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| tbr | Jonni: someone poked me on twitter, that they have the lock code problem. I asked them to join here and poke you AND be patient | 10:46 |
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| Jonni | roger | 10:46 |
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| Morpog_PC | hey coderus is it safe to update next week to update 9 with poewermenu installed? | 10:58 |
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| coderus | Morpog_PC: sure, you'll just reinstall powermenu after update. | 11:16 |
| casanunda | Hi all, I have a problem with my Jolla: Lockscreen shows "permanently locked" (limit for number of login attempts was set to 10, but it must have tried to unlock while in my pocket this morning). | 11:16 |
| casanunda | developer mode is enabled, ssh'ing into my phone is no problem. What can I do to get my phone back to working state? | 11:17 |
| tbr | casanunda: you'll want to talk to Jonni. He should be able to help you. e.g. if you can either get him ssh access to the phone or do a reverse ssh tunnel. | 11:18 |
| coderus | thats why 'm setting unlimited code guesses :D | 11:19 |
| casanunda | tbr: thanks for your hint. | 11:19 |
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| casanunda | coderus: yeah, maybe that idea is not too bad after all. I was thinking it was a good idea to have some extra protection for my data... | 11:21 |
| coderus | well, i enabled code protection because phone in my pocket unlocked itself very frequently, and i realized from beginning it can fail 10 guesses. | 11:24 |
| casanunda | at least I should set the limit much higher once my phone works again... | 11:26 |
| coderus | you dont think it will be locked permanently again? :D | 11:26 |
| casanunda | usually I don't have problems with accidental unlocking. So far.... | 11:27 |
| casanunda | today I was working with a vibrating plate while having the phone in my pocket. looks like this confused my dear Jolla... :D | 11:27 |
| kimmoli | it should ask for "enter PIN 1234567890 to continue entering wrong lock codes" after 5 fails | 11:29 |
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| tbr | kimmoli: yeah, I had some suggestions on how to avoid 10 consecutive identical fails | 11:29 |
| kimmoli | i remember our discussion around it | 11:30 |
| coderus | tbr: yeah, like "enter blackberry" to continue :) | 11:31 |
| casanunda | that discussion sounded very theoretical to me until this morning ;) | 11:31 |
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| kimmoli | quote Jaakko Roppola "it's not impossible, just improbable" | 11:43 |
| SpeedEvil | I have managed (with my nexus 7) to slide-unlock, and purchase an app. | 11:46 |
| SpeedEvil | With my leg - in my pocket | 11:46 |
| SpeedEvil | Fortunately, I managed to catch it in the 15 min refund window | 11:46 |
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| casanunda | not bad ;) | 11:50 |
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| casanunda | tbr: did you have to reflash your device when you had the same problem, or could Jonni do some "magic"? | 11:52 |
| coderus | they are magicans afaik :) | 11:52 |
| casanunda | sounds good... | 11:53 |
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| tbr | casanunda: it should be possible to recover. it will help if you have the unlock code at hand. | 11:58 |
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| casanunda | hmm, unlock code? was that provided with the phone? or do you mean the normal code I SHOULD have entered while my phone tried to unlock itself? | 12:00 |
| tbr | yes, the latter | 12:00 |
| casanunda | ah, ok. That one is easier ;) | 12:01 |
| tbr | all you can do right now is patiently wait for Jonni to show up. :) | 12:01 |
| casanunda | not easy to be patient.... ;) | 12:02 |
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| tbr | lbt_at_xda: yohoho, how's binary-patching-con? ;) | 12:04 |
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| casanunda | in the meantime, firing up my good old N900 once more to bring it back to life... | 12:06 |
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| casanunda | tbr: magic indeed! Thanks for pointing me in the right direction (to the right person...) Jonni indeed could help me. | 12:55 |
| tbr | \o/ | 12:55 |
| casanunda | This was a classic case of "aw, stupid Jolla phone destroys itself" followed by "wow, great community help" ;) | 12:56 |
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| casanunda | now I can send my good old N900 back to sleep... ;) | 12:57 |
| tbr | without developer mode it would have been a bit more complicated | 12:57 |
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| casanunda | oh yeah, quite sure about that. On this phone developer mode is actually essential | 12:59 |
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| casanunda | number of attempts set to "unlimited" now... ;) | 13:03 |
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| javispedro | someone will have to show me around OBSs _service files some days.. | 13:49 |
| javispedro | or at least a pointer to where this stuff is documented | 13:49 |
| javispedro | hm | 13:50 |
| javispedro | ok, adding quotes in google helped :) | 13:50 |
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| lbt_at_xda | tbr: haha ,,, it's pretty good | 13:57 |
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| tbr | lbt_at_xda: nice :) | 14:07 |
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| kimmoli | hoo , finally my device started to shutdown and reboot suddenly \o/ | 15:37 |
| Venemo | kimmoli: why the \o/ | 15:39 |
| Venemo | kimmoli: you almost make it sound like good news | 15:39 |
| kimmoli | yes it is | 15:39 |
| kimmoli | i have been really waiting for this | 15:39 |
| * kimmoli is happy :) | 15:39 | |
| kimmoli | am i only one? | 15:40 |
| Morpog_PC | kimmoli, paper battery trick? | 15:41 |
| faenil | Morpog_PC: I guess he wants to debug it ;) | 15:41 |
| faenil | or "troubleshoot it" is maybe a better term in this case :) | 15:41 |
| Morpog_PC | ah :D | 15:42 |
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| kimmoli | i need to see first does it escalate | 15:51 |
| Nightmare__ | http://devstreaming.apple.com/videos/wwdc/2014/715xx4loqo5can9/715/715_user_privacy_in_ios_and_os_x.pdf <-- page 18, would be really nice for sailfish | 15:59 |
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| Nightmare__ | oh there is already a tpoic an j2g: https://together.jolla.com/question/45032/random-mac-address-while-scanning-for-wireless-networks/ | 16:01 |
| Morpog_PC | kimmoli, normaly it does without removing battery | 16:01 |
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| faenil | kimmoli: mine switched off twice since I've bought it (i.e. Jolla's launch) | 16:03 |
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| kimmoli | i just created a facebook account for testing, but do i need to create another to get some notifications (?) | 19:35 |
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| javispedro | kimmoli: trying to get notifications? | 21:13 |
| kimmoli | yeah | 21:13 |
| kimmoli | got some more | 21:14 |
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| javispedro | are you trying to capture system notifications in order to send to the OLED TOH or similar? | 21:15 |
| javispedro | if so, how are you doing it, ooi? | 21:15 |
| javispedro | or is it just a facebook thing? :) | 21:16 |
| kimmoli | i did find some code from the internet... :) smokku pebble | 21:16 |
| javispedro | heh :) | 21:17 |
| javispedro | kimmoli: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1439853&postcount=132 or you will cause duplicate notifications | 21:17 |
| javispedro | basically you have to make the class that contains the Notify slot a child of QDBusContext | 21:18 |
| javispedro | and then call setDelayedReply(true); within the Notify slot | 21:18 |
| javispedro | some examples on how to do the required multiple inheratance are in qt docs, http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.8/qdbuscontext.html | 21:18 |
| kimmoli | that looks familiar snippet | 21:20 |
| javispedro | oh, he may have commited it in a recent update | 21:20 |
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| kimmoli | https://github.com/smokku/pebble/blob/master/daemon/notificationmanager.cpp#L123 | 21:21 |
| javispedro | yep, yesterday :) | 21:21 |
| javispedro | ok, ignore me :) | 21:21 |
| kimmoli | but... i'm getting them double still to my app | 21:21 |
| javispedro | if you're trying to get a count of notifications in some way it's going to be difficult with this method | 21:21 |
| javispedro | ie if you receive two mails from the mail app you will get two notifications, the first one being about the first mail, but the second one will have sth like "two unread mails" | 21:22 |
| javispedro | is that what you're getting? | 21:23 |
| kimmoli | i show just "if any" | 21:23 |
| javispedro | then it should be ok | 21:23 |
| kimmoli | commhistoryd sends double from instant-messagins | 21:24 |
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| javispedro | hm | 21:25 |
| javispedro | you edbug those using facebook, right? | 21:25 |
| ryukafalz | Anyone know if there's been any progress on bluez5 in sailfish lately? | 21:25 |
| kimmoli | i use google and sms | 21:25 |
| * ryukafalz wants to use pebble/metawatch apps so very much but can't :( | 21:25 | |
| kimmoli | and facebook (earlier but my tester-person went to sleep :) | 21:26 |
| javispedro | ryukafalz: hm? none of the pebble/mw apps require bluez5 | 21:26 |
| ryukafalz | javispedro: Right, but my hardware does afaik | 21:26 |
| ryukafalz | rather, it doesn't work with bluez4 | 21:26 |
| javispedro | ryukafalz: that would be surprising, which hardware? | 21:26 |
| ryukafalz | javispedro: mako | 21:26 |
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| ryukafalz | unless I'm misunderstanding something | 21:27 |
| javispedro | mako ~= nexus 4? | 21:28 |
| * ryukafalz nods | 21:28 | |
| javispedro | it's probably worse than that, you may require bluedroid.. | 21:28 |
| ryukafalz | well, I did see something lately that indicated bluez5 has support for it | 21:28 |
| javispedro | ryukafalz: could you dig that up? :) | 21:29 |
| ryukafalz | sure, I'll take a look | 21:29 |
| javispedro | last I heard Stskeeps was even considering moving to bluedroid because some manufactures now ship only bluedroid binaries... | 21:29 |
| ryukafalz | javispedro: not the one I was thinking of, but aosp-bluez supports it, and that uses bluez5 https://code.google.com/p/aosp-bluez/ | 21:29 |
| * ryukafalz continues looking for the previous post | 21:29 | |
| javispedro | I some that they patch the kernel with lots of bluetooth patches | 21:30 |
| javispedro | in fact... all of the patches listed there are bt related, heh | 21:30 |
| javispedro | s/I some/I see | 21:30 |
| ryukafalz | I personally would rather see mer/sfos stay as close as possible to upstream linux, but if that results in a lack of hardware support then... yeah | 21:30 |
| javispedro | I don't know much about HADK but maybe you actually need kernel changes, not bluez changes | 21:31 |
| javispedro | e.g. ../misc/patches-backports/0003-Add-HCI-SMD.patch (needed for Nexus 4,7) | 21:31 |
| ryukafalz | http://www.bluez.org/bluez-for-android-status-update/ <- what I was thinking of before, it references aosp-bluez | 21:31 |
| ryukafalz | hmm | 21:32 |
| javispedro | android bluez is basically bluez exporting the android API | 21:32 |
| javispedro | totally useless on jolla because the android bt API is not used | 21:32 |
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| ryukafalz | ahh | 21:32 |
| ryukafalz | I'm not really too knowledgeable about how bluetooth on linux/android works, do you know of any good resources I could look at to get a high-level overview? | 21:33 |
| javispedro | if you want to play with this I'd try the bt backported patches that are listed in the aosp-bluez page | 21:33 |
| javispedro | basically most if not all bluetooth hardware speaks a protocol called HCI | 21:33 |
| javispedro | serial | 21:33 |
| javispedro | on bluetooth stacks the kernel needs to have both the serial driver that provides the HCI interface, and net/bluetooth/* files which are the ones that speak the HCI protocol over that serial interface | 21:34 |
| javispedro | s/on bluetooth stacks/on bluez stacks/ | 21:34 |
| javispedro | now the bluez user-space side does the management-y tasks such as keeping the keys of paired devices, etc. but it's not actually required to open unecrypted sockets over bluetooth | 21:35 |
| javispedro | on bluez4 the communication between user-space (bluetoothd) and kernel-side was in the form of HCI messages, but from bluez5 onwards they use a more high-level protocol called "mgmtops" | 21:36 |
| javispedro | ^^the above should be enough to at least get started googling :) | 21:36 |
| ryukafalz | Thanks, that's helpful :) | 21:37 |
| javispedro | bluedroid is totally different beast and I understand the kernel does the bare minimum, and most work is done by bluedroid user-space... in manufacturer specific binaries... | 21:38 |
| ryukafalz | =/ | 21:38 |
| ryukafalz | if that's the case I would very much like to avoid bluedroid, heh | 21:38 |
| ryukafalz | it looks like bluedroid does have some support for HCI though? | 21:39 |
| javispedro | probably, most hardware is HCI | 21:39 |
| ryukafalz | I'm curious why something would work with bluedroid but not with bluez4 then | 21:39 |
| ryukafalz | if the protocol is standardized | 21:39 |
| javispedro | albeit they may have "extensions" or even propietary initialization sequences | 21:40 |
| ryukafalz | ahh... welp | 21:40 |
| javispedro | I suspect though that the missing part is actually the " the serial driver that provides the HCI interface " from my brief explanation above | 21:40 |
| javispedro | so the net/bluetooth/* just can't find the hci interface to connect to, and bluedroid may use some non-standard way to get to it | 21:41 |
| javispedro | but I have no nexus to tell :) | 21:41 |
| ryukafalz | hmm | 21:41 |
| ryukafalz | haha, fair enough | 21:41 |
| javispedro | that's why I suggested the kernel patches | 21:41 |
| ryukafalz | So would bluez5 use the same HCI interface as bluez4? Just with additional higher-level stuff on top of that? | 21:42 |
| javispedro | from kernel side yes | 21:42 |
| javispedro | s/from kernel side// :) | 21:43 |
| ryukafalz | Ahh, alright, so yeah it sounds like those kernel patches may indeed help | 21:43 |
| javispedro | UNLESS they're already in CM, in which case I have no idea and you're fscked :) | 21:43 |
| javispedro | but since I suppose they break bluedroid, they may not be in CM | 21:44 |
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| ryukafalz | well the sailfish port is also using an old version of CM, right | 21:46 |
| ryukafalz | ? | 21:46 |
| ryukafalz | 10.1 | 21:46 |
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| ryukafalz | so even if they are in CM, it could be a newer version of CM | 21:46 |
| javispedro | maybe it even has net/bluetooth/* disabled in config... | 21:46 |
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| ryukafalz | I'll have to look into how one would recompile a kernel for mer/hybris, I'd imagine it's a bit more involved than on a traditional x86 machine | 21:46 |
| javispedro | ask in -porters during european daytime hours :) | 21:46 |
| ryukafalz | at the very least I need some sort of cross-compiler, no way am I compiling it on the phone :P | 21:46 |
| ryukafalz | yeah, I'll have to do that | 21:46 |
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| ryukafalz | actually, isn't the config for my current kernel stored somewhere on disk? | 21:48 |
| * ryukafalz pokes around | 21:48 | |
| javispedro | /proc/config.gz or /proc/config usually | 21:48 |
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| ryukafalz | yup, there it is | 21:49 |
| ryukafalz | I'll have to take a look at it once I have a microusb cable handy to pull it | 21:49 |
| merlin1991 | hey javispedro, in your latest commit to salmeta you changed the image path in qml/watch/faces/builtinface4.qml now the ui displays the watchface #3 instead of #4 | 21:52 |
| javispedro | oh? :P | 21:53 |
| merlin1991 | yep https://gitorious.org/javispedro-jolla-misc/salmeta/source/327dab50c887d2818cac9109049bf5fc1f391a17:qml/watch/faces/builtinface4.qml#L9 :D | 21:53 |
| * javispedro curses | 21:53 | |
| javispedro | I even know _how_ this happened | 21:53 |
| javispedro | stupid cp | 21:54 |
| javispedro | (and stupid me obviously) | 21:54 |
| javispedro | well, ignore me | 21:54 |
| javispedro | merlin1991: by the way I think I'll put some preview on the addwidget dialog thus go back to the larger listdelegate height :) | 21:54 |
| javispedro | but still deciding | 21:55 |
| merlin1991 | ah yeah and for some reason builtinface1.qml also has the #3 image | 21:55 |
| javispedro | merlin1991: that's because I didn't have any screenshot nearby of watchface #1 :) | 21:55 |
| javispedro | nor 0 | 21:55 |
| merlin1991 | but #0 does have the #0 png path ;) | 21:56 |
| javispedro | *sigh* it's a hot day today :) | 21:57 |
| javispedro | thanks! :) | 21:57 |
| javispedro | btw, you may ponder why all the .qml files instead of directly linking the png files.. | 21:58 |
| javispedro | the idea still is to have .qml widgets in the future | 21:58 |
| javispedro | that's why :) | 21:58 |
| kimmoli | äh "This remarkable engineering trick " | 21:59 |
| javispedro | kimmoli: " | 21:59 |
| javispedro | iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus use two accelerometers for better power management " ? :) | 21:59 |
| kimmoli | yes | 21:59 |
| kimmoli | cant open that chipworks page, just empty | 22:00 |
| javispedro | I've seen many hw with two symmetric accelerometers, but admitedly never one with asymmetric ones :P | 22:00 |
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| javispedro | same here, chipworks returns empty page | 22:02 |
| kimmoli | but using two parts to measure same parameter with different features is nothing remarkable | 22:04 |
| javispedro | this is basically the same idea as with the dark silicon problem.. | 22:04 |
| kimmoli | haa. batteryissue escalates quickly. battery was at ~40%, and suddenly bleeps that it is low | 22:10 |
| kimmoli | 9%, display on 4%, > long beeep and shutdown | 22:10 |
| kimmoli | i was too slow ;( | 22:12 |
| kimmoli | syys 28 01:06:59 Jolla harbour-toholed[6270]: Charger connected | 22:12 |
| kimmoli | syys 28 01:06:59 Jolla DSME[538]: state: Battery empty shutdown! | 22:12 |
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| louisdk | kimmoli, had the same error. Pretty annoying. | 22:24 |
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