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| chem|st | coderus: patching aliendalvik to mount subvolume android from sdcard if it is available | 01:01 |
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| coderus | chem|st: i understand, so when to expect this patch? :) | 02:06 |
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| coderus | after uninstallation of Yandex Store apkd was removed again :D | 05:31 |
| coderus | wtf, Jolla? :D | 05:31 |
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| meklu|fdf | maagic~~ | 07:52 |
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| Aciid | buy jolla phone, uninstall yandex store, enjoy jolla phone | 08:28 |
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| Nokius_ | the weather is so nice today sun and blue sky sorry SFOS SDK we will have less fun time today :( / :) | 09:00 |
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| chem|st | coderus: :) | 10:56 |
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| coderus | chem|st: m? | 12:04 |
| chem|st | I won't patch aliendalvik for the masses | 12:06 |
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| anandrkris | Am running Update 11...Morning i received a call where it rang but UI to pick the call came a bit late | 12:14 |
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| anandrkris | I was worried that I will miss the call...Anyone else observed such behavior? | 12:15 |
| anandrkris | Am presuming that call process will have the highest priority... | 12:16 |
| meklu|fdf | I've had it happen with earlier updates as well | 12:16 |
| anandrkris | And it should be instantaneous | 12:16 |
| meklu|fdf | where there could be a 2s delay | 12:16 |
| anandrkris | meklu|fdf: hmm...spotted it only today... | 12:17 |
| anandrkris | hope the other party doesn't hang in 2s ;) | 12:17 |
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| coderus | chem|st: why? | 12:37 |
| coderus | meklu|fdf: it could be first call after rebooting? | 12:38 |
| meklu|fdf | could've been | 12:38 |
| coderus | ui could be not cached yet | 12:39 |
| meklu|fdf | I don't boot the device much though, only really for updates | 12:39 |
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| chem|st | coderus: because I have no idea how, I can provide the scripts and systemd files but I have no idea about packaging and how to prevent breaking during upgrade | 12:40 |
| coderus | chem|st: why it should be broken after update? | 12:41 |
| coderus | chem|st: i mean mounting in start_alien | 12:42 |
| coderus | do we still need systemd then? | 12:42 |
| chem|st | you mean leave alone systemd and just add a line checking if there is android subvolume and mount if to the scripts? | 12:42 |
| chem|st | what they do is actually bad, there is systemd for that | 12:43 |
| coderus | chem|st: yep, just add mount to alien scripts | 12:45 |
| coderus | and umount to aliendalvik stop action | 12:45 |
| chem|st | no need to unmount | 12:45 |
| coderus | if needed, yes | 12:45 |
| coderus | chem|st: try and give something for tests | 12:46 |
| coderus | i can try it on two jolla | 12:46 |
| chem|st | do you know how to check for a subvolume like for a path? | 12:47 |
| chem|st | like the optification checks if there is a folder, that is something I did not understand yet | 12:47 |
| chem|st | with partitions it is easy but subvolumes do not show up somewhere | 12:48 |
| coderus | what is the command btrfs subvolume? | 12:49 |
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| chem|st | btrfs subvolume show | 12:53 |
| chem|st | should return an error if sub does not exist | 12:53 |
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| coderus | maybe just do | 12:55 |
| coderus | if mount -o subvol=android /dev/mmcblk1 /opt/alien/data/media; then do something else or not; fi | 12:55 |
| chem|st | ehrm no | 12:57 |
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| chem|st | you want to check if there is a subvolume called android on the sdcard, if yes mount it - doing so after the optification ran through will mount it properly if you mount to /data/media like before | 12:58 |
| coderus | i mean you don't need to check if it exists, just try to mount it | 12:59 |
| chem|st | if you are familiar with that chrooting, maybe there is a way how to optify /data and take the /data/media mount with it | 13:00 |
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| chem|st | coderus: then just mount it after the optifiction in /opt/alien/system/script/alien.sh | 13:21 |
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| chem|st | hmm it actually is mounted with rbind which should take submounts with it or is there some misunderstanding? | 13:25 |
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| coderus | what are you talking about? | 13:35 |
| chem|st | the optification bind mounts of alien.sh that is --rbind mounting /data to /opt/alien/data | 13:38 |
| chem|st | I thought rbind should bind underlying mounts too | 13:39 |
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| Linnak | hi everyone | 13:45 |
| Linnak | I have two questions. If I install sailfish on nokia n9 will everything work? and another one: can i install it on a nokia lumia 925? | 13:46 |
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| tbr | no/no | 13:48 |
| coderus | lumia is dead end | 13:49 |
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| Linnak | tbr: What wil not work? | 13:50 |
| tbr | no idea, probably a big bunch of things. not even sure if phone calls work. Haven't tried in ages. | 13:52 |
| coderus | Linnak: nothing, just phone and wifi (sometimes) | 13:54 |
| Linnak | thanks | 13:54 |
| Linnak | then i have to buy a jolla | 13:56 |
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| attah | Does anyone happen to know when we can expect a new SDK to appear? | 14:00 |
| r0kk3rz | attah: i havent seen any mention of a new sdk | 14:01 |
| attah | I have to admit, i didn't keep track with how many times an OS release prompted a new SDK.. | 14:02 |
| coderus | attah: week after release, not after rc. | 14:02 |
| attah | coderus: oka, thanks :) | 14:03 |
| attah | *okay | 14:03 |
| coderus | also i dont expect sdk update for u11 at all | 14:03 |
| coderus | as i don't see anything changed | 14:03 |
| attah | :( | 14:04 |
| coderus | but you can try upgrade mersdk manually | 14:05 |
| attah | hmm? | 14:07 |
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| attah | i have to admit i don't know what parts come from which project | 14:07 |
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| Linnak | is there a devise from the list devices running sailfish os: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailfish_OS wich works good? | 14:17 |
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| mal- | Linnak: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/index.php?title=Adaptations/libhybris | 14:19 |
| Linnak | thank you | 14:20 |
| r0kk3rz | Linnak: you're better off buying a jolla | 14:20 |
| r0kk3rz | unless you really want to get stuck into device porting | 14:21 |
| Linnak | i understand | 14:29 |
| Linnak | i will wait version 2.0 | 14:33 |
| Linnak | probably my language will included as well | 14:33 |
| r0kk3rz | theres plenty of community language packs | 14:33 |
| r0kk3rz | keyboards and such | 14:34 |
| Linnak | my friend has jolla. he doesn't have hungarian language | 14:34 |
| r0kk3rz | you can always develop one | 14:38 |
| attah | Seems there is a keyboard already, at least | 14:39 |
| attah | the important part if you ask me | 14:39 |
| attah | https://together.jolla.com/question/3225/hungarian-keyboard-layout/ | 14:39 |
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| Linnak | ithought hungarian language os level | 14:41 |
| Linnak | cryorat: Have you hungarian language in your phone? | 14:41 |
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| cryorat | Linnak, nope, who needs it anyway? :) | 14:53 |
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| Linnak | hungarians | 14:53 |
| coderus | attah: i mean using ssu inside vm and sb2 | 14:54 |
| attah | coderus: hmm, yes.. but i'm to crap to do without an ide in this case | 14:56 |
| cryorat | Linnak, thank you captain obvious :) im pretty statisfied with the english language on my phone, besides im hungarian... btw this is mainly a dev channel, for other topics please see #jollamobile | 14:57 |
| coderus | attah: you want to upgrade sdk or ide? | 14:57 |
| Linnak | ok | 14:57 |
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| attah | coderus: well, i want the ide to work at all.. perhaps i'm wrong to consider that part of the SDK, but it does share installer | 14:59 |
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| coderus | qtc will remain the same, just build engine will be upgraded | 15:49 |
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| iluminator105 | has anyone install sailfish on moto x | 15:50 |
| coderus | iluminator105: maybe somebody at #sailfishos-porters | 15:56 |
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| attah | coderus: thx for info | 16:04 |
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| taixzo | Has anybody else had problems installing the SDK on Ubuntu? | 16:56 |
| taixzo | When I try, it just gets as far as "Installing component Mer VM and targets" and hangs forever | 16:59 |
| tbr | which virtualbox version? | 16:59 |
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| taixzo | I installed virtualbox from the Ubuntu repositories half an hour ago, let me check what version it is | 17:01 |
| taixzo | ok, that's odd | 17:01 |
| taixzo | I clicked on virtualbox and my entire OS froze | 17:01 |
| taixzo | Ok, I rebooted. Virtualbox version 4.3.18_Ubuntu_r96516 | 17:03 |
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| coderus | 4.3.22 here | 17:16 |
| taixzo | also, every twenty seconds or so I get a new "problem report" window | 17:17 |
| taixzo | If I select "show details" those windows never finish loading, but dmesg shows the following message being logged repeatedly: "BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for 23s! [merssh:4279]" | 17:18 |
| taixzo | I killed the installer in terminal because the cancel button doesn't work, but it's still running somewhere because there's still an icon for it and I'm still getting error messages every twenty seconds or so | 17:22 |
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| taixzo | Can anyone help? | 17:28 |
| coderus | taixzo: are you sure your ubuntu working correct? | 17:29 |
| coderus | what version btw? | 17:29 |
| coderus | ajalkane: ping | 17:29 |
| coderus | ajalkane: i just checked your ringing restorer sources :D | 17:30 |
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| coderus | ajalkane: you really need good refactoring :D | 17:30 |
| taixzo | coderus: It has been so far. Ubuntu 14.10. | 17:30 |
| taixzo | It's running on a Macbook, although I doubt that makes much difference | 17:31 |
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| taixzo | I don't want to install the SailfishOS SDK in OSX unless I have to, because I'm low on space on that partition | 17:32 |
| coderus | taixzo: check md5sum | 17:34 |
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| coderus | 588670f29a6adc046ebb58dc910614e3 SailfishOSSDK-Beta-1412-Qt5-linux-64-offline.run | 17:34 |
| taixzo | It matches. :/ | 17:35 |
| javispedro | wait | 17:36 |
| javispedro | are you running ubuntu under virtualbox, or dual booting? | 17:36 |
| rooN | hey guys, i've been doing a lot of research on sailfish os and the jolla tablet recently as i'm looking forward to buying a tablet running w/o ios/android. however, i do prefer a 10''-tablet which kind of keeps me from pre-ordering the jolla tablet. i really like sailfish os from what i've read/seen so far. what would you recommend? | 17:38 |
| taixzo | aaaaaa | 17:39 |
| taixzo | javispedro: dual booting | 17:39 |
| taixzo | I have virtualybox installed *on* Ubuntu, though, because the SDK requires it | 17:39 |
| taixzo | rooN: have you considered a Microsoft Surface? Apparently they run decently well with Ubuntu | 17:40 |
| javispedro | taixzo: just pondering, because what you described is what happens when you try to run virtualbox "recursively", ie vbox in vbox guest | 17:40 |
| Yaniel | 1234 comments on igg btw | 17:40 |
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| javispedro | (but no idea why it'd be merssh triggering it...) | 17:43 |
| taixzo | javispedro: I just tested, and I can apparently launch VMs from Virtualbox, so I don't think that could be the issue. | 17:43 |
| rooN | taixzo: haven't had that in mind, yet. i assume you mean it runs ubuntu and not ubuntu touch? i'm actually not demanding a "full" os to run on my tablet. however, i'll dig deeper with reference to what you suggested, thank you | 17:44 |
| taixzo | The last thing that the installer prints before hanging is "Generating keys...", which I assume means SSH keys | 17:44 |
| javispedro | that may take a while on some systems | 17:45 |
| taixzo | javispedro: should it take more than 30 seconds on a quad-core i7? | 17:46 |
| javispedro | it's not a performance thing | 17:46 |
| M4rtinK | well, some systems are surprisingly entropy starved | 17:46 |
| javispedro | that's what I'm thinking | 17:46 |
| javispedro | however, recent openssls now exclusively use urandom either way, but I'm not sure when this happened | 17:47 |
| M4rtinK | but usually not if there is some network activity & real storage devices | 17:47 |
| taixzo | How do I get more entropy? I tried moving my mouse around and keyboard mashing, that was the first thing I thought of | 17:47 |
| M4rtinK | but offline VMs are much worse off | 17:47 |
| taixzo | hmm - that reminds me, my network just stopped working at the same time the installer froze | 17:48 |
| taixzo | no idea which caused which | 17:48 |
| M4rtinK | another possible issue - maybe it can't write where it wants to or got stopped by something like SELinux ? | 17:48 |
| taixzo | Maybe, although I was just putting it in my home folder | 17:50 |
| taixzo | I'm going to try again while streaming a youtube video, perhaps that will boost entropy? | 17:50 |
| taixzo | Right. So, what happened was the exact same thing: when it got to "Generating keys", the program hung, and my network connection stopped working - the video stopped buffering and I can no longer load any pages. | 17:56 |
| taixzo | How can I be having such bizarre problems? This is hardly an unusual software configuration! | 17:59 |
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| M4rtinK | maybe check the system log for anything funny ? | 18:05 |
| ajalkane | coderus: yeah I know, there's lots of old stuff. Just lack motivation due to time issues :-D | 18:06 |
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| taixzo | I don't see anything obvious in syslog (besides the aforementioned "soft lockup" messages), maybe I don't know what I'm looking for though | 18:12 |
| javispedro | anyone knows any kind of program for long term monitoring of traffic done by other programs/pids? | 18:13 |
| javispedro | bandwidth basically | 18:13 |
| javispedro | max, total, etc. | 18:13 |
| javispedro | (that works on the jolla) | 18:14 |
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| javispedro | android does it, so whatever infrastructure they use may be present.. | 18:16 |
| ikarus | iptables has stuff for it | 18:17 |
| javispedro | yeah, I'm reading about conntrack and that seems a way to do it without resorting to libpcap | 18:20 |
| javispedro | not exactly a one line bash script, though.. | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | javispedro: Comcast? | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | ah, monitoring | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | https://github.com/tylertreat/Comcast | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | for shaping | 18:20 |
| javispedro | interestign either way, the last one program I used for shaping was LD_PRELOAD-scary | 18:21 |
| coderus | ajalkane: just random idea: one binary :D | 18:24 |
| ajalkane | why? | 18:25 |
| javispedro | I suspect you can monitor individual socket usage via conntrack OR libpcap and then associate socket to PID via /proc/net/* | 18:25 |
| coderus | ajalkane: because you did so simple application in so complex way :D | 18:25 |
| * javispedro fires up qtcreator | 18:25 | |
| ajalkane | hehe well... it's good practice if I want to bring ProfileMatic to Jolla. And since it's resident in memory, the daemon part should be as small as possible anyway | 18:26 |
| javispedro | hm | 18:28 |
| javispedro | since when is the sdcard mounted noexec? | 18:29 |
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| coderus | ajalkane: it will be exactly same size in memory if you will destrooy view and create it by request | 18:30 |
| coderus | ajalkane: add systemd autostart + dbus linked to each other | 18:30 |
| coderus | and change desktop file (if you have any) to dbus call | 18:30 |
| ajalkane | yeah that's true | 18:30 |
| ajalkane | well that would open the UI quicker, that's one advantage | 18:31 |
| coderus | i don't think it will be quicker | 18:31 |
| ajalkane | dang | 18:31 |
| coderus | maybe just half of second for boosting | 18:31 |
| coderus | which will be done at process startup | 18:31 |
| coderus | but if you will destroy view it will be same | 18:32 |
| coderus | if you will just close it it will show seocond time faster of course :) | 18:32 |
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| fferner | M4rtinK: I just pushed a few cleanups/fixes to the routing_PoC branch. | 19:37 |
| fferner | M4rtinK: in this, routing can be enabled/disabled, point-to-point routing works as before, desired start point and destination are marked by squares... | 19:38 |
| fferner | (note it currently doesn't apply cleanly to your master branch, but should be fixable....) | 19:38 |
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| M4rtinK | fferner: thanks! I'll take a look in a moment | 20:01 |
| fferner | M4rtinK: your welcome. I've also got a version locally that applies to your master branch, need to play with git a bit more before I can push that though.... | 20:03 |
| fferner | At the moment, I believe we need nicer buttons before thinking about including it in a release, but for a feature preview its probably getting there. | 20:04 |
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| tzafrir | I'm trying to figure out how to use gpodder (or is there any better podcast program?) | 20:10 |
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| tzafrir | Specifically, it seems to have a play queue, but I can't seem to figure out how to enqueue a specific episode | 20:10 |
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| M4rtinK | fferner: looks very good! :) | 20:24 |
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| M4rtinK | fferner: the route points are indeed centered now & cleared when a new route is computed | 20:26 |
| M4rtinK | fferner: also an interesting idea with the on/off option in Options->Navigation | 20:27 |
| M4rtinK | fferner: while I think it should be possible to enter & exit the routing mode also without going to options, having it there could be a good alternative way | 20:28 |
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| M4rtinK | fferner: BTW, noticed a small bug: only the destination point triggers routing | 20:30 |
| M4rtinK | fferner: changing the start does not trigger rerouting | 20:30 |
| fferner | M4rtinK: indeed. | 20:30 |
| fferner | I guess this could be added, triggering routing if both points are set and one of them is changed. | 20:31 |
| fferner | now that you mention it, yes, would be a good idea. | 20:31 |
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| M4rtinK | I like the start/destination rectangles | 20:32 |
| M4rtinK | simple yet functional :) | 20:32 |
| fferner | M4rtinK: that was the plan ;-) | 20:32 |
| M4rtinK | using icons on the ma layer is problematic | 20:32 |
| fferner | after all working towards a first usable version fast.... | 20:33 |
| M4rtinK | as they might get lost in the clutter | 20:33 |
| M4rtinK | yeah :) | 20:33 |
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| fferner | I've been thinking about alternatives of enabling the routing without cluttering the default map view too much, so far not come up with anything I like -> enabling it in the option page. | 20:34 |
| M4rtinK | yeah | 20:34 |
| M4rtinK | options are are quite easily available in the Qt 5 GUI | 20:34 |
| M4rtinK | it is more involved in the old GTK one | 20:34 |
| M4rtinK | still I think this might not be very discoverable | 20:35 |
| M4rtinK | I've been thinking about: | 20:35 |
| fferner | there's that, yes. It's hidden fairly deep in the menus. | 20:35 |
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| M4rtinK | main->menu->route | 20:35 |
| M4rtinK | routing mode enabled, users gets dumped on map | 20:35 |
| M4rtinK | there are 2 routing buttons & "end routing" button that clears the route & ends routing mode | 20:36 |
| M4rtinK | does not add much clutter & is more discoverable IMHO | 20:37 |
| fferner | yes, doesn't sound too bad. | 20:37 |
| M4rtinK | and eventually I really like the routing page idea | 20:37 |
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| M4rtinK | we can pack a lot of useful stuff there without cluttering the map view at all | 20:38 |
| fferner | (shame that with panning etc pulley menus are not going to be usable on a mapping applicatinos. | 20:38 |
| M4rtinK | well, there would need to be a bar to make them usable | 20:38 |
| M4rtinK | IIRC the Sailfish OS port of Maep does it like that | 20:38 |
| M4rtinK | but that outright wastes a lot of screen real estate | 20:39 |
| fferner | yes it does, I didn't like it that much... | 20:39 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, I'm thinking about adding button hiding support | 20:39 |
| M4rtinK | after a predefined timeout | 20:39 |
| M4rtinK | the GTK GUI does that by default | 20:40 |
| fferner | seems sensible (if configurable, which I assume ;-) ) | 20:40 |
| M4rtinK | sure :) | 20:40 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, any extra preferences for the selected route color ? | 20:41 |
| M4rtinK | & start/destination colors ? :) | 20:41 |
| fferner | not yet, but yes for both ;-) | 20:41 |
| M4rtinK | I'm thinking about using the same route "theme" as in the GTK GUI | 20:42 |
| fferner | as I'll be AFK for a bit soon, which bits that we've discussed would like to see implemented before you'd consider a pull request? | 20:42 |
| fferner | certainly trigger route on changed start point. | 20:43 |
| M4rtinK | I think basically just triggering the route on start change | 20:43 |
| M4rtinK | yep | 20:43 |
| fferner | cool, I'll look into this ASAP and also make sure it applies cleanly to your master branch at the point I send the pull request... | 20:44 |
| M4rtinK | and I'm willing to do the rest for the initial release (menu triggering & "end" button) | 20:44 |
| M4rtinK | thanks! :) | 20:44 |
| fferner | looking forward to another feature I contributed to ;-) | 20:45 |
| M4rtinK | fferner: me too! :) | 20:45 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, any objections if I change the route color scheme like this: http://wiki.maemo.org/images/thumb/6/63/ModRana_overlay.png/480px-ModRana_overlay.png | 20:45 |
| fferner | no objections | 20:46 |
| M4rtinK | It has been selected for good contrast on most ma layers (most routes are not blue) and I have not got any negative feedback for it so far | 20:46 |
| fferner | I had not spent much time on selecting any color scheme, just picked one to see if I could make it work... | 20:46 |
| M4rtinK | OK :) | 20:46 |
| M4rtinK | fferner: asking just in case :) | 20:47 |
| fferner | :-) | 20:47 |
| M4rtinK | I'm no cartographer or a designer, so just in case there was some special considerations behind the choice :) | 20:47 |
| M4rtinK | *were | 20:48 |
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| fferner | I'm certainly not designer, cartographer or even GUI person normally... | 20:48 |
| M4rtinK | basically the same thing here :) | 20:49 |
| M4rtinK | just trying to manage to the best of my abilities :) | 20:50 |
| M4rtinK | situation permitting :) | 20:50 |
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