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| [deXter] | Hi all | 02:45 |
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| [deXter] | Does anyone know how to disable or delete usb0? | 02:46 |
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| coderus | what are you talking about? | 03:42 |
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| [deXter] | coderus, https://together.jolla.com/question/43836/bug-usb0-causing-wifi-to-fail-due-to-ip-conflict/ | 03:48 |
| coderus | /sbin/ifconfig usb0 down? | 03:49 |
| [deXter] | Tried that already | 03:51 |
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| coderus | open devmode settings and change ip? | 04:08 |
| [deXter] | coderus, I tried that, it automatically reverts to 192.168.2.1 | 04:16 |
| coderus | it shouldnt | 04:17 |
| coderus | so anyway down usb0 interface should work | 04:17 |
| coderus | why you say its not working? | 04:18 |
| [deXter] | it takes the if down but it doesn't update the routing table | 04:18 |
| coderus | just reconnect to wifi should help after | 04:18 |
| [deXter] | I already tried | 04:19 |
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| coderus | seems you donig something wrong initially | 04:19 |
| coderus | just wait for finland to wake up and help you :) | 04:19 |
| [deXter] | It's 7:20 AM lol | 04:20 |
| * [deXter] pokes Finland | 04:20 | |
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| squidd | wow | 04:29 |
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| squidd | it might be 7.29 but its still early | 04:29 |
| squidd | finland needs coffee | 04:30 |
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| [deXter] | fair enough :) | 04:31 |
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| [deXter] | Hi folks | 07:48 |
| Nicd- | hello [deXter] | 07:48 |
| [deXter] | How do I download files from webserver using the browser? There's no "save as" or "download" option.. | 07:49 |
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| Nicd- | try long tapping on the link. there were some options, I don't remember which | 07:50 |
| [deXter] | I did | 07:50 |
| [deXter] | There's like Share, Open in New Tab, Copy to clipboard | 07:50 |
| [deXter] | It seems to be some sort of an issue with the mime types | 07:51 |
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| [deXter] | I can download flac files, for eg by just clicking on it. If I download a .opus, it just plays it directly in the browser. If I click on an m4a or mp3, it just crashes the browser with no error message. | 07:52 |
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| tat | is there any documentation on the silfish sdk apart of the silicia stuff ? | 07:54 |
| Nicd- | what do you need? | 07:54 |
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| saidinesh5 | also can someone point me to the source code of Sailfish's Virtual Keyboard? | 07:55 |
| tat | well nfc communiciation | 07:55 |
| Nicd- | saidinesh5: I know it uses maliit | 07:55 |
| saidinesh5 | Nicd-: heh i know that :P | 07:55 |
| Nicd- | tat: the NFC in jolla is only for TOH identification | 07:56 |
| saidinesh5 | i was hoping to I would get something that Sailfish uses directly so that i don't have to rewrite the same code again | 07:56 |
| tat | well so i cant access the pn532 or whatever is used | 07:56 |
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| saidinesh5 | finally got maliiit to compile and run on desktop | 07:56 |
| Nicd- | tat: I don't know, that is not documented I think | 07:56 |
| Stskeeps | tat: pn544 | 07:57 |
| Nicd- | saidinesh5: have you looked at https://github.com/nemomobile? | 07:57 |
| saidinesh5 | Nicd-: oh maliit also has a nemomobile keyboard plugin | 07:57 |
| saidinesh5 | so Sailfish uses the same thing? | 07:57 |
| Stskeeps | we use a custom plugin | 07:57 |
| tat | Stskeeps: i see a package called tohd-plugin-nfc-nxp, is that the connector | 07:57 |
| saidinesh5 | Stskeeps: is it open? | 07:58 |
| Stskeeps | tat: in practice we don't have a NFC api | 07:58 |
| tat | but well can't i access it through the common way ? | 07:58 |
| tat | like libnfc, or whatever tohd is using | 07:58 |
| Stskeeps | tat: well, we have wrappers for libnfc.. sec | 07:59 |
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| amccarthy | tat: you can. you will need to be running as root, and it needs to be opened exclusively (stop tohd). Look at the nfc test code in libhybris. | 08:00 |
| tat | only as root, is that the other way, what if i want to build a nfc app | 08:01 |
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| amccarthy | tat: access permission for the nfc device are restricted to root, IIRC. | 08:02 |
| tat | by the way is pkcon somewhere documentet, i really miss manpages on that system | 08:02 |
| amccarthy | somewhere on the Internet :) | 08:02 |
| saidinesh5 | hmm... maybe i ll try using the openwebos' keyboard as a starting point. they seem to have most of the basics covered | 08:02 |
| coderus | pkcon is just cli for PackageKit | 08:03 |
| saidinesh5 | Stskeeps: so any maliit plugin should work with maliit on sailfish right? | 08:03 |
| phdeswer | tat: what you need to know. pkcon search name <thing you look for> , pkcon install <package name you want to install>, pkcon refresh | 08:05 |
| phdeswer | And the rest you can see with --help afaik | 08:05 |
| tat | how do i show contents of packages, how do i look for src packages | 08:05 |
| tat | ok got it, that is not possibil than | 08:06 |
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| faenil | tat, btw you can always install zypper | 08:07 |
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| phdeswer | tat contents of packages you can see with rpm (annoying, but documented), I think it might be capable of searching for source packages but I don't think there are many available | 08:09 |
| phdeswer | And as faenil said. zypper is somewhat better and easier to use. | 08:09 |
| SK_work | tat: go for zypper honestly | 08:10 |
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| saidinesh5 | oh grrr | 08:12 |
| saidinesh5 | webos keyboard apparently depends on their luna service | 08:12 |
| tat | any idea if there are headers available for /usr/lib/libnfc_nxp.so.1, | 08:12 |
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| [deXter] | Does the Media Player app support cover art? | 08:18 |
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| SK_work | [deXter]: yes | 08:20 |
| SK_work | works for me (if included in the media) | 08:20 |
| SK_work | [deXter]: I always easytag my media to have them clean and nice | 08:21 |
| [deXter] | SK_work, Is there any specification somewhere? Like, does it support cover.jpg or something? | 08:21 |
| SK_work | [deXter]: use a tag sw to write it inside the media | 08:21 |
| [deXter] | ah | 08:21 |
| SK_work | I know it works for mp3 | 08:21 |
| SK_work | use easytag on linux for example | 08:21 |
| SK_work | it works pretty well | 08:21 |
| [deXter] | Well I don't have any mp3 decoders installed for starters :/ | 08:22 |
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| tat | what the hack, who designed the nfc integration into that phone, nfc is only thought to be used with toh, that is complete nonsence, nfc has quiet some viable applications in mobile, and there are more to com in the future, how could you try to cut this HW feature down to only one application ? | 08:23 |
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| Stskeeps | tat: that was the choice done, it's in the spec sheets too | 08:24 |
| coderus | tat: what are you talking about? | 08:25 |
| tat | Stskeeps: well i understand that there have to be compromises, but this ... | 08:25 |
| tat | coderus: nfc as used in th jolla phone | 08:26 |
| flux | there should have been two nfc chips, but perhaps it would not have come as cheaply | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | tat: i don't disagree, fwiw -- but the hardware design was really difficult to get at to do properly | 08:26 |
| flux | but perhaps someone will implement will an nfc toh :) | 08:26 |
| coderus | tat: and usb is only for one direction, not for OTG, and some other things :) | 08:27 |
| Stskeeps | we don't have NFC apis, in qt, either. | 08:27 |
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| flux | or bluetooth le, that's annoying | 08:28 |
| flux | but at least that's fixable :) | 08:28 |
| tat | maybe in version 2.0 than :) | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | yeah..bluez4/5 kinda screwed us on that one, as well.. | 08:28 |
| flux | jolla was on the bluez4 camp currently, right? | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | right | 08:29 |
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| flux | any plans on trying to move forward? | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | it's currently being discussed on wtf we do, as we have to keep spread of sailfishos in mind.. | 08:29 |
| SK_work | flux: Stskeeps javispedro seems to have done something | 08:30 |
| SK_work | but he shares Stskeeps 's wtf | 08:30 |
| flux | I'm hoping to do some ble stuff on jolla, I suppose the best way would be to do it directly on top of HCI then | 08:31 |
| flux | but would such app have a snowball's chance in hell gettint onto the store?-) | 08:31 |
| tbr | MUAHAHAHAHa | 08:31 |
| Stskeeps | let's cross that road when we get there.. | 08:31 |
| tbr | Qt doesn't even have BLE yet | 08:31 |
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| faenil | tbr, and when it'll be there, I guess it'll be for "enterprise"...gah | 08:42 |
| * Stskeeps blinks | 08:42 | |
| SK_work | faenil: :( | 08:43 |
| * SK_work is happy to have compiler not available for users, so that QML patching can continue :P | 08:43 | |
| coderus | SK_work: btw, i installed patchmanager yesterday | 08:48 |
| SK_work | coderus: ha ? | 08:48 |
| coderus | thinking about improvements i'd like to make | 08:48 |
| coderus | first need to install git locally and backup my /usr with git :D | 08:49 |
| coderus | and creating patches will be much easier then | 08:50 |
| SK_work | coderus: no need | 08:50 |
| SK_work | zypper in -f <somepackage> is enough :) | 08:50 |
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| SK_work | coderus: rpm -qf editedfile | 08:50 |
| SK_work | etc. | 08:50 |
| coderus | well | 08:50 |
| coderus | keeping in mind edited files isnt good | 08:50 |
| coderus | git is perfect solution imho | 08:51 |
| SK_work | coderus: right | 08:51 |
| SK_work | good luck indexing /usr thoug :d | 08:51 |
| kimmoli_sailing_ | git is there already? | 08:51 |
| SK_work | kimmoli_sailing_: it should be | 08:51 |
| coderus | just did pkcon install git and it was installed | 08:51 |
| SK_work | since the backup framework use git | 08:51 |
| kimmoli_sailing_ | yes | 08:51 |
| SK_work | coderus: easy ;) | 08:51 |
| coderus | probably it come from mer-tools i have enabled | 08:52 |
| kimmoli_sailing_ | it comes default | 08:52 |
| coderus | good | 08:52 |
| faenil | coderus, it is used by the backup framework in sailfish, so it's installed by default | 08:53 |
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| SK_work | faenil: libgit yes, not git :) | 08:53 |
| faenil | right | 08:54 |
| coderus | it will be nice to have git server and client :D | 08:56 |
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| coderus | operating with git tree without mounting folder locally :D | 08:56 |
| SK_work | coderus: port gitlab :D | 08:57 |
| coderus | :D | 08:58 |
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| spiiroin | amccarthy: tat: tohd is off the nfc except brief period after attaching a cover. so in theory it might work even without stopping tohd. | 08:58 |
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| flux | but does the ToH's NFC antenna swallow the energy from the Jolla chip? | 08:59 |
| SK_work | flux: should not | 08:59 |
| SK_work | there was a bug in 1.0.0.X but it got fixed | 08:59 |
| flux | but the upgrade didn't come to the ToH.. | 09:00 |
| flux | whenever you use NFC the RF energy from it ends up to the tag? | 09:00 |
| SK_work | flux: don't know the details, but iirc, it do this one time | 09:01 |
| flux | could work for two NFC tags, but probably the the energy is greatly reduced | 09:01 |
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| SK_work | well, I would say that I have an OH with toh, and don't see battery being sucked | 09:01 |
| flux | I understand the NFC messages themselves can contain a 'device prefix', and the tags listening them can stop listening if the prefix doesn't match | 09:02 |
| Nicd- | SK_work: that's because the NFC is not transmitting | 09:02 |
| Nicd- | but if someone were to make the NFC chip transmit something the OH would absorb that energy and the communication would fail | 09:02 |
| Nicd- | that's what flux means | 09:02 |
| flux | yes | 09:03 |
| flux | but, perhaps enough can leak through for a very-close-proximity tag to function | 09:03 |
| Nicd- | I've heard it's unlikely | 09:04 |
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| flux | or perhaps the energy could be fed with a much simpler ToH that only has a loop for transmitting it | 09:06 |
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| kimmoli | flux: are you talking about passive amplifier to NFC ? i.e. two antennas, one to couple to phone antenna, another to couple to external NFC tag? | 09:12 |
| flux | I was thinking active, but if a passive one would work, then even better :) | 09:13 |
| flux | (I don't know if it's feasible to amplify that band) | 09:14 |
| Stskeeps | i'm personally happy if anybody would want to do a NFC TOH. | 09:14 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not 100% sure if it is feasible. | 09:14 |
| kimmoli | i have parts to do such thing | 09:15 |
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| kimmoli | maybe with NXP PN532 | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | hrm, well, i meant more to simply lay out an antenna or something | 09:17 |
| kimmoli | might need some adhoc testing | 09:18 |
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| kimmoli | hmm... http://taoglas.com/images/product_images/original_images/FXR.01.A.pdf | 09:25 |
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| coderus | SK_work: http://paste.kde.org/pm42j9xqc | 09:57 |
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| SK_work | coderus: thanks :) | 10:09 |
| SK_work | hacking dialer is really nice and easy | 10:10 |
| SK_work | and you can get nice stuff :) | 10:10 |
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| tachikoma | great | 10:13 |
| tachikoma | after one day of trying i now can send mails again via smtp \o/ | 10:13 |
| coderus | SK_work: but it need qt5-qtdeclarative-import-sensors as dependency | 10:13 |
| tachikoma | and all i did to fix it was creating aand deleting the account for like 6 times | 10:14 |
| SK_work | coderus: package it as a package, and add the sensors as dep :) | 10:14 |
| tachikoma | now i need gpg integrated :) | 10:14 |
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| coderus | SK_work: can you send me any of patch spec? | 10:14 |
| SK_work | coderus: https://github.com/sfietkonstantin/pandora-box | 10:15 |
| tachikoma | this looks interesting: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83229 | 10:17 |
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| Mikkosssss_ | Is it possible to make patch for security code? | 10:22 |
| coderus | SK_work: thanks :) | 10:22 |
| coderus | Mikkosssss_: more info please :) | 10:22 |
| SK_work | Mikkosssss_: what do you want to do ? | 10:22 |
| Mikkosssss_ | Maze lock like most of android users have | 10:23 |
| SK_work | Mikkosssss_: I think no | 10:23 |
| Mikkosssss_ | but I would prefer 5x5 or more for more security | 10:23 |
| SK_work | the security code is stored in specific place etc, you cannot replace it easily by a maze | 10:23 |
| coderus | SK_work: well i think you can make simple algo for generating code sequence by maze | 10:24 |
| Mikkosssss_ | If you build maze and every maze dot sends number and finger release is number? | 10:24 |
| Mikkosssss_ | finger release sends it* | 10:25 |
| SK_work | coderus: don't know the limit length for code (it should be between 5 and 8 iirc) | 10:25 |
| SK_work | coderus: yep, it could be interesting | 10:25 |
| coderus | SK_work: it doesnt matter really | 10:25 |
| Mikkosssss_ | but if you make it dont do 3x3 Its almost like no code. I have guessed so many of them. | 10:27 |
| Nicd- | it would have to be 3x3 + 1 though because of the numpad below it | 10:29 |
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| Mikkosssss_ | or all dots send 2 numbers and you could get 4 dot security code | 10:31 |
| Mikkosssss_ | if you have 6x6=36 dots its hard to guess | 10:32 |
| Mikkosssss_ | like if you pull your finger on top row from left to right your code would be 01020304 | 10:32 |
| Mikkosssss_ | from top row corner to down 01071319 | 10:34 |
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| SK_work | Mikkosssss_: mind learning coding :) ? | 10:40 |
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| Mikkosssss_ | I have some apps coming but slow because every component and thing I want to do needs google | 10:41 |
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| Mikkosssss_ | and I can only do on weekends because I got no laptop | 10:42 |
| SK_work | Mikkosssss_: I want you to study homescreen, and see how lockscreen is implemented | 10:43 |
| SK_work | (use pandora) | 10:43 |
| SK_work | afterwards, it's pretty easy to write a patch | 10:43 |
| Mikkosssss_ | can I stydy it on phone where do I find homescreen qml files? SK_work | 10:48 |
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| SK_work | Mikkosssss_: install pandora enabled lipstick and patchmanager. Use patchmanager to dump qml files | 10:48 |
| SK_work | and find those files in /opt/lipstick-pandora/qml | 10:48 |
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| Mikkosssss_ | Ofc I have patchmanager installed <3 5x6 grid and settings | 10:52 |
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| SK_work | ^ that's a nice quit message | 10:58 |
| Nicd- | also goes for jollas? | 10:58 |
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| SK_work | Nicd-: without my Jolla I'm useless ? Without me my Jolla is useless ? | 10:59 |
| SK_work | kinda | 10:59 |
| Nicd- | well I feel like that currently as my jolla is in service :D | 11:00 |
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| joonahoi | sadly doesn't go the other way around, as jolla has true multiprocessing, even the background processes live on without the user ;) | 11:05 |
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| javispedro | nah, you need user to press power button or keep wakelock | 11:06 |
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| javispedro | did I mention how much I hate wakelocks? :) | 11:06 |
| SK_work | :) | 11:06 |
| joonahoi | javispedro: the processes are still executing in the background, not at the full speed, but they are | 11:06 |
| suosaask1 | symbian has multiprocessing, too. :) | 11:06 |
| javispedro | joonahoi: not if screen is off! | 11:07 |
| suosaask1 | well, at least multitasking. | 11:07 |
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| joonahoi | javispedro: they are, i just drained my battery the other day when i had some debugging going on at the background in fingerterm | 11:07 |
| joonahoi | and forgot it there ;) | 11:07 |
| Juuba | yeah | 11:07 |
| joonahoi | it kept the data connections active etc for the whole night | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | the wifi does some kind of connected standby | 11:08 |
| javispedro | joonahoi: | 11:08 |
| javispedro | <joonahoi> it kept the data connections active etc for the whole night | 11:08 |
| javispedro | <Stskeeps> the wifi does some kind of connected standby | 11:08 |
| javispedro | oops | 11:08 |
| Juuba | also sftp transfer do work if the Screen shuts off... only the response times and transfer rates slow down | 11:08 |
| javispedro | joonahoi: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1411734 | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | so it is suspended but wakes up when data incomes | 11:08 |
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| joonahoi | i was actually on 3g, wifi off | 11:09 |
| javispedro | joonahoi: if you keep transferring to it it will wake up, if you don't, it'll suspend... so, the user is required :) | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | or 3g | 11:09 |
| joonahoi | was debugging over ssh | 11:09 |
| javispedro | I am still heavily surprised why doesn't people immediately notice opportunistic suspend. | 11:10 |
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| javispedro | I must presume there's some kind of daemon that suspends my phone the moment it detects I want it to stay awake | 11:14 |
| javispedro | =) | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | betatesting SailfishOS UI | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | err.. | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | AI | 11:15 |
| javispedro | ok, you had me surprised for a moment :) | 11:16 |
| javispedro | fortunately I'm happy with mce "early" policy aka keeping mce_screen_on wakelock on | 11:16 |
| javispedro | closest to real "connected standby" as it seems wlan enters some powersaving mode. | 11:16 |
| javispedro | but CPU stays awake | 11:16 |
| Mikkosssss_ | SK_work: Found from qml that max code was 10 before testing in lockscreen. :D How I test my patch if I write one? Ofc I can test looks on sdk but does it work? | 11:18 |
| javispedro | ok, bbl -- cya in the meeting. | 11:18 |
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| SK_work | Mikkosssss_: I usually directly write into the files I want to override | 11:23 |
| SK_work | (after backing them up) | 11:23 |
| SK_work | and then I diff with my backup | 11:23 |
| SK_work | Mikkosssss_: but WARNING | 11:23 |
| SK_work | if there is a limit of 10, I guess there are reasons | 11:23 |
| SK_work | Mikkosssss_: you can ping Jonni to know why | 11:24 |
| Mikkosssss_ | Ofc I dont try to send longer than 10 | 11:24 |
| Jonni | SK_work: well limit of 10 was more like UI design reasons. I might change the limits to be configurable in future. As longer codes are safer. | 11:25 |
| SK_work | Jonni: indeed | 11:25 |
| Mikkosssss_ | cant find right qml file. In devicelock.qml theres no numbers? | 11:25 |
| SK_work | but Mikkosssss_ want to fiddle with config | 11:26 |
| Mikkosssss_ | I dont have qml eye yet | 11:26 |
| Jonni | but anyways thanks for reminding me, I'll write a todo note for myself. | 11:26 |
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| SK_work | Jonni: do you think Mikkosssss_ will brick totally his device if he tries > 10 ? :) | 11:26 |
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| SK_work | Mikkosssss_: can't help you | 11:26 |
| SK_work | I have not read all qml code from jolla | 11:26 |
| Mikkosssss_ | Phone might explode | 11:27 |
| Jonni | SK_work: well the commandline accepts even 1000+ characters, so its just ui limit | 11:27 |
| SK_work | Jonni: so he need to be cautious about QML hack | 11:27 |
| SK_work | thanks Jonni | 11:27 |
| Jonni | but anyways becaus of mfe, there will be tweaks in lockcode side in coming updates, so it will be more configurable. | 11:28 |
| SK_work | mfe = mail for exchange right ? | 11:30 |
| SK_work | Jonni: do you think that mazelock could come at some point like what Mikkosssss_ want ? | 11:30 |
| SK_work | shouldn't be that hard right ? only ui need change | 11:30 |
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| Jonni | SK_work: in theory yes 5x5 mazelock would be possible in future. At somepoint we might even allow characters in lockcode, that would enable you easily do 6x6 grid. | 11:36 |
| Jonni | actually commandline already accepts characters, so you can already do 6x6 mazelock, only thing that you need to be carefull is sw updates, if you happen to overwrite your patches, then your locked out of your device. | 11:38 |
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| SK_work | Jonni: exactly :( | 11:38 |
| Jonni | (well you can always recover from rescue-mode, but thats not for normal users). | 11:39 |
| Jonni | recovery-mode evne | 11:39 |
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| Jonni | you might want to plus vote https://together.jolla.com/question/43118/feature-request-mazelock-like-lockscreen-option/ if you want the feature to be implemented by us. | 11:41 |
| Jonni | (or if community manages to make nice enough implementation we might be able to include it in default image)... | 11:42 |
| flux | does the API to implement custom lock screens exist? | 11:43 |
| SK_work | flux: no | 11:43 |
| SK_work | Jonni: how do you include nice implementations | 11:44 |
| flux | if I needed to choose between those two, I know which one I would choose :) | 11:44 |
| flux | ie. facial recognition-based locking would be nice | 11:44 |
| flux | (with pin-bypass) | 11:44 |
| SK_work | flux: :( | 11:44 |
| SK_work | don't like this | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | perhaps we should consider pluggable lock screens? | 11:45 |
| Jonni | SK_work: flux: well actually lipstick sources has the API documented. | 11:45 |
| SK_work | hum ... | 11:45 |
| SK_work | this is becoming interesting: ) | 11:45 |
| Jonni | 'well not official api' but it has sources which call the check, set, and state functionality. | 11:45 |
| Jonni | but basicly you can do your own custom qml ui and use same calls to store the code in backend. | 11:46 |
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| Jonni | https://github.com/nemomobile/lipstick/blob/master/src/devicelock/devicelock.cpp | 11:48 |
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| Jonni | but yes it would be interesitng to have similar kind of settings in devicelock than in android, that you could choose between digit vs maze ui's. | 11:51 |
| tachikoma | strupid question - but where on the jolla phone are the mails stored? | 11:53 |
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| Stskeeps | $HOME/.qmf ish? | 11:53 |
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| tachikoma | ok, then I'm looking at the right spot | 11:54 |
| tachikoma | *facepalm* - if i only fetch mails from yesterday i won;t find any from last week there ... | 11:55 |
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| Yaniel | I thought your kind prefers natural oil... | 11:58 |
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| Mikkosssss_ | Jonni: Cant find gml where devicelock "keyboard" is? I can find hearder and "wrong code" text. | 12:06 |
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| SK_work | Mikkosssss_: dialer I guess | 12:07 |
| SK_work | it's a silica component | 12:07 |
| tachikoma | Stskeeps: mh, weird, i sent myself an encrypted mail and now fetched that. When i grep for GnuPG in ~/.qmf I can't find that ... | 12:07 |
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| Jonni | Mikkosssss_: PinInput.qml | 12:12 |
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| Mikkosssss_ | Jonni: Its sim code? | 12:12 |
| Jonni | Mikkosssss_: its in jolla-settings-system, but maybe you just use find from system root dir :) | 12:14 |
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| Wnt | SK_work, Jonni there is also this question in jtc with more votes already: https://together.jolla.com/question/18090/alternative-unlock-screen | 12:15 |
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| Mikkosssss_ | Jonni: I cant uderstand your instruction. :p | 12:33 |
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| marxistvegan | vgrade: i just became aware of the 1.0.3.7 build on the site you shared, is that stable or more testing? | 13:46 |
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| kontio | stephg: Stskeeps: regarding mervncserver, true currently all is hardcoded for the Jolla phone, would be nice if software could dedect by it self on what hw it is running and 'self' configure, but I'm also fine to have a config file per hardware... | 14:01 |
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| stephg | hey kontio, only reason I was asking was it seemed to me that the sensible thing was that (where possible) each HA presented the same devices | 14:07 |
| kontio | HA? what does it stand for in this context? | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | hardware adaptation :) | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | and not hells angels.. | 14:09 |
| stephg | hehe | 14:09 |
| kontio | those I just meet from time to time in a bar :) | 14:09 |
| kontio | ah you mean each HA adaption would present rndis0 has it's usb device? | 14:10 |
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| stephg | yeah | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | most yeah | 14:18 |
| fzk | #social goes hells angels | 14:19 |
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| flux | btw, if you're not going to add configuration 'now', perhaps at least allowing localhost would be nice? that would allow using ssh forwards in a pinch. | 14:39 |
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| coderus | marxistvegan: N9? | 14:49 |
| marxistvegan | coderus: yes | 14:49 |
| coderus | marxistvegan: its just PoC | 14:49 |
| marxistvegan | coderus: the 1.0.3.7? | 14:50 |
| coderus | screen orientation handling wrong | 14:50 |
| coderus | yes | 14:50 |
| marxistvegan | ahh | 14:50 |
| coderus | 1.0.2.5 last working | 14:50 |
| marxistvegan | i see | 14:50 |
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| marxistvegan | coderus: I want to update via command if I can but when I run zypper ref it keeps having problems with jolla repos and wanting me to enter my store account credentials which it does not accept, have you ever run into that? | 14:51 |
| marxistvegan | fyi i did ssu re 1.0.2.5 | 14:51 |
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| lbt | PSA: community meeting in #mer-meeting | 15:01 |
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| marxistvegan | just want to say thanks to all that are working on sailfishOS i am really liking the experience so far on the N9 | 16:21 |
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| w00t | pleased to hear it | 16:27 |
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| saidinesh5 | marxistvegan: oh? which version? | 16:30 |
| marxistvegan | saidinesh5: I am running 1.0.2.5 at the moment, it is my first experience with sailfish | 16:31 |
| saidinesh5 | ah nevermind | 16:31 |
| saidinesh5 | i scrolled up | 16:31 |
| saidinesh5 | Ahh | 16:31 |
| saidinesh5 | the screen orientation is right now? | 16:31 |
| marxistvegan | saidinesh5: yeah it is, i had installed a different 1.0.2.5 before vgrade gave me a better one and that old one had screen orientation issues with wifi | 16:32 |
| marxistvegan | but that seems fixed in the one I am running now | 16:32 |
| saidinesh5 | marxistvegan: links please? | 16:32 |
| saidinesh5 | #timeToReflash | 16:32 |
| saidinesh5 | marxistvegan: also is the video working on yours? | 16:32 |
| marxistvegan | saidinesh5: i am using this one http://images.formeego.org/n950/sailfish/ | 16:33 |
| marxistvegan | saidinesh5: that I have not tried cause well i did not use video on harmattan | 16:33 |
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| saidinesh5 | Ah could you please try? | 16:33 |
| saidinesh5 | Also why 1.0.2.5 when there is a 1.0.3.7 ? | 16:33 |
| marxistvegan | saidinesh5: as coderus said on the n9 it has issues | 16:34 |
| saidinesh5 | oh | 16:34 |
| marxistvegan | saidinesh5: I have no videos on my device to play :( | 16:34 |
| saidinesh5 | oh | 16:35 |
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| * saidinesh5 is patiently downloading the better 1.0.2.5 image on his slow net | 16:38 | |
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| saidinesh5 | ermm... | 17:14 |
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| saidinesh5 | marxistvegan: which edge do you have to swipe from to close an app in your sailfish on N9? | 17:14 |
| marxistvegan | saidinesh5: the right to left | 17:15 |
| marxistvegan | from the outside of the screen | 17:15 |
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| saidinesh5 | Ah lol | 17:15 |
| saidinesh5 | you made me reflash the same image i already had | 17:15 |
| marxistvegan | hahah | 17:15 |
| marxistvegan | sorry | 17:15 |
| saidinesh5 | heh is okay | 17:15 |
| marxistvegan | i did say I was new to this ;) | 17:16 |
| marxistvegan | did they change that closing method in a newer version? | 17:16 |
| saidinesh5 | lol but i knew someone was working on that screen orientation issue | 17:16 |
| saidinesh5 | the right to left swiping is a bug | 17:16 |
| saidinesh5 | it was meant to be top to bottom | 17:16 |
| saidinesh5 | and nope videos aren't working in this version | 17:16 |
| marxistvegan | saidinesh5: ohhh | 17:17 |
| marxistvegan | so like harmattan | 17:17 |
| marxistvegan | I do miss that ability to close | 17:17 |
| saidinesh5 | mhm | 17:17 |
| saidinesh5 | fortunately we can dualboot | 17:17 |
| marxistvegan | we can though I am trying to use sailfish as a daily driver | 17:17 |
| saidinesh5 | Ah you d be disappointed | 17:18 |
| saidinesh5 | afaik there were issues with call clarity | 17:18 |
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| marxistvegan | saidinesh5: the good thing is I barely use a phone to make calls | 17:18 |
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| saidinesh5 | lol | 17:18 |
| marxistvegan | in a week I might use it for a call once | 17:18 |
| marxistvegan | most of it is messaging | 17:18 |
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| saidinesh5 | Ah | 17:19 |
| saidinesh5 | out of curiousity, which language do you text in? | 17:19 |
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| marxistvegan | english and spanish | 17:21 |
| saidinesh5 | Ah okay | 17:22 |
| marxistvegan | saidinesh5: and yourself? | 17:23 |
| saidinesh5 | mostly english ... | 17:23 |
| saidinesh5 | rarely hindi(typed in english) | 17:24 |
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| rubdos | When I setup my personal email (telenet.be), my Jolla syncs one time my IMAP account, but then never syncs again, even when triggered manually | 17:28 |
| rubdos | any clue? | 17:28 |
| javispedro | rubdos: does it complete the sync but does not actually receive any mails? | 17:30 |
| javispedro | rubdos: or does it fail to complete the sync? does it show any error? | 17:30 |
| Nc_ | rubdos, I'd assume it was an issue at telenet, but then, I'm biased from living in Belgium ... | 17:30 |
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| rubdos | Nc_, well, my thunderbird does the job | 17:36 |
| rubdos | javispedro, let me see | 17:36 |
| rubdos | (so there ARE other Belgians using Jolla? :O ) | 17:36 |
| rubdos | The first option, javispedro | 17:37 |
| rubdos | it does complete the sync (pretty fast) but didn't receive any mail the past two days (that's the last time I tried adding the account again) | 17:37 |
| rubdos | I also check my emails on my notebook via IMAP, can it be that Jolla denies 'read' mails? | 17:37 |
| rubdos | (sorry for my late reply, I'm studying in the meanwhile. Engineers life...) | 17:40 |
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| rubdos | BTW, as I'm studying at VUB, I have an email address at my University, same settings, other server, works perfectly (except that I'm waiting on IDLE support) | 17:41 |
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| gabriel9 | is it possible to play some sound from /usr/share/sounds/jolla-ringtones/stereo/ | 18:07 |
| gabriel9 | using qml audio | 18:07 |
| gabriel9 | i added that path to source and it says File or directory does not exists | 18:08 |
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| gabriel9 | nwm i will try it when my device recharges | 18:10 |
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| marxistvegan | saidinesh5: do you know where the development is on the next versions for the N9 | 18:14 |
| marxistvegan | ? | 18:14 |
| saidinesh5 | marxistvegan: im afraid it was a deadend | 18:15 |
| saidinesh5 | some guy was trying to port a new kernel to N9 | 18:15 |
| saidinesh5 | and he became busy with other things | 18:15 |
| marxistvegan | saidinesh5: well that is the kernel development and last I saw that was on github right? | 18:15 |
| saidinesh5 | and afaik without that kernel there wont be any more updates to sailfish on n9 | 18:16 |
| marxistvegan | saidinesh5: this phone would be completely reborn with an updated kernel | 18:16 |
| marxistvegan | oh really | 18:16 |
| saidinesh5 | yep ... something something.......systemd something something | 18:16 |
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| marxistvegan | ha | 18:17 |
| marxistvegan | saidinesh5: is this the kernel you are talking about https://github.com/nemomobile/kernel-adaptation-n950-n9 | 18:17 |
| saidinesh5 | "Linux kernel release 3.x" => i think so | 18:18 |
| marxistvegan | saidinesh5: seems there was some work about 4 months ago | 18:18 |
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| * saidinesh5 looks | 18:19 | |
| saidinesh5 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90761&page=179 | 18:20 |
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| marxistvegan | saidinesh5: that seems even more encouraging considering it was from 2 weeks ago in the discussion | 18:22 |
| saidinesh5 | heh well.... lets see what happens | 18:23 |
| marxistvegan | saidinesh5: though I am not sure where max83's code is | 18:23 |
| saidinesh5 | even NITDROID was a dead end afaik | 18:23 |
| saidinesh5 | marxistvegan: that would be in this page http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=90761&page=178 | 18:23 |
| marxistvegan | ugg that thing needs a git | 18:25 |
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| saidinesh5 | heh feel free to move it to github then | 18:27 |
| rubdos | marxistvegan, everything that's not in a git needs a git in this wordl | 18:27 |
| rubdos | world * | 18:27 |
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| marxistvegan | rubdos: not that git guarantees development will happen but certainly makes it easier to get involved in | 18:43 |
| marxistvegan | saidinesh5: i would not exactly know how to move it, which is my own short comings | 18:44 |
| tbr | cybette: if you expect me to be at a meeting and report status there, you could at least have the bloody dignity to let me know you do! Yes I'm pissed. | 18:47 |
| phdeswer | tbr must have been an unfortunate oversight. We'll have to get you a beer ;) | 18:48 |
| * tbr withholds further grumpy remarks, as he's in a bad mood already | 18:49 | |
| * tbr was at an newfactory event, trying to either find a new job or stay with some different department of his current job | 18:50 | |
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| * tbr would like to put on record that he's not fucking clairvoyant and did NOT know that someone put that topic there and that he was expected to report on it. | 18:57 | |
| * tbr continues to grumble | 18:57 | |
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| iekku | tbr, there there | 18:59 |
| coderus | Mikkosssss_: Jonni: SK_work: Maze Lock PoC Component: http://paste.kde.org/pzkqpno6p | 19:00 |
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| Stskeeps | tbr: i was surprised too, perhaps we need to lock topics when invite is sent out | 19:09 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: and send invite on time *HINT* | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 19:10 |
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| rubdos | So, upcoming version has LTE, great :D Any clue what these selected countries will be? | 19:21 |
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| stephg | rubdos: all of the countries!* | 19:26 |
| rubdos | * except: | 19:27 |
| rubdos | (please do not list Belgium, I'll kill you :P ) | 19:27 |
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| stephg | * https://together.jolla.com/question/43464/next-os-update-in-early-june/ | 19:27 |
| raa70 | if they change their lte networks to jolla supported ones? | 19:27 |
| rubdos | Oh, all users | 19:28 |
| rubdos | great | 19:28 |
| stephg | we get it if our networks support the frequencies | 19:28 |
| stephg | exactly :) | 19:28 |
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| Nc_ | rubdos, I read somewhere that Belgacrap/Proximus should be able to support LTE on Jolla ... can't recall where though | 19:29 |
| Nc_ | no idea about other providers though | 19:29 |
| rubdos | Nc_, I'm mobile viking, no idea what other providers are doing in this country :P | 19:29 |
| uvatvmw | The feature description doesn't mention if 4g/lte will also be enabled for the Nexus4 port. (was it disabled to begin with?) | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | n4 doesn't come with lte oob though | 19:30 |
| Nc_ | Mobile Viking? nice :) | 19:30 |
| rubdos | Viking indeed | 19:30 |
| rubdos | 15 euro's a month, 2GB internet, 2k smsses, 0.3k smsses to own network a day :P | 19:30 |
| Nc_ | they have good pricing - and people I spoke with were generally quite pleased with them | 19:31 |
| rubdos | I'm viking for about two years, love it :) | 19:31 |
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| uvatvmw | Stskeeps: I'm not so sure... I remember seeing some app on xda that would enable 4g/lte there | 19:32 |
| rubdos | Other question: the CalDAV support, is that only for those specified providers, or will I be able to add custom CalDAV servers? | 19:33 |
| rubdos | That way I can sync up my Universities calendar | 19:33 |
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| tbr | Stskeeps: I thought it was only disabled on the US version? | 19:37 |
| vivia | uhm, sorry but i don't know where else to ask, my N9's usb port is broken and i need a hack to be able to charge it | 19:38 |
| vivia | is there anyone who could help? | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: hmm.. | 19:38 |
| tbr | but don't know for sure | 19:38 |
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| uvatvmw | Stskeeps: I might be wrong. some users found an LTE chip in the n4 and xda has a thread for enabling it: http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-4/themes-apps/app-nexus-4-modem-flasher-lte-enabler-t2607221 | 19:39 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah there's a lte chip likely | 19:39 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: seems I misremembered, the chipset supports it though | 19:40 |
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| Stskeeps | yes, others have hacked it | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | should prolly work with a bit of grease | 19:40 |
| tbr | only with the right baseband though. seems later baseband locks that | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 19:42 |
| * uvatvmw nods wisely without understanding anything | 19:43 | |
| tbr | Stskeeps: I think someone was already asking about running sailfish with "different baseband" and had weird effects, probably due to the ril getting confused... :-/ | 19:45 |
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| tortoisedoc | ahoi! | 20:44 |
| tortoisedoc | found yet another bug! :) | 20:44 |
| tortoisedoc | yab :P | 20:44 |
| rubdos | lol | 20:44 |
| rubdos | Kill it | 20:45 |
| tortoisedoc | lol | 20:45 |
| tortoisedoc | i cant | 20:45 |
| rubdos | Like I do. Mosquito season started | 20:45 |
| tortoisedoc | its in the Row element | 20:45 |
| rubdos | QML? | 20:45 |
| rubdos | Well, you should tell some insiders I guess :/ | 20:46 |
| rubdos | I'm just a user | 20:46 |
| tortoisedoc | grr | 20:47 |
| tortoisedoc | they are all sleeping it seems :D | 20:47 |
| * tortoisedoc pokes StsKeeps | 20:47 | |
| rubdos | Yes, it's freaky 23 o'clock ^^ | 20:47 |
| * tortoisedoc pokes Kaltsi | 20:47 | |
| rubdos | (in my timezone) | 20:47 |
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| tortoisedoc | kaltsi: see here http://pastebin.com/c73s0Rhx | 20:48 |
| tortoisedoc | StsKeeps: http://pastebin.com/c73s0Rhx | 20:48 |
| tortoisedoc | (and yes there is silica included) | 20:48 |
| tortoisedoc | first to answer wins one liter pint ;) | 20:48 |
| tortoisedoc | noone around :O | 20:48 |
| stephg | it's getting late tortoisedoc | 20:49 |
| rubdos | Are you sure on the Theme.iconSizeLauncher.width? :P | 20:49 |
| stephg | I for one though am interested in your litre pints :) | 20:49 |
| rubdos | hahaha lol | 20:49 |
| * rubdos loves the Jolla community | 20:50 | |
| rubdos | But Ruben's tired and is going to sleep... Gn everyone, keep on sailin'! | 20:50 |
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| kimmoli | gn | 20:50 |
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| stephg | night rubdos | 20:51 |
| tortoisedoc | stephg : aint never too late for a fix on a boat :P | 20:54 |
| tortoisedoc | maybe I should have said rum instead of beer :P | 20:54 |
| tortoisedoc | oh weöö | 20:56 |
| tortoisedoc | *well | 20:56 |
| stephg | awoombaway | 20:56 |
| stephg | ? | 20:56 |
| tortoisedoc | awoombaway`w05 | 20:56 |
| stephg | in the jungle... | 20:56 |
| tortoisedoc | hah | 20:56 |
| tortoisedoc | ok | 20:56 |
| tortoisedoc | gnite | 20:56 |
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| stephg | niiight | 20:57 |
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| kaltsi | hm so he left | 21:00 |
| stephg | it would seem | 21:00 |
| kaltsi | I think it should be just width Theme.iconSizeLauncher | 21:00 |
| kaltsi | width: Theme.iconSizeLauncher <= worksforme (tm) | 21:01 |
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| stephg | on the off chance I see him before you do I'll tell him | 21:11 |
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| kaltsi | ok :) | 21:15 |
| kaltsi | seems like that iconSizeLauncher is not presented in the Theme documentation index | 21:15 |
| kaltsi | https://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/qml-sailfishsilica-theme.html | 21:15 |
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| kaltsi | it's not listed in the properties section there, but can be found from the text | 21:16 |
| kaltsi | I'll ask if it's intentional, if not I'll get it fixed | 21:16 |
| stephg | cool | 21:17 |
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| cybette | tbr: sorry, the topic came in at the last minute, I didn't expect it either. but yes, improvements can/will be made. | 22:25 |
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| sledges | yup, topic came in last minute, and lbt has briefly shed some light on its current situation, so all good tbr <3 | 22:37 |
| lbt | very dim light | 22:38 |
| cybette | tbr: on the bright side, bringing up the topic had xmlich02 and M4rtinK volunteering to help with chum | 22:38 |
| lbt | more of a 1st gen cfd in a US power socket with a sock on it | 22:38 |
| sledges | that \o/ | 22:38 |
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| lbt | dim and smelly | 22:39 |
| sledges | how do they dim lights gradually in cinema theaters - the maintenance guy walks up to the wall and pulls the plug out of socket slowly slowly.... | 22:39 |
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| M4rtinK | lbt: sure let me know once the time comes :) | 22:39 |
| lbt | the time is now | 22:40 |
| M4rtinK | oh, nice | 22:40 |
| lbt | we can start outlining what community QA should do | 22:40 |
| lbt | and what it should not do | 22:40 |
| lbt | how to handle delays | 22:40 |
| lbt | we can start by looking back at maemo extras rules and/or apps4meego | 22:41 |
| lbt | sledges: I like that one | 22:42 |
| M4rtinK | I would say a good first step might be to basically clone what was done there | 22:42 |
| M4rtinK | and improve on top of it | 22:42 |
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| sledges | actually, least worst one yes :)) | 22:42 |
| lbt | well - lets document it first | 22:42 |
| lbt | just an outline | 22:42 |
| lbt | there are going to be varous classes of technical assesment | 22:43 |
| lbt | eg we may need (want) deeper approval for apps which are suid or run as root as daemons | 22:44 |
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| lbt | we may want all %post scripts to be manually reviewed by someone who knows what's what | 22:44 |
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| lbt | we may (or may not) care if an app actually does what it's supposed to do (eg is this app QA or packaging QA) | 22:45 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, the Fedora packaging guidelines might also provide some inspiration: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines | 22:46 |
| lbt | do we replicate harbour process at all (eg check for power, check for non-intrusion on core functionality like phonecalls) | 22:46 |
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| lbt | I think the harbour checks are mainly shared so we can copy as many/few of them as we like | 22:47 |
| lbt | but anyhow - that's all just common sense (provided you think/know a bit about the problem space) | 22:48 |
| lbt | I. however, am going to bed now :) | 22:48 |
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| M4rtinK | same thing :) | 22:49 |
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| M4rtinK | I'll tell xmlich02 that we are rolling :) | 22:49 |
| sledges | pun intended ;) | 22:52 |
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| lbt | http://autodoc.merproject.org/ | 22:56 |
| sledges | wowowow! | 22:57 |
| sledges | good start, but sleep 28800 time | 22:57 |
| lbt | f5 | 22:57 |
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| * sledges cant get the 'press 'a' joke ;) | 22:58 | |
| sledges | ok, too late for this, but nintendo rings a bell | 22:59 |
| faenil | I guess it's just vintage memories | 22:59 |
| faenil | yep | 22:59 |
| sledges | hey faenil , you'¶e not sleep 28800 ? ;) | 22:59 |
| faenil | just back home, going to bed now :) | 23:00 |
| sledges | good timing ^_^ | 23:00 |
| lbt | it was an nmi | 23:00 |
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