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| SaberAltria | Question about the Video { } in QtMultimedia 5.0 | 02:55 |
| SaberAltria | I wonder if it is possible to play the online video without full buffer with Video { } | 02:56 |
| SaberAltria | I did many tests and found that it only starts to play when the bufferProgress === 1 | 02:57 |
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| niktrix_ | when will jolla phone get sailfishos update ? | 08:18 |
| cryorat | niktrix_, sooooon :D | 08:19 |
| cryorat | when the 1.10 considered stable | 08:19 |
| niktrix_ | currently am using 1.0.8.21 | 08:19 |
| niktrix_ | is there any update after that | 08:19 |
| cryorat | so am i | 08:19 |
| cryorat | yes | 08:19 |
| cryorat | 1.10 is out for user testing | 08:20 |
| Armadillo | at least 2.0 in may we hope :) | 08:20 |
| cryorat | look up in the askbot page | 08:20 |
| niktrix_ | and what abot the 2.0, will phone will get that update in future | 08:20 |
| cryorat | together.jolla.com | 08:20 |
| Armadillo | I'm pretty sure it will get this update | 08:20 |
| cryorat | probably yes | 08:20 |
| cryorat | jolla 2 will be announced next year | 08:21 |
| niktrix_ | am using sailfish for about 2 months | 08:21 |
| cryorat | but when will they release jolla2 is a mistery | 08:21 |
| niktrix_ | but i didnt found anything intresting | 08:21 |
| Armadillo | what should be interesting? | 08:21 |
| niktrix_ | Is there anything unlike than android | 08:21 |
| cryorat | iOS :DDDD | 08:22 |
| Armadillo | nearly everything Oo | 08:22 |
| niktrix_ | most of the taxi apps doesnt work as those app uses google services for map | 08:22 |
| Nicd- | the phone will get SFOS 2.0, the same OS will run on the phone and the tablet | 08:22 |
| niktrix_ | i have to borrow friends mobile for booking taxi | 08:23 |
| cryorat | niktrix_, use google services then | 08:23 |
| niktrix_ | neither doies kik works | 08:23 |
| cryorat | I dont need it now but im considering it because ingress whining about it | 08:23 |
| cryorat | use telegram | 08:23 |
| cryorat | works like a charm | 08:24 |
| niktrix_ | google service there is no easy way to install it | 08:24 |
| niktrix_ | there is a long process to do which i dont want to do | 08:24 |
| Nicd- | well, then you have to stop complaining :P | 08:25 |
| Armadillo | +1 | 08:25 |
| Nicd- | there isn't anything jolla can do about it | 08:25 |
| niktrix_ | am not complaining | 08:25 |
| niktrix_ | am saying may be there is solution for that thats it | 08:26 |
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| Armadillo | there isn't | 08:26 |
| Armadillo | instead of the ones mentioned above | 08:26 |
| Nicd- | the only solution is to install google play services | 08:26 |
| niktrix_ | is it ok if i ask few more question, just am not complaining | 08:27 |
| Nicd- | sure you can ask | 08:27 |
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| niktrix_ | which browser you use | 08:28 |
| niktrix_ | for jolla | 08:28 |
| Nicd- | the native browser or android opera | 08:28 |
| Armadillo | native one | 08:28 |
| niktrix_ | and which native application you use frequently | 08:28 |
| Armadillo | Browser, IRC, Mail, TaskList | 08:30 |
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| niktrix_ | thanks Nicd- Armadillo cryorat | 08:30 |
| Nicd- | phone, messaging, clock, calendar, sailtime, nysset, camera, flashlight, file browser, people, carbudget, lighthouse, weecrapp, screenshot... | 08:30 |
| niktrix_ | where will i get weecrapp | 08:31 |
| niktrix_ | its not in jollastore | 08:32 |
| niktrix_ | and warehouse | 08:32 |
| Nicd- | it's not released yet, it's my app. :) and it's only of use if you run weechat | 08:32 |
| niktrix_ | ooh | 08:32 |
| niktrix_ | you are also making apps for sailfish | 08:33 |
| niktrix_ | have you released any in store | 08:33 |
| Armadillo | well this is the developer channel ;) | 08:33 |
| Armadillo | many of us are releasing apps on the store :) | 08:33 |
| Armadillo | just released tasklist 1.1 :P | 08:34 |
| Nicd- | niktrix_: sailtime is my app too | 08:34 |
| niktrix_ | Nicd-, am using sailtime from the 1st day i bout phone | 08:35 |
| Nicd- | \o/ | 08:35 |
| niktrix_ | Nicd-, am using sailtime from the 1st day i bought phone | 08:35 |
| Nicd- | I'm glad if you found it useful | 08:36 |
| niktrix_ | yes it is :) | 08:36 |
| niktrix_ | do you guys make apps for other os too ? | 08:37 |
| Nicd- | I haven't, I mostly do web stuff | 08:37 |
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| Armadillo | Sailfish is my first time to develop mobile apps, too | 08:38 |
| niktrix_ | Armadillo, installed tasklist, not used much. but i like that lock oriientation option, all apps should have this option | 08:38 |
| Nicd- | niktrix_: you can also temporarily lock orientation by holding your finger on the screen when turning the phone | 08:39 |
| Armadillo | :) | 08:39 |
| niktrix_ | Nicd-, nice it works | 08:40 |
| h0wser | i just found out about sailfish, where can i find information about installing it to my phone? | 08:41 |
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| niktrix_ | h0wser, which phone ? | 08:41 |
| h0wser | galaxy s3 | 08:41 |
| niktrix_ | try looking in xda forums | 08:42 |
| h0wser | ok thanks | 08:42 |
| Armadillo | or have a look at #sailfishos-porters | 08:42 |
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| niktrix_ | has anyone bought tablet ? | 08:44 |
| Armadillo | I'm still struggeling | 08:45 |
| Nicd- | niktrix_: well, about 4000 people already apparently :) | 08:46 |
| Nicd- | I'm not going to buy it but I wish them the best | 08:47 |
| niktrix_ | the video looks promising | 08:47 |
| niktrix_ | do you have toh ? | 08:49 |
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| Nicd- | I have 3 (red "the first one", black and white) | 08:50 |
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| Nicd- | I also preordered the keyboard (TOHKBD) | 08:50 |
| niktrix_ | toh are not available in india, TOHKBD i found it very costly | 08:51 |
| niktrix_ | am looking to get a 3d print of toh any tips for that | 08:51 |
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| Armadillo | costly is relative if there's no alternative available | 08:52 |
| niktrix_ | Armadillo, overpiced :) | 08:54 |
| Armadillo | well it is a small series | 08:54 |
| Armadillo | price drops if you can sell thousands of pieces | 08:54 |
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| Armadillo | but you can also get the source of tohkbd to do it on your own and maybe cheaper way ;) | 08:55 |
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| dirkvl_j_ | sources will be open after camaign is done and all designs are final | 09:00 |
| dirkvl_j_ | but i wish you the best of luck with building it cheaper ;) | 09:01 |
| Armadillo | hehe | 09:02 |
| jwalck | dirkvl_j_: given that you generally dont charge yourself for your own time, cheaper when you make it yourself is quite easy:) | 09:04 |
| jwalck | making it for someone else however... | 09:04 |
| Armadillo | additionally, if it wouldn't be "that expensive" we wouldn't have any tohkbd on the horizon today | 09:05 |
| Armadillo | so the prize doesn't matter so much :) | 09:06 |
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| h0wser | sailfish isn't based on android is it? | 09:08 |
| Armadillo | it is based on Mer | 09:09 |
| SK_work | h0wser: it can use Android hardware adaptation layer, via libhybris | 09:09 |
| SK_work | Sailfish also uses an Android layer for Android apps compatibility | 09:09 |
| SK_work | but you are free not to use it | 09:09 |
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| h0wser | ok, so what is mer? | 09:11 |
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| h0wser | cant figure out what part mer plays from looking at the wiki | 09:12 |
| Armadillo | https://sailfishos.org/images/Sailfish_Architecture.png | 09:12 |
| Armadillo | http://merproject.org/ | 09:12 |
| jwalck | h0wser: and from a historic point, mer heralds from meego which in itself came from maemo and moblin | 09:13 |
| h0wser | ok, thanks alot | 09:13 |
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| SK_work | cybette: you there ? | 09:15 |
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| cybette | SK_work: what's up? | 09:22 |
| Armadillo | cybette I don't know what SK_work needs, but I recognized there's no next community meeting date on TJC | 09:23 |
| Armadillo | it's still november 4th | 09:23 |
| SK_work | Armadillo: thanks: cybette ^ | 09:23 |
| Armadillo | ah :D | 09:24 |
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| cybette | yes! thanks for the reminder, I have it on my todo list to udpate TJC and send email to mailing list, but the slush todo list overrode everything :P | 09:30 |
| SK_work | cybette: that's what I expected | 09:30 |
| SK_work | that's why I waited for slush + 1day to ping you :) | 09:31 |
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| cybette | SK_work: ok thanks :) aim to do that asap, although todo list keeps growing (slush is over but campaign is only getting started!) | 09:37 |
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| SK_work | cybette: indeed | 09:39 |
| SK_work | not tired to do +5$, add perk ? | 09:39 |
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| SaberAltria | Error: nothing provides libQt5MultimediaWidgets.so.5 needed by harbour-hktv-0.1-1.armv7hl | 09:41 |
| SaberAltria | How to solve this? | 09:41 |
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| SaberAltria | I have added this "QT += multimediawidgets" in .pro | 09:44 |
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| SK_work | hi SaberAltria ! | 09:46 |
| SK_work | are you targetting harbour ? | 09:46 |
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| SK_work | if no, you cannot use multimediawidgets | 09:46 |
| SK_work | if so, you cannot use multimediawidgets | 09:46 |
| Acce | or any widgets, afaik | 09:46 |
| Acce | qml, it is | 09:46 |
| SaberAltria | Ops... that means I have to find other alternatives ? | 09:47 |
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| Acce | What are you trying to do? show video or similar? | 09:48 |
| SaberAltria | I use the videoWidget in C++. if so, what else can I use which has similar function ? | 09:48 |
| SaberAltria | Yes I want to play video | 09:48 |
| SK_work | SaberAltria: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qml-qtmultimedia-video.html | 09:49 |
| SaberAltria | @SK_work I am afraid that the qml one is not enough for me... | 09:49 |
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| SaberAltria | I want to make a video player that can do online video streaming... but I found that the qml Video { } and MediaPlayer { } | 09:50 |
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| SaberAltria | can only play the video until the video is fully buffered ( bufferProgress === 1 ) | 09:51 |
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| SaberAltria | Is there a way to make this kind of thing ? | 09:53 |
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| Acce | it should be possible by using the corresponding c++ classes to implement a qml component which is capable of doing what you want.. but I'm not exactly sure how | 09:56 |
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| SK_work | SaberAltria: did you tried ? | 09:57 |
| SK_work | is that true that you need bufferprogress === 1 ? | 09:58 |
| SK_work | strange | 09:58 |
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| Acce | SK_work: it states in the MediaPlayer docs so | 09:59 |
| SK_work | SaberAltria: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qml-qtmultimedia-videooutput.html#source-prop | 09:59 |
| SK_work | write your source to provide this | 09:59 |
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| SaberAltria | SK_work: No, I mean I don't want the video only start to play until bufferProgress === 1 | 10:01 |
| SK_work | SaberAltria: if you write your video source, shouldn't this work ? | 10:02 |
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| SaberAltria | SK_work I am sorry that I don't understand " write your video source" mean | 10:03 |
| dr_gogeta86 | SK_work, imagine steam on jolla tablet | 10:03 |
| SK_work | dr_gogeta86: ? | 10:03 |
| SK_work | SaberAltria: let me check | 10:03 |
| dr_gogeta86 | is x86 and will be wayland support in the future | 10:03 |
| SaberAltria | Thz :D | 10:03 |
| SK_work | what are you planning to use from multimediawidgets to perform streaming ? | 10:03 |
| SaberAltria | just to show the video | 10:04 |
| * artemma was doing a small Qt-based iOS prototype on his dayjob lately. Can run on Android. I was thinking of making a Sailfish build too, but it's way tpp painful to make completely different project for Jolla. Such a pity there is no centralized care for making a template/process for apps to work both on Jolla and something else. In a cross-platform way, you know | 10:04 | |
| SaberAltria | I follow the example in Qt Docs | 10:04 |
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| SK_work | SaberAltria: which example ? | 10:05 |
| SaberAltria | I give you the link in a while | 10:06 |
| SK_work | artemma: I thought about wrapping Silica inside qtquickcontrols | 10:06 |
| SK_work | SaberAltria: can you resend ? | 10:06 |
| Acce | SK_work: didn't someone already start doing it? | 10:06 |
| SaberAltria | http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/videooverview.html#playing-video-in-c | 10:07 |
| SaberAltria | the first box | 10:07 |
| SaberAltria | Here's an example of using QVideoWidget: >>>> is the part I read | 10:07 |
| artemma | SK_work: IMHO the biggest problem with cross platform also-Sailfish apps is not controls, but stupid requirements for plugin naming (and a bit - reequirements for binary naming). At the moment you are simply unable to build for Sailfish if you use QML plugins and cannot access their source code | 10:08 |
| SK_work | haha | 10:08 |
| SK_work | indeed | 10:08 |
| artemma | a bit of a problem unless all your plugins are open source and even then you need to maintain | 10:09 |
| SK_work | artemma: can't you static link the plugins ? | 10:09 |
| artemma | funny thing is that these requirements actually check the wrong thing: they check your source code VS what happens at runtime | 10:09 |
| artemma | you can easily make your code conform to checks and by mistake still load plugins from jolla | 10:10 |
| artemma | 's main locations | 10:10 |
| artemma | in case of not allowed nemo plugins | 10:10 |
| artemma | SK_work: I don't think static linking can help. Plugins got to have a name: QML has to load them via harbour.yourapp.whatever so you must change the registration file at least. Many plugins additionally have asserts inside verifying the calling path | 10:11 |
| artemma | nemo plugins for example have a lot of it :) | 10:11 |
| SK_work | SaberAltria: ever tried to use QML ? | 10:12 |
| SK_work | I think (but not sure) that buffering means that there are frame being buffered | 10:12 |
| SK_work | not full video | 10:12 |
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| SaberAltria | I am not sure because I am using streaming video to test. I can never know the duration of a streaming video. Indeed the duration property in Qml is 0. But I tried to do some observation, I found that only the bufferProgress === 1, then the video started to play. I think this is quite annoying... | 10:15 |
| SK_work | SaberAltria: I wonder what's this bufferProgress | 10:16 |
| SK_work | buffer is usually some frames | 10:17 |
| SaberAltria | Yup, I have more to explain | 10:17 |
| SK_work | anyway ... | 10:17 |
| SK_work | I do'nt know how to do this easily | 10:17 |
| SK_work | but you might need to manage frames yourself | 10:17 |
| SK_work | or video buffering | 10:17 |
| SaberAltria | Yup, one key point is that, my streaming video is not really a "video". It is a playlist, the format is .m3u8 | 10:17 |
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| Acce | SaberAltria: here: https://github.com/tworaz/sailfish-ytplayer | 10:17 |
| Acce | it works without loading the whole video | 10:18 |
| Acce | it just loads the buffer full and then playback can happen | 10:18 |
| SaberAltria | Thz! I gonna take a look | 10:18 |
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| Acce | just install it and see how it works when you see some youtube vid | 10:18 |
| Acce | s/see/seek/ | 10:18 |
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| SK_work | SaberAltria: and ? | 10:19 |
| SaberAltria | the .m3u8 consists of 8 clips of video | 10:19 |
| SaberAltria | Once it started to do buffer and loading, it did all 8 clips and then started to play | 10:20 |
| SaberAltria | but not one by one | 10:20 |
| SaberAltria | In short, I hope the player and do buffer and playing at the same time, that is "simultaneous", but not linear | 10:21 |
| SK_work | SaberAltria: parse the m3u8 | 10:23 |
| SK_work | extract the vidfeo sources | 10:23 |
| SK_work | and play them independently | 10:24 |
| SaberAltria | Yes I tried this algorithm | 10:25 |
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| SaberAltria | but it is worser, it looks nice that the video clips are short, can be quickly buffered, but the player still have to buffer one then play one. In the short buffer period, the video will be hidden, it makes the video always twinkling... | 10:27 |
| SaberAltria | for example, play 2 second, then buffer 1 second, play 0.5 second, stopped and then buffer 0.5 second.............. | 10:28 |
| Acce | uhh | 10:29 |
| Acce | why does it not happen with youtube? | 10:29 |
| Acce | sounds more like a connection problem | 10:29 |
| Acce | or maybe you need to make the buffer bigger somehow? | 10:30 |
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| SaberAltria | Maybe I post the link here | 10:32 |
| SaberAltria | http://14.198.245.174:8080/enc2/02.m3u8?t=5e867b8b894ecb3ad7d71f71803bfe38&uid=1&vid=1&mxres=1874&s=b50c0ceda1e34bc3520c000a1ca3ceea&cname=index2" | 10:32 |
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| SK_work | ... | 10:33 |
| SK_work | SaberAltria: haha | 10:34 |
| SK_work | what you need is to spawn several MediaPlayer | 10:34 |
| SK_work | use them to buffer each clip | 10:34 |
| SK_work | and then swap media player on the video source | 10:35 |
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| SaberAltria | I shared same view... | 10:38 |
| SaberAltria | I tried this method too ... | 10:38 |
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| SaberAltria | I used 2 Video { } When Video A is playing, Video B is buffering. When Video A is Ended, Video B can play instantly without any buffering | 10:39 |
| SaberAltria | but the switching between them also make some inconsistency | 10:41 |
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| SK_work | SaberAltria: inconsistency ? | 10:53 |
| SK_work | what are you trying to achieve actually ? | 10:53 |
| SaberAltria | SK_work, I know my real real problem is | 10:53 |
| SaberAltria | the qml video player doesn't support .m3u8 streaming !!! | 10:54 |
| SK_work | it do | 10:54 |
| SK_work | badly | 10:54 |
| Armadillo | ^^ | 10:54 |
| SK_work | but what are you trying to achieve | 10:54 |
| SK_work | this m3u8 thing, is a playlist | 10:54 |
| SK_work | so if you are doing a video player | 10:54 |
| SaberAltria | In ubuntu, I just double clicked the .m3u8, it will continue to play for many hours | 10:55 |
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| SK_work | SaberAltria: well, what's the player ? :) | 10:55 |
| SK_work | vlc ? | 10:55 |
| SK_work | that handles this well etc. | 10:55 |
| SK_work | ^don't expect a framework to give the same quality compared to a sw | 10:55 |
| SaberAltria | but for qml video and c++ mediaplayer ( I just tried), it will stop handled when the first playlist is played. That means it wouldn't update the "list" | 10:55 |
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| SaberAltria | the default one video player in ubuntu 14.10, just called Video... | 10:56 |
| Acce | just a note, you should use VideoOutput in combination with MediaPlayer, Video component is convenience object which combines the two | 10:57 |
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| SaberAltria | the playlist (.m3u8) keeps on updating, but qml doesn't update it. I use ( loops: true ) to make it reload the playlist, but it is different | 10:57 |
| SaberAltria | Acce, Yes I tried MediaPlayer and VideoOutput in qml too | 10:58 |
| SaberAltria | it works, but between old playlist and updated playlist for streaming, it needs some times to "reload" | 10:59 |
| SaberAltria | but in the ubuntu video player, I can tell the difference is that, it is not a kind of "reload" but continue loading | 11:00 |
| SaberAltria | maybe I call it "append the updated playlist to old playlist" | 11:00 |
| SaberAltria | There must be some difference between their handling methods | 11:01 |
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| SaberAltria | Also, for qml MediaPlayer, if I set the "loops" to "0", it only plays a short part of the video, but not streaming I think... | 11:03 |
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| SaberAltria | One possible solution I can think of is using some html5 web-based player in Webview, but it is not quite native... | 11:05 |
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| SaberAltria | Ha Ha | 11:18 |
| SaberAltria | There is a bug reports for similar issue | 11:19 |
| SaberAltria | https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-August/004951.html | 11:19 |
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| sandsmark | qtmultimedia is unfortunately not really up to par, and pretty much unmaintained... | 11:28 |
| sandsmark | http://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/development/2014-November/019035.html | 11:29 |
| giucam | it's not unmaintained | 11:34 |
| giucam | lacking resources, for sure | 11:34 |
| SaberAltria | Yup... | 11:35 |
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| SaberAltria | I suffered the same problem, for the streaming, only the initial playlist contents and won't fetch more segments | 11:40 |
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| pavi | Guys where do I find documentation for creating a new package for Jolla ? | 11:45 |
| pavi | Especially a package which has nothing to do with the UI but do some console operations requiring root | 11:45 |
| SK_work | pavi: what kind of packages ? | 11:45 |
| pavi | SK_work, font ? | 11:45 |
| SK_work | pavi: package it as a standard RPM | 11:45 |
| SK_work | read fedora spec files | 11:46 |
| SK_work | for example | 11:46 |
| SK_work | run it in mer obs | 11:46 |
| SK_work | build.merproject.org | 11:46 |
| SK_work | or using the SDK virtualbox | 11:46 |
| SK_work | you can ssh into it and run rpmbuild | 11:46 |
| pavi | SK_work, ahh ok its that simple | 11:46 |
| SK_work | pavi: SailfishOS is a Linux distro so ... | 11:46 |
| pavi | SK_work, ofcourse its linux , got my jolla phone yesterday , I installed some fonts using scp , I was asked by some people to make a package | 11:48 |
| pavi | so I am starting with it , hope I dont ask too many dumb questions | 11:48 |
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| stephg | well pavi you're in the right place for help :) | 11:49 |
| pavi | stephg, thanks. | 11:50 |
| pavi | SK_work, What changes need to be added specifically for sailfish to a fedora package ? | 11:50 |
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| stephg | pavi: depends on the package, at the very very least you'll be altering the spec file | 11:52 |
| SaberAltria | @pavi, you will make font manager for Jolla, right? | 11:52 |
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| pavi | SaberAltria, no I dont have that high goals , I just wanna add some fonts | 11:53 |
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| SaberAltria | pavi, I have question about the fonts system in Jolla. In deed, I tried to change font, now I am using the "Segoe UI" font by Microsoft | 11:54 |
| SaberAltria | But before that, I have to delete all Jolla default font to make it activated. Do you have new method? | 11:55 |
| pavi | SaberAltria, I am not sure if changing font system is possible. I guess its all hardcoded into the UI. | 11:55 |
| pavi | And if you delete them there is a chance that your system becomes unusable ? | 11:56 |
| pavi | I am not sure, its left to the experts | 11:56 |
| SaberAltria | Unstable? Mmmm... I think it is stable but some text is not shown correctly | 11:57 |
| sandsmark | I think you might be able to change the fontconfig to "redirect" the fonts | 11:57 |
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| sandsmark | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Font_configuration/fontconfig_examples#Generic_with_common_typeface_overrides | 11:57 |
| sandsmark | https://gist.github.com/Gen2ly/5f07022faaabdaa8bed2 | 11:58 |
| SaberAltria | @sandsmark, one more question about the font format Jolla used | 11:58 |
| pavi | SaberAltria, try with the same font family and check . I guess you could always revert back | 11:58 |
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| SaberAltria | the emoji problem, indeed, I downloaded many emoji fonts, like iOS emoji fonts in some forum | 11:59 |
| SaberAltria | but it doesn't work in Jolla, but android is no problem | 11:59 |
| sandsmark | qt doesn't support colored emoji | 11:59 |
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| sandsmark | there is a patch for it, though | 11:59 |
| sandsmark | https://qt.gitorious.org/qt/tavestbos-qtbase/commit/18ae83b76e143f3bfdd25310990074acbc0027c7 | 12:00 |
| sandsmark | I think this also adds support for it: https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop/tree/master/Telegram/_qt_5_3_1_patch | 12:01 |
| sandsmark | but idunno | 12:01 |
| sandsmark | not a high priority for me personally, at least, I think emojis are silly | 12:01 |
| SaberAltria | haha | 12:03 |
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| ulvus | Hi | 12:28 |
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| sandsmark | yo | 12:35 |
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| ulvus | Hello sandsmark | 12:36 |
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| Hartzi | hmm warehouse lost all the repos suddently. It can't find the self update channel repo anymore. How to fix that? | 13:52 |
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| ryukafalz | Hartzi: Try SSHing into the device and run "ssu lr" - that will show all enabled and disabled repos | 14:15 |
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| TemeV | I'm getting "//usr/include/mlite5/mnotification.h:25:27: fatal error: mremoteaction.h: No such file or directory" Which package I'm missing from the SDK? | 15:13 |
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| TemeV | Is there some nice documentation somewhere for stuff like this? | 15:14 |
| Acce | maybe zypper wp mnotification.h ? | 15:15 |
| Acce | hmm nope | 15:16 |
| TemeV | yeah, I can't find anything related to this with zypper se or zypper wp | 15:18 |
| Acce | maybe mlite-qt5-devel, if you don't have it installed | 15:19 |
| Acce | and do you have it included from your .pro? | 15:21 |
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| TemeV | i think I should have that | 15:22 |
| Acce | and on another note, do you know someplace with any docs or tutorials about mlite5 :) | 15:22 |
| TemeV | nope | 15:22 |
| TemeV | I'm just using google and reading other peoples source codes | 15:22 |
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| Acce | hmm mlite source seems quite nicely commented | 15:24 |
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| Acce | do you have in your .spec: BuildRequires: pkgconfig(mlite5) | 15:26 |
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| Acce | or well, I'm just looking it up from mitakuuluu2 source files | 15:26 |
| TemeV | yes, I think I have all relevant stuff from mitakuuluu2 .spec file :) | 15:26 |
| Acce | since it works, I guess looking there and comparing to yours might work | 15:26 |
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| Acce | oh, ok :) | 15:26 |
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| TemeV | well, I could just try to add the non-relevant stuff also | 15:28 |
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| TemeV | I'm doing instant messenger after all, so I might need them in the future anyway | 15:29 |
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| Acce | mhmm.. if you're just trying to use notifications, org.nemomobile.notifications might be enough | 15:30 |
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| TemeV | isn't that only usable from qml? | 15:32 |
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| Acce | oh ok, I didn't understand you need them from c++ | 15:33 |
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| Acce | I wish I could be sure if the guys at Jolla will go for mlite5 or the other nemomobile stuff | 15:33 |
| Acce | or if they would say something else about their API than "It's Qt and Nemo stuff" :) | 15:34 |
| TemeV | I'm trying to do as much as possible with c++ :) | 15:35 |
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| Nicd- | to be honest, the Sailfish API documentation for app devs is among the most terrible I've ever seen... P | 15:35 |
| Nicd- | *:P | 15:35 |
| TemeV | And I'd also like to use notifications from background daemon, so I guess qml is not that practical there | 15:35 |
| SK_work | Nicd-: it is just enough | 15:36 |
| SK_work | if you comes from Harmattan it is quite ok | 15:36 |
| Nicd- | the way you do stuff is by asking around in mailing lists and IRC channels | 15:36 |
| SK_work | and you might need to read source code at some point | 15:36 |
| Nicd- | then you hope you get an approved or good method to do it as an answer | 15:36 |
| TemeV | Or someone is awake when you're having problems | 15:36 |
| Nicd- | yep | 15:36 |
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| SK_work | or whenever coderus is here or not :P | 15:42 |
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| Armadillo | 16:35:44» <Nicd-> to be honest, the Sailfish API documentation for app devs is among the most terrible I've ever seen... P <-- which documentation? :) | 15:43 |
| Nicd- | :D | 15:43 |
| Nicd- | well, we have documentation for the QML widgets | 15:44 |
| Nicd- | so we can create UIs without any functionality | 15:44 |
| SK_work | Nicd-: you have Qt doc for this | 15:45 |
| Nicd- | except for stuff like GPS (until 5.2) and notifications which should've been there from the start | 15:46 |
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| TemeV | Nicd-: do you use notifications in weecrapp? | 15:47 |
| Nicd- | haven't gotten to that yet | 15:47 |
| TemeV | so you don't know how to use them from c++? | 15:48 |
| Nicd- | nope | 15:48 |
| TemeV | damn, have to wait until coderus appears online, I guess :) | 15:48 |
| Nicd- | seen some mitakuuluu code for it but haven't gone through it | 15:48 |
| SK_work | TemeV: what I do is that I (static) link with nemo qml notifications | 15:48 |
| Nicd- | this is one thing that just absolutely should be there | 15:48 |
| Nicd- | in some documentation | 15:49 |
| TemeV | SK_work: ok, have to check that out | 15:49 |
| SK_work | TemeV: I use some QML submodules for this | 15:49 |
| SK_work | Nicd-: I'm trying to write a custom compatibility layer that pulls all kind of submodules | 15:50 |
| SK_work | compile them | 15:50 |
| SK_work | and you can link with these libs | 15:50 |
| TemeV | ok. Well, I have to go now. SK_work I'll maybe ask you some details later :) | 15:50 |
| TemeV | --> | 15:50 |
| SK_work | so that sailfish devs will have nice features quite easily | 15:50 |
| Nicd- | anyway, I should get a new laptop before I can use any 5.2 stuff in my apps :/ | 15:53 |
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| ulvus | Hi sailfish ppl | 16:12 |
| SK_work | hi ulvus | 16:14 |
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| ulvus | Whats up, nice to hear about launch of tablet and OS 2.0 | 16:16 |
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| ryukafalz | Tablet's gonna be awesome :) | 16:26 |
| ulvus | Yeah | 16:26 |
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| ulvus | 252 % funding look good | 16:32 |
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| ulvus | Hi! | 18:04 |
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| SK_work | hi ulvus | 18:06 |
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| ulvus | SK_work: are they date of 24 november correct for release of sailfish OS 2 ore are it just rumours | 18:10 |
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| SK_work | 100% rumors | 18:11 |
| SK_work | 1.1.X is not fully out yet | 18:11 |
| SK_work | so how come they can make 2.0 in 4 days ? | 18:11 |
| locusf | lots of coffee? | 18:11 |
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| Aard | ulvus: don't get that hooked on a software version. we're continuing updating as before. the more exciting bit is the hardware part | 18:12 |
| SK_work | locusf: no, only having more Stskeeps could make this achievable | 18:12 |
| SK_work | Aard: ha ? | 18:12 |
| SK_work | IMO SW part (multiwindow ? new swipe animation ? new ambience lockscreen menu etc.) is much more exciting | 18:13 |
| locusf | SK_work: heheh :) | 18:13 |
| SK_work | as it can also benefit from Jolla phone | 18:13 |
| Aard | SK_work: meaning, "don't expect a bing bang where everything suddenly shows up" | 18:13 |
| SK_work | benefit to jolla phone | 18:13 |
| SK_work | Aard: I'm waiting for them then :) | 18:13 |
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| ulvus | Stskeeps do a good work, but he can and will not tell me about jolla and sailfish launc, before its going public. He under firm and private practice of discretion | 18:18 |
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| ulvus | Ok, jolla hope to have tablet on sale may 2015 | 18:29 |
| ulvus | Its a date found egg.me crowdfunding | 18:29 |
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| mkollaro | Could somebody please help me out with Silica+signals? I'm trying to create a simple app that would just print the result of a C++ function in a QML rectangle. I found this: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qtqml-cppintegration-interactqmlfromcpp.html , but I'm not sure how to rewrite the normal main() using SailfishApp::main with the one in the examples | 18:58 |
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| Acce | mkollaro: simple example of working main: https://github.com/Acce0ss/simpleweather/blob/master/src/harbour-simpleweather.cpp | 19:18 |
| mkollaro | Acce: I thought you need to register a new qml type only when you are creating your own visual thingy? | 19:19 |
| Acce | mkollaro: it doesn't have to be a visual thing | 19:20 |
| Acce | of course, you may register just something if you don't need a whole new type | 19:20 |
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| mkollaro | Acce: then in which cases are you supposed to register a new type and when should you use signals&slots? | 19:20 |
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| Acce | well, a type forms a sensible object, which may have properties, signals and slots (equal to functions on qml side) | 19:21 |
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| Acce | it's like a class, which you then instantiate in the qml | 19:22 |
| Acce | possibly dynamically | 19:22 |
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| Acce | in case you have something you want to relay from c++, and you don't really need to set any properties or such for the backend, just registering the needed function makes sense imo | 19:23 |
| mkollaro | so, in which case would you just use signals, without registering a type? | 19:25 |
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| Acce | humm.. it depends a lot on the case | 19:26 |
| Acce | I don't know what would be a good rule fitting all cases | 19:27 |
| Acce | http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qtqml-cppintegration-topic.html | 19:28 |
| Acce | so, maybe a case where you have 3rd party library and cannot make it a qml type in a sensible way | 19:29 |
| Acce | just register the functions to be usable from qml then | 19:29 |
| Acce | well it's maybe little bit wrong to say "register functions" | 19:31 |
| Acce | in most cases I would just create a type I guess.. | 19:33 |
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| mkollaro | Acce: thanks, that makes it a bit less confusing :) | 19:36 |
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| Acce | mkollaro: np, just keep going on it and it starts to make more and more sense :) | 19:37 |
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| salamisami | Hi | 20:12 |
| salamisami | How's the Sailfish work on N9 | 20:12 |
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| salamisami | Apart from the missing features like GPS and Camera | 20:12 |
| salamisami | How snappy is the UI or does it feel slow like Meego on N900? | 20:13 |
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| coderus | salamisami: worst experience ever :) | 20:25 |
| coderus | just for sailfish fans | 20:25 |
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| salamisami | Oh, ok | 20:26 |
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| salamisami | It looked ok on youtube | 20:26 |
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| keithzg | "It looked ok on youtube": famous last words ;) | 22:49 |
| keithzg | I will say that SailfishOS on the Nexus 4 is nearly flawless, so if you have one of those around it's *definitely* worth it IMHO. | 22:49 |
| keithzg | salamisami ^^ | 22:50 |
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| jean-michel | hello everybody | 23:41 |
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