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| walokra | can you sign in to harbour? pressing sign in just refreshes the screen | 07:55 |
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| Naranek | walokra: nope. same here | 08:00 |
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| tortoisedoc | arrr yer old fleabags | 08:08 |
| tortoisedoc | has anyone else experienced problems signing into harbour lately? | 08:08 |
| tortoisedoc | i myself cant seem to be able to | 08:08 |
| walokra | just asked about it :) | 08:09 |
| walokra | and yes, can't sign in | 08:09 |
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| tortoisedoc | walokra : exactlu | 08:10 |
| tortoisedoc | walokra : exactly | 08:10 |
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| tortoisedoc | ie makes it all the way to the username / pw page | 08:10 |
| tortoisedoc | firefox not even there | 08:10 |
| walokra | there seems to be some js error atleast | 08:11 |
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| tortoisedoc | damn | 08:12 |
| tortoisedoc | was looking forward to do some update s:/ | 08:12 |
| walokra | i was looking to gather app stats for my graphs | 08:12 |
| walokra | well, haven't done it daily anyways | 08:13 |
| tortoisedoc | I guess something is boiling @ jolla.. | 08:14 |
| tortoisedoc | which could translate into update? :D | 08:14 |
| cameris | :P | 08:15 |
| walokra | harbour updates haven't been on todo list lately | 08:21 |
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| sergot | hi o/ I'm new here, have just bought Jolla Phone. :) | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | welcome o/ | 09:34 |
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| SpeedEvil | :) | 09:49 |
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| sergot | I don't know if it is a "known issue" but a friend of mine understood "selfishOS" instead of "sailfishOS" yesterday :) | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 09:51 |
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| tbr | could also be a shellfish ;) | 09:54 |
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| sergot | or sellfish... :) | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | my preciouss | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:57 |
| r0kk3rz | sailfish is an uncommon word | 09:58 |
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| r0kk3rz | anyone know of any good resources for DBus service implementation for sailfish? | 10:07 |
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| tortoisedoc | r0kk3rz : any qt-based dbus service implementation sample will do | 10:10 |
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| r0kk3rz | thats what I thought, but i'm obviously missing something | 10:11 |
| r0kk3rz | dbus knows about the service, but doesnt get the interface name | 10:11 |
| r0kk3rz | and introspect returns but doesnt show any of my methods | 10:12 |
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| coderus | r0kk3rz: Q_CLASSINFO("D-Bus Interface", "harbour.mitakuuluu2.server") | 10:12 |
| coderus | thats it | 10:12 |
| coderus | https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/blob/master/server/src/client.h#L117 | 10:13 |
| coderus | and of course: https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/blob/master/server/src/client.h#L117 | 10:13 |
| coderus | https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/blob/master/server/src/client.cpp#L188 | 10:13 |
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| r0kk3rz | do you use sessionbus.connect() at all? | 10:20 |
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| r0kk3rz | ah | 10:23 |
| r0kk3rz | i think i misunderstood what that method actually does | 10:23 |
| r0kk3rz | i was missing the QDBusConnection::ExportAllSlots in the register object method | 10:25 |
| r0kk3rz | is there any way to alias method names for dbus? | 10:29 |
| r0kk3rz | or will I have to write a separate class | 10:31 |
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| SfietKonstantin | ping matrixx ? | 11:31 |
| SfietKonstantin | I will push some changes to truly-yours, is it ok ? | 11:31 |
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| kimmoli | SfietKonstantin: just asking why you included spec in repo? | 12:45 |
| * kimmoli is lurking | 12:45 | |
| SfietKonstantin | kimmoli: removed it | 12:46 |
| SfietKonstantin | error | 12:46 |
| SfietKonstantin | now | 12:46 |
| SfietKonstantin | better perfs plz | 12:46 |
| SfietKonstantin | :) | 12:46 |
| kimmoli | i have to learn using xml2cpp thingy | 12:46 |
| SfietKonstantin | don't learn | 12:48 |
| SfietKonstantin | use once, copy everywhere :P | 12:48 |
| SfietKonstantin | developing on a core i7 is so cool | 12:54 |
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| SfietKonstantin | much faster and easier than on the laptop | 12:54 |
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| SaberAltria | How to make a flow + repeater do cache buffer or make the cellwidth of gridview fit to content ? | 13:00 |
| SfietKonstantin | SaberAltria: cannot | 13:01 |
| SfietKonstantin | sorry | 13:01 |
| SfietKonstantin | there is no flow + cache thing :( | 13:01 |
| r0kk3rz | you can make it dynamically fit to the screen size though | 13:02 |
| r0kk3rz | little bit of a complex example, but this does it: https://github.com/r0kk3rz/sailfish-alphabet-sort | 13:03 |
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| SaberAltria | how about make the cellwidth of gridview fit to content ? | 13:08 |
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| SfietKonstantin | SaberAltria: what are you trying to do ? | 13:08 |
| SfietKonstantin | (don't think it would work) | 13:08 |
| SfietKonstantin | (to resize cell width | 13:09 |
| SfietKonstantin | beucase IIRC you cannot | 13:09 |
| SaberAltria | Now I am using flicable + flow + repeater | 13:09 |
| SaberAltria | to make something like this | 13:09 |
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| SaberAltria | https://openrepos.net/sites/default/files/packages/2397/screenshot-20140902070501.jpg | 13:10 |
| SaberAltria | The length of the text in the cell of gridview is dynamic | 13:10 |
| SaberAltria | That is why I cannot use a gridview | 13:10 |
| SaberAltria | but the combination of flickable + flow + repeater is a bit lag in creating hundred of cell component | 13:11 |
| SaberAltria | <r0kk3rz> your solution is to caculate th position of the children components and hide the invisible elements ? | 13:13 |
| r0kk3rz | its not really *my* solution | 13:15 |
| r0kk3rz | most of that code I didnt write, more hacked out of the implementation in the people app | 13:15 |
| SaberAltria | ops | 13:16 |
| r0kk3rz | just thought you might be able to find your answer in there | 13:16 |
| r0kk3rz | as for the root menu it uses a gridview and repeater | 13:16 |
| r0kk3rz | but instead of using a gridview, you can use rows and columns, should give you more flexibillity | 13:17 |
| SfietKonstantin | SaberAltria: question, why not using flow + repeater ? | 13:20 |
| SaberAltria | but by using rows and columns, how could I do something like buffering? I want to go for GridView is that it has a cache system... | 13:20 |
| SfietKonstantin | directly ? | 13:20 |
| SfietKonstantin | SaberAltria: buffering ? | 13:21 |
| SfietKonstantin | what do you mean ? | 13:21 |
| SaberAltria | the buffercache function of listview and gridview | 13:21 |
| SfietKonstantin | actually with row column grid flow, you will have ALL the delagetes all the time | 13:21 |
| SaberAltria | Yes | 13:21 |
| SfietKonstantin | why do you need the "cache" ? | 13:21 |
| SfietKonstantin | these are just some labels | 13:21 |
| SfietKonstantin | that won't take much memory | 13:21 |
| SfietKonstantin | you need cache if you have something like huge images | 13:21 |
| SaberAltria | Because it will create hundred of label at a same time | 13:22 |
| SfietKonstantin | matrixx's truly-yours app is doing it wrong for example ;) | 13:22 |
| SfietKonstantin | SaberAltria: created, yep | 13:22 |
| SfietKonstantin | but not rendered | 13:22 |
| SfietKonstantin | don't forget that rendering is scenegraph controlled | 13:22 |
| SaberAltria | Yup | 13:22 |
| r0kk3rz | you can control how much is displayed at once through your datamodel | 13:22 |
| SfietKonstantin | at best, you would have a bunch of objects (let's say 100) | 13:22 |
| SaberAltria | SK, but the listModel is continous changing | 13:23 |
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| SfietKonstantin | containing some props, and at best 4-5 chars | 13:23 |
| SfietKonstantin | SaberAltria: and ? | 13:23 |
| SfietKonstantin | is this a problem ? | 13:23 |
| SaberAltria | so everytime the user input something it should re-render | 13:23 |
| SaberAltria | and at that moment it lag | 13:23 |
| SfietKonstantin | aah | 13:23 |
| SfietKonstantin | hum | 13:23 |
| SaberAltria | but after the creation then good | 13:23 |
| SfietKonstantin | I think you are right | 13:24 |
| SfietKonstantin | it renders everything | 13:24 |
| SfietKonstantin | hum ... | 13:24 |
| SaberAltria | Yes it renders everything at once but I remember that listview and gridview don't do that | 13:24 |
| SfietKonstantin | SaberAltria: tried QtQuick C++ ? :D | 13:24 |
| SfietKonstantin | it is SUPER PAINFUL and will break at next version | 13:25 |
| SfietKonstantin | but that's the best solution :( | 13:25 |
| SfietKonstantin | yep, listview and gridviews have the cache system | 13:25 |
| SaberAltria | I try my very best to avoid doing that..... | 13:25 |
| SfietKonstantin | but it is because they have constraints on how they layout stuff | 13:25 |
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| SaberAltria | Any hacking I can do ? | 13:25 |
| SfietKonstantin | especially, they know what will be on any line | 13:26 |
| SfietKonstantin | SaberAltria: I think that resizable grids can be used | 13:26 |
| SfietKonstantin | dynamically set the size of the grid ? | 13:26 |
| marxistvegan | any of you folks hack the nexus 4 or 5? | 13:26 |
| marxistvegan | with sailfishos? | 13:26 |
| SaberAltria | WOW resizable grids - new vocabulary for me | 13:26 |
| SfietKonstantin | SaberAltria: I mean, change the gridWidth based on input ? | 13:27 |
| SfietKonstantin | SaberAltria: use QFontMetrics to check in which width you need to fit the largest string | 13:27 |
| SfietKonstantin | and divide your grid into a number of columns that suits | 13:27 |
| SfietKonstantin | marxistvegan: sledges, vgrade are your man | 13:27 |
| SaberAltria | SK but same question, Could Grid do some kinds of caching ? | 13:29 |
| marxistvegan | SfietKonstantin: thanks I am curious at this point to get a used one and wondering if the 5 is worth the slightly extra cost over the 4 | 13:30 |
| SfietKonstantin | https://qt-project.org/wiki/How_to_create_columns_in_a_QML_ListView | 13:30 |
| SfietKonstantin | SaberAltria: ^ | 13:30 |
| SfietKonstantin | GridView | 13:30 |
| marxistvegan | sledges: vgrade just curious of the experience with sailfishos running on a nexus 4 or 5 and if one is better than the other | 13:30 |
| SfietKonstantin | marxistvegan: well, I'm not the ebst to answer here: used to average specs | 13:30 |
| SfietKonstantin | (got N950, N9 and Jolla) | 13:31 |
| SfietKonstantin | (and Nexus 7, but I didn't feel the super über specs are really worthy) | 13:31 |
| marxistvegan | SfietKonstantin: i have the n9 and the lack of the kernel upgrade seems to be the biggest hold on it | 13:31 |
| SfietKonstantin | marxistvegan: not only kernel | 13:32 |
| SfietKonstantin | but also wayland | 13:32 |
| marxistvegan | SfietKonstantin: what do you mean? | 13:32 |
| SfietKonstantin | marxistvegan: wayland isn't pretty stable on the N9 is it ? | 13:32 |
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| marxistvegan | SfietKonstantin: I am not entirely sure, I think cause of the lack of a new kernel that the last stable version for the n9 is from january, I think the reason wayland does not run well is the kernel, but I am not hacking on it so I am likely speculating | 13:34 |
| Sail0r | hm how to compile buteo-sync-plugin-caldav | 13:34 |
| Sail0r | there are no devel packages for these: http://fpaste.org/131503/10522141/ | 13:35 |
| SfietKonstantin | marxistvegan: ha maybe | 13:35 |
| SfietKonstantin | Sail0r: how are you compiling it ? | 13:36 |
| Sail0r | added the project to the sailfish qt creator | 13:36 |
| Sail0r | and try to build it | 13:36 |
| SfietKonstantin | hum | 13:36 |
| SfietKonstantin | one sec | 13:36 |
| Sail0r | deploy by building a rpm package | 13:36 |
| sledges | marxistvegan: nexus4 has rounded screen edges and you can also attempt to take a photo, but it has a lag bug for ~1min after wakeup. nexus5 instead has bluetooth working, and is actively maintained (no camera yet). so i can't compare the speedup newer hardware gives to n5, because sailfish is flying on both | 13:37 |
| marxistvegan | sledges: really cool, that is good to know...and if I read correctly they will continue to be maintained as platforms for sailfish? | 13:37 |
| sledges | community is amazing, did nearly all nexus5 work so far | 13:38 |
| marxistvegan | sledges: sweet...I think next week I will try to get my hands on one | 13:39 |
| sledges | yep, keep an eye on https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris | 13:39 |
| SfietKonstantin | Sail0r: zypper in mkcal-qt5-devel buteo-syncfw-qt5-devel signon-plugin-oauth2-qt5-devel libsocialcache-devel | 13:39 |
| SfietKonstantin | sledges: you just found all the packages where pkgconfig don't match the name :D | 13:39 |
| marxistvegan | sledges: bookmarked! thank you I was going to ask if there was a table of development | 13:39 |
| marxistvegan | really psyched on targeting existing hardware as an entry point to sailfish | 13:40 |
| sledges | spread the good news marxistvegan , thanks! | 13:40 |
| SfietKonstantin | Sail0r: what is interesting is that caldav plugin has a dep on socialcache | 13:40 |
| SfietKonstantin | Oo | 13:40 |
| Sail0r | SfietKonstantin: ok only 2 missing libkcalcoren-qt5 and still socialcache | 13:40 |
| SfietKonstantin | libsocialcache-devel don't provide it ? | 13:41 |
| marxistvegan | sledges: am I correct in thinking that sailfishOS is floss but Jolla is not? | 13:41 |
| SfietKonstantin | Sail0r: zypper se kcalcoren ? | 13:41 |
| SfietKonstantin | marxistvegan: not exactly, nemo is oss | 13:41 |
| SfietKonstantin | sailfish includes jolla custom ui (not oss) | 13:42 |
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| Sail0r | http://fpaste.org/131504/14100109/ | 13:42 |
| marxistvegan | SfietKonstantin: ahh ok and is nemo development close and functional on the other devices? | 13:42 |
| Sail0r | ok maybe libsocialcache is too old for this version | 13:43 |
| SfietKonstantin | marxistvegan: not exactly | 13:44 |
| SfietKonstantin | there are some ui work, but it is fully functional :( | 13:44 |
| marxistvegan | SfietKonstantin: ok cool | 13:45 |
| * marxistvegan is just really psyched to see the maemo/meego development continues on still misses his n900 | 13:46 | |
| coderus | r0kk3rz: you can make dbus adaptor class, or just maek export objects Q_SCRIPTABLE and use QDBusConnection::ExportScriptableContents | 13:47 |
| * marxistvegan notices the Galaxy Nexus is pretty far advanced on features with sailfishos | 13:53 | |
| sledges | thanks to its awesome maintainer;) | 13:53 |
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| r0kk3rz | coderus: thanks I found that, got something working nicely now | 13:57 |
| r0kk3rz | made an adaptor class, nicely seperates my base class from the dbus API | 13:58 |
| r0kk3rz | since theres a lot of required methods/properties on this standard interface that my music player doesnt have yet | 13:58 |
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| zGrr | moin :) | 14:05 |
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| Aciid | uh is there any speculation why sailfishos is not opensource | 14:15 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm sure there's a few theories but it comes down to industry understanding of that open sourcing = giving away assets.. it's always a tough balance when you're doing SW and having leverage | 14:17 |
| Nicd- | it is mostly open source | 14:17 |
| Aciid | I for one would still keep buyin jolla for the hardware | 14:18 |
| Aciid | I don't think its giving away assets. most of the features are pretty transparent, anyone could copy it. | 14:19 |
| r0kk3rz | its the same issue that android is facing | 14:19 |
| r0kk3rz | if full open source, then its easy to fork | 14:19 |
| Aciid | I don't mind propertiary blobs here and there, if most of the code would be open | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | Aciid: copying is easy, productization is hard | 14:20 |
| Aciid | like modem blobs etc are usually "propertiary" | 14:20 |
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| Aciid | well we are seeing that neo900 is still pushing, openmoko phones were just plain crap. | 14:21 |
| Aciid | Jolla has gone to the length to get TEKES funding and investors | 14:21 |
| Aciid | so with money pretty much everything can be solved right? | 14:21 |
| Stskeeps | money helps. | 14:21 |
| Stskeeps | doesn't solve everything | 14:21 |
| tbr | also it's not just giving away assets, it's asserting and exercising control | 14:24 |
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| Stskeeps | tbr: ugh, i just remembered i forgot to answer on tjc re silica | 14:25 |
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| tbr | Stskeeps: :> | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | funny how the mind works.. | 14:26 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: while we're talking open sourcing, how about the messaging UI? there are people interested in adding features and contributing | 14:26 |
| tbr | telepathy is a very powerful framework that wants to be used | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | well i certainly can appreciate the idea of pluginability to it | 14:27 |
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| tbr | there are all sorts of protocol features. "is typing", file sending, ... | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 14:28 |
| tbr | you could even have screen sharing and joining Lync meetings (once that code is integrated) | 14:28 |
| Aciid | native SIP and call it a day | 14:28 |
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| Stskeeps | this needs cleaning.. | 14:29 |
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| tbr | Aciid: that's already there | 14:31 |
| tbr | Aciid: it would need some integration work by jolla engineers, who promised to help and I offered them test accounts and help. As of yet there is nothing. | 14:31 |
| tbr | well nothing, the state of things is on TJC | 14:32 |
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| tbr | Aciid: this is now a case where the community has actually done quite some work (as requested by jolla), but things are stalling as jolla and its engineers are busy with something else. | 14:35 |
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| Aciid | y, I think once the company gets a stable position in a few years we can actuall expect true opensource | 14:38 |
| Aciid | now its just a marketing term and I feel that im being cheated | 14:38 |
| tbr | well at least the "truly open" seems gone from marketing | 14:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Opensource doesn't have to win. | 14:40 |
| SpeedEvil | Don't expect that it will automatically do so. | 14:40 |
| r0kk3rz | until theres a reasonable size ecosystem worth being compatible with | 14:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Indeed. | 14:41 |
| SpeedEvil | For linux that is the case. | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | ironically android started out as quite open source and is now closing.. | 14:41 |
| SpeedEvil | For phones - not so much. | 14:41 |
| r0kk3rz | there would be nothing stopping say samsung, forking sailfish and producing their own incompatible version | 14:41 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: might want to kick your fakebook handlers though, says truly open still there | 14:41 |
| r0kk3rz | thats a big risk for jolla | 14:41 |
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| Stskeeps | tbr: hmm i guess that goes to cybette's desk | 14:41 |
| r0kk3rz | they may make tizen phones anyway, but at least they arent using jollas own effort to that end | 14:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Don't forget the new watch. | 14:42 |
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| HBP_ | r0kk3rz: yeah so better to lose the game than give away open source to them :] | 14:44 |
| zGrr | Do you know of any opensource company that lost the business because someone forked their project? | 14:45 |
| zGrr | I cannot recall any. | 14:45 |
| HBP_ | it's sad that most of the business world is only interested in open source if no one else can benefit or if someone else is paying the job | 14:45 |
| tbr | zGrr: that's hard to say | 14:45 |
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| r0kk3rz | android | 14:45 |
| Stskeeps | just recall that it depends on the field.. if the world is hungering for an alternative to let's say, android or ios, somebody with a lot of muscle can do a lot of damage against a smaller player. | 14:45 |
| SpeedEvil | It also depends if the definition expands to include copies. | 14:46 |
| r0kk3rz | amazon forked android, china has forked android | 14:46 |
| Stskeeps | by taking over the agenda | 14:46 |
| tbr | zGrr: there are some unclear cases where companies wanted either to take a project or the name into a direction where the community disagreed | 14:46 |
| r0kk3rz | theres lost business | 14:46 |
| zGrr | r0kk3rz: you mean google? | 14:46 |
| r0kk3rz | more or less | 14:46 |
| zGrr | why projects go opensource in the first place? | 14:46 |
| HBP_ | well monty program is hardly making any money :) | 14:47 |
| r0kk3rz | community involement | 14:47 |
| zGrr | I spoke to the head of one successful opensource project and he had different reasoning. | 14:47 |
| zGrr | he said, he have chosen opensource because of intelectual property protection. | 14:47 |
| tbr | it all depends on your business model | 14:47 |
| SpeedEvil | There is a difference between one, or even several people opensource projects, and ones where you have dozens of employees working on something. | 14:48 |
| r0kk3rz | well if your strategy is making money of support ie redhat, then you dont care that centos exist | 14:48 |
| zGrr | Whe it comes to intelectual property protection there is NONE. | 14:48 |
| zGrr | He could had all the patents and everything. | 14:48 |
| zGrr | It wouldn't help | 14:48 |
| r0kk3rz | it would | 14:49 |
| zGrr | Big corpo would have taken him to the court. | 14:49 |
| zGrr | He would have won. | 14:49 |
| r0kk3rz | as by patenting something, you 'open source' the design | 14:49 |
| zGrr | and lost everything. | 14:49 |
| r0kk3rz | as part of the patent process | 14:49 |
| zGrr | they would have dragged him through the courts until he lost most of his money. | 14:49 |
| zGrr | When you opensource you have community protection. | 14:50 |
| zGrr | Of course everyone can fork your project. | 14:50 |
| SpeedEvil | zGrr: Only to the limited extent that the community can fund your legal fund | 14:50 |
| zGrr | But why would have done that if they can have your support? | 14:51 |
| zGrr | At least that was his reasoning. | 14:51 |
| zGrr | It's a question of good marketing yourself as a successful project leader. | 14:51 |
| zGrr | And most of the work is done by the paid employees. | 14:52 |
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| Stskeeps | not to mention sustainability.. | 14:53 |
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| zGrr | its a dificult one for any project. fully commercial too. | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | keeping paychecks coming to your workers is also a challenge | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | or being able afford things outside your core business | 14:54 |
| zGrr | His model is primarily selling support contracts, I think. | 14:56 |
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| zGrr | He said he has most troubles with selling contracts to big corporations. | 14:56 |
| HBP_ | I don't care if companies use GPL or BSD or whatever code but in case of GPL many companies try to just take the benefits and make their own rules about how they don't have to contribute because of the company bureaucracy | 14:56 |
| HBP_ | In the other hand if you use BSD code no one is expecting anything in return | 14:57 |
| zGrr | Medium and small businesses don't have as much trouble with paying him many as big business. | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | at least for anything non-ui we have a default 'this goes to oss'.. (some exceptions exist, but golden rule..) | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | so no red tape excuses | 14:57 |
| HBP_ | and what pisses me off is that these companies are talking about how they use OSS and linux in their products but forgots to mention that they are not contributing at all | 14:59 |
| zGrr | Where I work, they hate opensource and the only thing they hate more than using opensource is paying for opensource. | 14:59 |
| zGrr | Bastards. | 14:59 |
| HBP_ | of cource it's easy to make business from something you don't pay for :P | 15:00 |
| zGrr | Fscking parasites. | 15:00 |
| zGrr | I used to work for small company. | 15:00 |
| SpeedEvil | using opensource publically is also contributing | 15:01 |
| zGrr | We were paying for support. | 15:01 |
| zGrr | Not only because we wanted to support them. | 15:01 |
| zGrr | But also, because the support was REAL. | 15:01 |
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| zGrr | Unlike most commercial support. | 15:01 |
| SpeedEvil | A primary motivation for many non-paid oss coders is that actual users of their code exist. | 15:01 |
| SpeedEvil | If there are 2 users of a project, that's not a motivation | 15:02 |
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| HBP_ | SpeedEvil: yeah but I meant more like those cases where the code is actually modified but no contribution is made. Well personally I like more the BSD style licensing but still. | 15:06 |
| SpeedEvil | They can do that - if the code is not distributed | 15:07 |
| SpeedEvil | it is of course unfortunate. | 15:07 |
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| M4rtinK | Anyone else on the KDE Akademy conference ? :) | 15:51 |
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| zGrr | Does the onscreen keyboard still show up when you connect an external keyboard to your Jolla (BT or USB)? | 16:06 |
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| r0kk3rz | zGrr afaik yes | 16:10 |
| r0kk3rz | at least it does with the tohkeyboard | 16:10 |
| zGrr | Damn. Just like N9. | 16:10 |
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| tbr | on the N9 you could always fake the keyboard presence of the N950 | 16:11 |
| tbr | and it would hide it | 16:11 |
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| tbr | or you could make a custom layout that is only the bottom bar | 16:12 |
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| r0kk3rz | im sure they will have an update that will allow it t be hid | 16:49 |
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| coderus | is there usb-moded config to GET internet from rndis0? | 17:40 |
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| coderus | means i have no gprs and wifi coverage, but have laptop and cable internet, want to share interner from laptop's usb0 to Jolla rndis0 and make all applications happy | 17:42 |
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| locusf_ | coderus: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/USBNetworking | 17:50 |
| r0kk3rz | coderus: p2p wifi and bridge the LAN connection | 17:52 |
| tortoisedoc | coderus : wlan of jolla via tethering not working? | 17:52 |
| tbr | tortoisedoc: he's looking for the reverse | 17:55 |
| * lbt_ ponders the best way to pass a rich "event" from c++ to QML | 17:57 | |
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| Nicd- | what kind of "event"? | 17:57 |
| tortoisedoc | aaah | 17:57 |
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| tbr | a party thrown by a billionaire | 17:57 |
| tbr | that's a rich event ;) | 17:57 |
| tortoisedoc | lbt:_ : define rich? | 17:57 |
| tortoisedoc | lbt : define rich? | 17:57 |
| lbt | haha ... an actual network event with 4 values | 17:57 |
| lbt | lessee | 17:58 |
| Nicd- | lbt: from a QTcpSocket? | 17:58 |
| tortoisedoc | lbt : Q_INVOKABLE? | 17:58 |
| lbt | gah my network is dead | 17:58 |
| lbt | trying to pastie | 17:58 |
| lbt | so I wrote this nice SSE monitor | 17:59 |
| lbt | server side events | 17:59 |
| lbt | essentially you get some json data come in and parse it | 17:59 |
| aard_ | lbt: you create a file with the data, create another file with a filename watched by qml containing this files filename to notify it that there are data, and start a file watcher for a 3rd file which qml side creates once it read the data | 17:59 |
| lbt | then raise a signal in Qt | 17:59 |
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| Nicd- | aard_: wat | 17:59 |
| lbt | aard_: hey, that sounds doable | 17:59 |
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| lbt | I should store it on NFS too - for safety | 18:00 |
| tortoisedoc | lbt: expose qtcpsocket to qml+ | 18:00 |
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| aard_ | one day I should make a bunch of easy to use codesnippets for that kind of problems, and make sure they're easily found by people searching for it | 18:01 |
| Nicd- | or write your own light "parser" in the middle which gives the JSON as a string to the QML side | 18:01 |
| lbt | ffs - I can't even see github | 18:01 |
| tortoisedoc | lbt : it's y00r pc | 18:01 |
| tortoisedoc | winz0r | 18:01 |
| lbt | https://gist.github.com/lbt/64b45eb7af60d94e90a3 | 18:02 |
| lbt | then : SSEvent* ev = new SSEvent(m_ev_type, m_ev_data, origin, m_lastEventId); emit event(ev); | 18:03 |
| Nicd- | you can register it as a QML datatype | 18:04 |
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| lbt | but I can't make SSEvent a QObject since it then won't get delete'd | 18:04 |
| lbt | I need to pass by value | 18:05 |
| tortoisedoc | lbt : use deleteLater, that should ensure it getting busted | 18:05 |
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| lbt | tortoisedoc: you can't do that safely | 18:05 |
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| lbt | it will be deleted at the next Qt core loop | 18:05 |
| lbt | and your QML may keep it around | 18:06 |
| Nicd- | if you want to pass by value, then use a QVariantMap instead of your own datatype | 18:06 |
| tortoisedoc | lbt : make a factory and expose that to qml | 18:06 |
| Nicd- | put your stuff there and give it to QML | 18:06 |
| lbt | Nicd-: ok | 18:06 |
| Nicd- | as a bonus it will automatically be transformed into a javascript dictionary | 18:06 |
| lbt | Nicd-: that sounds more like it | 18:06 |
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| lbt | tortoisedoc: I wondered about that whole side but it's kinda ugly | 18:06 |
| lbt | I seriously thought about passing json but... srsly! | 18:07 |
| lbt | Nicd-'s solution sounds sensible | 18:07 |
| Nicd- | in weecrapp I parse weechat's protocol into a bunch of QVariants, QVariantMaps and QVariantLists | 18:08 |
| tortoisedoc | yea a qvariantmap is probably the easiest thing | 18:08 |
| Nicd- | then everything get magically transformed into the appropriate QML datatypes | 18:08 |
| tortoisedoc | Nicd-: weecrap? | 18:08 |
| r0kk3rz | it is fairly magic | 18:08 |
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| Nicd- | tortoisedoc: weechat relay app | 18:08 |
| r0kk3rz | im using a qvariantmap for a dbus string array | 18:08 |
| tortoisedoc | qvariantmap sounds so m$ | 18:09 |
| tortoisedoc | :| | 18:09 |
| lbt | haha | 18:09 |
| tortoisedoc | like vbasic time type of thing | 18:09 |
| r0kk3rz | nah its got q in front of it | 18:09 |
| lbt | it feels like it's a struct mapping - which is what I want... struct -> javascript | 18:09 |
| tortoisedoc | :D | 18:10 |
| r0kk3rz | definitely not a vbasic thing | 18:10 |
| lbt | yah ... queues are good | 18:10 |
| Nicd- | I tried doing my own thing too, creating my own classes and stuff. in the end realized QVariant is the way to avoid unnecessary pain | 18:11 |
| lbt | aard_: snippet this ^^ :D | 18:11 |
| r0kk3rz | that is the worst, doing it the hard way then realising theres an easy way | 18:11 |
| lbt | r0kk3rz: nah ... you learn shitloads | 18:12 |
| tortoisedoc | yeah, that's the qt way | 18:12 |
| tortoisedoc | you think you need new stuff, until you realize someone smarter has done it in a better way already :D | 18:12 |
| tortoisedoc | i love qt | 18:12 |
| tortoisedoc | its awesome | 18:12 |
| tortoisedoc | is the old trolltech still involved in the development btw? | 18:13 |
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| lbt | anyhow - thanks for the advice - I'll go play with QVariantMaps :D | 18:16 |
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| Shinryuu | Anyone familiar wirh the shutdown problems? If so, are they more hardware related issues? | 18:40 |
| Shinryuu | with* damn typing on this phone is not my thing.. | 18:40 |
| lbt | Shinryuu: there's a fair bit on tjc | 18:40 |
| lbt | haha | 18:40 |
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| Shinryuu | tjc? | 18:41 |
| Shinryuu | ahh... together jolla | 18:42 |
| Shinryuu | I'll try to harass my little brother because he has those issues | 18:43 |
| lbt | I was just trying to find a link | 18:44 |
| coderus | locusf_: yes i know, i'm looking for more simplified solution like "press a button" :D | 18:44 |
| coderus | also last time i tried it some apps still asking for connectin and "Select connection" dialog pops up | 18:45 |
| Shinryuu | lbt: sure | 18:45 |
| lbt | Shinryuu: tbh it's not something I've dealt with (or seen) but I know there are some discussions about it | 18:46 |
| Shinryuu | yeah, I remember something about puttin paper in etc. | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | talk to care if you have shutdown problems | 18:47 |
| Shinryuu | That might be the best choice, also he has a broken screen which he accidentally caused so I think he'll need to pay for that if he wants the screen fixed | 18:53 |
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| Stskeeps | Shinryuu: well, have a chat with care@ about it at least.. | 18:54 |
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| Stskeeps | we employ humans, so it's always possible to talk.. | 18:55 |
| Shinryuu | I'll push my brother to do so | 18:55 |
| Shinryuu | also, thanks | 18:55 |
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| peppelakappa | booster [qt5] sucking 100% alone... normal? | 22:46 |
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| coderus | peppelakappa: normal if launching apps only | 22:53 |
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| peppelakappa | coderus: I've deleted some of my conversations, rebooted the mitakuuluu server and now neither booster or mitakuuluu-server are eating cpu cycles | 22:57 |
| coderus | that sucks | 22:58 |
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