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| coderus | smoku: use SeasideCache, it have no docs at all => more fun! | 04:24 |
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| faenil | morning! :) | 07:38 |
| faenil | chriadam, anything I can do? xD | 07:38 |
| chriadam | nope, no ideas | 07:38 |
| faenil | okay... | 07:38 |
| faenil | chriadam, are your android contacts ok? | 07:39 |
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| chriadam | seem fine, yeah, except that they don't have avatars | 07:40 |
| chriadam | but names are fine, and other data | 07:40 |
| faenil | :/ | 07:40 |
| chriadam | no duplication etc | 07:40 |
| faenil | I wonder how this can happen then, since I did things from scratch :/ | 07:40 |
| chriadam | no idea :-/ | 07:40 |
| faenil | that means no fix in upd8 at least :/ | 07:41 |
| faenil | at this point I'd just like to get my situation straight via workaround or something, but there doesn't seem to be any, either :/ | 07:43 |
| faenil | (that's some bad english) | 07:44 |
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| gogeta | good morning guys | 08:06 |
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| SK_work | hi gogeta | 08:07 |
| SK_work | lost dr_ ? | 08:07 |
| gogeta | hi SK_work ... I never was dr | 08:08 |
| gogeta | I quit university after 3 month | 08:08 |
| gogeta | :-( | 08:08 |
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| SK_work | :( | 08:09 |
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| gogeta | SK_work: sometimes life is hard | 08:13 |
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| tortoisedoc | gogeta : keep on trying :P | 08:14 |
| tortoisedoc | (aka dont give yo) | 08:14 |
| tortoisedoc | *up | 08:14 |
| tortoisedoc | hmm | 08:15 |
| tortoisedoc | how to handle gestures on c++ side with qtquick2 ? :/ | 08:15 |
| coderus | tortoisedoc: ping | 08:16 |
| coderus | what ads servicce you using | 08:16 |
| coderus | ? | 08:16 |
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| tortoisedoc | smaato | 08:17 |
| tortoisedoc | only one with qt sdk :( | 08:17 |
| tortoisedoc | which required some tweaking of the sdk | 08:18 |
| tortoisedoc | (as it is originally based on qtwidgets) | 08:18 |
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| tortoisedoc | I believe this is the reason why it's showing only one type of ads (smaato) :P:P | 08:18 |
| tortoisedoc | coderus : how can I handle gestures on c++ side in qml2? | 08:19 |
| tortoisedoc | *qtquick2 | 08:19 |
| lainwir3d | hi ! :) | 08:20 |
| tortoisedoc | hi! | 08:21 |
| tortoisedoc | i was actually thinking about putting the modded adapi online | 08:22 |
| tortoisedoc | but with the feedback I got about ads on QuickBar, I thought better not :P | 08:22 |
| coderus | tortoisedoc: QmlView is QGraphicsView | 08:23 |
| coderus | what about using mouseMoveEvent ? | 08:23 |
| tortoisedoc | hmm | 08:23 |
| tortoisedoc | mouseMoveEvent | 08:23 |
| tortoisedoc | no gestures api anymore? (like in widgets) | 08:23 |
| coderus | protected: void mouseMoveEvent(QMouseEvent *event); | 08:24 |
| coderus | mousePressEvent (release etc) | 08:24 |
| tortoisedoc | mouseMoveEvent :~~~~ | 08:24 |
| * tortoisedoc shrugs | 08:24 | |
| tortoisedoc | ill have to re-implement qt gesture recognition system :( | 08:24 |
| lainwir3d | tortoisedoc: maybe this ? http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qtsensors-qmlsensorgestures-example.html | 08:24 |
| SK_work | lainwir3d: that's sensors | 08:25 |
| lainwir3d | in the files at the bottom, there is a qmlsensorgestures/plugin/qcountergestureplugin.cpp | 08:25 |
| lainwir3d | oh. | 08:26 |
| SK_work | tortoisedoc: QGesture is in widgets module | 08:26 |
| tortoisedoc | SK_work : i know :-( | 08:26 |
| SK_work | so you need to reimplement to make it work inside a Qml based stuff | 08:26 |
| SK_work | what ar you trying to do actually ? | 08:27 |
| tortoisedoc | SK_work : i need it on c++ | 08:27 |
| tortoisedoc | fix broken gestures on lockscreen when quickbar is shown | 08:27 |
| SK_work | tortoisedoc: ??? | 08:27 |
| SK_work | context ? | 08:27 |
| tortoisedoc | quickbar? :) | 08:27 |
| tortoisedoc | https://openrepos.net/content/giuliettasw/quickbar-beta | 08:28 |
| tortoisedoc | is version of quickbar for sailfish (was on meego as well) | 08:28 |
| SK_work | how do you do this ? | 08:28 |
| tortoisedoc | black magic :P | 08:28 |
| SK_work | and how gesture have to do with this ? | 08:29 |
| tortoisedoc | swiping gestures (or in general all gestures except pulling) are not working on the lockscreen when quickbar is displayed | 08:29 |
| tortoisedoc | (moving the screen up / down does however) | 08:30 |
| SK_work | what's the bug you are trying to fix, and how are you attempting to fix it ? | 08:30 |
| SK_work | tortoisedoc: how did you do quick bar ? | 08:30 |
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| SK_work | did you patched the lockscreen ? | 08:30 |
| tortoisedoc | SK_work : no | 08:30 |
| tortoisedoc | its all qt c++ | 08:30 |
| SK_work | interesting | 08:31 |
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| tortoisedoc | (and qml for presentation) | 08:31 |
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| SK_work | still, how did you do this without altering the system homescreen | 08:31 |
| tortoisedoc | it is internal stuff which according to some jolla guys might stop working in the future | 08:31 |
| coderus | tortoisedoc: just make sample project opensoure please, without quicckbar stuff | 08:31 |
| coderus | and we can hack it | 08:31 |
| SK_work | the fact is that it seems that you managed to override (?) the gesture recognizer | 08:31 |
| tortoisedoc | so I am a bit reticent to show it : | 08:31 |
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| tortoisedoc | SK_work : gesture recognizer? | 08:31 |
| SK_work | tortoisedoc: exploiting lipstick's window capabilities ? | 08:32 |
| tortoisedoc | where is that? | 08:32 |
| tortoisedoc | SK_work : yes | 08:32 |
| SK_work | tortoisedoc: in silica windows, there are ways to handle gesture built-in | 08:32 |
| SK_work | check the QML source code | 08:32 |
| tortoisedoc | hmm | 08:33 |
| tortoisedoc | SK_work : qml source code of silica? | 08:34 |
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| tortoisedoc | is closed :( | 08:34 |
| tortoisedoc | no? | 08:34 |
| SK_work | tortoisedoc: ls /usr/share/lipstick-jolla-home-qt5/qml ? | 08:34 |
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| inte | hello is it possible to modify an app starzer to send a kill-comnand when the app is closed? | 08:36 |
| inte | starter | 08:36 |
| SK_work | inte: why ? | 08:36 |
| inte | like the starter opens a terminal app and starts a background process | 08:37 |
| tortoisedoc | inte : start a process which starts a childprocess, when it exits, it kills it=? | 08:38 |
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| tortoisedoc | inte: see QProcess | 08:38 |
| SK_work | inte: write a script with yourDaemon & && term && killall yourDaemon ? | 08:39 |
| inte | when the app is killed the process should also | 08:39 |
| inte | sk_work tried that already | 08:39 |
| SK_work | inte: don't work ? :( | 08:39 |
| inte | that works if you kill the app regulary, e.g. with the quit-command | 08:40 |
| inte | doesn't work when killing by swiping | 08:40 |
| SK_work | mmm | 08:40 |
| SK_work | daemon & <nl> term <nl> killall daemon ? | 08:41 |
| SK_work | when term is killed, the next line will be executed (without checking the exit code) | 08:41 |
| inte | tortoisedoc i don't know much about qt, it's a ncurses app | 08:41 |
| tortoisedoc | inte : get the proc id of your process from the app (when it is started), add a file monitor to /proc/<procid/cmdline :P | 08:41 |
| tortoisedoc | inte : aah ok | 08:42 |
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| tortoisedoc | oldskool :) | 08:42 |
| inte | sk_work doesn't work either:( | 08:42 |
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| SK_work | hum | 08:43 |
| SK_work | inte: what happens ? | 08:43 |
| SK_work | the app got killed directly ? | 08:43 |
| inte | jup, but not the process | 08:44 |
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| tortoisedoc | inte : is the app starting the process or the other way around? | 08:45 |
| inte | both are independend | 08:45 |
| tortoisedoc | inte : ok, so they can start independently? | 08:45 |
| inte | yes | 08:45 |
| tortoisedoc | make a pipe? | 08:46 |
| tortoisedoc | (named pipe) | 08:46 |
| inte | with | or with && ? | 08:46 |
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| inte | the && do not work | 08:47 |
| inte | its this thing btw | 08:49 |
| inte | https://openrepos.net/content/inte/mutt-sailfish-gpg-wrapper | 08:49 |
| inte | killibg gpg-agent works fine when closing mutt regularly | 08:49 |
| inte | when swiping gpg-agent keeps running | 08:50 |
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| flux | soo, people use mutt on jolla? must be an exercise in frustration?-) | 08:55 |
| inte | tortoisedoc ah got it will try it thanks!! | 08:55 |
| inte | flux for me it works for gpg messages | 08:55 |
| flux | inte, you use it via imap or can use use some local spools for it? | 08:56 |
| inte | just wanted to share it and obviously people are using it | 08:56 |
| inte | not too many, though:) | 08:56 |
| inte | ~100 dl | 08:56 |
| flux | that's fine, in a sense it's pretty cool but I would really rather have hwkbd for mutt :) | 08:56 |
| inte | flux both possible i made a fechtmail rpm as well | 08:57 |
| inte | flux works better than you'd expect | 08:57 |
| inte | try it:) | 08:57 |
| flux | nah, I can always access my mutt via ssh :) | 08:57 |
| flux | which is of course even worse | 08:57 |
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| inte | still better than using k9mail on alien;) | 08:58 |
| inte | have you tried mutt via ssh on jolla? | 09:00 |
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| flux | well, not really, but I have the option as I do use irc over ssh and my mutt is runing the same screen | 09:00 |
| inte | flux why don't you use irc for SailfishOS? | 09:02 |
| inte | its great! | 09:02 |
| inte | i use it with bip | 09:02 |
| flux | well, I would need to use ircproxy with it and I doubt it works as nice in ping timeouts etc. | 09:02 |
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| flux | I have an irc client yes, but I rarely run it | 09:02 |
| inte | i installed bip on my fritzbox router and use i use sailfishirc to connect to it | 09:03 |
| inte | works great! | 09:04 |
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| inte | if you consider mutt without hw keyboard a pain, how can you use irssi or bitchx?? :) | 09:05 |
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| flux | I use them very little | 09:05 |
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| inte | i probably would also:) | 09:06 |
| inte | can't you use irssi or bitchx as ircproxy as well? | 09:06 |
| inte | i don't know, it's been a while:) | 09:07 |
| flux | yes I can, but it's not quite as smooth still | 09:07 |
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| flux | maybe I'll try setting it up some day(TM) again | 09:07 |
| flux | I maybe used it with n900 | 09:07 |
| inte | just thought it might be at least a littlw mor comfortable | 09:07 |
| inte | ok but there you HAD a hw keyboard | 09:08 |
| inte | would have loved to buy a n950 those days | 09:08 |
| inte | that was a shame... but it's over (and fine) | 09:09 |
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| matrixx | kimmoli: just wanted to say I love your Paint <3 | 10:08 |
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| kimmoli | matrixx: thank you !! | 10:09 |
| cos- | Paint? | 10:23 |
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| SK_work | cos-: paint app by kimmoli | 10:28 |
| tortoisedoc | SK_work: why is there org.nemomobile.lipstick and com.jolla.lipstick? | 10:28 |
| SK_work | tortoisedoc: lipstick-qt5 and lipistck-jolla-home | 10:29 |
| SK_work | in practice, they should be the same dbus interface | 10:29 |
| SK_work | lipstick is oss, jolla-home is based on lipstick to create jolla homescreen | 10:30 |
| tortoisedoc | aha! | 10:30 |
| mike7b4_on_x230 | I have tried pkcon install vim some times latest week but it "hangs" just at "0% installing packages" I can however install my own apps etc... | 10:30 |
| tortoisedoc | SK_work: can i use com.jolla.lipstick from qml? | 10:31 |
| Nicd- | mike7b4_on_x230: how long did you wait? | 10:31 |
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| locusf | com.jolla.lipstick is probably something private they need eg. for app covers | 10:33 |
| mike7b4_on_x230 | Nicd-: just tried now still 0% | 10:37 |
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| SK_work | tortoisedoc: no | 11:35 |
| SK_work | tortoisedoc: except if you use nemo.dbus | 11:35 |
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| tortoisedoc | SK_work :how is com.jolla.lipstic related to nemo.dbus? | 13:00 |
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| SK_work | tortoisedoc: DBus API ? | 13:05 |
| SK_work | what do you refer as com.jolla.lipstick ? | 13:05 |
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| BasilSemuonov | Why there is no native gmail app for sailfishos with hours of apii being opened? https://developers.google.com/gmail/api/ time to set sail (-: | 13:53 |
| SK_work | BasilSemuonov: :D | 13:54 |
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| SK_work | yep :):) | 13:54 |
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| SK_work | BasilSemuonov: even better, we should have gmail integration in email app | 13:54 |
| gogeta | for me we need to boycot API | 13:55 |
| gogeta | while you have IMAP | 13:55 |
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| gogeta | Build business on top of public API | 13:55 |
| gogeta | is like create sand castles | 13:55 |
| SK_work | gogeta: it's google :/ | 13:55 |
| gogeta | fuck up google | 13:56 |
| gogeta | sorry for harshness | 13:56 |
| inte | why would one need an app for gmail? | 13:56 |
| inte | it also works through exchange protocol or not? | 13:56 |
| inte | i barely use google anyways, but for what i do it works fine with contacts, calendar and stuff | 13:56 |
| Nicd- | still no Google+ write API :/ | 13:57 |
| inte | what was google+ again? | 13:57 |
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| SK_work | inte: no | 13:58 |
| SK_work | Nicd-: no | 13:58 |
| SK_work | Nicd-: and I don't know if it's that bad | 13:58 |
| inte | is *anyone* actually using google+ | 13:58 |
| kimmoli_sailing_ | yep | 13:59 |
| SK_work | G+ shouldn't become a FB bis, with bots posting ads | 13:59 |
| SK_work | but well, FB API is already so bad | 13:59 |
| inte | kimmoli_sailing_: ok :) | 13:59 |
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| inte | i guess i set up an account once and added some friends but there is barely any activity | 13:59 |
| Nicd- | SK_work: I just wanted a native G+ app... | 13:59 |
| Nicd- | and google sure isn't going to make one | 13:59 |
| inte | mostly from clients which are simultaniasly posting to twitter, google and facebook | 14:00 |
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| inte | and I already barely use facebook | 14:00 |
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| SK_work | Nicd-: I understand the feeling | 14:00 |
| SK_work | :( | 14:00 |
| inte | Nicd isn't it possible to hook g+ to a (private) twitter account? | 14:01 |
| inte | then you could at least post to g+ through twitter :) | 14:01 |
| inte | im works via xmmp | 14:02 |
| inte | and read it through the mobile website (make a bookmark) | 14:02 |
| inte | should somehow work | 14:02 |
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| inte | btw. I was talking to someone before my client crashed regarding sync and facebook accounts | 14:03 |
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| inte` | oh noo, sorry that was in jolla mobile | 14:05 |
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| tortoisedoc | SK_work : in lipstick-jolla-home there is import com.jolla.lipstick | 15:14 |
| SK_work | ah | 15:14 |
| SK_work | you mean this | 15:14 |
| SK_work | there are specific imports from different QML modules | 15:14 |
| tortoisedoc | yeah | 15:14 |
| tortoisedoc | seems like there is no plugin for it tho | 15:14 |
| tortoisedoc | so maybe some runtime object? | 15:14 |
| tortoisedoc | (i.e. unaccessible) | 15:15 |
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| SK_work | tortoisedoc: why do you want to mess with these plugins btw ? | 15:18 |
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| tortoisedoc | SK_work : more tests :P | 15:26 |
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| SK_work | tortoisedoc: we won't be able to help you if you are justdoing tests witout telling anything | 15:27 |
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| tortoisedoc | SK_work : define "we" :P | 15:35 |
| SK_work | people around that are curious about what you are doing :) | 15:35 |
| SK_work | like people in this chan | 15:35 |
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| tortoisedoc | SK_work; I am exploring possibilities to show quickbar in the event viewer | 15:44 |
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| SK_work | tortoisedoc: I see | 15:45 |
| tortoisedoc | unfortunately there is no easy way to do it | 15:45 |
| tortoisedoc | apparently | 15:45 |
| tortoisedoc | who could know? | 15:45 |
| tortoisedoc | specila : ping? | 15:45 |
| SK_work | tortoisedoc: the events view is already a window | 15:45 |
| SK_work | tortoisedoc: I give you one hint to implement this easily | 15:45 |
| tortoisedoc | SK_work : ofc | 15:45 |
| SK_work | patchmanager | 15:45 |
| * tortoisedoc shrugs | 15:45 | |
| SK_work | or roll-out your own system patch | 15:45 |
| tortoisedoc | patches :~~~~ | 15:45 |
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| faenil | is there any way to sync android gallery with sailfish gallery? | 15:52 |
| faenil | it often happens that when sending pics via android apps, the gallery is not updated with the latest taken pics | 15:52 |
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| faenil | I always have to reboot in such cases :/ | 15:54 |
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| stephg | faenil: I found stopping the dalvik service a couple of times usually sorts it | 15:56 |
| faenil | stephg, most likely, yes | 15:56 |
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| faenil | should be equivalent... | 15:56 |
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| faenil | but still | 15:56 |
| faenil | maybe Stskeeps can check if it's being worked on? | 15:56 |
| stephg | well if you do a TJC I'll vote ;) | 15:56 |
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| faenil | mmm no it seems he can't :P | 16:28 |
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| tortoisedoc | hmm | 16:49 |
| tortoisedoc | is patchmanager available on harbour? | 16:49 |
| locusf | tortoisedoc: no, openrepos only | 16:50 |
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| tortoisedoc | thought so, thanks locusf | 16:51 |
| tortoisedoc | btw locusf does glacier work on sailfish emulator as well= | 16:51 |
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| locusf | tortoisedoc: I haven't tried, it should work when built for i386 | 16:52 |
| SK_work | tortoisedoc: :D | 16:53 |
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| * tortoisedoc would like to try on emulator first | 16:55 | |
| tortoisedoc | using jolla as main dev device, do not want to cause any harm to it atm ^^ | 16:55 |
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| locusf | yeah, understood | 16:55 |
| tortoisedoc | locusf : do you have any plans to build it for i386? | 16:57 |
| locusf | tortoisedoc: no plans but I could do it for you | 16:58 |
| tortoisedoc | :D | 16:58 |
| tortoisedoc | I cannot promise anything from our end, we are pretty loaded with bugfixing here atm | 16:58 |
| tortoisedoc | but definitely for the future why not | 16:58 |
| tortoisedoc | sounds like an interesting idea | 16:58 |
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| locusf | tortoisedoc: I'll do it tomorrow if I remember | 17:00 |
| tortoisedoc | ok thanks | 17:00 |
| tortoisedoc | locusf : do you know anything about lipstick-jolla-home package? | 17:01 |
| locusf | tortoisedoc: only from qml side, no idea about c++ | 17:01 |
| tortoisedoc | thanks | 17:02 |
| SK_work | tortoisedoc: still hunting info about ljh ? | 17:02 |
| SK_work | what do you want to know ? :) | 17:02 |
| tortoisedoc | SK_work : yes :P | 17:02 |
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| tortoisedoc | import com.jolla.lipstic 0.1 no work on my qml test :/ | 17:03 |
| tortoisedoc | *lipstick | 17:03 |
| tortoisedoc | so I really assume ljh is registering it as run-time class | 17:03 |
| SK_work | tortoisedoc: ah ? | 17:03 |
| SK_work | yep | 17:03 |
| tortoisedoc | :| | 17:03 |
| locusf | yes | 17:03 |
| tortoisedoc | perkk | 17:03 |
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| SK_work | tortoisedoc: tell us what you want exactly | 17:03 |
| SK_work | actually I might have an idea | 17:03 |
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| tortoisedoc | SK_work : patcher? :P | 17:04 |
| SK_work | still the launcher in events view ? | 17:04 |
| tortoisedoc | yeah | 17:04 |
| SK_work | tortoisedoc: nope | 17:04 |
| SK_work | tortoisedoc: maybe you should read code of events view | 17:04 |
| SK_work | I'm afraid it's less easy than in lockscreen | 17:04 |
| tortoisedoc | thou who searchet, shall find my friend ;) | 17:04 |
| SK_work | and you might need to use silica to have the gesture detector | 17:04 |
| tortoisedoc | using silica is not necessarily a problem | 17:04 |
| SK_work | or patcher | 17:05 |
| tortoisedoc | hmm | 17:05 |
| tortoisedoc | ill take the noeasy_option + silica then | 17:05 |
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| tortoisedoc | codesample kthzbye :P | 17:05 |
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| Jabbounet | hi all | 17:05 |
| tortoisedoc | thanks SK_work | 17:05 |
| tortoisedoc | (btw) | 17:05 |
| SK_work | tortoisedoc: well | 17:05 |
| SK_work | ah | 17:05 |
| SK_work | it is | 17:05 |
| SK_work | in events view I wonder if this is possible | 17:05 |
| SK_work | hi Jabbounet | 17:06 |
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| tortoisedoc | im not afraid | 17:06 |
| SK_work | tortoisedoc: you need to be interested by /usr/share/lipstick/eventfeed | 17:06 |
| tortoisedoc | hmm | 17:07 |
| SK_work | there are the "events view accounts" widgets | 17:07 |
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| tortoisedoc | yesss? | 17:07 |
| SK_work | tortoisedoc: you need to install an account | 17:08 |
| SK_work | that provides events view as a service | 17:08 |
| SK_work | and install events view stuff | 17:08 |
| SK_work | but 'm searching for something else | 17:08 |
| SK_work | one sec plz | 17:08 |
| tortoisedoc | yeah I thought of that - but it requires username / pass= | 17:08 |
| tortoisedoc | ? | 17:08 |
| tortoisedoc | but then again | 17:09 |
| tortoisedoc | it would make more sense | 17:09 |
| tortoisedoc | cause you would be able to automatically activate / deactivate the quickbar through it | 17:09 |
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| SK_work | tortoisedoc: ??? | 17:09 |
| tortoisedoc | (automatically === manual) | 17:09 |
| SK_work | ????? | 17:09 |
| SK_work | it doesn't require username pw | 17:10 |
| tortoisedoc | sorry SK_work using this as my brainstorm wall : | 17:10 |
| tortoisedoc | :P | 17:10 |
| SK_work | it does require providing an account | 17:10 |
| SK_work | that's not simple and can easily break | 17:10 |
| tortoisedoc | yeah that's what I mean | 17:10 |
| SK_work | tortoisedoc: I have something else | 17:11 |
| SK_work | though, as you do, I will keep it secret :P | 17:11 |
| tortoisedoc | :D | 17:11 |
| tortoisedoc | I told you what I needed? :P | 17:11 |
| SK_work | I need to do a POC this week end and OSS it | 17:11 |
| SK_work | tortoisedoc: right, I don't know how this works | 17:11 |
| tortoisedoc | :D | 17:11 |
| SK_work | but I want a GPLv2 on this idea | 17:11 |
| SK_work | (this doesn't sound really good :D) | 17:12 |
| tortoisedoc | lol | 17:12 |
| SK_work | anyway, I can tell you | 17:12 |
| tortoisedoc | how about a GPL3 then we are all out :P | 17:12 |
| SK_work | tortoisedoc: study /usr/share/lipstick-jolla-home-qt5/qml/WeatherBanner.qml | 17:12 |
| M4rtinK | gplv2 or above ? :) | 17:12 |
| tortoisedoc | also btw what is used for quickbar is nothing secret | 17:13 |
| tortoisedoc | it can be found from the nemo code | 17:13 |
| tortoisedoc | otherwise I wouldnt have been able to make it :P | 17:13 |
| tortoisedoc | i just am hesitant to tell as it is a complete hack and might stop working | 17:13 |
| SK_work | M4rtinK: GPLv2 or above :D | 17:13 |
| tortoisedoc | so its better to let people find it on their own :P | 17:13 |
| tortoisedoc | (methinks) | 17:13 |
| SK_work | tortoisedoc: well, bundling ads is not the way to do either :D | 17:13 |
| SK_work | :P | 17:13 |
| tortoisedoc | :D | 17:13 |
| SK_work | it's not about jailbreak honestly, Jolla don't care if we tweak their UI experience | 17:14 |
| tortoisedoc | what other way do you give me, Jolla, if u n0 p4id 4pps support :((( | 17:14 |
| SK_work | and if it don't work anymore, then ... there is still patchmanager | 17:14 |
| SK_work | tortoisedoc: donations ? | 17:14 |
| tortoisedoc | SK_work : haha | 17:14 |
| SK_work | tortoisedoc: I hate ads | 17:14 |
| tortoisedoc | (kidding) | 17:14 |
| tortoisedoc | i am considering it | 17:14 |
| SK_work | and if you bundle ads in your apps, I will not use them | 17:14 |
| SK_work | that's all :P | 17:15 |
| M4rtinK | SK_work: so do I :) | 17:15 |
| tortoisedoc | but then you have the "donate" ad | 17:15 |
| M4rtinK | SK_work: +1 | 17:15 |
| tortoisedoc | would the donate button be more efficient than ads=? | 17:15 |
| tortoisedoc | also | 17:15 |
| SK_work | tortoisedoc: I had the donate banner after each update of friends, it worked quite well | 17:15 |
| tortoisedoc | if I put an donate button | 17:15 |
| SK_work | tortoisedoc: but on patchmanager, it doens 't work | 17:15 |
| tortoisedoc | jolla gets no revenue | 17:15 |
| tortoisedoc | the app does most likely not get into harbour | 17:15 |
| SK_work | tortoisedoc: does ads give them revenue ? | 17:15 |
| tortoisedoc | (pretty sure of tha) | 17:15 |
| M4rtinK | Donate button on About page is fine (my apps do that) is fine. | 17:15 |
| tortoisedoc | SK_work: good point | 17:16 |
| SK_work | anyway, not about ads or not, but the fact is: if we share Jolla haxx, they won't immediately fix it and lock it down | 17:16 |
| SK_work | Jolla is not apple :D | 17:16 |
| tortoisedoc | it would be an interesting project to implement i agree | 17:16 |
| M4rtinK | maybe even some non frequent "what about donating ?" popup | 17:16 |
| tortoisedoc | but by the time it works, most likely jolla has paid app support | 17:16 |
| M4rtinK | anything beyond that is too much in my case | 17:16 |
| M4rtinK | if I wanted adds I would be using Android :P | 17:17 |
| tortoisedoc | SK_work : it's not a hack | 17:17 |
| tortoisedoc | it's used by jolla | 17:17 |
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| SK_work | tortoisedoc: it is a hack :D | 17:17 |
| tortoisedoc | but as it is not public it might change | 17:17 |
| SK_work | well, the way you are doing it is a huge hack :P | 17:17 |
| tortoisedoc | no it relies on normal properits | 17:17 |
| tortoisedoc | nothing strange | 17:17 |
| tortoisedoc | no mumbojumbo | 17:17 |
| SK_work | tortoisedoc: just like patches, just like hacking sailfish weather etc. | 17:17 |
| SK_work | they are all hacks | 17:17 |
| SK_work | what I call non-hack is harbour :P | 17:17 |
| M4rtinK | what are we talking about actually ? | 17:18 |
| tortoisedoc | hmm quickbar on n9, THAT was a hack :P | 17:18 |
| M4rtinK | I seem to be missing the context | 17:18 |
| SK_work | M4rtinK: tortoisedoc have a quickbar thing | 17:18 |
| SK_work | that looks quite nice | 17:18 |
| tortoisedoc | M4rtingK quickbar on sailfishos | 17:18 |
| M4rtinK | like on the N9 ? | 17:18 |
| tortoisedoc | yeah | 17:18 |
| tortoisedoc | also | 17:18 |
| M4rtinK | well, the whole thing is QML so why not | 17:18 |
| SK_work | I'm giving him hints on how to implementing it WITHOUT relying on lipstick imports, or gestures etc. | 17:18 |
| tortoisedoc | there is the other point (highlighted on tjc) | 17:18 |
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| SK_work | tortoisedoc: I gave you my best hint btw | 17:18 |
| tortoisedoc | and that is that quickbar as it is now (on the lockscreen) is accessible only frm there | 17:19 |
| SK_work | the WeatherBanner thing | 17:19 |
| tortoisedoc | SK_work : thanks | 17:19 |
| tortoisedoc | ill test it and if it works credit + paypal you | 17:19 |
| M4rtinK | you could have a Nyan cat video playing on the background using the Video element if you wanted, so why not a N9 bar :) | 17:19 |
| SK_work | M4rtinK: :D | 17:19 |
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| M4rtinK | IIRC it is all in *.qml files present on the device, so anything is possible | 17:20 |
| tortoisedoc | Nyan cat in the lockscreen w0000t | 17:20 |
| * tortoisedoc wants that | 17:21 | |
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| SK_work | M4rtinK: tortoisedoc don't want to mess with QML files | 17:21 |
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| SK_work | so patchmanager out | 17:21 |
| SK_work | and any qml manipulation thing out | 17:22 |
| tortoisedoc | yes i think patching is bad | 17:22 |
| tortoisedoc | much better with overlays :P | 17:22 |
| SK_work | tortoisedoc: I think it's fun | 17:22 |
| M4rtinK | well you still need to make it load your qml somehow | 17:22 |
| M4rtinK | basically adding a single line somewhere | 17:23 |
| SK_work | M4rtinK: WeatherBanner :):) | 17:23 |
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| locusf | SK_work: where is the weatherbanner showing in the ui? | 17:23 |
| SK_work | M4rtinK: in events view, it is basically: exploit WeatherBanner the way it shouldn't | 17:23 |
| SK_work | locusf: in events | 17:23 |
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| tortoisedoc | hmm | 17:24 |
| tortoisedoc | interesting concept | 17:24 |
| tortoisedoc | i must admit | 17:24 |
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| M4rtinK | well, yeah if it is broken like this why not use it :) | 17:25 |
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| M4rtinK | and one can patch it if it is fixed needed | 17:25 |
| SK_work | locusf: cd /usr/share/lipstick-jolla-home/qml | 17:25 |
| SK_work | grep Weather | 17:25 |
| SK_work | you will see in EventsView a loader using WeatherBanner as a source | 17:25 |
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| locusf | SK_work: yeah I know, thanks | 17:25 |
| locusf | oh that too | 17:25 |
| M4rtinK | still the ideal solution would be to send a pull request to the Lipstick project for a proper overlay API :) | 17:25 |
| SK_work | if you read logs you even see that Sailfish.Weather 1.0 do not exist | 17:25 |
| M4rtinK | lol, that's quite an oversight & easy to use :) | 17:26 |
| SK_work | so, implement Sailfish.Weather | 17:26 |
| SK_work | implement SailfishWeather as a QML module and provide what's being used in WeatherBanner | 17:26 |
| SK_work | and ... enjoy | 17:26 |
| tortoisedoc | M4rtinK : it would be enough to get a dbus signal | 17:27 |
| M4rtinK | why does this remind me of original XBox & Wii homebrew ? :D | 17:27 |
| tortoisedoc | SK_work : now THAT is a hack :P | 17:27 |
| SK_work | M4rtinK: tell us more | 17:27 |
| SK_work | tortoisedoc: I have said that this was the ultimate hack | 17:27 |
| M4rtinK | tortoisedoc: yeah, a call to add an overlay module, remove, list registered and maybe change ordering | 17:27 |
| SK_work | some secret stuff | 17:28 |
| M4rtinK | I remember reading about how people did it | 17:28 |
| locusf | tortoisedoc: building i386 packages for you now | 17:28 |
| tortoisedoc | SK_work : black magic :P | 17:28 |
| M4rtinK | and there was quite similar stuff - they would load a specific game with a bug and use it to jump to their own code | 17:28 |
| tortoisedoc | M4rtinK : nothing too fance | 17:29 |
| tortoisedoc | just a dbus signal | 17:29 |
| tortoisedoc | more than enough | 17:29 |
| SK_work | M4rtinK: :D | 17:29 |
| SK_work | nice | 17:29 |
| tortoisedoc | total freedom to implementer | 17:29 |
| SK_work | M4rtinK: tortoisedoc wonder how your "overlay API" would work | 17:29 |
| M4rtinK | tortoisedoc: or maybe a line in the .desktop file | 17:29 |
| SK_work | not seeing how this fits in lipstick | 17:29 |
| M4rtinK | paraphrasing: "provides:homescreen/overlay" | 17:30 |
| SK_work | lipstick don't provide any QML stuff | 17:30 |
| tortoisedoc | M4rtinK : DBus is the way to go :P | 17:30 |
| M4rtinK | and user would be able to activate/deactivate the given overlay plugin | 17:30 |
| SK_work | tortoisedoc: M4rtinK are your overlays sort of widgets ? | 17:30 |
| SK_work | just wondering | 17:30 |
| SK_work | not sure that I understand | 17:30 |
| M4rtinK | I'm thinking - overlay = stuff you can display on the homescreen implemented in a QML file | 17:31 |
| tortoisedoc | M4rtinK : even more generally, overlay is something you can draw everywhere at any time | 17:32 |
| tortoisedoc | see for example thp's billboard on n9 :P | 17:32 |
| tortoisedoc | that's most likely some overlay | 17:32 |
| M4rtinK | actually I think there might be multiple layers | 17:32 |
| * tortoisedoc sees niamcat coming closer... | 17:33 | |
| M4rtinK | under/above the items on the screen | 17:33 |
| M4rtinK | also each screen could have a separate one | 17:33 |
| M4rtinK | technically | 17:33 |
| tortoisedoc | what is the event viewer component on nemo? | 17:34 |
| tortoisedoc | locus: awesome | 17:34 |
| M4rtinK | that reminds me that we really need more stuff making use of the event view | 17:34 |
| locusf | tortoisedoc: there is none in any of the FOSS homescreens | 17:34 |
| M4rtinK | right now it is pretty much useless | 17:34 |
| tortoisedoc | M4rtinK : exactlu | 17:35 |
| tortoisedoc | *exactly | 17:35 |
| tortoisedoc | it is the one screen which gets access from everywhere | 17:35 |
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| M4rtinK | even if it would just mean cloning the N9 even screen (I've used it a lot) | 17:35 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, quite a shame | 17:35 |
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| tortoisedoc | actually from the n9 i love the idea of the status bar | 17:38 |
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| tortoisedoc | but then again | 17:38 |
| tortoisedoc | that's very similar to android | 17:38 |
| tortoisedoc | somehow | 17:38 |
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| locusf | hmm how did I make mb2 to ignore the shadow building instructions from armv7hl | 17:38 |
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| locusf | also I'm getting Fatal: Too many spec files - please use -s to identify which one to use | 17:44 |
| locusf | when trying to deploy to emulator | 17:44 |
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| tortoisedoc | locusf: you are close :) | 18:07 |
| locusf | yeah I got it now | 18:07 |
| locusf | and running in emulator too | 18:07 |
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| tortoisedoc | wow :D | 18:09 |
| tortoisedoc | cool | 18:09 |
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| tortoisedoc | hmm | 18:55 |
| tortoisedoc | where again did i have to look for the gestures.. | 18:55 |
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| tortoisedoc | pong : special | 18:56 |
| tortoisedoc | special :pong :P | 18:56 |
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| special | (because that is the correct response to an unsolicited pong; drop it, continue waiting for other traffic, such as a ping) | 18:59 |
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| kimmoli | is everyone having a bad hair day today ??? | 19:01 |
| kimmoli | no one is even asking when is the next update ... | 19:01 |
| Scelt | someone said early July | 19:04 |
| * kimmoli just arrived home, cup of tea, relaxing after succesful plasma cutting cnc testing (after 2 hours of emc immunity headbanging) | 19:04 | |
| Scelt | it's not July yet. Wait for the first of July and there will be a lot of asking... | 19:04 |
| faenil | hehe | 19:04 |
| kimmoli | aa , that explains, late june still | 19:04 |
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| tortoisedoc | grrr | 19:08 |
| tortoisedoc | why oh why qtquick2 thou has no gesture module?? | 19:08 |
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| pp | or maybe people are just about completely happy with it :-) | 19:09 |
| tortoisedoc | kimmoli : when is the next update?? | 19:09 |
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| faenil | tortoisedoc, I expect within first 7 days of july | 19:12 |
| tortoisedoc | yeah :) | 19:12 |
| tortoisedoc | now if I can just understand why my gestures are not working on lockscreen when quickbar is displayed | 19:13 |
| kimmoli | tortoisedoc: grrrr :p | 19:13 |
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| stephg | good evening folks | 20:23 |
| M4rtinK | night! :) | 20:24 |
| stephg | gnight M4rtinK! | 20:27 |
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| kimmoli | \o | 20:30 |
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| Turski | short | 20:31 |
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| ottulo | or not /10char | 20:34 |
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| Turski | :) | 20:35 |
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