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| Juuba | 5 minutes to Jolla presentation at Slush | 08:31 |
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| Mirv | 0 mins | 08:33 |
| stephg | shhh! | 08:34 |
| Juuba | what is this! | 08:34 |
| Juuba | AHEAD of the schedule! | 08:34 |
| Juuba | unpossibre! | 08:34 |
| stephg | haha | 08:34 |
| Juuba | that comment thread = pure gold as usual | 08:35 |
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| timoph | blocked the ninchat thing | 08:40 |
| Armadillo | same here :) | 08:40 |
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| timoph | :) | 08:41 |
| Armadillo | display: none; xD | 08:41 |
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| cos- | ok, a tablet | 08:52 |
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| RzR | cos-: 2d one in 2 days | 08:54 |
| cos- | they all look the same, only the software matters | 08:55 |
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| Sidde | when is sailfish 2.0 due? | 08:55 |
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| RzR | cos-: jolla is not mentionning about gpu | 08:59 |
| pp_ | smells like Z3560 | 09:03 |
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| zGrr | moin :) | 09:08 |
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| SK_work | RzR: on #JollaMobile tigeli said it is some intel GPU | 09:12 |
| cos- | ordered | 09:12 |
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| RzR | SK_work: yea as said on the website | 09:20 |
| SK_work | I'm missing so much info from this website :/ at first I thought dual core intel | 09:22 |
| SK_work | then didn't see GPU | 09:22 |
| SK_work | etc. | 09:22 |
| RzR | sorry I misrread you | 09:22 |
| RzR | I read CPU | 09:22 |
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| MonkZ | hiho where can i download the sources for SailfishOS? aka not Mer/Nemo | 09:25 |
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| tbr | MonkZ: not all of it is open source. if you want to port it to a new device, I'd recommend looking at the HADK | 09:26 |
| tbr | MonkZ: #sailfishos-porters channel can help you with that | 09:26 |
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| MonkZ | no i want to seek for bugs and like to provide patches | 09:27 |
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| MonkZ | s/for//; | 09:27 |
| SK_work | MonkZ: well, at best you can do it for community | 09:28 |
| MonkZ | tbr: but in their last mail was "All of our customers can have their say on the direction of our products and because Sailfish OS is open source, you can change whatever you want, whenever you want." | 09:28 |
| SK_work | as there is no official channel | 09:28 |
| tbr | MonkZ: is that verbatim from that email? if so then they should give a stern talking to someone in marketing... | 09:29 |
| MonkZ | jep | 09:29 |
| Acce | 20 when I looked.. now 409 when I contributed | 09:30 |
| Acce | nice speed | 09:30 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: cybette - rough up your marketing, they are spreading lies again. | 09:30 |
| Armadillo | :D | 09:30 |
| tbr | MonkZ: the source dump of pretty much everything open source is on my server if you want to have a look | 09:30 |
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| tbr | http://images.formeego.org/jolla/sources/ | 09:31 |
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| tbr | MonkZ: contributions to most of that go through Mer and Nemo | 09:31 |
| tbr | oh, it was in _today's_ marketing mail... | 09:32 |
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| tbr | MonkZ: if you find something where there is no public upstream, then contacting Stskeeps as the first step is a good choice | 09:33 |
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| tbr | MonkZ: you'll see the origin of most of those in a _source file as git URLs | 09:34 |
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| faenil | _service | 09:36 |
| tbr | thanks | 09:36 |
| tbr | faenil: did you get my email? | 09:36 |
| faenil | tbr: yeah thanks a lot buddy | 09:36 |
| * tbr had already slumbered off | 09:36 | |
| faenil | was quite nervous for the adsl issues and forgot to reply :) | 09:36 |
| MonkZ | hm i hope the proprietary source model of sailfishOS will change in the future | 09:37 |
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| ar | will sailfish2 come to jolla phones? | 09:40 |
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| cos- | i'm pretty sure 99% of the code will be same on phone & tablet | 09:41 |
| lbt | tbr: I already started on the marketing people | 09:41 |
| tbr | lbt: thanks | 09:41 |
| lbt | I think they may get a new rule - techs must preview *any* sentence which uses the word open or source! | 09:41 |
| tbr | MonkZ: a lot of stuff is getting open sourced over time | 09:42 |
| * faenil heard this last year already, do you have a dejavu as well tbr ? | 09:42 | |
| faenil | :P | 09:42 |
| tbr | faenil: well yeah, we had the whole "truly open" bullshit story... | 09:42 |
| faenil | and it was said that tech people should review marketing stuff :D | 09:42 |
| faenil | s/should/would | 09:43 |
| lbt | faenil: its things like the "only sent when the timer runs out" email wording | 09:43 |
| lbt | we never saw that to proof read | 09:43 |
| faenil | hehe | 09:43 |
| lbt | everything else - yes - look at the nemo logo on the page :) | 09:43 |
| MonkZ | tbr: hope so. i can understand the proprietary character of the alienvm. but i bought my jolla phone BECAUSE of the "truly open" statement | 09:44 |
| faenil | lbt: cool, yes I saw it and smiled ;) | 09:44 |
| lbt | and mer <proud> | 09:44 |
| tbr | MonkZ: *nod* | 09:45 |
| lbt | MonkZ: well it's 2 words - I agree they're wrong. OTOH even the FSF laptop has closed bits | 09:46 |
| tbr | MonkZ: you're welcome to come to the next community meeting and help keep the pressure for open sourcing components up | 09:46 |
| lbt | and I'm not going to defend the closed bits in sfos again :) | 09:46 |
| lbt | +1 | 09:46 |
| lbt | positive and supportive pressure is doing the job | 09:46 |
| * tbr really wants to see the message UI open | 09:47 | |
| tbr | multi user chat and stuff | 09:47 |
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| * SK_work_ want some core apps to be opened (media player, gallery etc.) | 09:52 | |
| MonkZ | for instance i want to turn the labels on the lockscreen upside down (clock on top of the screen) - so i pull my phone just a little bit out of my smartphone case, switch the display on and see the current time (not my Provider - because i already know that) | 09:53 |
| * lbt wonders if the lipstick QML is exposed anyhow | 09:53 | |
| SK_work_ | cos-: some tablet UI code so basically a bit of qml | 09:53 |
| SK_work_ | lbt: thanks lbt (abotu marketing :)) | 09:54 |
| lbt | SK_work_: we try ... really we do! | 09:54 |
| * Armadillo wants APIs for calendar,contacs,... | 09:54 | |
| MonkZ | Armadillo: true dat | 09:54 |
| SK_work_ | lbt: I can understand | 09:54 |
| SK_work_ | lbt: lipstick qml is exposed | 09:55 |
| SK_work_ | and I have a pleasure putting patches on it :) | 09:55 |
| SK_work_ | Armadillo: you have those | 09:55 |
| SK_work_ | but you need privileged | 09:55 |
| Armadillo | -_- | 09:55 |
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| lbt | MonkZ: ^^^ talk to SK_work_ about moving the clock :) | 09:56 |
| * lbt really ought to hack more *g* | 09:57 | |
| SK_work_ | moving clock ? | 09:57 |
| MonkZ | SK_work_: mirror the lockscreen horizontally | 09:58 |
| MonkZ | (maybe via preferences) | 09:58 |
| SK_work_ | put time on top ? | 09:58 |
| SK_work_ | how can you read time when "peeking" ? | 09:58 |
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| MonkZ | jep, i have a pully case | 09:59 |
| SK_work_ | MonkZ: ha | 09:59 |
| SK_work_ | it shouldn't be hard | 09:59 |
| SK_work_ | MonkZ: know "patch" and "diff" | 10:00 |
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| SK_work_ | and patch files ? | 10:00 |
| SK_work_ | read this then: https://github.com/bundyo/sailfishos-patches-advanced/tree/master/maintained/homescreen-datenetwork | 10:00 |
| SK_work_ | ok, it is not the official branch, (bundyo's fork) | 10:00 |
| SK_work_ | please submit to official branch :) | 10:00 |
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| MonkZ | so if i lift the phone a little bit, and switch it on, it shows me information about my provider (which did not change often) | 10:01 |
| MonkZ | SK_work: okay thx | 10:01 |
| Armadillo | I'd also appreciate this :) | 10:01 |
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| SK_work | MonkZ: search in openrepos patchmanager | 10:02 |
| SK_work | also a thread in TMO | 10:02 |
| SK_work | (talk.maemo.org) | 10:02 |
| MonkZ | thx | 10:02 |
| MonkZ | have to go now. lecture begins | 10:02 |
| MonkZ | bye | 10:02 |
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| Armadillo | any guesses for the 2.0 roadmap besides the UI changes seen on the tablet page? | 10:04 |
| SK_work | Armadillo: community meeting? | 10:05 |
| lbt | Armadillo: watch git ? :D | 10:05 |
| Armadillo | lbt :P | 10:05 |
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| Armadillo | SK_work not a bad idea | 10:05 |
| SK_work | Armadillo: adding it | 10:05 |
| Armadillo | thx | 10:06 |
| dr_gogeta86 | SK_work, How unlimited multitask will look like on tablet ? :-D | 10:07 |
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| SK_work | dr_gogeta86: :D | 10:09 |
| zGrr | I might actually want to buy a tablet. | 10:09 |
| zGrr | My first tablet ... since N810. :) | 10:10 |
| Armadillo | what do you do with your tablets? | 10:10 |
| Frye | Oooo I still remember my N810 | 10:10 |
| Armadillo | Sometimes I'm considering to buy one, but it can#t figure out what to do with it :D | 10:11 |
| Frye | We used to play Sctarcontrol II duels over wifi with those during coffee breaks :-) | 10:11 |
| Armadillo | :D | 10:11 |
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| Frye | And then they let something like Apple steal the tablet market... | 10:11 |
| zGrr | What? Sold out already?! | 10:12 |
| zGrr | Apple didn't steal the market, Apple entered the market. | 10:12 |
| dr_gogeta86 | iekku, sorry if i bother you | 10:13 |
| SK_work | tbr: added open source and SailfishOS in the agenda meeting too | 10:13 |
| zGrr | Nokia mgmt was too stupid to keep up. | 10:13 |
| Frye | exactly what I ment. | 10:13 |
| tbr | SK_work: :) | 10:13 |
| Frye | Management let it happen. | 10:13 |
| zGrr | But why Jolla tablet preorders are sold out already? | 10:15 |
| zGrr | This seems silly or it's just me not able to understand reasoning. | 10:15 |
| pp_ | 750 still left | 10:16 |
| zGrr | Jolla tablet specs is perfectly matching Tesco Huddle 2... | 10:17 |
| pp_ | I'd guess they'll let you preorder afterwards, but may not want to have exact sales numbers public | 10:17 |
| zGrr | ... same hardware I suppose. | 10:17 |
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| zGrr | You mean on that Indiegogo page? | 10:20 |
| pp_ | as in sell 2000 quickly, then sell 0-10000 without disclosing how many :-) | 10:21 |
| zGrr | $199 is not bad. | 10:22 |
| zGrr | Ok. I go for it. | 10:23 |
| zGrr | I hope it is going to be a little more open than Jolla phone. | 10:25 |
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| Armadillo | well their marketing told us that everything is totally open source, so let's see what happens with SailfishOS 2.0 :P | 10:28 |
| dr_gogeta86 | I did contribution twice for wrong if not jolla nor indiegogo refund me | 10:28 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i got a spare $199 slot | 10:29 |
| lbt | Armadillo: it's not totally open source | 10:31 |
| lbt | don't want to mislead you - sorry that email wasn't proof-read better | 10:31 |
| zGrr | By contribution it means they are going to actually send the tablet, won't they? :) | 10:32 |
| lbt | ? | 10:32 |
| lbt | ah dr_gogeta86's issue - I'm sure we'll sort that out somehow | 10:32 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i hope | 10:32 |
| zGrr | So do I :) | 10:33 |
| dr_gogeta86 | I was one of first oners ... I wanna to be also for this ... :-D | 10:33 |
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| zGrr | I didn't buy Jolla phone, because it has too many limitations. But I need the tablet. | 10:41 |
| zGrr | I can wait until May. | 10:41 |
| SK_work | zGrr: :D | 10:44 |
| cos- | i've never had any need for tablet, but bought this one just for support | 10:46 |
| dr_gogeta86 | someone buyed the double perk | 10:46 |
| dr_gogeta86 | so thank you guys | 10:46 |
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| Nicd- | what double perk? | 10:47 |
| dr_gogeta86 | double contribution | 10:47 |
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| Armadillo | I'm curious how they'll make it possible to test different devices in the SDK | 10:48 |
| Armadillo | a question for the QA in the meeting | 10:49 |
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| SK_work | Armadillo: add it in the wiki on tjc ? | 10:50 |
| Armadillo | is it worth to be an extra point? | 10:51 |
| Armadillo | or just in the text of the other ones? | 10:51 |
| SK_work | Armadillo: it is more SDK | 10:51 |
| SK_work | extra point | 10:51 |
| Armadillo | ok | 10:51 |
| Armadillo | adding it | 10:51 |
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| Armadillo | what's the date for the next meeting? | 10:59 |
| Armadillo | on TJC there's still november 4th mentioned | 11:00 |
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| SK_work | Armadillo: I guess we need cybette back | 11:09 |
| SK_work | soon I gues | 11:09 |
| SK_work | s | 11:09 |
| SK_work | she should be at shush atm | 11:09 |
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| coderus | Sailfish.Media MediaKey { onRepeat: { something } } not working? | 11:19 |
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| iekku | dr_gogeta86, ? | 11:21 |
| dr_gogeta86 | iekku, sorry to bother you on twitter but i've found a kind person who bought my $199 donation | 11:21 |
| dr_gogeta86 | I've created a jolla addicted two weeks ago the phone now also the tablet :-D | 11:22 |
| lainwir3d | :P | 11:22 |
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| iekku | dr_gogeta86, :D sorry for not able to help you | 11:24 |
| dr_gogeta86 | iekku, the problem was solved by itself | 11:24 |
| dr_gogeta86 | :-D | 11:24 |
| iekku | <3 | 11:24 |
| dr_gogeta86 | but now i need to donate 20$ twice ? | 11:24 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/11/jolla-tablet-linux-based-os-crowdfunding | 11:40 |
| dr_gogeta86 | also here | 11:41 |
| entil | "In less than 24 hours Jolla has already reached 100% of its $380,000 target." | 11:42 |
| entil | isn't it more like "less than 2 hours" | 11:42 |
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| edubai | Hi everyone, am new here... can I load sailfishes on my galaxy s5 ? | 11:46 |
| edubai | sailfishos** | 11:46 |
| Nicd- | edubai: might want to check #sailfishos-porters (I think that was the name). here's also a list of devices and their current statuses: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris | 11:48 |
| Nicd- | dunno if anyone's working on an S5 port | 11:48 |
| edubai | Nicd-: thanks | 11:48 |
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| coderus | can i get Sailfish 2.0 for my Jolla please? | 12:30 |
| stephg | I guess the emulator is going to be interesting in the coming months :) | 12:31 |
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| stephg | and the store, with dual arch packages and such | 12:31 |
| Armadillo | yep | 12:31 |
| Armadillo | I already a relating question for the community meeting | 12:31 |
| Armadillo | +added | 12:32 |
| SK_Sailfish_ | dual arch | 12:32 |
| SK_Sailfish_ | yep, that's a pb | 12:32 |
| Armadillo | what's a pb? :) | 12:33 |
| SK_Sailfish_ | dual arch | 12:34 |
| faenil | surely not a playbook, I'd guess a problem | 12:34 |
| faenil | :) | 12:34 |
| SK_Sailfish_ | hum ? | 12:34 |
| faenil | SK_Sailfish_: he wanted to know what "pb" stood for | 12:34 |
| SK_Sailfish_ | ah :D | 12:35 |
| SK_Sailfish_ | yep, problem | 12:35 |
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| Armadillo | alright, never heard this abbreviation before, thanks ;) | 12:37 |
| Nicd- | SK_Sailfish_: is it a problem? just compile fat packages | 12:38 |
| SK_Sailfish_ | Nicd-: well devs need to recompile | 12:38 |
| Nicd- | they need to recompile anyway with changes coming to the OS I guess | 12:39 |
| SK_Sailfish_ | Nicd-: well is compatible atm | 12:39 |
| Nicd- | I don't think it will be forever | 12:39 |
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| Q-work | hi all | 12:40 |
| Armadillo | hi | 12:40 |
| Q-work | congrats on the indiegogo campaign :) | 12:40 |
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| Q-work | I also committed for the second 1000. And I had a question regarding the OS. On wiki I read "Sailfish is a mobile operating system combining the Linux kernel with mer and proprietary software written by Jolla." | 12:41 |
| Q-work | and I'm wondering what "proprietary" bits there exactly are | 12:41 |
| Nicd- | there was a list of that somewhere | 12:42 |
| Nicd- | but afaik the UI bits and apps mostly. and of course low level drivers that come from the hw manufacturer | 12:42 |
| Q-work | right | 12:43 |
| Q-work | UI meaning the launcher I presume? | 12:44 |
| Q-work | in Android lingo anyway | 12:44 |
| Nicd- | and the C++ side of the UI Qt components | 12:46 |
| Q-work | hmm, that's a bit of a shame | 12:48 |
| Q-work | but ok | 12:48 |
| marinaio | Q-work: http://piratepad.net/ep/pad/view/JollaSoftwareState/e8o8OCgKen | 12:49 |
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| stephg | k | 12:52 |
| Q-work | marinaio: thank you | 12:52 |
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| Sidde | i don't really understand why their own apps are closed, like the calculator | 13:04 |
| Sidde | what's the point with that, the QML is still readable for example | 13:05 |
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| SK_work | Sidde: for some stuff, like silica, it is normal, as you have designer setc. | 13:16 |
| SK_work | so designers design the tablet ui for ex | 13:16 |
| SK_work | and developers develop the feature before it is publised | 13:16 |
| SK_work | no need to explain everything to other contributors (with roadmaps, etc.) | 13:16 |
| SK_work | bit of control for them | 13:16 |
| SK_work | for calculator ... well | 13:16 |
| Sidde | sure. but do that with the few that you might have something to "hide" then | 13:17 |
| Sidde | default should be open for those applications | 13:17 |
| Sidde | other developers can then use the code for inspiration or help | 13:17 |
| Sidde | it's so much easier to get going if you have lots of examples. And right now there are pretty few examples on how to use silica out there | 13:18 |
| SK_work | Sidde: well, devs know that they have to read QML code on their devices ;) | 13:20 |
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| Sidde | SK_work: if you broadcast to people that you are open source, or atleast use open source to a greater extent. Then i atleast thinks that then use closed only when needed | 13:22 |
| SK_work | Sidde: hum ? | 13:22 |
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| nimmersatt | do i want the jolla tablet? | 13:23 |
| Armadillo | maybe? | 13:23 |
| SK_work | nimmersatt: for sure ? | 13:23 |
| Sidde | the mail today for example is a pretty bold statement. "Sailfish is open source" | 13:23 |
| Sidde | Apple could say the same thing with OS X then? | 13:23 |
| Sidde | so i still think that open source the apps and stuff that has no licensing issues | 13:24 |
| SK_work | Sidde: again the same discussion | 13:25 |
| SK_work | yep, it's a false statement | 13:25 |
| Sidde | but now is not the time to be negative | 13:25 |
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| SK_work | yes, it's not OSS | 13:25 |
| SK_work | yes that's a problem | 13:25 |
| SK_work | and I hope that we will get some convincing answer for enxt meeting | 13:25 |
| Sidde | I felt a bit cheated at the beginning. Jumping on the open source mobile phone train | 13:26 |
| Sidde | but it was my own bad research i have to blame | 13:26 |
| nimmersatt | wait sailfish isnt open source? | 13:27 |
| Sidde | nimmersatt: some parts are not | 13:27 |
| Sidde | nimmersatt: the UI stuff for example | 13:27 |
| Sidde | nimmersatt: but it's pretty much open source. You get a normal linux kernel and userspace | 13:28 |
| Sidde | and there is a great deal of configuration you have to do the linux way sometimes. which is really nice | 13:29 |
| Nicd- | it's more open source than other choices. but it's not (even close to) 100 % so it shouldn't be marketed as such | 13:29 |
| nimmersatt | ok. | 13:29 |
| tortoisedoc | jhakala1 : ping | 13:29 |
| tortoisedoc | w00tw00t | 13:29 |
| tortoisedoc | what did i miss :( | 13:29 |
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| tortoisedoc | sailfish 2.0 announcement ? :( | 13:30 |
| Sidde | better to say it's a linux phone and get everyone to think that it's open source. Then say it out loud :D | 13:30 |
| Sidde | *than | 13:30 |
| marinaio | tortoisedoc: jolla tablet crowdfunding https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/jolla-tablet-world-s-first-crowdsourced-tablet/#home | 13:30 |
| nimmersatt | UI should be open sourced, too. and the real android launcher, too, when it launches. | 13:30 |
| tortoisedoc | marinaio : ah yeah that I know :P | 13:30 |
| nimmersatt | thanks for reply, sidde | 13:31 |
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| SK_work | nimmersatt: tell this to Jolla | 13:31 |
| SK_work | as I understand there are reason not to oss, at least they should tell wha's open what's not | 13:31 |
| tortoisedoc | marinaio : were they showing at slush? | 13:32 |
| tortoisedoc | (the tablet I mean) | 13:32 |
| Armadillo | no | 13:33 |
| Armadillo | only the vid | 13:33 |
| marinaio | no, they teased the tablet in a video | 13:33 |
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| SK_work | Marc only had a phone in his hands at Slush | 13:35 |
| SK_work | the tablet can be seen at Slush though | 13:35 |
| lainwir3d | SK_work: sure ? I think after the video we see him with a tablet | 13:35 |
| lainwir3d | on scene | 13:35 |
| marinaio | I only remember him showing his phone | 13:36 |
| marinaio | with a leather oth | 13:36 |
| Nicd- | pienimäki had a tablet at slush | 13:36 |
| Nicd- | a jolla tablet* | 13:36 |
| SK_work | maybe | 13:37 |
| marinaio | -Only couple of tablet prototypes in existence right now. http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1448060&postcount=373 | 13:37 |
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| tortoisedoc | hah | 13:48 |
| tortoisedoc | jollatabled > 500K :D | 13:48 |
| tortoisedoc | how much is that | 13:48 |
| tortoisedoc | 2500 tablets? | 13:48 |
| Nicd- | it's 2398 tablets | 13:48 |
| tortoisedoc | nice! | 13:48 |
| Nicd- | just add up the numbers ;) | 13:48 |
| lainwir3d | :) | 13:48 |
| tortoisedoc | not bad for a first day :P | 13:48 |
| lainwir3d | the day is not over | 13:49 |
| lainwir3d | :P | 13:49 |
| tortoisedoc | :ed | 13:49 |
| tortoisedoc | im trying to be positive here >_< | 13:49 |
| tortoisedoc | :D | 13:49 |
| lainwir3d | :) | 13:49 |
| tortoisedoc | but still no news about paid apps in harbour :( | 13:49 |
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| tortoisedoc | giucam : will tabled lipstick be very different from phone lipstick? | 13:53 |
| tortoisedoc | *tablet | 13:53 |
| flux | I doubt it. different qml perhaps? | 13:55 |
| giucam | tortoisedoc: what do you mean? | 13:55 |
| flux | maintaining multiple different, but similar, projects is a waste of time for a company the size of Jolla | 13:56 |
| Armadillo | tortoisedoc it's called tablet not tabled :P | 13:56 |
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| SK_work | doffere,t qùm | 13:57 |
| SK_work | different qml | 13:58 |
| SK_work | sorry kbd shift | 13:58 |
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| locusf | the current jolla-home qml heavily relies on the homescreen to be in portrait orientation | 13:58 |
| coderus | yeah | 13:58 |
| coderus | current lipstick-jolla-home-qt5 qml's are sucks :D | 13:59 |
| flux | 'they' should fix that. I would like a landscape homescreen with the keyboard. | 13:59 |
| Armadillo | they are already working on this | 13:59 |
| Armadillo | this has been said on the dev mailing list | 13:59 |
| flux | (actually I would like it while switching between landscape apps as well, even without kbd) | 14:00 |
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| SK_work | coderus: it's getting better | 14:00 |
| SK_work | well, better but the compositor.qml file is still 1kloc | 14:00 |
| SK_work | and messy as hell* | 14:01 |
| locusf | hmm lol I didn't even read the indiegogo screen, I just threw money at the screen :p | 14:01 |
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| Pistos | One major flaw I dislike about Android is that app permissions are an all-or-nothing affair. You must surrender your firstborn in order to use that clever stopwatch app. What really should be done is the OS should allow the user to block SPECIFIC permissions, and allow others, so that you can deny access to the blood of your children, while still being able to time your laps around the track. Does | 14:02 |
| Pistos | Sailfish and/or Mer improve on this situation? | 14:02 |
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| SK_work | Pistos: I have to say: dunno | 14:03 |
| Nicd- | yes, there is no permission system | 14:03 |
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| Nicd- | at all | 14:03 |
| SK_work | as there is no permission atm | 14:03 |
| SK_work | Nicd-: I hope there will be some | 14:03 |
| Nicd- | all apps have the right to do anything they want | 14:03 |
| Pistos | Nicd-, SK_work: Um, meaning what exactly, then? :) | 14:03 |
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| Pistos | Hm, I see. | 14:03 |
| SK_work | Nicd-: well, there is none, but you can install packages to get all of them (get privileged easily) | 14:03 |
| Nicd- | Pistos: it means apps run as your nemo user | 14:03 |
| flux | too bad it wasn't there from the start. because the transition is going to be a pain.. | 14:03 |
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| Pistos | Okay, well, I guess maybe this is actually good news, since that means people can start thinking about the problem now, and it's not too late to influence a major aspect of the OS | 14:04 |
| Pistos | . | 14:04 |
| Nicd- | Pistos: it means there is no sandboxing between apps and almost anything in your home directory like configs of other clients is ripe for the picking | 14:04 |
| Nicd- | other apps* | 14:04 |
| Pistos | Can you at least run things as different users, then? | 14:04 |
| Pistos | ruskie: Fancy seeing you here. ;) | 14:05 |
| Nicd- | not without using devtools | 14:05 |
| flux | probably not if you want to use fancy things like graphics :) | 14:05 |
| Nicd- | even with devtools wouldn't know how to | 14:05 |
| SK_work | flux: well, atm, nothing related to accessing private data is allowed on store | 14:05 |
| SK_work | so ... | 14:05 |
| SK_work | Pistos: you have nemo / priviliged and root | 14:05 |
| Pistos | flux: WHO NEEDS GRAPHICS, WE CHAT WITH curses-BASED IRC CLIENTS! o/ | 14:05 |
| Acce | Pistos: just uninstall silica Ui and run everything in fingerterm | 14:06 |
| Acce | (not sure if really possible :) | 14:06 |
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| Pistos | :) | 14:07 |
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| cos- | sailors have been reported to be in finnair vip loung, i suppose they are happy with the indiegogo numbers | 14:09 |
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| tortoisedoc | giucam : @ a technical level; is the qml going to be substantially different? | 14:09 |
| tortoisedoc | cos: ask sailors to come out and get me as +1 back in :P | 14:09 |
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| giucam | tortoisedoc: to be seen yet | 14:10 |
| tortoisedoc | aha! | 14:10 |
| tortoisedoc | thanks :) | 14:10 |
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| SK_work | tortoisedoc: it might be | 14:15 |
| SK_work | not sure yet | 14:15 |
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| lukedirtwalker | Are there any store guys/girls here? | 14:16 |
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| SK_work | lukedirtwalker: maybe, if they are back at office | 14:17 |
| SK_work | nazanin: ^ ? | 14:17 |
| SK_work | or iekku: ^ ? | 14:17 |
| lukedirtwalker | SK_work: thanks for pointing them | 14:17 |
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| fzk | aha! more liek anal | 14:21 |
| lukedirtwalker | Probably today is party day for them :) But the announcement motivated me again to push Cutespotify forward | 14:21 |
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| nazanin | lukedirtwalker: I'm here :) | 14:41 |
| lainwir3d | :-/ | 14:49 |
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| lainwir3d | I got a problem with pyotherside | 14:49 |
| lainwir3d | I can't import scipy.signal with it | 14:50 |
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| lainwir3d | but it works perfectly when imported directly from python3.4 | 14:50 |
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| lukedirtwalker | nazanin: Oh I missed it. So my question is can I submit an app which only works with SF version 1.0.8 and later, or will that fail Q&A anyway? | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | tbr, sorry, on really bad windows pc and scrolled off already.. you hilighted me? | 15:04 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: nothing for you to worry | 15:06 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: other people gave your marketing a backrub already about "all open sores" | 15:06 |
| nazanin | lukedirtwalker: in such situations, we test applications on a case by case basis. It's not gonna fail QA because it only works on one OS version. you can submit your app and in the 'Message from developer' part mention this point :) | 15:06 |
| nazanin | lukedirtwalker: we will contact you later to keep you updated about the process :) | 15:07 |
| iekku | i'm here now too | 15:08 |
| lukedirtwalker | nazanin: Thanks, then I will submit it and see what happens :) | 15:08 |
| nazanin | lukedirtwalker: cool | 15:09 |
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| Stskeeps | tbr: a backrub with a whip? | 15:16 |
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| tbr | Stskeeps: inquire with lbt as to the exact technique that he applied | 15:16 |
| lbt | *snap* | 15:17 |
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| tortoisedoc | scary :D | 15:19 |
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| cos- | tablet has been slashdotted | 15:25 |
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| tortoisedoc | dotted! | 15:30 |
| Acce | waiting for "over 9000!!!" picture for the tablet.. when 9000 are "sold" | 15:32 |
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| tortoisedoc | w00t | 15:35 |
| tortoisedoc | almost doubled the target ammount! :D | 15:35 |
| ln- | amount | 15:36 |
| tortoisedoc | money :P | 15:36 |
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| SK_work | nope, need 800k for this :) | 15:39 |
| tortoisedoc | 800k? by tomorrow eve - no, midday? :P | 15:40 |
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| tortoisedoc | hmm | 15:59 |
| tortoisedoc | just noticed now | 15:59 |
| tortoisedoc | the spec table of the jolla tablet | 15:59 |
| tortoisedoc | is missing the gpu spec | 15:59 |
| nimmersatt | will they get a million today? | 15:59 |
| Pistos | Patiently waiting for the Jolla phone to become available on the west side of the Atlantic. :( | 16:00 |
| Jef91 | So the 204$ on the Indigo page covers the full cost of the tablet when it is released or just gets you a discount on one? | 16:00 |
| tortoisedoc | Pistos : order from EU with forwarder ? | 16:00 |
| nimmersatt | I mean, it is early in america | 16:00 |
| Jef91 | Pistos: +1. I don't really want a tablet, but I want to play with Sailfish. | 16:00 |
| Jef91 | tortoisedoc: not having 3g/LTE speeds is huge | 16:00 |
| stephg | Pistos: you'll have difficulties with connectivity :( | 16:00 |
| Jef91 | currently Jolla only has 2g speeds in the US/Canada | 16:00 |
| tortoisedoc | jef91 : you mean phone or tablet? | 16:00 |
| Pistos | Yep, can't wait to get my hands on a phone running software that I can at least trust a little bit. | 16:01 |
| tortoisedoc | ack | 16:01 |
| stephg | Jef91: buy an N4 or an N5 and put SFOS on it? | 16:01 |
| Jef91 | Pistos: I'm still using a Nokia N900 haha | 16:01 |
| Pistos | stephg: Right, so getting the physical device now isn't going to do any good if it won't work with any local carriers. | 16:01 |
| Jef91 | stephg: Those are officially supported and have everything functional? | 16:01 |
| tortoisedoc | Community should release Sailfish version for N900 :P | 16:01 |
| stephg | officially supported, no | 16:01 |
| stephg | functional, yes | 16:01 |
| Jef91 | All the software/hardware is functional? | 16:01 |
| stephg | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/index.php?title=Adaptations/libhybris | 16:02 |
| stephg | the community is doing it's best to make them better too | 16:02 |
| Jef91 | No GPS on the nexus 4 :( | 16:03 |
| Pistos | Jef91: #feature | 16:04 |
| Jef91 | And the n5 is WAY too big. | 16:04 |
| Jef91 | Meh. In all honesty I'm addicted to a physical keyboard. | 16:04 |
| Jef91 | I actually have a N9 here somewhere as well that I don't use any more | 16:04 |
| Jef91 | because I like having a keyboard too much | 16:04 |
| tbr | Jef91: in canada apparently rogers has some places with matching LTE | 16:04 |
| Pistos | Jef91: I used to think that way, but I've pretty much gotten used to on-screen. Especially with some kind of swiping interface. | 16:04 |
| stephg | Jef91: sfos just about runs on that too again btw? | 16:05 |
| stephg | s/?// | 16:05 |
| stephg | if you want to try that | 16:05 |
| Jef91 | Pistos: I was using swype on the N9 for awhile | 16:05 |
| Jef91 | but it still isn't as good as real buttons | 16:05 |
| tbr | for shell access I still prefer a physical keyboard | 16:05 |
| Pistos | Well sure, who the heck would code or shell with an on-screen keyboard? heh | 16:05 |
| Pistos | I mean for basic English writing, like texting. | 16:05 |
| Pistos | But why would you code or shell from a phone... | 16:06 |
| Pistos | [often] | 16:06 |
| stephg | horses for courses | 16:06 |
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| stephg | anyway I am being pulled into a meeting | 16:06 |
| stephg | bbl | 16:06 |
| Jef91 | That keyboard attachment for the Jolla looks | 16:07 |
| Jef91 | sick | 16:07 |
| Jef91 | speaking off | 16:07 |
| Jef91 | hopefully that becomes real | 16:07 |
| lbt | Jef91: it's fully funded - no reason it won't be | 16:09 |
| Jef91 | awesome | 16:09 |
| Jef91 | now I just gotta hope the jolla works quickly in the US eventually | 16:09 |
| Jef91 | Need at least 3g | 16:09 |
| ryukafalz | I bought a Nexus 4 to use Sailfish personally. I'm sure it would be much better on an actual Jolla though :P | 16:11 |
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| lbt | it is :D | 16:14 |
| ryukafalz | It's not so bad on the N4 either, if you can get over the lack of bluetooth and GPS and camera and accelerometer... XD | 16:14 |
| ryukafalz | bluetooth especially, I want to use my pebble :> | 16:15 |
| Jef91 | urg | 16:17 |
| Jef91 | no camera | 16:17 |
| Jef91 | is a huge show stopper | 16:17 |
| Jef91 | maybe when my wife gets a new phone I'll scooped up her N4 | 16:17 |
| ryukafalz | yeah, I was trying to figure that one out yesterday, because the wiki says camera should work on mako: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris | 16:18 |
| ryukafalz | I might need to update my kernel or something | 16:18 |
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| artemma | Congrats with the announcement and super-mega-successful campaign! | 16:32 |
| * artemma hopes @JollaHQ can add batches quickly as old ones run out :) | 16:32 | |
| artemma | I have been out of the sailfishos news for a while. There is still nothing about paid or anyhow commercial apps, right? | 16:35 |
| SK_work | artemma: soon maybe ? | 16:35 |
| SK_work | nothing ... | 16:35 |
| SK_work | haha, another point to put on next meeting | 16:35 |
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| sandsmark | does the virtualbox instance used for building log anywhere? | 19:04 |
| sandsmark | to figure out why it keeps shutting down (possibly crashing) | 19:04 |
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| coderus | virtualbox crashing? | 19:14 |
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| sandsmark | I think so? | 19:20 |
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| bernte_ | Hi - is there a solution to have full-disk or at least home dir encryption on a Jolla phone? Does anyone have any pointers? | 19:45 |
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| sardini | :) | 19:58 |
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| coderus | bernte_: you can do it in linux-way, but you can't enter password before mounting partition to encrypt it :D | 20:02 |
| bernte_ | Ok - there is no off-the-shelf solution. Hmm - I rather would avoid walking around with all my precious data available for everyone should I loose my phone. | 20:03 |
| coderus | bernte_: devicelock is enough | 20:04 |
| coderus | bernte_: there are no exploits to mount locked phone or access data | 20:04 |
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| bernte_ | so, what there is no way to recover a phone where - by accident - I overwrite the root partition? It is then a brick? | 20:05 |
| tbr | bernte_: there is a recovery, but it honours device lock code | 20:06 |
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| coderus | bernte_: yes, you can't access device without code | 20:07 |
| coderus | only wipe | 20:07 |
| bernte_ | Ok - I think I get the message: trust the hardware that nobody will remove the flash disk from the phone. Is there a way to have a very strong code for when I switch the phone off - compared the simpler code that I enter when I just want to unlock from stand-by? | 20:08 |
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| coderus | devicelock code is the only one :) | 20:09 |
| coderus | you can modify lockscreen probably to ask some other code when phone is not locked completely | 20:10 |
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| coderus | but it will be autolocked by timeout and ask you devicelock code anyway | 20:10 |
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| coderus | there is only one solution developer by jolla | 20:11 |
| coderus | but its linux and you free to do everything you need and modify things for your wishes | 20:12 |
| bernte_ | Hmm - for me it is more a matter of having the data stored encrypted and typing in a passphrase when I boot the thing. All my gadgets (PC, Laptops, Tablets, Phones) work that way, but it looks like the system is different for Jolla. | 20:12 |
| coderus | and i see no reason to include these stong things to mobile device, devicelock code is enough | 20:13 |
| coderus | and yes, i think if you dont want to implement it yourself - you need some different device, not jolla | 20:13 |
| Nicd- | I would guess the chance of it being stolen by someone that has the capability to extract the flash from the hardware is pretty low | 20:13 |
| Nicd- | unless you are really paranoid | 20:13 |
| coderus | Yeah, paranoid or have top secret files on devices | 20:14 |
| coderus | in both cases jolla is not suitable for such things | 20:14 |
| coderus | ^ imho | 20:14 |
| coderus | it's linux and you free to create it yourself, if you want to do it of course | 20:14 |
| TemeV | I'd guess no smart phone is suitable for those | 20:14 |
| TemeV | after all, wire cutter is the only good enough firewall... and it doesn't really work for wireless devices :) | 20:15 |
| coderus | if you waiting company to do it - stay with your current solutions, but i doubt encryption on your PC, Laptob, Tablet and Phone is done by company who developed OS | 20:15 |
| coderus | it sould be 3rd party solutions | 20:16 |
| TemeV | well, windows, OS X and Ubuntu have encryption "out of the box" | 20:16 |
| TemeV | I don't know about how secure they are though | 20:16 |
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| bernte_ | I get the message - do it youself. Which might not be the worst solution. As linux has the main parts, the only question is if the kernel provided by Jolla already has support, and I need some way to type in the passphrase on boot. | 20:20 |
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| TemeV | bernte_: at the moment that is the only way, because Jolla's priorities are elsewhere | 20:22 |
| bernte_ | TemeV: Probably on that tablet that I supported today. | 20:23 |
| coderus | bernte_: kernel is kernel, ui for passphrase is not the harest part, you need to intercept boot process and stop it at some moment while password is not entered, and continue booting after password is entered. | 20:23 |
| coderus | jolla using systemd, so you can test it easily | 20:23 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, the new Jolla tablet might have AES-NI support in the CPU | 20:23 |
| M4rtinK | meaning hardware encryption support | 20:23 |
| M4rtinK | that could help a bit | 20:23 |
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| M4rtinK | coderus: it is usually done by initrd | 20:24 |
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| M4rtinK | coderus: it finds that rootfs or one oft the required partitions specified in fstab is encrypted and spawns a password entry dialog | 20:24 |
| TemeV | coderus: can you point me where in Mitäkuuluu source code I can copy paste notifications to my Telegramm app? | 20:24 |
| bernte_ | M4rtinK: Depend on whether I got for full disk or only home dir. | 20:24 |
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| M4rtinK | then once you enter the password, it mounts the partition and continues with boot | 20:25 |
| TemeV | I don't want to read all the code :) | 20:25 |
| M4rtinK | that's it | 20:25 |
| M4rtinK | should be possible to do the same on Jolla | 20:25 |
| coderus | M4rtinK: sure if you have text mode :D | 20:26 |
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| coderus | TemeV: like this: https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/blob/master/server/src/client.cpp#L3184 | 20:27 |
| M4rtinK | even midnight commander supports cursor clicks, still should be doable as long as you can get touch coordinates :) | 20:27 |
| TemeV | coderus: thanks a lot :) | 20:28 |
| coderus | M4rtinK: cursor clicks in text mode? | 20:28 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, why not :) | 20:29 |
| M4rtinK | if you can get some data from the touchscreen at that stage | 20:29 |
| coderus | M4rtinK: afaik it's doable only on terminal-emulator side | 20:29 |
| M4rtinK | if numbers are enough you just need a 3x3 grid & entry | 20:29 |
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| M4rtinK | should be doable with some ASCII art :) | 20:30 |
| M4rtinK | then just montor clicks, convert to numbers clicked, done :) | 20:30 |
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| coderus | okay | 20:31 |
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| M4rtinK | a total hack but doable :) | 20:35 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | soooo | 20:51 |
| tortoisedoc_ | sailfish 2.0 | 20:51 |
| tortoisedoc_ | when ? | 20:51 |
| tortoisedoc_ | jolla phone or only tablet? | 20:51 |
| tortoisedoc_ | :[ | 20:51 |
| tortoisedoc_ | all these questions.. | 20:51 |
| raa700_ | answer is probably yes, and/or soon | 20:51 |
| stephg | ningles! | 20:52 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | ningles? | 20:57 |
| stephg | well it's ningles somewhere, I guess | 20:58 |
| stephg | er, also <hastily> | 20:58 |
| stephg | eveningles! | 20:58 |
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| kimmoli | plop | 21:00 |
| tortoisedoc_ | plip | 21:00 |
| stephg | have you had a good slush kimmoli? | 21:00 |
| kimmoli | yes... | 21:01 |
| stephg | ...? | 21:01 |
| kimmoli | i have to stop drinking and ircing | 21:02 |
| stephg | story of my life ;) | 21:02 |
| kimmoli | but cant decide which i take out from equation | 21:02 |
| stephg | ouch | 21:02 |
| stephg | tough call | 21:02 |
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| kimmoli | proplly beer, have to go to work tomorroe | 21:03 |
| stephg | we all do | 21:05 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | kimmoli : irc and drink beer until you cant irc anymore | 21:06 |
| tortoisedoc_ | then go to sleep | 21:06 |
| tortoisedoc_ | beer will get you sleepy fast | 21:06 |
| tortoisedoc_ | you will irc for a while | 21:06 |
| tortoisedoc_ | ---> win/win situation | 21:06 |
| kimmoli | +1 | 21:06 |
| tortoisedoc_ | kimmoli : how was supercell afterparty | 21:07 |
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| kimmoli | i was not there | 21:09 |
| kimmoli | today is transfluent party | 21:09 |
| kimmoli | but we got outtracked from there too | 21:09 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | hmm | 21:32 |
| tortoisedoc_ | 12 hours of jolla tablet and 36 hours of nokia tablet and still no post on tomi ahonen blog | 21:33 |
| tortoisedoc_ | weird | 21:33 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | wow | 21:41 |
| tortoisedoc_ | almost 800K and counting :D | 21:41 |
| tortoisedoc_ | this is amazin | 21:41 |
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