the ambiance-template | 13:18 |
| olpe | about the locales kimmoli: I atm convert all commas to points. Running sql script would fail i any commas there.And I don't know if it is even possible to use this app with commas in numbers | 13:19 |
| TemeV | http://pastebin.com/KY2iuv0D | 13:19 |
| TemeV | kimmoli: there | 13:19 |
| olpe | I think all inserts would fail in case of commas. kimmoli | 13:21 |
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| kimmoli | TemeV: https://github.com/kimmoli/tohiri-ambience/blob/master/rpm/harbour-tohiri-ambience.spec | 13:22 |
| kimmoli | afaik there need to be the qmake macros too? | 13:22 |
| kimmoli | add rows 3-6 and check again | 13:23 |
| TemeV | didn't help | 13:26 |
| TemeV | but there seems to be other differences also | 13:27 |
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| kimmoli | yep, i have ripped translations, etc not-so-importatnt stuff away | 13:29 |
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| TemeV | Now I'm getting some other erros, progress at least :) | 13:30 |
| kimmoli | and it has only a wallpaper, no sounds. and this works only from jolla store, you'll need to manually restart ambienced if installing with pkcon afaik. | 13:31 |
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| kimmoli | i have seen some solution for ambience rpm's to succesfully install with pkcon install-local | 13:32 |
| TemeV | Ok, I think I can solve this now. Thanks kimmoli :) | 13:32 |
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| coderus | TemeV: check this: https://github.com/CODeRUS/ambience-snow-white-legacy | 13:40 |
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| coderus | kimmoli: ping | 14:18 |
| coderus | what means whatsup have tohkbd support, is it something special to do? | 14:18 |
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| TemeV | coderus: thanks | 14:21 |
| TemeV | and I've been wondering the same about whatsup | 14:22 |
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| kimmoli | coderus: pomg | 15:25 |
| kimmoli | what whatsup where? | 15:25 |
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| kimmoli | coderus: just landscape afaik, http://www.jollausers.com/2015/04/video-whatsup-is-back-and-it-brings-tohkbd-support/ | 15:30 |
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| kimmoli | btw, the QtQuick Keys or KeyNavigation works with tohkbd | 15:53 |
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| coderus | kimmoli: i want my developer tohkbd to add cool hotkeys :D | 16:48 |
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| kimmoli | coolkeys then? | 17:05 |
| coderus | keys are cool, but i wanna add hotkeys to my applications :D | 17:07 |
| kimmoli | feel free. i just tested that the QtQuick Keys.onXxx works | 17:08 |
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| kimmoli | but it needed that the focus is on that object which child "Keys" is | 17:09 |
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| kimmoli | coderus: ping | 17:44 |
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| kimmoli | coderus: undo pong | 17:46 |
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| yauhn | Hey guys! Do any of you use a device other than the jolla phone? | 18:28 |
| mal- | yes, although not as main phone, if you mean other sailfish phone | 18:29 |
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| yauhn | ... like sailfish os on the nexus etc | 18:30 |
| mal- | I have sailfish on xperia pro | 18:30 |
| yauhn | i'm about to buy my first smartphone. So, i came here.. | 18:30 |
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| yauhn | is it going to be any hassle using the phone without its native os? Google is not bieng very helpful.. . | 18:32 |
| yauhn | :/ | 18:33 |
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| mal- | it depends on how well the porting has gone, I ave understood that nexus 5 port for example is quite good already | 18:33 |
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| yauhn | and what about the updates? | 18:34 |
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| mal- | yauhn: you mean os updates? | 18:35 |
| yauhn | yeah that.. | 18:35 |
| yauhn | There are phones on the market with better or almost the same specs for wayy less price to which the os has apparantly been ported to. | 18:36 |
| mal- | those happen when porters get a new version done, no actual updates currently, just a new image with the new version | 18:36 |
| yauhn | hmmm.... | 18:37 |
| r0kk3rz | device ports are very much second class citizens | 18:38 |
| mal- | the basic requirement at the moment is cm10.1 or cm11 for porting sailfish | 18:38 |
| yauhn | what would you recommend then? should i just go ahead buy the jolla phone? or buy soething like the xiaomi mi2 and use the ported os? | 18:38 |
| r0kk3rz | the biggest thing missing is alien dalvik isnt on device ports | 18:39 |
| mal- | yauhn: porting needs to be done for each device | 18:39 |
| yauhn | alien dalvik is necessary to run android native applications, right? | 18:41 |
| mal- | yes | 18:41 |
| r0kk3rz | and for the mi2 you'd have to port it yourself | 18:41 |
| r0kk3rz | and whilst you could probably get it running ok in a few days, it will take a fair amount of effort before you get 100% working device | 18:42 |
| mal- | at least it has cm11 available | 18:43 |
| yauhn | so.. i rather buy the official phone? | 18:43 |
| yauhn | well.. thats what i thought | 18:43 |
| r0kk3rz | if you want a 100% working supported device with zero effort on your half, then yes Jolla phone | 18:43 |
| coderus | kimmoli: :D | 18:44 |
| yauhn | i don't think i have enough technical knowledge :| | 18:44 |
| r0kk3rz | but its not usually a case of just rolling through the HADK and ending up with a perfect image | 18:44 |
| mal- | it can take months of works | 18:45 |
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| r0kk3rz | yauhn: there's a good group in #sailfishos-porters to help you, and the HADK is a good kickstart | 18:45 |
| r0kk3rz | but you'd need to be prepared to learn lots, and put in the time | 18:45 |
| mal- | I started porting my device about 4 months ago | 18:46 |
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| scottc | specs don't matter too much. Sailfish doesn't really require as many resources as Android so it's not really comparable | 18:46 |
| scottc | unless you're talking about screen or something | 18:46 |
| yauhn | oh.. i was just considering the cameras... | 18:47 |
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| yauhn | i don't thing ill be using any resource hungry applications anyway | 18:47 |
| r0kk3rz | the jolla phone camera isnt anything to write home about | 18:47 |
| yauhn | well.. its not the highest of my priorities anyway.. an average camera is fine i guess | 18:48 |
| yauhn | Alright then, maybe when i'm buying my second phone, ill try and port it.. | 18:50 |
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| scottc | I was really disappointed by the camera, to be honest | 18:50 |
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| scottc | haven't gotten one good shot with it | 18:50 |
| yauhn | was that because you had high expectations or because the camera is bad.. | 18:51 |
| r0kk3rz | however, if you like what Jolla is doing, then supporting them by buying their device(s) is a good thing | 18:52 |
| scottc | well I had a nexus 4 previously and the camera was better on that | 18:52 |
| scottc | still, I much prefer the Jolla as a phone | 18:52 |
| scottc | and company, culture, openness, etc. | 18:52 |
| r0kk3rz | coming in here and #jollamobile and having direct conversations with the people that make your phone is awesome | 18:53 |
| yauhn | ^ thats why im REALLY considering not buying an android or windows phone. | 18:53 |
| yauhn | and that :D | 18:54 |
| scottc | +1 to that, r0kk3rz | 18:54 |
| scottc | the OS is awesome too | 18:54 |
| yauhn | the community seems to be splendid from what i see actually.. kudos for that | 18:54 |
| Tegu | I didn't even realize at first. I was just chatting a little and later realized that they're actually developers :D | 18:55 |
| scottc | heh :D | 18:55 |
| yauhn | speaking of which, im pretty sure ill have access to all the necessary type of apps.. am i correct? | 18:57 |
| Tegu | define necessary type of apps | 18:58 |
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| Tegu | there still aren't lots of apps, so things are missing and android versions need to be used | 18:59 |
| yauhn | just, popular social media applications, messengers, maps, maybe even a *chan clien | 18:59 |
| yauhn | Oh! and irc. | 18:59 |
| yauhn | I know a whatsapp client is being ported.. | 19:00 |
| r0kk3rz | irc is there | 19:00 |
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| r0kk3rz | social media apps not so much | 19:01 |
| r0kk3rz | or maps | 19:01 |
| Tegu | I just remembered that the store is not visible anywhere else than in the phone | 19:01 |
| r0kk3rz | but thats what android apps are for | 19:01 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah no web frontend for the store | 19:01 |
| yauhn | You mean for maps? | 19:02 |
| Tegu | maybe the store should be scraped a bit and dumped to webz | 19:02 |
| r0kk3rz | yauhn: android apps are your best bet for maps and social media | 19:03 |
| yauhn | oh... but, does running android apps feel like using windows software under wine? | 19:04 |
| r0kk3rz | although there are a couple of community offerings for maps | 19:04 |
| r0kk3rz | and there is jolla-maps which uses nokia here maps | 19:04 |
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| r0kk3rz | the android functionality works quite well | 19:05 |
| yauhn | Oh cool. | 19:05 |
| Tegu | google play needs some tweaking to get working, though, as far as I know | 19:07 |
| Tegu | haven't bothered to try | 19:07 |
| yauhn | acually, as long as its functional for now. I have a kind of inexplicable faith in devs to be able to makedin superior native alternatives for the platform | 19:08 |
| Tegu | and thus apps that depend o google services | 19:08 |
| yauhn | ..in the future | 19:08 |
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| Tegu | I had that faith :D not sure if anymore.. | 19:09 |
| yauhn | why? :o | 19:09 |
| olpe | Hey. Can somebody try to explain me why is this only working when launching the app from command line? Fails when opening the app normally. What's the difference? http://pastebin.com/Vy6yEyFE | 19:10 |
| Tegu | just that if you want something and its not yet there, you'd probably better be prepared to do stuff on your own | 19:10 |
| FloR707 | Hi there. I would need some quick help on a simple thing. I created a column with two rows. The first row is kind of a header and the second row is a listview that I use as a log. In case the liest view has more entries than can be displayed I would like to make the second row scrolable. How can I do that? | 19:11 |
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| yauhn | Tegu: not a problem.. | 19:12 |
| FloR707 | And another thing. Where is the Sailfish documentation? I tried to look up some properties but could not find anything. | 19:14 |
| cybrNaut | Tegu> maybe the store should be scraped a bit and dumped to webz <= if you mean the google play store, that's been done. there are APK downloader sites | 19:16 |
| r0kk3rz | FloR707: docs are in the sdk | 19:17 |
| scottc | +1 to "you'd probably be prepared to do stuff on your own" | 19:19 |
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| scottc | I wrote a realtime train app for Ireland before I got my Jolla because there wasn't one available | 19:20 |
| scottc | that's one great thing about Sailfish too - writing apps is so simple and nice | 19:20 |
| Tegu | cybrNaut: ah, I was referring to the jolla store | 19:21 |
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| yauhn | I really don't think i'm going to be using any services which are not extreamely mainstream | 19:22 |
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| yauhn | .. so there is that | 19:23 |
| r0kk3rz | yauhn: in native apps its the extremely mainstream support we currently lack | 19:23 |
| yauhn | i really find it tough to imagine uses other that music, messaging and messaging for a phone man | 19:25 |
| r0kk3rz | certainly in first-party apps anyway | 19:25 |
| r0kk3rz | you can do music | 19:25 |
| r0kk3rz | and messaging is a rather nebulous term these days | 19:26 |
| r0kk3rz | so many different messaging protocols its not funny | 19:26 |
| yauhn | irc, XMPP (fb) .. voip..? | 19:27 |
| yauhn | and whatsapp. | 19:27 |
| r0kk3rz | fb just turned off their xmpp | 19:27 |
| r0kk3rz | but xmpp is supported | 19:27 |
| r0kk3rz | whatsapp is an interesting situation | 19:28 |
| yauhn | WHY WOULD FACEBOOK DO THAT? | 19:28 |
| r0kk3rz | because its Facebook, and fuck you thats why | 19:28 |
| yauhn | and whatsapp? | 19:28 |
| r0kk3rz | whatsapp is currently hostile to third-party apps | 19:29 |
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| scottc | r0kk3rz: ugh, is XMPP dead now? | 19:29 |
| scottc | (for FB) | 19:29 |
| yauhn | i've heard... | 19:29 |
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| scottc | I knew they were planning it soon, but didn't think it had happened yet | 19:29 |
| r0kk3rz | maybe not just yet, but really soon i think | 19:30 |
| scottc | I remember there was a very short deadline | 19:30 |
| yauhn | wait, xmpp must still be working for sure. Pidgin is not giving me any problems yt | 19:30 |
| scottc | maybe I start investigating their mobile API... | 19:30 |
| r0kk3rz | either way you can no longer xmpp facebook in latest sailfish | 19:30 |
| scottc | I was wondering why I wasn't getting any messages! | 19:30 |
| r0kk3rz | my bad, april 30 is the turn-off date | 19:31 |
| r0kk3rz | so, 10 days | 19:31 |
| scottc | ugh, facebook | 19:31 |
| yauhn | so.. jabber?? | 19:32 |
| yauhn | :< | 19:32 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah jabber works | 19:32 |
| r0kk3rz | xmpp works pretty well | 19:32 |
| scottc | unfortunately, most "normal" people just want to use Facebook... | 19:32 |
| r0kk3rz | there are whatsapp apps which you may or may not get banned for using | 19:33 |
| r0kk3rz | depending on what whatsapp feels like doing at the time | 19:33 |
| scottc | pfff, I'd rather stay away from whatsapp | 19:33 |
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| sakustar | link pls r0kk3rz | 19:33 |
| yauhn | I thought jabber and xmpp were different things and facebook supported both. | 19:34 |
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| yauhn | wow | 19:35 |
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| scottc | i thought they were the same | 19:36 |
| r0kk3rz | sakustar: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94689 | 19:36 |
| r0kk3rz | jabber is xmpp | 19:36 |
| scottc | wah, is that just a custom ambience in that screenshot? so pretty | 19:37 |
| r0kk3rz | there is also another mitakuuluu being cooked up to support axolotl encription | 19:37 |
| yauhn | almost every screenshot of any native app looks sweet as fuck | 19:38 |
| r0kk3rz | yauhn: mitakuuluu was a previous popular whatsapp app | 19:38 |
| scottc | yauhn: hah yeah, it's great | 19:38 |
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| scottc | my friends complimented me on my amazing-looking app | 19:38 |
| scottc | "you're meant to be a programmer, why is your app so pretty" | 19:39 |
| yauhn | lol :D | 19:39 |
| r0kk3rz | haha | 19:39 |
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| r0kk3rz | programmers should know interaction theory | 19:40 |
| r0kk3rz | it makes everything a lot easier for everyone | 19:40 |
| * scottc opens wikipedia | 19:40 | |
| r0kk3rz | and then you dont end up with complete abotions becoming popular | 19:40 |
| r0kk3rz | like snapchat | 19:40 |
| yauhn | i am reading somewhere that facebook will AIM now | 19:41 |
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| scottc | will AIM? | 19:45 |
| yauhn | Sorry... ancient blog entry.. | 19:45 |
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| scottc | ah | 19:46 |
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| yauhn | what about imageboard clients then? have any *chan client yet? | 19:51 |
| coderus | r0kk3rz: yeah it cooking | 19:52 |
| coderus | axolotl is working okay | 19:52 |
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| scottc | yauhn: no idea, but you could always just use the browser | 19:53 |
| yauhn | I still expect a dedicated client to be more convenient for some reason | 19:54 |
| yauhn | they'll have android apps for there right? | 19:54 |
| scottc | most likely | 19:55 |
| scottc | i don't see anything for you searching for "chan" in the store | 19:56 |
| r0kk3rz | im sure you could write a chanboard client | 19:56 |
| scottc | yeah, shouldn't be too hard | 19:56 |
| yauhn | me? | 19:56 |
| scottc | ~if you believe~ | 19:57 |
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| yauhn | I AM learining programming, but the most complicated thing i've written yet is a rock paper scissor lizard spock game.. | 19:57 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah, sailfish is a bit of a 'if you want it then build it yourself' kind of platform at the moment | 19:57 |
| scottc | I like that though | 19:57 |
| scottc | yauhn: honestly it's so easy, I wrote a Hacker News client in an afternoon | 19:58 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah qt is pretty easy to work with | 19:58 |
| yauhn | I get it i get it. | 19:58 |
| scottc | just copy/paste QML from the Component Gallery example app and write a little bit of JS | 19:58 |
| scottc | perfecto | 19:58 |
| yauhn | bros, im still exploring stdio in c++ | 19:58 |
| falfa | good, continue | 19:59 |
| scottc | :) | 19:59 |
| scottc | does anyone know if the Jolla Store client is open source? I can't find source anywhere | 19:59 |
| kimmoli | yauhn: just start here, https://sailfishos.org/develop/sdk-overview/develop-firstapp-article/ | 19:59 |
| yauhn | i will :) and soon ill git gud | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | scottc: it's not | 19:59 |
| scottc | ah | 20:00 |
| scottc | thanks Stskeeps | 20:00 |
| scottc | kimmoli: wow, I wish I'd seen this when I wrote my first app :D | 20:00 |
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| kimmoli | doesn't nobody google anymore (or ddg, or yahoo! or bing) | 20:01 |
| kimmoli | "sailfish getting started" ? | 20:01 |
| scottc | well yes, but many of the resources were 404ing when I began learning SfOS dev | 20:01 |
| r0kk3rz | you can get pretty far with just the component gallery and a basic understanding of qml | 20:02 |
| kimmoli | is the silica reference still offline? | 20:03 |
| coderus | kimmoli: yeah | 20:03 |
| yauhn | give me a few months guys, ill start with something simple and begin to contribute | 20:04 |
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| scottc | the component gallery was enough for me to figure it out | 20:04 |
| kimmoli | that is needed reference sometimes | 20:05 |
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| scottc | yeah, it's a good reference | 20:05 |
| kimmoli | coderus: $1 for a swipe left/right recognition on top of iconbuttons. i.e. paint toolbar, would like to make it change by swipe gesture rather than the stupid button | 20:06 |
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| r0kk3rz | kimmoli: similar to cover actions? | 20:11 |
| coderus | kimmoli: use PathView :) | 20:11 |
| coderus | kimmoli: can do it tomorrow | 20:12 |
| coderus | omg omg, i just finished listvew component with static header and footer, and it's even working and looks good! | 20:12 |
| kimmoli | coderus: yeah pathview indeed | 20:13 |
| coderus | kimmoli: but well, then need to add hint for this action | 20:13 |
| coderus | nobody will know it's working this way :) | 20:14 |
| kimmoli | :) | 20:14 |
| coderus | i understand great truth: nobody is reading changelogs :D | 20:14 |
| yauhn | Oh! almost forgot.. thanks guys! you will see me around | 20:20 |
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| Anonyneko | I know the guy left but there is actually one chan client for Sailfish (at least in the openrepos), but... ironically it's for the Russian 2ch | 20:38 |
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| Anonyneko | So only a few of us can make use of it | 20:38 |
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| olpe | This is driving me crazy. I have an error that only occurs when launching the app normally, not when launching from terminal. Any hints on what could be the difference when launching normally? | 20:51 |
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| olpe | is it possible to read qDebugs if not started from command line or QtCreator | 20:54 |
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| Yaniel | it should go to stdout | 20:57 |
| kimmoli | olpe: journalctl -f ? | 20:57 |
| olpe | how? No journal files were found. kimmoli | 20:58 |
| kimmoli | devel-su | 20:58 |
| olpe | cool :) thx kimmoli | 21:01 |
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| olpe | nice. now I got the error: QSqlQuery::exec: database not open | 21:02 |
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| kimmoli | sleep(). gn. | 21:04 |
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| olpe | gn | 21:06 |
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| coderus | olpe: btw, you can use qInstallMessageHandler and write log to file :) | 22:37 |
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