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| sandsmark | https://together.jolla.com/question/7449/bug-media-player-cant-find-music-on-re-boot/ gaaaaaah | 01:41 |
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| sandsmark | tracker... | 01:41 |
| sandsmark | beidl: I'll read over it tomorrow, I should sleep now :) | 01:41 |
| sandsmark | hmm, maybe tracker is launched before the sd card is mounted | 01:44 |
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| phaeron | sandsmark: that's a very old thread | 01:49 |
| sandsmark | phaeron: still an issue, look at the comments | 01:49 |
| phaeron | sandsmark: and the sdcard is mounted only after tracker starts | 01:49 |
| phaeron | sandsmark: some of those people have a different problem ( the gsettings ) | 01:49 |
| sandsmark | phaeron: they still have issues after the default changed | 01:49 |
| phaeron | if you follow the dates most people have it fixed after doing the gsettings | 01:51 |
| sandsmark | it seems like one or two people got it fixed after changing it? | 01:52 |
| sandsmark | anywho, maybe I have a different issue | 01:53 |
| sandsmark | tracker seems to know that my music files are files (it has the basic metadata like size), just not any of the content | 01:53 |
| sandsmark | there's a lot of similar issues, btw, if you search, some of them are pretty recent | 01:54 |
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| sandsmark | this is a file stored on internal memory: http://pastie.org/pastes/9768963/text?key=v6ngphcsdpsahw3yrfug | 01:59 |
| sandsmark | this is on the SD card: http://pastie.org/pastes/9768964/text?key=cmzk5di9rpjydfwvufr97q | 01:59 |
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| m4g0g | hello | 06:06 |
| m4g0g | Why does Text element have so awful rich text parser? | 06:06 |
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| Nicd- | m4g0g: ask the Qt developers? | 06:48 |
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| m4g0g | Nicd-: good point~! | 07:05 |
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| lpotter | m4g0g: patches welcome :) | 07:16 |
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| soreau | :) | 07:17 |
| * soreau glances around a bit for unwanted jolla hardware | 07:20 | |
| * soreau wonders why jolla isn't one of America's Most Wanted | 07:22 | |
| meklu | too little relevance :> | 07:22 |
| * soreau suddenly remembers that Nokia company thingy | 07:22 | |
| soreau | They sure sailed a fail whale | 07:23 |
| * soreau *shrugs* What can you do but roll your own and wait for them to Want it? ;) | 07:24 | |
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| soreau | or realize the hard facts of truth and ignore them like they always do, whichever | 07:25 |
| soreau | Are there any jolla emulators? *googles* | 07:26 |
| tbr | soreau: yes, there is a vbox image | 07:27 |
| soreau | tbr: shweet, thanks | 07:27 |
| tbr | soreau: comes as part of the SDK, but it comes without all the apps | 07:27 |
| soreau | hm, ok | 07:27 |
| tbr | you can compile and install apps of course, many apps are open source | 07:28 |
| meklu | not quite as fun to play with, didn't manage to install my daemon thing in the VM but only on the actual device | 07:28 |
| meklu | then again I used a different deployment method | 07:29 |
| meklu | RPM on the device, some magical copying on the VM | 07:29 |
| meklu | which I couldn't figure out how to include that binary in | 07:29 |
| m4g0g | Text element removes empty lines from text. Is it a way to fix this? | 07:29 |
| m4g0g | Is there* | 07:29 |
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| meklu | hmm, maybe play around with the wrapping? | 07:30 |
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| soreau | tbr: Is the toolchain basically the traditional linux glibc gcc etc? | 07:39 |
| tbr | soreau: correct, comes in a second VM with the SDK | 07:40 |
| soreau | cool | 07:40 |
| soreau | tbr: Thanks for the tips | 07:40 |
| tbr | np | 07:40 |
| tbr | there's also build.merproject.org | 07:40 |
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| soreau | oh goodness, Mir and Mer. Which came first, the chicken or the egg? | 07:43 |
| Stskeeps | Mer came first :P | 07:43 |
| Stskeeps | and no Mir involved. Wayland. | 07:43 |
| Nicd- | soreau: Mir has nothing to do with Mer | 07:44 |
| soreau | Nicd-: I know, it's just the typical confusingly named FOSS project scheme | 07:44 |
| soreau | Stskeeps: I know :) | 07:45 |
| * soreau guesses some of his wayland contributions might be running on jolla | 07:45 | |
| Stskeeps | probably, if merged in 1.3.0 | 07:46 |
| soreau | (whenever that happened) | 07:49 |
| * soreau doesn't understand why ohloh/blackduck is so slow | 07:51 | |
| stephg | morning chaps and chapesses | 07:51 |
| soreau | maybe the world is still getting ddos'd :P | 07:51 |
| soreau | My work was mostly 2012 and beginning of 2013 | 07:52 |
| meklu | october 2013 apparently | 07:52 |
| meklu | was when 1.3.0 was released | 07:52 |
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| soreau | but also primarily focused on weston | 07:53 |
| soreau | Does this link work for anyone else? https://www.openhub.net/p/wayland/contributors?sort=latest_commit&time_span=48+months | 07:54 |
| * soreau can't seem to get it to load | 07:54 | |
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| stephg | soreau: it's slow | 07:54 |
| meklu | seems to take ages | 07:54 |
| soreau | but works? | 07:54 |
| stephg | not yet | 07:54 |
| meklu | not sure yet | 07:55 |
| soreau | same here | 07:55 |
| soreau | there it goes | 07:55 |
| meklu | well, now it's loaded | 07:55 |
| * soreau waits for the oreau filter :P | 07:55 | |
| stephg | ditto | 07:55 |
| soreau | https://www.openhub.net/p/wayland/contributors?sort=latest_commit&time_span=48+months | 07:56 |
| soreau | there | 07:56 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | morning | 07:57 |
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| soreau | morning Sfiet_Konstantin | 07:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: does the Jolla kernel have SELinux enabled ? | 07:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | morning soreau | 07:57 |
| soreau | please say no SELinux :P | 07:57 |
| tbr | Sfiet_Konstantin: don't think so | 07:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | soreau: I'm trying to see how to have a privacy-enabled SailfishOS | 07:57 |
| soreau | meh | 07:58 |
| soreau | hack it | 07:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | SELinux is in my checklist, that's all | 07:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | privacy != not-hackable | 07:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and hacker-friendly privacy enabled device is hard | 07:58 |
| soreau | to your level of standard 'privacy-enabled' | 07:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ah | 07:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yeah | 07:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | what I'm trying to do | 07:58 |
| soreau | security is mostly a waste of time | 07:58 |
| * soreau hides | 07:58 | |
| Stskeeps | Sfiet_Konstantin: talk to special | 07:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but these LXC / cgroups / namespaces things won't do it | 07:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: ok :) | 07:59 |
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| pp_ | "random app can't access my home porn" is perfectly valid | 07:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: isn't Jonni responsible of this too ? | 07:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | pp_: same but replace home porn by contacts info | 07:59 |
| soreau | pp_: heh | 08:00 |
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| stephg | Sfiet_Konstantin: btw I have a package list of sorts in this format atm: http://pastie.org/9769380 | 08:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | meh, SELinux and Smack are so overkill :( | 08:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | stephg: haha, nice :) | 08:01 |
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| stephg | merging the URLs in is trivial, matching to actual RPMs on-device is tedious ;) | 08:01 |
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| stephg | SK_work: fwiw the whole list: https://paste.kde.org/pkgpo3pbc | 08:14 |
| * tbr idly ponders if Mer should start using XSPF | 08:17 | |
| tbr | IIRC OBS supports it | 08:17 |
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| netvandal | morning all | 08:22 |
| lainwir3d | morning | 08:23 |
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| netvandal | I have a question : I can successfully call a c++ method from qml, but how can i keep the method running while user navigate out of the page that started the method? I need to initialize a download in the current page and keep it going even if user keep navigating thought the app.. | 08:25 |
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| soreau | The magnifying slider implementation is pretty neat https://www.openhub.net/p/wayland/contributors/1325426907642891 | 08:34 |
| soreau | but only seems to work in chrome-based browsers.. in ff, it doesn't here | 08:35 |
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| SK_work | netvandal: you use a signal & slot | 08:49 |
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| netvandal | SK_work: is what i'm using, but my method exit when i change app page | 09:08 |
| SK_work | netvandal: did you created the object in the page ? | 09:08 |
| SK_work | if so, consider creating in main page | 09:09 |
| netvandal | SK_work: i'll check | 09:10 |
| netvandal | thank you | 09:12 |
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| coderus | m4g0g: :D | 09:47 |
| coderus | m4g0g: text.replace(/\n/g, "<br/>") should work imo | 09:49 |
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| Wnt | Sfiet_Konstantin: there is a good amount of security info about Sailfish OS in this presentation: http://matasano.com/research/eko2014_jolla.pdf | 09:53 |
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| Wnt | see page 25 for example | 09:54 |
| zGrr | moin :) | 09:54 |
| SK_work | Sfiet_Konstantin has been replaced by SK_work | 09:58 |
| SK_work | Wnt: I have read this | 10:00 |
| SK_work | what I'm currently trying to do is more about isolation | 10:00 |
| SK_work | about harmful apps stays contained | 10:00 |
| SK_work | as it is close to impossible for any QA to check if the app don't dial a C&C server somewhere between china and russia | 10:00 |
| Wnt | SK_work: then you should only run binaries you have compiled yourself ;) | 10:01 |
| SK_work | Wnt: SailfishOS claims to protect privacy | 10:04 |
| SK_work | but it do not | 10:04 |
| SK_work | and some people won't just compile their own binaries | 10:04 |
| SK_work | so, basically, I want to work a bit in this domain | 10:05 |
| phdeswer | SK_work: what is a C&C server? | 10:05 |
| Armadillo | command and control | 10:06 |
| Nicd- | command & conquer ;) | 10:06 |
| SK_work | it's not a command & conquers server | 10:06 |
| SK_work | even if I would prefer :) | 10:06 |
| Armadillo | a server to orchestrate for example DDoS attacks | 10:06 |
| SK_work | it can be a C&C or anything else, like a server that stores personnal data in order to send spam etc | 10:06 |
| zutto | SK_work: how do you intend to make sure that the application doesnt create any connections to locations you dont want it to? | 10:07 |
| zutto | validate every IP it connects with the user? | 10:07 |
| SK_work | zutto: well, that would be complicated, but it is more about controlling the data the user have access to | 10:07 |
| SK_work | at least don't allow personnal data to get out | 10:07 |
| phdeswer | Nicd-: same thing came up in my mind :) | 10:07 |
| zutto | you can probably do that with some silly chroot hacks | 10:08 |
| phdeswer | SK_work: so the dialing is not actually dialing (phone) but using data connections right? | 10:08 |
| SK_work | yes | 10:09 |
| zutto | metaphorical dialing :P | 10:09 |
| Armadillo | well the app could also dial, like that malware which forwards expensive calls to foreign countries | 10:09 |
| zutto | i'm not sure how jolla deals with users and usergroups, but you could limit access to every app with those too | 10:09 |
| zutto | Armadillo: yeah, like those tsunami donation lines that charge $2k per call :P | 10:10 |
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| phdeswer | Well there are several basic options you could start with. Like blocking outgoing/incoming ports with iptables. Would be nice to have a firewalling app that checks outgoing connections from apps and asks for permission. | 10:10 |
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| Armadillo | is this possible an a per app basis? | 10:11 |
| Armadillo | s/basis/base/ | 10:11 |
| zutto | Armadillo: if you write a launcher, you can do some ld preload hacks | 10:11 |
| zutto | with launcher i mean something that just launches the applications | 10:11 |
| zutto | but verifying each connection is tedious task for the user | 10:12 |
| Armadillo | hm | 10:12 |
| zutto | and how would the user even verify all the connections | 10:12 |
| Armadillo | the problem is, if there's one app, for exmaple Friends, which connects via port 80 to external sources and port 80 is allowed this could be used by the malware, too | 10:12 |
| zutto | even if you know the IP, its not always easy to figure out where it connects.. if its plain ol' rest api for example, it might go trought cloudflare or some other similar service | 10:13 |
| Armadillo | sure you could limit it to some facebook urls, but as iptables work on IP base, this would cause some troubles if facebook changes some things | 10:13 |
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| zutto | iptables is good for blocking, not for giving user option to prevent something | 10:14 |
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| zutto | thats why the ld_preload hack would be great, you can set up passtrought for every socket opened by the application that can filter anything.. and add iptables entries to services the user doesnt want it to connect :P | 10:14 |
| Armadillo | hm | 10:15 |
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| zutto | many ways to harden | 10:17 |
| zutto | but without sacrificing the user friendlyness, its not that great idea | 10:17 |
| daitheflu | sounds like you'd need some API ACL here | 10:20 |
| daitheflu | SK_work ^ | 10:21 |
| SK_work | API ACL ? | 10:23 |
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| zutto | access control list | 10:24 |
| daitheflu | SK_work: I'll try to explain clearly :) | 10:26 |
| meklu | LD_PRELOAD hacks aren't exactly the greatest idea | 10:26 |
| meklu | they require the application to use your standard libdl :P | 10:26 |
| daitheflu | when an app uses some API calls (i.e. dialer, access to contact list, ...), this should be detected | 10:27 |
| meklu | and not load the symbols at run-time via dlsym/dlopen | 10:27 |
| daitheflu | the system should then ask the user if it's OK | 10:27 |
| meklu | (those are a pain to override) | 10:27 |
| zutto | meklu: not a greatest idea, but its one to look into :P | 10:28 |
| meklu | if someone wants to do malicious things, you should not rely on a somewhat random environment variable to work :P | 10:28 |
| meklu | yeah | 10:28 |
| zutto | probably the best would be proper user&usergroup control and chroot environments | 10:28 |
| daitheflu | if it is, we could add an entry in the ACL for this API call that says : this app is authorized to use this | 10:28 |
| daitheflu | user should be able to also revoke a granted access (I don't want this app to be able to do this anymore) | 10:30 |
| SK_work | zutto: how would you do this ? | 10:31 |
| meklu | the chroot stuff would be pretty painful | 10:32 |
| meklu | and you probably want some applications to be able to access your media | 10:32 |
| meklu | sideloading those via e.g. some horrid base64 dbus mess doesn't sound very inviting | 10:32 |
| SK_work | I do wonder how polkit could behave here | 10:33 |
| SK_work | Tizen is using smack | 10:34 |
| SK_work | but just like SELinux, it looks horribly painful to use | 10:34 |
| SK_work | how is BB10 securing stuff ? | 10:34 |
| daitheflu | SK_work: if you're interested by the iOS approach : https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/Security/Conceptual/AppSandboxDesignGuide/AboutAppSandbox/AboutAppSandbox.html | 10:35 |
| daitheflu | I don't know what's doable or not with a Linux kernel, so I'm going to shut up from now on :) | 10:37 |
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| Nokius1 | tbr: are you busy atm or can I bother you with a question? | 10:59 |
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| tbr | Nokius1: just ask | 11:02 |
| Nokius1 | :) okay | 11:02 |
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| Nokius1 | I branched libgato on obs and salmeta and set the build environment (repo to 1.1.0.38) but how I made a repo which includes the libgato to build salmeta. is it possible via the WebUI? | 11:06 |
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| Nokius1 | okay self answerd have to use the full project path | 11:07 |
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| Nokius1 | :( | 11:07 |
| tbr | :) | 11:07 |
| tbr | you need to edit one of the meta files through web ui | 11:08 |
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| Nokius1 | tbr: so looks like the obs branch is in correct got a salmeta build https://build.merproject.org/package/show/home:Nokius:branches:home:javispedro:salmeta/salmeta | 11:11 |
| tbr | :) | 11:11 |
| meklu | what is this, OS 9? | 11:12 |
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| meklu | so many colons in that uri | 11:12 |
| tbr | that's Update 9 | 11:13 |
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| tbr | Nokius1: now install it and try it out | 11:13 |
| meklu | *gasp* | 11:14 |
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| Nokius1 | tbr: mh wondering where I can grep it repo….. is not there :-/ | 11:19 |
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| Nc_ | Probably a stupid question, but is there a way to get multi-finger input in QML on Jolla?? | 11:21 |
| tbr | Nokius1: publishing is disabled, turn it on | 11:21 |
| tbr | Nokius1: in both projects | 11:21 |
| Nokius1 | :D | 11:21 |
| tbr | Nokius1: https://build.merproject.org/package/repositories/home:Nokius:branches:home:javispedro:salmeta/salmeta - oben rechts | 11:21 |
| Nokius1 | Thanks! | 11:22 |
| tbr | lbt: is that some weird default on newer OBS to disable publishing on a branched project? | 11:22 |
| lbt | tbr: dunno - I would just branch a project and see :) | 11:23 |
| tbr | lbt: It happens to me every time and now it happened to Nokius1, hence me asking | 11:23 |
| * lbt is tending to "yes" then | 11:24 | |
| tbr | ok, then the question is: does this make sense for us and should it be changed? | 11:24 |
| lbt | I've never seen any options relating to it | 11:24 |
| lbt | it doesn't (IMHO) make sense though | 11:24 |
| tbr | *nod* | 11:24 |
| Nokius1 | tbr: so salmeta shows a UI | 11:25 |
| Nokius1 | watch is charging | 11:25 |
| lbt | tbr: https://build.merproject.org/project/meta/home:lbt:branches:home:javispedro:salmeta | 11:26 |
| lbt | so yes, looks like publish is disabled on a branch | 11:26 |
| tbr | lbt: ok, should we poke #opensuse-buildservice about it then? | 11:27 |
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| * tbr just did | 11:29 | |
| lbt | :) | 11:29 |
| lbt | I'd check the change logs too | 11:29 |
| tbr | you'll know better where to find those. I'm just a (l)user of OBS nowadays. My instances are long gone. | 11:29 |
| kengu | where did the instances go | 11:30 |
| tbr | /dev/null | 11:32 |
| meklu | WOM | 11:32 |
| Nokius1 | tbr: watch freezy will have launch first and will try my luck than | 11:32 |
| meklu | :) | 11:32 |
| tbr | one was pretty cool, it was able to build for Maemo and Meego | 11:32 |
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| Nokius | tbr it works :) | 11:57 |
| Nokius | tbr: still not caring if the watch is parred with the Phone :D | 11:58 |
| tbr | :) | 11:58 |
| tbr | Nokius: there is no reason to pair it specifically on a BT-LE level. | 11:59 |
| Nokius | okay | 11:59 |
| tbr | Nokius: IIRC the security feature in this case is that once paired the watch will only talk to the same mac address. (Yes it doesn't get you encryption or cryptographic authentication, not sure if those are in BT-LE anyway) | 12:00 |
| Nokius | oh the Cover function is cool :D | 12:02 |
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| Nokius | hm incamming call is not shown on the watch | 12:05 |
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| xavinux | good day people | 12:40 |
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| netvandal | guys, i found a small bug in the silica docs, where i should report? | 13:36 |
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| lbt | netvandal: t.j.c. | 13:43 |
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| netvandal | lbt: ok | 13:46 |
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| SK_work | netvandal: send in ML ? | 13:49 |
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| flux | is the source of any Sailfish XBMC remote controller available? Both the current ones have issues/lack of features :/ | 15:55 |
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| flux | ruori seems more promising, but I don't think it's available | 15:55 |
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| SK_work | ping Jonni + special about "security" on SailfishOS (per extension, on Nemo etc) | 16:45 |
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| beidl | SK_work: count me in | 16:46 |
| SK_work | beidl: just trying to gather info on what has been done Jolla-side | 16:47 |
| SK_work | if there have been prospection etc. | 16:47 |
| beidl | ok, great | 16:47 |
| SK_work | I read about LXC / namespaces / cgroups / SMACK and found out that everything is a mess, and nothing really suits us | 16:48 |
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| pp_ | SK_work: looking at various githubs they're at least tightening up the d-bus stuf | 17:42 |
| pp_ | f | 17:42 |
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| SK_work | pp_: dbus stuff ? | 17:43 |
| SK_work | aren't they just making it run faster and concurrently ? | 17:44 |
| pp_ | I saw some priviledge related patches, didn't look at details tho | 17:44 |
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| M4rtinK_jolla_ | kdbus FTW ! ;-) | 17:46 |
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| M4rtinK_jolla_ | well, not gonna happen with the outdated Android kernels :) | 17:46 |
| SK_work | I do wonder what kdbus will bring ? | 17:47 |
| SK_work | more overhead on kernel side ? | 17:47 |
| M4rtinK_jolla_ | should be less overhead actually | 17:48 |
| M4rtinK_jolla_ | due to less context switching per message | 17:48 |
| SK_work | ah | 17:48 |
| SK_work | interesting | 17:49 |
| M4rtinK_jolla_ | also zero copy data transfers and some security improvements | 17:49 |
| SK_work | but I would say: DBus in kernel, WTF, it is just like systemd, contrary to unix principle bla bla bla #troll | 17:49 |
| SK_work | ha ! that's interesting | 17:49 |
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| M4rtinK_jolla_ | one of the aims is to use the zerocopy transfers for sandboxing | 17:50 |
| M4rtinK_jolla_ | as it makes it possible to pass GBs of data over DBUS easilly | 17:51 |
| M4rtinK_jolla_ | think like running photoshop or a steam game in a sandbox | 17:51 |
| M4rtinK_jolla_ | and sending all data only over DBUS gateways | 17:52 |
| M4rtinK_jolla_ | etc :) | 17:52 |
| M4rtinK_jolla_ | quite interesting ideas actually :) | 17:52 |
| SK_work | sandbox | 17:52 |
| SK_work | interesting | 17:53 |
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| SK_work | basically dbus is like a sort of input method | 17:53 |
| SK_work | or communication method | 17:53 |
| SK_work | hum | 17:53 |
| SK_work | cool | 17:53 |
| beidl | IPC | 17:53 |
| SK_work | ipc | 17:54 |
| SK_work | yeah | 17:54 |
| SK_work | isc (inter sandbox communication) | 17:54 |
| beidl | I wonder if kdbus could be able to compile on the Jolla 3.4 kernel | 17:55 |
| SK_work | I would like to compile SELinux support too | 17:55 |
| beidl | need to check how the kernel API has changed from when kdbus was started | 17:55 |
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| special | SK_work: beidl: I have just recently started researching security frameworks | 18:13 |
| special | (for sailfish) | 18:13 |
| special | more details to come, but at the moment the most significant part of that is researching and prototyping use of selinux | 18:14 |
| beidl | special: SELinux <3 | 18:14 |
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| SK_work | special: mind sharing your research with us at some point ? | 18:15 |
| SK_work | (blog psot ?) | 18:15 |
| special | my intent is to end up with an implementation plan, and make that public | 18:15 |
| special | at the moment it's closer to me playing around with selinux | 18:16 |
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| beidl | in case someone doesn't know about selinux, here's probably the best resource about it on the planet: https://people.redhat.com/duffy/selinux/selinux-coloring-book_A4-Stapled.pdf | 18:17 |
| special | hah, yes. I had forgotten about that | 18:17 |
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| beidl | I wonder though how setting up application-specific selinux-policed filesystem structure (/usr/share/, ~/.config/) is going to get handled, post-install | 18:19 |
| beidl | s/is/might/ | 18:19 |
| special | my theory is that we should approach it incrementally; starting with getting selinux working and using it for system-level and service-level things | 18:19 |
| special | and work from there to figure out how to wrap applications | 18:19 |
| beidl | makes sense, bottom-up | 18:19 |
| special | longer term, I am strongly in favor of sandboxes and namespacing for applications | 18:20 |
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| special | this may be controversial :> | 18:21 |
| sandsmark | is it allowed to link against the maliit stuff, so that we can ship a keyboard in harbour? | 18:21 |
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| beidl | special: well, it certainly seems needed in a multi-user world where installing one app on one user doesn't cause it to show up on another user | 18:22 |
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| djselbeck | Does anybody knows if it is ok for an application to read $HOME/.config/user-dirs.dirs and $HOME/.cache/media-art if I want to submit it to harbor? | 18:43 |
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| coderus | djselbeck: you can read anything you need | 18:59 |
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| djselbeck | coderus: perfect, thanks. Then I think my application might after all be compliant to harbor (after including .so files) | 19:00 |
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| ulvus | hejsa | 21:05 |
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| ulvus | hi | 21:06 |
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| * lbt offers a belated +1 to special's selinux proposal | 21:50 | |
| special | I'm slightly surprised | 21:50 |
| special | I expected more people to fight on selinux; too complex, etc | 21:50 |
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| Aard | special: oh, we didn't start yet :p | 21:53 |
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| special | I'm starting to see how much of a pain it will be ;) | 21:53 |
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| gogeta | special, selinux is not complex if rules are corectly and sanelly written | 21:54 |
| special | I agree. | 21:54 |
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| beidl | that's where the coloring book kicks in, for those who do not yet completely get the idea | 21:56 |
| gogeta | ahahah | 21:56 |
| gogeta | i've printed that | 21:57 |
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| gogeta | and once a customers yelling agaistn selinux | 21:57 |
| gogeta | I show it to them | 21:57 |
| gogeta | beidl, but sometimes are 3rd parties software | 21:57 |
| gogeta | like oracle and SAP | 21:57 |
| gogeta | to create headcaches | 21:57 |
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| beidl | I'd say of course since rhel and sailfishos are two different beasts :) | 21:58 |
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| gogeta | ubuntu use apparmor differe approach | 21:59 |
| gogeta | *different | 21:59 |
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| beidl | yup, and that's only working for security on the filesystem level | 22:00 |
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| mhall119 | apparmor can mediate dbus calls too, IIRC | 22:08 |
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| sandsmark | pvuorela: yo, are you online? | 22:16 |
| beidl | mhall119: well, yes, and systemd also has some integration with apparmor. but it inherently doesn't handle process contexts and types the way SELinux does | 22:16 |
| sandsmark | pvuorela: we're trying to write a maliit keyboard, using c++ and qml, but our QQuickView is always positioned at (0,0) on screen | 22:16 |
| sandsmark | even when setting proper coordinates with setGeometry() | 22:17 |
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| coderus | em. why not to use transparent fullscreen and release events if not on keyboard? | 22:21 |
| swift110_ | hmm | 22:26 |
| sandsmark | coderus: we're trying that as well | 22:26 |
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| sandsmark | pvuorela: never mind, got it to work :D | 22:45 |
| sandsmark | me and saidinesh5 (well, mostly him) just got his keyboard working on sailfishos: http://home.samfundet.no/~sandsmark/20141209_234247.mp4 :D | 22:51 |
| saidinesh5 | :D | 22:51 |
| coderus | omg, its vertical video? | 22:51 |
| sandsmark | yeah! | 22:52 |
| coderus | :D | 22:52 |
| coderus | thumbs up for swype-like keyboard :) | 22:52 |
| sandsmark | blame the phone form factor | 22:52 |
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| coderus | dont blame phone | 22:54 |
| satmd | blame ergonomics and human body architecture? | 22:55 |
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| coderus | blame cameraman :D | 22:55 |
| coderus | it always hurt eyes to watch vertical videos | 22:55 |
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| coderus | i dont want to rotate my laptop :D | 22:56 |
| sandsmark | haha | 22:56 |
| sandsmark | it was enough of a PITA to just record that video without losing focus | 22:56 |
| coderus | 720p is enough even if you recording some vertical stuff | 22:56 |
| coderus | :D | 22:56 |
| coderus | loosing focus | 22:56 |
| coderus | sad story for end 2014 | 22:57 |
| coderus | in 2008 it was ok to record videos with no focus :) | 22:57 |
| sandsmark | hfhf | 22:57 |
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| phaeron | sandsmark: saidinesh5 cool stuff | 23:02 |
| saidinesh5 | :D | 23:03 |
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| phaeron | is it based on maliit ? | 23:04 |
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| saidinesh5 | yup | 23:05 |
| saidinesh5 | just got the maliit plugin to work | 23:05 |
| phaeron | when can we expect a PR :) | 23:05 |
| saidinesh5 | heh im hopinng an alpha version would be by the end of this month | 23:05 |
| phaeron | good luck :) | 23:05 |
| saidinesh5 | thanks! :) | 23:06 |
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| ulvus | hi again | 23:15 |
| ulvus | coderus, can 10 euro pay for 2 hour of sailfish coding from you, to the sailfish os community. have seen you igg.me and profiles | 23:17 |
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