| plays2 | oh no i thought you said you were building for hammerhead hahaa | 00:00 |
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| fzk | hehe no | 00:00 |
| fzk | :-) | 00:00 |
| plays2 | well when you said add the --arch tag did you mean in the mic-create-bootstrap command or... | 00:01 |
| vgrade | fzk: which repos did you build from | 00:01 |
| fzk | plays2: yeah, mic2-line | 00:01 |
| plays2 | fzk: it says mic-create-bootstrap: error: no such option: --arch | 00:02 |
| fzk | vgrade: same as yours but set latest, but lets see if it works | 00:02 |
| fzk | i only got the loading screen so far | 00:02 |
| fzk | might be that thing with libgles2 | 00:03 |
| vgrade | ah ok, ;et me know as I've not built with latest yet. 1.0.4.x still had orientation issues | 00:03 |
| vgrade | post startup-wizzard | 00:04 |
| fzk | idk know how it looks and for how long it will do this, i wouldnt expect it to work :) | 00:04 |
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| fzk | looks like i gotta debug it :-) | 00:06 |
| vgrade | fzk: what did you see | 00:07 |
| vgrade | language selection screens the please wait then rotating icon? | 00:08 |
| fzk | yes, it started the rotating screen after those screens yes | 00:08 |
| vgrade | then what? | 00:08 |
| fzk | but rotating for a while->black screen->vibrated+started rotating again | 00:08 |
| vgrade | right | 00:09 |
| fzk | then doing that over and over again | 00:09 |
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| fzk | but i had some oddities while building, it was complaining about not finding libglesv2 | 00:09 |
| vgrade | ok, if you start with 1.0.2.5 that boots ok | 00:09 |
| vgrade | the you can zypper up | 00:11 |
| fzk | its possible to zypper up? | 00:11 |
| fzk | to latest? | 00:11 |
| vgrade | that will update you to latest | 00:11 |
| vgrade | http://images.formeego.org/n950/sailfish/ | 00:11 |
| vgrade | pre built at above link | 00:12 |
| fzk | yeah i know | 00:12 |
| vgrade | ok | 00:12 |
| fzk | thats the kickstarter i went from | 00:12 |
| fzk | but i want to 1.0.5.19 ;) | 00:12 |
| vgrade | feel free to tinker with 1.0.5.19 from kickstart, I'd like to know why lipstick is restarting | 00:14 |
| fzk | i just realized that i cannot type my password to my linuxws anymore | 00:14 |
| vgrade | which is what's happening with the vibrate and start of the rotating icon | 00:14 |
| fzk | yeah | 00:14 |
| fzk | probably something fails to load | 00:15 |
| vgrade | or lipsitck crashes | 00:15 |
| vgrade | and systemd restarts it | 00:15 |
| fzk | yeah | 00:21 |
| fzk | its called lipstick? | 00:21 |
| vgrade | yeah | 00:22 |
| fzk | lets check the logs | 00:23 |
| fzk | does it store any logs? | 00:25 |
| vgrade | not as default | 00:28 |
| fzk | how would we go for that? | 00:29 |
| vgrade | see systemd docs, I'm off for the night | 00:29 |
| fzk | mkay | 00:29 |
| fzk | nite | 00:29 |
| vgrade | nn | 00:29 |
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| Stskeeps | *** REMINDER: meeting (today) on SailfishOS, open source, collaboration: 6-May @ 10:00 UTC, https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-April/004098.html | 06:56 |
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| Nicd- | Stskeeps: is it free to join and idle, just to see what's discussed? or is there a "formal" process? :) | 07:25 |
| Stskeeps | yes, it's a open meeting | 07:25 |
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| Juuba | Jolla lost my Google Calendar stuff | 07:36 |
| Juuba | what do i do | 07:36 |
| Juuba | everything just vanished | 07:37 |
| tbr | reinstall the account? | 07:37 |
| SK_work | Juuba: tried refresh from the social network pane ? | 07:37 |
| SK_work | this _might_ trigger the sync feature | 07:37 |
| Juuba | what, where? | 07:37 |
| Juuba | where is the social, Settings - Accounts ? | 07:37 |
| SK_work | Juuba: nope, in the events view, the pull down menu | 07:38 |
| Juuba | eee | 07:39 |
| Juuba | oh there, "swipe from below" ? | 07:39 |
| chriadam | Juuba: do you have developer-mode activated? | 07:39 |
| Juuba | jup | 07:39 |
| chriadam | devel-su sqlite3 /home/nemo/.local/share/system/privileged/Calendar/mkcal/db "select * from Components;" | 07:39 |
| chriadam | see if the Google things are still there, but just not showing up in the UI for some reason | 07:40 |
| chriadam | the next thing to do is: | 07:40 |
| Juuba | err, oookay | 07:40 |
| Juuba | sec | 07:40 |
| chriadam | devel-su rm -rf /home/nemo/.local/share/system/privileged/Sync/gcal.ini | 07:40 |
| chriadam | dbus-send --session --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.meego.msyncd /synchronizer com.meego.msyncd.startSync string:'google.Calendars' | 07:40 |
| chriadam | that should ensure a "clean sync" of calendar data from Google. | 07:40 |
| SK_work | hello chriadam :) | 07:40 |
| Nicd- | that's nice to type on the virtual keyboard :D | 07:40 |
| chriadam | SK_work: hey mate, long time no see | 07:40 |
| chriadam | how's things? | 07:41 |
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| chriadam | Nicd-: haha. | 07:41 |
| SK_work | well, work, so basically no much IRC | 07:41 |
| Juuba | trying to connect via SSH :D | 07:41 |
| chriadam | yeah I recommend using ssh console for this ;-D | 07:41 |
| Juuba | i wont type that sh*t with vt :D | 07:41 |
| SK_work | ssh via usb is the best to have here :) | 07:41 |
| chriadam | SK_work: makes sense. How's work treating you? What are you doing? | 07:41 |
| Juuba | always a problem to connect via USB | 07:41 |
| Juuba | again it is not connecting | 07:41 |
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| SK_work | chriadam: work takes time :D I'm usually doing 10h per day (including lunch time and breaks) | 07:42 |
| SK_work | so basically, no time to hack :( | 07:42 |
| chriadam | yep, I know the feeling :-) | 07:42 |
| SK_work | I'm doing SW for trading support (in banks) | 07:42 |
| SK_work | (I'm not an evil trader though :)) | 07:42 |
| chriadam | oh right, nice | 07:42 |
| Juuba | meh | 07:42 |
| Juuba | not connecting, lets see if I can get Wifi to work | 07:43 |
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| Juuba | i'm 192.168.1.41, jolla is ...35 | 07:45 |
| Juuba | not connetcing | 07:45 |
| Juuba | :( | 07:45 |
| Juuba | let's try the obvious: restart phone | 07:46 |
| Juuba | don't know if the corporate wifi allows me to ssh to the phone | 07:48 |
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| SK_work | Juuba: not sure | 07:49 |
| Juuba | developer mode active, USB connected | 07:51 |
| Juuba | SSH is not connecting | 07:51 |
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| SK_work | Juuba: can you ping your device ? | 07:54 |
| Nicd- | is your local interface configured correctly? | 07:54 |
| Nicd- | on your computer | 07:54 |
| SK_work | Juuba: ssh -vvv ? | 07:54 |
| Juuba | it has worked a few times before | 07:55 |
| Juuba | but at work, every time I have "much problems, such wow" | 07:55 |
| Juuba | at home, no problems connetcing to SSH over network | 07:56 |
| Nicd- | different computer? | 07:56 |
| Juuba | sure | 07:56 |
| Nicd- | have you configured it on your work computer? | 07:56 |
| Juuba | yes, it has worked at work :D | 07:56 |
| Juuba | just not 100% ever | 07:56 |
| Nicd- | can you screenshot your config? | 07:57 |
| Juuba | i'm no linux propellerhead | 07:57 |
| Juuba | what do you need | 07:57 |
| Juuba | NDIS is installed, it seems to be ok | 07:57 |
| Nicd- | interface, ip, network, subnet mask, router ip | 07:57 |
| Juuba | of the NDIS on the PC? | 07:57 |
| Juuba | i'm not sure what to screenshot | 07:58 |
| Juuba | ipconfig? | 07:58 |
| Nicd- | the USB network interface on your PC | 07:58 |
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| Nicd- | ifconfig (or ip addr depending on your distro) might do | 07:58 |
| Juuba | windows7 | 07:58 |
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| Nicd- | ah, it's ipconfig then | 07:59 |
| chriadam | I have to head home. gnight, everyone. | 07:59 |
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| Juuba | at the moment the jolla Usb is borken,i tried "auto config (dhcp)" but it is not receiving an address from the phone | 07:59 |
| Nicd- | don't try DHCP | 08:00 |
| Nicd- | the phone doesn | 08:00 |
| Juuba | yeah | 08:00 |
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| Nicd- | doesn't run a DHCP server* | 08:00 |
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| Nicd- | you need to set static IPs | 08:00 |
| Juuba | doing it now | 08:01 |
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| Juuba | whoa, now it works | 08:01 |
| Juuba | exactly same config as 5 min ago | 08:02 |
| Juuba | :D | 08:02 |
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| Juuba | sqlite3 /home/nemo/.local/share/system/privileged/Calendar/mkcal/db "select * from Components;" | grep -i google | 08:04 |
| Juuba | 0 hits | 08:04 |
| Juuba | hmm | 08:04 |
| Juuba | i can see something if I search by "event name" | 08:04 |
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| Juuba | some stuff that I have in google-cal | 08:04 |
| Juuba | running the sync now, lessee | 08:06 |
| Juuba | *ding* | 08:07 |
| Juuba | there they are | 08:07 |
| Juuba | next question: What the heck happened? | 08:07 |
| Juuba | My jolla asked for a relogin to google, could that mess this up ? | 08:07 |
| Juuba | well, thanks for this, has bugged me for a few days.. | 08:09 |
| Juuba | quite a many hits in together.jolla.com | 08:09 |
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| Juuba | how do do a similar refres for FB events ? | 08:10 |
| SK_work | Juuba: in the dbus call, replace google by facebook (iirc) | 08:11 |
| SK_work | dbus-send --session --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.meego.msyncd /synchronizer com.meego.msyncd.startSync string:'facebook.Calendars' | 08:12 |
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| Juuba | do i need to delete something before that? | 08:12 |
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| william_gen | hi,howto ssh to N4 with sailfish os? | 08:17 |
| Stskeeps | it's listed in the mail isn't it? | 08:17 |
| william_gen | 1. Enable remote connection in Settings->System->Developer mode | 08:17 |
| william_gen | 2. Set your USB interface on host machine to IP 192.168.2.2 | 08:17 |
| william_gen | BUT where to set USB interface on host machine IP ? | 08:17 |
| Juuba | depends on your machine? in windows: Network and sharing center - find your "device" and open that, then set IP4 properties | 08:19 |
| Juuba | win7/8 | 08:19 |
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| SK_work | Juuba: don't thuink so | 08:19 |
| william_gen | oh | 08:19 |
| william_gen | BUT it says 'USB interface on host machine' | 08:20 |
| Juuba | host machine is the .. hos :D | 08:20 |
| Juuba | host* | 08:20 |
| Juuba | your PC, whatever you "SSH from" | 08:21 |
| william_gen | i know its in host | 08:22 |
| william_gen | but why 'USB interface'? | 08:22 |
| Juuba | not in host | 08:22 |
| Juuba | but the host, as in computer | 08:22 |
| Juuba | if you are using USB connection to connect to the phon, then you need to configure the USB interface | 08:23 |
| william_gen | how to configure the USB interface? | 08:24 |
| ballock | william_gen: what kernel are you running? | 08:27 |
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| william_gen | ballock: 3.4.0,sailfish os EA2 foe N4 | 08:28 |
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| ballock | and on the pc? | 08:28 |
| william_gen | on Nexus 4 | 08:29 |
| william_gen | my PC run windows 7 | 08:29 |
| ballock | oh, sorry, can't help you then | 08:30 |
| Juuba | on Win7 you configure the USB like so: | 08:30 |
| Juuba | http://i.imgur.com/EWkpIOx.png | 08:30 |
| william_gen | i will see it,thanks first | 08:30 |
| Juuba | that "jolla" is a name I gave to the connection | 08:30 |
| Juuba | can't remember what it was by default | 08:30 |
| locusf | nice picture | 08:31 |
| Juuba | quick n' dirty | 08:31 |
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| william_gen | not 'nemo' | 08:31 |
| william_gen | ? | 08:31 |
| Juuba | might be "NDIS something..." | 08:32 |
| Juuba | the adapter is called: | 08:33 |
| Juuba | "Remote NDIS based Internet Sharing Device" | 08:33 |
| Juuba | the connection name could be something like "Local Area connection #47" | 08:33 |
| william_gen | I have installed some drivers,and "NDIS something..." appears.but now,after a auto searching of driver,it gone | 08:33 |
| Juuba | the number is just a running number | 08:33 |
| Juuba | phone is connectde? | 08:33 |
| Juuba | connected* | 08:34 |
| william_gen | yes | 08:34 |
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| Juuba | try removeing it and reconn | 08:34 |
| Juuba | select Developer | 08:34 |
| william_gen | it gone,instead, the display name is "Nexus 4",not "NDIS something..." | 08:35 |
| Juuba | okay | 08:35 |
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| Juuba | like i said, i dont' remember what it was, i did the renaming weeks ago | 08:35 |
| Juuba | :( | 08:35 |
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| william_gen | thanks | 08:36 |
| Juuba | np | 08:36 |
| Juuba | this is heap of .. configuring :D | 08:37 |
| Juuba | and for me | 08:37 |
| Juuba | it work 66% of the time | 08:37 |
| Juuba | then it just breaks down | 08:37 |
| Juuba | and I need to reconfigure it to the same settings, and then it works again | 08:37 |
| Juuba | might be windows, might be the office/corporate LAN/WIFI... might be me... might be Sailfish | 08:37 |
| Juuba | too many moving parts :D | 08:37 |
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| branek | -join #mer | 08:38 |
| branek | oops | 08:38 |
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| william_gen | Juuba: how do you access the internal SDcard of N4 when using sailfish os on it? | 08:38 |
| Juuba | hmm | 08:39 |
| Juuba | not suer of nexus4 | 08:39 |
| Juuba | but in Jolla it is named... sec | 08:39 |
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| Juuba | /media/sdcard | 08:41 |
| Juuba | i think it was | 08:41 |
| Juuba | under that there is a "serial number of the drive" | 08:41 |
| Juuba | in other news: this is something i'd like to do later :D | 08:42 |
| Juuba | this: https://together.jolla.com/question/40802/how-to-format-your-usd-card-to-btrfs-and-share-space-with-android/ | 08:42 |
| Juuba | jus tnot now | 08:42 |
| Juuba | time to work -> | 08:42 |
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| squidd | meh why is sailfish browser stupid | 09:14 |
| squidd | why does it reload the page when I change tab | 09:14 |
| Stskeeps | well, it doesn't have real tabs | 09:15 |
| stephg | squidd: that's how it works at the moment | 09:15 |
| Nicd- | try webcat if you don't want that | 09:15 |
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| flux | ..or firefox in android | 09:16 |
| squidd | tab is a lie :( | 09:16 |
| flux | everything works there except private browsing tabs and videos | 09:16 |
| flux | well, maybe html5 video works, haven't actively tried that | 09:16 |
| flux | oh, and sync. sync would be nice.. | 09:16 |
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| flux | and it seems sync works nowadays as well | 09:18 |
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| Juuba | i'm unable to configure firefox addons to jlla browser nowadays | 09:19 |
| Juuba | it worked earlier | 09:19 |
| Juuba | ad-block etc.. | 09:19 |
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| Juuba | the page is scaled so that everything is out of frame | 09:20 |
| Juuba | cannot access the settings | 09:20 |
| Juuba | about:addons or what the address was | 09:20 |
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| flux | works for me(TM) | 09:21 |
| Juuba | i was able to do it earlier, like a few months ago | 09:22 |
| Juuba | but not now | 09:22 |
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| Juuba | it's like this: http://i.imgur.com/7wKL7lL.jpg | 09:26 |
| Juuba | and landscape: http://i.imgur.com/XVk52i3.jpg | 09:26 |
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| lsme | Hi people. Just a quick question. Can I do something like "apt-get install openssh" or similar in SailfishOS? | 09:41 |
| Nicd- | yes, but the default package manager is pkcon | 09:42 |
| Nicd- | and the packages are rpm instead of deb | 09:42 |
| lsme | Or anything along those lines that doesn't include some "app store", or account, etc | 09:42 |
| lsme | I see | 09:42 |
| Nicd- | you can add any repository you want | 09:42 |
| Nicd- | of course you'd need to get packages that are compatible, you can't just install any rpm | 09:43 |
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| lsme | Of course, it needs to be ARM among other things | 09:43 |
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| lsme | Is there a way to browse the list of packages/apps for Jolla? | 09:43 |
| lsme | Without having a Jolla that is | 09:44 |
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| Nicd- | sadly there is no web UI for the app store | 09:45 |
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| flux | probably a smart move to not show the list to non-believers :P | 09:47 |
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| lsme | Ah... well is there a nice client to control transmission-daemon? | 09:50 |
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| SK_work | cybette: workaholic: on sick leave, but in the meeting :D | 10:05 |
| cybette | SK_work: I can't help it! my mind will be on the meeting anyways :P | 10:06 |
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| SK_work | :) | 10:07 |
| fzk | awesome, now debugging time :-) | 10:08 |
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| Umeaboy | I wonder if Sailfish OS would run smoothly on a Acer T272HULbmidpcz | 10:17 |
| Umeaboy | I'd like to try if I had that monitor. | 10:17 |
| Umeaboy | It's quite expensive thou. | 10:17 |
| Umeaboy | Almost 7000 SEK. | 10:17 |
| Nicd- | looks like someone fell asleep on the keyboard while naming the device | 10:18 |
| Nicd- | Acer T272GOKEaogoneaniynaiptpppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | uh-huh | 10:18 |
| SK_work | what a name :O | 10:23 |
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| leszek | hi | 10:40 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | any jolla hardware specialist here ? | 11:29 |
| leszek | dr_gogeta86: we'll see when you asked your question | 11:30 |
| dr_gogeta86 | I wanna know is it possible | 11:30 |
| dr_gogeta86 | where to get a replacement for vibra motor | 11:31 |
| dr_gogeta86 | just say lnl | 11:31 |
| dr_gogeta86 | but no model inside | 11:31 |
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| cos- | i think there is some support email address for jolla, perhaps you could ask them | 11:35 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | care@jolla | 11:35 |
| lbt | dr_gogeta86: that's the best approach, yes | 11:35 |
| dr_gogeta86 | I don't wanna send my phone in finland | 11:36 |
| dr_gogeta86 | :-D | 11:36 |
| lbt | dr_gogeta86: yeah - talk to them first | 11:37 |
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| SmarteX | Hi | 11:38 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | lbt, sent | 11:42 |
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| gabriel9|work | wth is this: Cannot mix incompatible Qt library (version 0x40806) with this library (version 0x40805) | 11:58 |
| gabriel9|work | when trying to run sailfish ide | 11:58 |
| gabriel9|work | my host is arch with kde | 11:59 |
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| SK_work | gabriel9|work: wild guess: you have kde plugins loaded | 12:01 |
| SK_work | can you try with a DE without Qt ? | 12:02 |
| SK_work | (eg gnome) | 12:02 |
| gabriel9|work | yes there is setted QT_PLUGIN_PATH | 12:02 |
| gabriel9|work | i can't, i do not have gnome :/ | 12:02 |
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| SK_work | unset QT_PLUGIN_PATH ? | 12:03 |
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| gabriel9|work | i could try | 12:03 |
| gabriel9|work | is there to unset just for sailfish ide? | 12:03 |
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| SmarteX_ | Stskeeps: Have you received my mail? | 12:05 |
| gabriel9|work | unset works | 12:06 |
| SK_work | gabriel9|work: create your own shell script that launch sailfish ide | 12:06 |
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| gabriel9|work | i see there is qtcreator.sh | 12:07 |
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| Stskeeps | SmarteX_: yes will review later | 12:08 |
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| SK_work | gabriel9|work: yep, invoke this | 12:08 |
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| ArthurArtoria | T ^ T | 12:39 |
| ArthurArtoria | Anyone could help me about the issue of development ? | 12:39 |
| ArthurArtoria | SailfishOS uses many new built-in components | 12:40 |
| ArthurArtoria | but I cannot find the alternative of popup menu in N9 ? | 12:41 |
| cos- | you need to ask the question first | 12:41 |
| ArthurArtoria | http://kb.mit.edu/confluence/download/attachments/68583527/cnc_wpa_eap_type.png | 12:41 |
| ArthurArtoria | the component in the photo | 12:41 |
| SK_work | ArthurArtoria: use dropdown menu | 12:41 |
| SK_work | or use attached page | 12:41 |
| ArthurArtoria | I tried the contextMenu of Sailfish, but it seems that it only works with a listiView | 12:42 |
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| SK_work | ArthurArtoria: nope | 12:42 |
| SK_work | https://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/qml-sailfishsilica-listitem.html | 12:42 |
| SK_work | use this item that's all | 12:42 |
| ArthurArtoria | <SK_work> you mean the pullDown Menu and pushUp Menu ? | 12:43 |
| SK_work | ArthurArtoria: nope | 12:44 |
| ArthurArtoria | The link you posted | 12:44 |
| SK_work | just the classic drop context menu | 12:44 |
| ArthurArtoria | That is the link you posted ? . ? | 12:44 |
| SK_work | ArthurArtoria: https://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/qml-sailfishsilica-contextmenu.html | 12:44 |
| SK_work | ArthurArtoria: that's not | 12:44 |
| ArthurArtoria | https://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/qml-sailfishsilica-contextmenu.html This component, right ? | 12:45 |
| SK_work | yes | 12:45 |
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| ArthurArtoria | I still have a few questions :) | 12:46 |
| SK_work | ArthurArtoria: np | 12:47 |
| SK_work | ask | 12:47 |
| ArthurArtoria | this contextMenu only support with listview, right ? | 12:47 |
| ArthurArtoria | I attached this contextMenu by | 12:47 |
| SK_work | no | 12:48 |
| SK_work | you can use a list item alone | 12:48 |
| ArthurArtoria | contextMenu.show(row) //which row is the ID referring to Row | 12:48 |
| ArthurArtoria | but it doesn't work | 12:48 |
| ArthurArtoria | Moreover, the key problem is that.. | 12:49 |
| ArthurArtoria | this menu is really not similar to N9 's popup menu | 12:49 |
| SK_work | ArthurArtoria: https://github.com/SfietKonstantin/friends-sailfish/blob/master/src/qml/EventPage.qml#L167 | 12:50 |
| SK_work | ArthurArtoria: there is no popup menu | 12:50 |
| ArthurArtoria | This one in sailfish it occupies sapce and area | 12:50 |
| SK_work | so you have to sue a different menu | 12:50 |
| SK_work | how many items do you have ? | 12:50 |
| ArthurArtoria | I want a indepent menu for selecting something | 12:50 |
| SK_work | is this needed to be independant ? | 12:51 |
| ArthurArtoria | this menu is for selecting the candidate list in a input method | 12:51 |
| SK_work | why ? | 12:51 |
| SK_work | ArthurArtoria: ah | 12:51 |
| SK_work | then it's not good either to have a context menu | 12:51 |
| ArthurArtoria | http://marxoft.co.uk/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/musikloud_transfers_sailfish.png | 12:51 |
| ArthurArtoria | This is the context Menu | 12:52 |
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| ArthurArtoria | I want use context Menu with a GridView | 12:52 |
| SK_work | you should probably need to do your component yourself | 12:52 |
| SK_work | take inspiration on how VKB handle this | 12:52 |
| SK_work | don't do this as the N9 do it, it's horrible | 12:52 |
| ArthurArtoria | @SK_work | 12:54 |
| ArthurArtoria | http://dadablog.net/resize.php?src=http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/309530_10150332845585678_628300677_8400735_348307735_n.jpg&width=300 | 12:54 |
| ArthurArtoria | This is the thing I want to make | 12:54 |
| ArthurArtoria | Why I failed is that | 12:54 |
| ArthurArtoria | the keyboard Layout of Jolla is always on top | 12:55 |
| SK_work | ArthurArtoria: what are you trying to do exactly ? | 12:55 |
| SK_work | describe the flow | 12:55 |
| ArthurArtoria | I am making a keyboard | 12:55 |
| SK_work | yep | 12:55 |
| ArthurArtoria | for Chinese Input | 12:56 |
| SK_work | yep | 12:56 |
| ArthurArtoria | All works | 12:56 |
| ArthurArtoria | like this | 12:56 |
| SK_work | so you might need to use the autocomplete framework from keyboard instead of pushing your popup | 12:56 |
| SK_work | because there is no popup in sailfish | 12:56 |
| ArthurArtoria | https://openrepos.net/content/tmavica/traditional-chinese-quick-input-keyboard-xiang-gang-zhong-wen-fan-ti-su-cheng-shu-ru | 12:56 |
| ArthurArtoria | Here is my app | 12:56 |
| SK_work | yep | 12:56 |
| ArthurArtoria | you can see the image, right ? | 12:57 |
| SK_work | yep | 12:57 |
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| SK_work | however, there is no way to push a popup :( | 12:57 |
| SK_work | maybe you should try to push a page | 12:57 |
| ArthurArtoria | the top row of the keyboard is used to show candidate in a scrollable listview | 12:57 |
| SK_work | yep | 12:57 |
| ArthurArtoria | but if there are so many candidate words, it will suck and not efficiency | 12:58 |
| SK_work | understood | 12:58 |
| SK_work | indeed | 12:58 |
| SK_work | so the best (IMO) is to push a page then | 12:58 |
| SK_work | not sure if it works though | 12:58 |
| ArthurArtoria | so I need a gridview-like candidate pool | 12:58 |
| SK_work | or maybe you should hack the kbd to display a grid over the keyboard ? | 12:58 |
| ArthurArtoria | Yup ! that I have tried | 12:59 |
| ArthurArtoria | I tried to make a gridview covering the keyboard area just a while | 12:59 |
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| ArthurArtoria | But the keyboard is always on top even though I have set the z-axis of the gridview to 512, 768 a very large number | 13:00 |
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| ArthurArtoria | I show you the strange image | 13:01 |
| SK_work | we need to invoke pvuorela | 13:01 |
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| SK_work | ArthurArtoria have some questions to you pvuorela | 13:02 |
| SK_work | (about vkbd) | 13:02 |
| pvuorela | shoot. | 13:02 |
| SK_work | he wants do display a grid of characters to choose from | 13:02 |
| SK_work | much like http://dadablog.net/resize.php?src=http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/309530_10150332845585678_628300677_8400735_348307735_n.jpg&width=300 | 13:02 |
| SK_work | and we want to know what component would you advice to use | 13:02 |
| ArthurArtoria | https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzGP836FIwvaYmVfemxTVlQ3OEk/edit?usp=sharing | 13:03 |
| ArthurArtoria | the strange image is above | 13:04 |
| ArthurArtoria | They are overlap | 13:04 |
| SK_work | ArthurArtoria: don't use google accounts, I don't have a google account | 13:05 |
| SK_work | pvuorela: what do you think ? | 13:05 |
| ArthurArtoria | OK | 13:05 |
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| ArthurArtoria | I change the permission | 13:06 |
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| ArthurArtoria | try once more with this link | 13:06 |
| ArthurArtoria | https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzGP836FIwvaYmVfemxTVlQ3OEk/edit?usp=sharing | 13:06 |
| ArthurArtoria | https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzGP836FIwvaaUJJZ0tranNVRTA/edit?usp=sharing | 13:07 |
| SK_work | ArthurArtoria: tried with a background ? (just out of curiosity) | 13:07 |
| ArthurArtoria | Even thoguh I set the background black | 13:07 |
| ArthurArtoria | The second image | 13:07 |
| ArthurArtoria | I already set | 13:07 |
| SK_work | hum | 13:07 |
| ArthurArtoria | But it is still covered by the keyboard... | 13:08 |
| SK_work | sorry, not my domain anymore :/ | 13:08 |
| ArthurArtoria | ><... | 13:08 |
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| ArthurArtoria | NVM :P | 13:08 |
| DrIDK | Hello, I want to see all icon image://theme/icon-l-play ! Any web page ? | 13:09 |
| pvuorela | SK_work: ArthurArtoria, not much to advice at this point. have something coming on that direction, though. | 13:09 |
| ArthurArtoria | Yup ! | 13:09 |
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| pvuorela | but for a custom layout, it probably needs some custom code for the grid. and need to update active area to be fullscreen. | 13:12 |
| ArthurArtoria | 55.. | 13:17 |
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| ArthurArtoria | This must be very difficult LOL | 13:20 |
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| SK_work | ArthurArtoria: keyboard thing is a different beast compared to classic sailfish apsp | 13:28 |
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| DrIDK | Is it possible to make a simple color defined button ? | 13:35 |
| fzk | vgrade: i got it working now | 13:36 |
| fzk | or atleast found something odd | 13:37 |
| SK_work | DrIDK: what do you mean ? | 13:37 |
| fzk | i managed to get the ui when i fiddled with a usbcable | 13:37 |
| DrIDK | SK_work: like the icon switches | 13:37 |
| DrIDK | but as a button, not a switches | 13:37 |
| SK_work | ?? | 13:37 |
| SK_work | still not understanding | 13:37 |
| SK_work | ah, sorry, a switch, but as a button | 13:38 |
| SK_work | with 2 states ? | 13:38 |
| SK_work | DrIDK: you can set text to a switch (IIRC) | 13:38 |
| DrIDK | SK_work: I want Button with the design of SwitchButton | 13:38 |
| SK_work | DrIDK: why would you like that ? | 13:38 |
| fzk | it must be that wayland crashes | 13:38 |
| SK_work | DrIDK: https://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/qml-sailfishsilica-iconbutton.html ? | 13:39 |
| Shaan7 | DrIDK: o/ | 13:39 |
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| DrIDK | I didn't find documentation about GlassItem which is used in the sailfish Silica component gallery | 14:00 |
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| SK_work | DrIDK: it's an internal one, you need to guess the API ... | 14:11 |
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| SK_work | read code from Switch | 14:11 |
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| meek_geek | hi | 14:27 |
| SK_work | hi meek_geek | 14:29 |
| meek_geek | SK_work, can you tell me how i use sources of packages make it run on sailfish OS which is a full linux disto | 14:30 |
| SK_work | meek_geek: what packages are you thinking about ? | 14:30 |
| SK_work | (don't tell me libreoffice) | 14:30 |
| SK_work | (not now) | 14:30 |
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| meek_geek | SK_work, no like can I use RPM packages ? | 14:31 |
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| SK_work | meek_geek: you can, but it's VERY unlikely that packages compiled elsewhere will suddenly work on the Jolla | 14:31 |
| SK_work | because of 1. arch, 2. wayland, 3. missing libs 4. you name it | 14:31 |
| ballock | meek_geek: you can use the source rpms, though | 14:32 |
| SK_work | ballock: if they even compile | 14:32 |
| SK_work | a GTK app won't work | 14:32 |
| SK_work | even a Qt 4 app won't work (that rules out stuff like VLC or KDE) | 14:33 |
| meek_geek | so basically what all can i achieve in Sailfish OS which is a full gnu/linux ? | 14:33 |
| SK_work | meek_geek: compile from source | 14:33 |
| sharpneli | Pretty much everything except X11 based programs. | 14:33 |
| SK_work | you can do what you want, if you compile | 14:33 |
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| SK_work | assuming sharpneli just said: 1. no X11, and 2. can compile on ARM | 14:33 |
| ballock | well, technically, you could compile X, but... there's no X server for the device! | 14:34 |
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| SmarteX | Hi guys | 14:34 |
| meek_geek | SK_work, but sir what is left out for a common man to compile ? | 14:34 |
| SK_work | hi SmarteX | 14:34 |
| meek_geek | X11, GTK, QT would not work | 14:35 |
| meek_geek | then what would / | 14:35 |
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| sharpneli | QT works | 14:35 |
| cos- | wouldn't it be possible to run a X server on top of wayland? | 14:35 |
| sharpneli | the whole UI is based on QT | 14:35 |
| meek_geek | ballock, by using source rpms can I compile stuff like on any linux ? | 14:35 |
| cos- | QT=QuickTime | 14:35 |
| SK_work | meek_geek: many console apps, like wget, got compiled | 14:35 |
| ballock | meek_geek: all console-based stuff should | 14:35 |
| SK_work | sharpneli: Qt5 works, not Qt4 | 14:35 |
| ballock | what else would you need (pun) | 14:35 |
| sharpneli | True | 14:35 |
| SmarteX | Quicktime?? | 14:35 |
| SK_work | QT = quicktime, Qt = Qt | 14:35 |
| sharpneli | Pretty much all software that doesn't use X86 asm should work. It's a nice 32bit little endian system after all. | 14:35 |
| meek_geek | QT = Quicktime ? says who ? | 14:35 |
| SmarteX | Ah ok | 14:35 |
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| SmarteX | sharpneli said that | 14:36 |
| sharpneli | Well based on context I assumed that meek_geek meant Qt ;) | 14:36 |
| meek_geek | SK_work, ballock does tor work ? | 14:36 |
| ballock | meek_geek: pretty much | 14:36 |
| SK_work | meek_geek: iirc there are people porting it yes | 14:36 |
| SmarteX | Ah ok | 14:36 |
| ballock | sorry, that was for the previous question :0 | 14:36 |
| SK_work | basically meek_geek everything from GNU linux world could work, if you have people porting it (and writing alternative UI if needed) | 14:37 |
| sharpneli | The biggest issue is using wayland and/or Wt5. Nothing else. Heck someone might go insane and do X11 implementation for the phone :D | 14:37 |
| sharpneli | But that would be so wrong! | 14:37 |
| SmarteX | meek_geek: Tor can be downloaded via OpenRepos | 14:37 |
| SK_work | SmarteX: think xwayland ? | 14:37 |
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| SK_work | sharpneli: think Xwayland ? | 14:37 |
| meek_geek | I think in the meanwhile al I can run is console based apps and it is not a full rpm based distro / | 14:37 |
| sharpneli | SK_work: Don't do it. Please. Don't :D | 14:37 |
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| sharpneli | meek_geek: It is full rpm based distro | 14:37 |
| meek_geek | SmarteX, where can i see the packages list for sailfish OS | 14:37 |
| SK_work | meek_geek: it's an RPM based distro, but it is not in the common sense | 14:37 |
| SK_work | like Fedora | 14:37 |
| sharpneli | meek_geek: You just cannot naturally install X86 binaries for arm device | 14:38 |
| SK_work | it ships mobile oriented packages | 14:38 |
| SK_work | and limited libs | 14:38 |
| meek_geek | SK_work, but why is not fedora for ARM7 then ? | 14:38 |
| meek_geek | it should be | 14:38 |
| SmarteX | OpenRepos.net | 14:38 |
| SK_work | sharpneli: joke :) | 14:38 |
| SK_work | meek_geek: because (eg) of wayland | 14:38 |
| SK_work | it's based on Mer | 14:38 |
| SK_work | that is a fully featured mobile oriented distro | 14:38 |
| sharpneli | And no-one really wants to run a full fledged desktop distro in a small touchscreen device | 14:38 |
| sharpneli | It's all about the UI. The lower levels are the same. | 14:39 |
| ballock | meek_geek: think so: Sailfish is the brand-new-shiny stuff of the developer desk | 14:39 |
| SK_work | sharpneli: close to the same | 14:39 |
| ballock | it no longer has X11, as it's outdated | 14:39 |
| ballock | and legacy | 14:39 |
| SK_work | sharpneli: libs are missing (GTK etc.) | 14:39 |
| SK_work | but close | 14:39 |
| sharpneli | GTK depends on X11 so yeah | 14:39 |
| SK_work | ballock: too bad, gimme my SSH+X11 back plizz | 14:39 |
| SK_work | (joking) | 14:39 |
| ballock | it no longer has sysvinit, and was first to switch to systemd | 14:39 |
| SK_work | sharpneli: GTK3 allows Wayland | 14:39 |
| meek_geek | omg Tor on openrepo is a .deb file ? | 14:40 |
| ballock | its filesystem is btrfs | 14:40 |
| SK_work | but I would never develop in GTK | 14:40 |
| sharpneli | Yeah but on the other hand useful software is GTK2 and GTK3 is spawn of #?/("&/? | 14:40 |
| SK_work | meek_geek: you found the Harmattan version of Tor | 14:40 |
| SK_work | try again | 14:40 |
| ballock | meek_geek: so although you might be missing some functionality of the legacy applications | 14:41 |
| ballock | if you're developing new cool stuff, that' your platform of choice | 14:41 |
| meek_geek | I think Sailfish OS is confusing | 14:41 |
| ballock | Debian+Ubuntu recently switched to systemd too | 14:41 |
| SK_work | meek_geek: why ? | 14:42 |
| meek_geek | its not even supporting arm7 binaries of a particular distro | 14:42 |
| meek_geek | like deb or fedora | 14:42 |
| ballock | opensuse is thinking to move to btrfs | 14:42 |
| SK_work | because it's not meant to be like this | 14:42 |
| SK_work | it is a mobile OS | 14:42 |
| meek_geek | debian arm7 is available | 14:42 |
| ballock | meek_geek: you can't just use binary packages from one Linux distribution on another | 14:42 |
| SK_work | meek_geek: BTW, SFOS supports ARMv7 of a particular distro, this distro is called Mer | 14:42 |
| meek_geek | I know sir | 14:42 |
| ballock | like you can't use Debian package repositories on Ubuntu or vice-versa | 14:43 |
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| meek_geek | but fedora rpm arm7 support is needed | 14:43 |
| Eztran | Why Fedora, OOI? | 14:43 |
| SmarteX | ballock: You actually can | 14:43 |
| SK_work | SmarteX: and you can break your system too. Can != recommended | 14:44 |
| SmarteX | (Ubuntu is based on Debian, AFAIK) | 14:44 |
| Eztran | 'you can, but don't' is pretty much how it usually goes. | 14:44 |
| ballock | SmarteX: nope; it sometimes works, but that's the end of the story | 14:44 |
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| ballock | you're *way* safier with recompiling the source package | 14:44 |
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| SmarteX | ballocktrue | 14:45 |
| ballock | I've been doing that for years :) | 14:45 |
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| SmarteX | ballock: true | 14:45 |
| ballock | (oh, now it turned out I'm old) | 14:45 |
| SK_work | ballock: lol | 14:46 |
| ballock | anyway, there are people recompiling source RPMs on Mer/Sailfish | 14:46 |
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| Eztran | Very much so :) | 14:46 |
| SK_work | ballock: I wonder when GTK will land | 14:46 |
| ballock | meek_geek: if you need a particular one, (non-graphical), you're safe trying | 14:46 |
| Eztran | They really don't want GTK to land. | 14:46 |
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| SK_work | :D | 14:47 |
| meek_geek | I wonder what would happen when ubuntu would launch a full version of gnu/linux that would support almost everything | 14:47 |
| coderus | why you need gtk?.. | 14:47 |
| SK_work | or EFLs | 14:47 |
| SK_work | meek_geek: it's happening, called ubuntu touch | 14:47 |
| Eztran | meek_geek: when they finally get XMir in place... | 14:47 |
| meek_geek | ya | 14:47 |
| SK_work | coderus: because of fun, because I would love to have classic linux apps running | 14:47 |
| ballock | meek_geek: and that's a similar effort to Xwaylanf | 14:47 |
| SK_work | even though, I would prefer having KDE running | 14:48 |
| Eztran | but let's be honest, it's gonna scale really badly to small screens (N900 really wanted a stylus for this reason). | 14:48 |
| coderus | SK_work: well, classic apps require X more than GTK/QWidgets | 14:48 |
| ballock | out of interest, for the devs - do I need to use Silica Qt5 libs to make a graphical app for SF? | 14:49 |
| SK_work | coderus: GTK3 is "platform agnostic" | 14:49 |
| SK_work | as well as Qt 5 | 14:49 |
| Eztran | ballock: Nope, though it's recommended. | 14:49 |
| SK_work | and newer EFLs | 14:49 |
| SK_work | so I wonder | 14:49 |
| ballock | or if somethings written for 'Qt5' general, it 'should' work? | 14:49 |
| coderus | SK_work: i'm talking about other side | 14:49 |
| SK_work | ballock: yep, buyt you loose features | 14:49 |
| SK_work | (orientation, covers etc.) | 14:50 |
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| coderus | SK_work: no matter which graphic interface it using | 14:50 |
| coderus | most of apps strict to X with more or less features | 14:50 |
| SK_work | coderus: true | 14:50 |
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| ballock | meek_geek: so, what's the project you're attempting? | 14:50 |
| SK_work | IIRC KDE people are trying to rely less on X (or actually not relying at all) | 14:51 |
| Eztran | More major Linux apps should use Wayland with time. Still, XWayland would help in that. | 14:51 |
| m4g0g | why there is no kqoauth in sailfish? | 14:51 |
| m4g0g | Using liboauth is awful | 14:51 |
| m4g0g | and painful | 14:51 |
| SK_work | m4g0g: submit it to nemomobile ? | 14:51 |
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| meek_geek | look im not a programmer ballock but I m trying to support a full gnu/linux distro on mobile but I think tizen or ubuntu touch might kill it | 14:52 |
| meek_geek | also open version of Android and various mods are already popular | 14:52 |
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| SK_work | meek_geek: kill what ? a full gnu linux distro ? | 14:53 |
| SK_work | IIRC they are quite "full linux" | 14:53 |
| SK_work | ubuntuch yep | 14:53 |
| SK_work | but maybe not tizen | 14:53 |
| meek_geek | kill the competition | 14:53 |
| SK_work | that is very close to SFOS | 14:53 |
| SK_work | ah | 14:53 |
| SK_work | well, let's see | 14:53 |
| meek_geek | Tizen = Samsung = People would not trust | 14:53 |
| SK_work | competition is good | 14:53 |
| SK_work | Tizen = Samsung = strong brand = people will buy | 14:53 |
| meek_geek | Tizen = Samsung = strong band = people will cry but still buy | 14:54 |
| Eztran | Samsung devices sell like hotcakes. Shame they're not doing anything interesting with Tizen. | 14:54 |
| SK_work | Eztran: smartwaches | 14:54 |
| SK_work | lol | 14:54 |
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| ballock | the last showoff looked like they tried to make it look like their Android devices | 14:54 |
| Eztran | The above statement stands ;) | 14:55 |
| SK_work | :D | 14:55 |
| SK_work | so, when will the Tizen smartphone launch ? | 14:55 |
| SK_work | at least the ubuntouch one will launch soon (tm) | 14:55 |
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| meek_geek | ubuntu touch would kill it | 14:55 |
| ballock | SK_work: I don't think soon is their trademark :p | 14:55 |
| meek_geek | it would outsell Open Android | 14:56 |
| SK_work | ballock: it is :D | 14:56 |
| Eztran | Tizen's been thrown back and forth for ages, never looks like they're gonna release something (keeping it back?) | 14:56 |
| meek_geek | Oneplus One phone is a killer too | 14:56 |
| SK_work | meek_geek: only time will tell | 14:56 |
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| m4g0g | I have never think that creating goodreads application will have so many pain and problems (( | 14:56 |
| SK_work | Eztran: rumours says that a phone will come at some point (this year) | 14:56 |
| SK_work | m4g0g: ever tried plain QNAM without helper libs for OAuth ? | 14:56 |
| SK_work | I use this for FB | 14:56 |
| SK_work | (and twitter actually) | 14:57 |
| SK_work | not that hard | 14:57 |
| meek_geek | SK_work, I love Sailfish OS but seems like our community based OS it would not survive the capitalist market | 14:57 |
| SK_work | meek_geek: it is a capitalist OS | 14:57 |
| SK_work | SFOS is not even (fully) OSS | 14:57 |
| SK_work | and it is solded in the Jolla | 14:57 |
| SK_work | that's capitalist | 14:57 |
| meek_geek | SK_work, but your providing it for other phones | 14:57 |
| Eztran | Maemo/Harmattan sold well despite having awful support. Even just 'the same, but with finances' could do OK. | 14:58 |
| meek_geek | and soon it would be licensed or bought by some1 | 14:58 |
| m4g0g | SK_work: can you add possibility to scale images in friends? | 14:58 |
| SK_work | m4g0g: what do you mean by that ? | 14:58 |
| SK_work | meek_geek: not yyet | 14:58 |
| ballock | meek_geek: I am tracking Ubuntu Phone progress too, but... let's say they're a little bit behind - Sailfish is on the market since last year | 14:58 |
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| m4g0g | SK_work: when I see image from friends post it is very little and I want to scale it to big size as in gallery | 14:58 |
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| meek_geek | ballock, but Sailfish OS needs to push Jolla in Asian markets where all the population is | 14:59 |
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| meek_geek | SK_work, I think at least a few phones would get Sailfish before JOlla itself is sold worldwide | 14:59 |
| ballock | I believe that was the plan | 14:59 |
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| Eztran | Pretty sure they're trying to hit Asia (particularly China) primarily by getting an Android hardware partner there. Which requires getting somewhere with the libhybris adaptations. | 15:00 |
| meek_geek | cost of JOlla Phone is the main issue | 15:00 |
| meek_geek | its damn costly phone | 15:00 |
| meek_geek | Oneplus One = Dream of everything person | 15:00 |
| SK_work | m4g0g: tried clicking on it | 15:00 |
| m4g0g | yes | 15:00 |
| SK_work | BTW, it is because of FB API | 15:00 |
| SK_work | :P | 15:00 |
| meek_geek | every* | 15:00 |
| SK_work | meek_geek: then buy one :) | 15:00 |
| Eztran | Exactly. The current price is a huge put-off in Asia. If they partner with a cheap manufacturer, though... | 15:01 |
| m4g0g | I click. It still little with possibility to like it. But when I try to scale it with two fingers - nothing good heppends | 15:01 |
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| meek_geek | SK_work, no i would not android until i can | 15:01 |
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| meek_geek | I am holding .. I need a phone | 15:01 |
| meek_geek | but jus need to see sailfish's next step | 15:01 |
| SK_work | meek_geek: then ping Stskeeps, or sledges and ask them how to contribute to SFOS on Android | 15:01 |
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| meek_geek | SFOS on android = Bad idea | 15:02 |
| SK_work | why ? | 15:02 |
| meek_geek | SFOS on Android Phones totally by flashing it = Cooool | 15:02 |
| SK_work | (BTW, this discussion might be better on #JollaMobile) | 15:02 |
| Eztran | meek_geek: that's what they meant. | 15:02 |
| SK_work | meek_geek: isn't it what's going on ? | 15:02 |
| meek_geek | Eztran, :] | 15:02 |
| SmarteX | meek_geek I love my mako with sailfish | 15:02 |
| meek_geek | Ta | 15:03 |
| meek_geek | Ya | 15:03 |
| SK_work | SmarteX: does it works ? | 15:03 |
| sledges | meek_geek, you misunderstand "sfos android launcher" | 15:03 |
| SK_work | like calls sms etc ? | 15:03 |
| meek_geek | I think guys I would buy a phone where i can install the OS of my choice | 15:03 |
| sledges | SK_work: yes | 15:03 |
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| Eztran | Get something with an unlocked bootloader and potential for community support. | 15:03 |
| SK_work | meek_geek: maybe the one plus you know, it's based on cyanogen, so basically you can run sfos, or ubuntouch | 15:03 |
| Eztran | But the mobile market is crippled in this respect right now. | 15:03 |
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| meek_geek | Oneplus is not available in my country | 15:04 |
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| meek_geek | nor is Jolla | 15:04 |
| meek_geek | But I have one is Mind | 15:04 |
| ballock | well, I guess Nexus'es are like that - you have SFOS for that, but Ubuntu images too | 15:04 |
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| SK_work | meek_geek: get a Nexus 4 | 15:04 |
| meek_geek | SK_work, costly in my country | 15:04 |
| SK_work | can be a good idea | 15:04 |
| SK_work | aah :( | 15:04 |
| Eztran | If it weren't for libhybris, there wouldn't even be this choice really. | 15:04 |
| SK_work | meek_geek: where do you come actually ? | 15:04 |
| meek_geek | 440 Dollars for Nexus 4 | 15:05 |
| SK_work | :/ | 15:05 |
| SK_work | WTF | 15:05 |
| ballock | Eztran: let's praise its author :D | 15:05 |
| meek_geek | 490 for Nexus 5 16 gb | 15:05 |
| Eztran | ballock: I would, but I don't wanna disturb him :) | 15:06 |
| Turski | US dollars? | 15:06 |
| meek_geek | USD | 15:06 |
| meek_geek | ta | 15:06 |
| meek_geek | ya | 15:06 |
| SK_work | :/ | 15:06 |
| ballock | that's why I didn't speak his nick aloud :p | 15:06 |
| meek_geek | But I think i would buy Lenovo K900 | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | i thought canonical invented libhybris | 15:06 |
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| Eztran | Bahaha :) | 15:06 |
| ballock | darn, he heard that | 15:06 |
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| SK_work | Stskeeps: very funny ... | 15:07 |
| meek_geek | SK_work, I am freenonymous I am from the Internet | 15:07 |
| Eztran | but really, it's about the only way any adaptations like this work, and a nice way out of the Android hole. | 15:07 |
| SK_work | meek_geek: :P | 15:08 |
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| SK_work | ballock: btw, know that Stskeeps is everywhere, and watching all of us | 15:08 |
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| SK_work | big brother style | 15:08 |
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| ballock | yeah, I sometimes wonder if he has life outside IRC | 15:09 |
| SK_work | ballock: you would be surprised | 15:09 |
| meek_geek | What is freenonymous ? its an anonymous guy who supports and promotes Free Software, free as in freedom and sees that the rights of the user of prop. software is not taken away in a manner that might cause irreparable harm to the user of it. | 15:10 |
| SK_work | meek_geek: SFOS is partially closed and non-free :) | 15:10 |
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| SK_work | even if people at Jolla are very open | 15:10 |
| ballock | hey, don't put the hero down | 15:10 |
| meek_geek | SK_work, I know | 15:10 |
| meek_geek | Nothing is fully free | 15:10 |
| SK_work | ballock: just a friendly reminder | 15:11 |
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| ballock | meek_geek: I would disagree with this statement | 15:11 |
| Eztran | If you're gonna use FOSS-only, though, you'd have to go after the drivers, and that's a right minefield. It's not happening. | 15:11 |
| meek_geek | ballock, Do you know what Fully Free is ? | 15:11 |
| Eztran | mobile drivers = aargh how did this happen | 15:12 |
| SK_work | Eztran: drivers :/ | 15:12 |
| ballock | although I heard that you can only get hit in the face for free | 15:12 |
| meek_geek | Mobile drivers and specially Prop. Radio software that is the baseband is the culprit | 15:12 |
| ballock | that goes too much in the direction of phylosophy classes I had during studies | 15:12 |
| ballock | that was *not* my favourite class | 15:13 |
| meek_geek | lol | 15:13 |
| meek_geek | ok | 15:13 |
| Eztran | To me, it's considerably scarier that that's locked down than the UI. Others may think otherwise. | 15:13 |
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| meek_geek | I think we must support openness and wish that we have openbaseband soon | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | Eztran: you are probably right to be scared (personal opinion) | 15:14 |
| ballock | We used to have cable modems that interfaced through serial port | 15:14 |
| ballock | you had no control over its 'firmware' either | 15:14 |
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| meek_geek | I think NSA is spying on Sailfish OS users fully | 15:15 |
| meek_geek | as its not encrypted by default | 15:15 |
| SK_work | meek_geek: lol | 15:15 |
| SK_work | nsa is spying via the code hidden in qualcomm baseband | 15:15 |
| SmarteX | meek_geek: Google's spying on us Android users - and we have encryption | 15:15 |
| SK_work | they don't care about encryption | 15:16 |
| meek_geek | never use Stock Android .. use Custom MODs | 15:16 |
| Eztran | It's not like they're any more secure. | 15:16 |
| meek_geek | without google apps please | 15:16 |
| meek_geek | Eztran, they are | 15:16 |
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| Eztran | The 'without GApps' bit is likely to help more. | 15:17 |
| SK_work | meek_geek: we had a nice chat today with Jolla people about security | 15:17 |
| SK_work | non-encrypted password shouldn't happen soon | 15:17 |
| Eztran | Well, surely people know the standard problem with that? | 15:17 |
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| meek_geek | Do not use Google Apps n that forget about Google Play Store please .. NO google prop. apps on Android if you want privacy | 15:18 |
| meek_geek | SK_work, ok | 15:18 |
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| meek_geek | We need more research in the field | 15:18 |
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| Eztran | SK_work: Oh yeah, meeting was today. Was wondering what you meant, then. | 15:20 |
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| SmarteX | Currently there's no way to use MultiROM? | 15:52 |
| netzvieh | SmarteX: nope, you are free to find one though | 15:53 |
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| DrIDK | hello, is there a git repo for jolla apps ? | 16:10 |
| SK_work | DrIDK: which app are you searching for ? | 16:12 |
| SK_work | no, but many devs use github | 16:12 |
| DrIDK | SK_work: I finish my apps.. Want to share | 16:12 |
| DrIDK | what the community use ? github ? | 16:12 |
| SK_work | DrIDK: github | 16:13 |
| SK_work | just create your own github i guess | 16:13 |
| SK_work | or bitbucjet | 16:13 |
| SK_work | where you want | 16:13 |
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| DrIDK | and how to publish on warehouse ? | 16:14 |
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| SK_work | DrIDK: create an account on openrepos.net | 16:21 |
| SK_work | easy | 16:21 |
| SK_work | you have web ui everywhere thanks to basils | 16:21 |
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| m4g0g | hi | 17:22 |
| m4g0g | how to make default mail client to update all folders? | 17:23 |
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| sledges | m4g0g: vote for https://together.jolla.com/question/6758/possibility-to-choose-which-imap-folders-to-show-in-the-mail-app/ | 17:42 |
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| Juuba | hey, openrepos (Warehouse) shows mitakuuluu and mitakuuluu2 | 19:27 |
| Juuba | which of them is the correct client for Jolla ? | 19:28 |
| Waitee | both | 19:28 |
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| Juuba | lol | 19:29 |
| Juuba | what's the diff? | 19:29 |
| raa70 | 2 | 19:29 |
| Waitee | mitäkuuluu2 is better | 19:29 |
| Juuba | can it load the "chat history" ? or is it even saved on whatsapp-servers ? | 19:29 |
| Juuba | i just loaded mitakuuluu2, and old chats are lost | 19:30 |
| Juuba | seem to be anyways | 19:30 |
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| Waitee | hmm | 19:40 |
| Waitee | was there some trick to disable mitäkuuluu from disconnecting randomly? | 19:40 |
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| ginraku | hi guys new here | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | hello hello | 19:51 |
| ginraku | can anyone tell me how to to remove the watermark from nexus4 | 19:51 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, i wonder when people figure out how easy it is .. :) | 19:51 |
| Stskeeps | it'll be gone in next update | 19:51 |
| ginraku | ahh no wonder it was so hard for me | 19:52 |
| Eztran | Are you working on the principle that if people really want it gone they'll figure it out? :) | 19:52 |
| fenix_fx | Stskeeps, hi, can you tell me changelog for next update? | 19:52 |
| ginraku | just to clarify can you tell me the latest build version for nexus 4 | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | fenix_fx: no, i don't even know it, but, we solved audio issues.. | 19:53 |
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| ginraku | yep that was a very much needed fix | 19:55 |
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| ginraku | i have been using it as a daily driver from last 2 days thanks to it | 19:56 |
| eppe | Great that the watermark is gone soon, i swear its making me seasick. So just find the right qml file and Comment out some lines? | 19:57 |
| ginraku | what is it gone how? | 19:59 |
| eppe | next update he said. | 20:00 |
| Eztran | Considering it's 'easy' to remove, yes, it's probably in QML. | 20:01 |
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| ginraku | but since we have been given a terminal | 20:04 |
| ginraku | and IF the watermark is a qml | 20:04 |
| ginraku | shouldn't it be easy to just delete the file | 20:04 |
| ginraku | sorry if i am wrong | 20:05 |
| Eztran | delete/edit, depending on how it's added, probably. | 20:05 |
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| Eztran | (note: I've never used the Nexus build, do not know how it's actually implemented) | 20:05 |
| ginraku | i don't suppose it would be that different | 20:08 |
| ginraku | i want to support the jolla community by buying the jolla phone | 20:08 |
| ginraku | but damn it's costly and plus the custom duties | 20:09 |
| ginraku | it would be even costlier than iphone 5s top model | 20:09 |
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| raa70 | how's that even possible? | 20:10 |
| fenix_fx | Stskeeps, ok thanks :) How soon it will release? :) | 20:10 |
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| ginraku | it costs me around 33000 inr + custom duties for importing it which would be 35% of the value | 20:12 |
| ginraku | and i5s costs 50000 inr here | 20:13 |
| Eztran | Ouch. | 20:13 |
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| Stskeeps | fenix_fx: when it's ready | 20:13 |
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