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| taixzo | I'm stuck with pyotherside. I've added my python file to the project, but it crashes and says "Python error - no module named saera" | 02:53 |
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| taixzo | how can I make it find it? | 02:57 |
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| taixzo | I tried adding the absolute path, but it still isn't working | 03:23 |
| taixzo | help? | 03:25 |
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| Umeaboy | taixzo: Do you see it with lsmod? | 03:38 |
| Umeaboy | I think you have to use modprobe to load it. | 03:39 |
| taixzo | Umeaboy: I don't know what I'd be looking for in lsmod | 03:40 |
| taixzo | wait | 03:40 |
| taixzo | pyotherside is unrelated to the Other Half | 03:40 |
| Umeaboy | Look for the module-name. | 03:41 |
| Umeaboy | This might help you: https://www.google.se/search?num=100&q=Python+error+-+no+module+named+saera+Sailfish&oq=Python+error+-+no+module+named+saera+Sailfish&gs_l=serp.3...3953.8095.0.8783.9.9.0.0.0.0.130.717.8j1.9.0....0...1c.1.39.serp..5.4.312.LPfcIQ2MESU | 03:44 |
| Umeaboy | taixzo: ^^ | 03:45 |
| taixzo | Umeaboy: but it's being imported from QML - and I already added the path, so it should be able to find it | 03:47 |
| Umeaboy | What Python-version are you using? | 03:53 |
| Umeaboy | taixzo: ^^ | 03:54 |
| Umeaboy | See if you get the same problem with another version. | 03:54 |
| taixzo | Umeaboy: python 3.3.2 | 03:54 |
| taixzo | and pyotherside isn't compatible with python 2, so I can't test with another version | 03:55 |
| Umeaboy | OK. | 03:55 |
| Umeaboy | Maybe there's something wrong with pyotherside then. | 03:55 |
| Umeaboy | Have you asked in #python ? | 03:56 |
| taixzo | no, because it's not so much a Python problem as a pyotherside problem | 03:58 |
| Umeaboy | So, you're saying it could be a module-problem then? I mean......if it's there, it should be seen. | 03:59 |
| taixzo | Umeaboy: it might be a problem with my setup. I have no idea what I'm doing, really - this is my first Sailfish app, and I can't find any good pyotherside tutorials. | 04:01 |
| Umeaboy | OK. | 04:02 |
| Umeaboy | Check the link that I posted from Google any way. You might find something to be helped by. | 04:02 |
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| taixzo | I figured it out! Turns out qt creator hates symlinks. | 05:58 |
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| Almindor | how do you reply to the store comments? | 07:44 |
| Almindor | or is there no specific-reply, just add another comment? | 07:44 |
| Nicd- | just add another one | 07:45 |
| Nicd- | there is no reply function | 07:45 |
| Almindor | hmm openrepos is better in this regard I think | 07:45 |
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| kimmoli | urf, just again fighted with CRLF for 30mins. rpmbuild hates .spec -file with crlf .. $'\r' command not found | 08:34 |
| ln- | *fought | 08:36 |
| kimmoli | whatever | 08:36 |
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| ln- | well, that's why i contributed this thing to artemma's helloworld pro: https://github.com/amarchen/helloworld-pro-sailfish/pull/9/files | 08:36 |
| ln- | relevant in case you are using git | 08:37 |
| kimmoli | ok, thanks. | 08:39 |
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| APTX | Hi guys | 09:02 |
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| APTX | I'm having trouble using my jolla with the sailfish sdk | 09:03 |
| APTX | it always says connection timed out | 09:03 |
| APTX | I can connect to the phone via ssh, but not via the sdk | 09:03 |
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| stephg | APTX, ssh over the USB or wireless? | 09:06 |
| APTX | wireless | 09:06 |
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| APTX | ... and now the vm broke again | 09:20 |
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| APTX | I don't know what can be done to make it start up again, only rebooting helps | 09:21 |
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| TheBootroo_home | ohai | 10:32 |
| squidd | hey | 10:33 |
| TheBootroo_home | Nicd-: Hartzi : hi ! If you want updated version (faster than old one) of Bible'me for this sunday office you can get it from my DropBox | 10:33 |
| * TheBootroo_home getting the public link | 10:33 | |
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| TheBootroo_home | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1237695/harbour-bibleme-0.2-6.armv7hl.rpm | 10:34 |
| TheBootroo_home | here it is | 10:34 |
| squidd | yay | 10:35 |
| TheBootroo_home | squidd: ? | 10:36 |
| TheBootroo_home | you use it too ? | 10:36 |
| Hartzi | TheBootroo_home: thx! I'll test it | 10:36 |
| TheBootroo_home | Hartzi: nice! | 10:37 |
| squidd | nope, but I like there is software beign made :) | 10:37 |
| TheBootroo_home | squidd: hehe ! i'm a coding machine | 10:37 |
| TheBootroo_home | i have at least yet 3 apps for sailfish coming soon | 10:38 |
| squidd | Good, sailfish needs more apps being made! | 10:38 |
| TheBootroo_home | yeah | 10:38 |
| TheBootroo_home | definitely need to get rid of android app on my phone ;-) | 10:38 |
| squidd | :) | 10:38 |
| TheBootroo_home | jolla ui is so cool that each app that doesn't respect it needs to be banned from my system | 10:38 |
| squidd | true | 10:39 |
| TheBootroo_home | i also give particular importance to the launcher icon, to match good with jolla ones | 10:39 |
| Hartzi | TheBootroo_home: works fine :) | 10:40 |
| TheBootroo_home | you know, almost flat but subtle gradient, symoblic drawing atop, no border, highlight etc | 10:40 |
| TheBootroo_home | Hartzi: cool ! | 10:40 |
| TheBootroo_home | i use it since yesterday ;-) | 10:40 |
| TheBootroo_home | much faster than previous version | 10:40 |
| TheBootroo_home | thanks to a fully rewritten algorithm in engine | 10:40 |
| TheBootroo_home | and multithreaded loading | 10:41 |
| Hartzi | TheBootroo_home: are you planning to make split screen mode for 2nd scripture? | 10:41 |
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| TheBootroo_home | oh and better in-memory storage, that use maybe 3x less RAM | 10:41 |
| TheBootroo_home | Hartzi: maybe but not soon | 10:41 |
| Hartzi | okay | 10:41 |
| TheBootroo_home | because current state of engine would need big modification to support 2 texts | 10:41 |
| TheBootroo_home | but definitely would be cool | 10:42 |
| TheBootroo_home | next feature : bookmarks | 10:42 |
| TheBootroo_home | (also called : highlighting) | 10:42 |
| Hartzi | I think you should make it asap :) very handy feature | 10:42 |
| TheBootroo_home | yeah | 10:43 |
| TheBootroo_home | maybe next week | 10:43 |
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| Hartzi | cool :) | 10:44 |
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| TheBootroo_home | yep | 10:44 |
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| chem|st | how do you enable dev-mode without wlan or mdata? | 11:09 |
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| SfietKonstantin | chem|st: eh | 11:22 |
| SfietKonstantin | you can't ? | 11:22 |
| SfietKonstantin | it downloads packages so you basically cannot have dev mode without internet | 11:23 |
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| chem|st | Sfiet_Konstantin: is there a way to get usbnetworking? | 11:26 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | chem|st: IIRC yes, but you need dev mode :/ | 11:27 |
| chem|st | Sfiet_Konstantin: iirc yes? iirc this means no... | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | or hack in recovery mode | 11:28 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: ah, never thought about this | 11:28 |
| chem|st | https://together.jolla.com/question/37786/enabling-developer-mode-offline/ | 11:29 |
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| chem|st | actually dev mode should be available without the need to have internet | 11:29 |
| chem|st | deactivating dev mode does not uninstall anything so why not have it in that state by default? | 11:31 |
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| squidd | they need internet so nsa can be informed that someone might be hacking with the device | 11:34 |
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| brujoand | hey guys, is there a progress/info/status page somewhere showing which phones are being worked on to be able to run SailfishOS? | 13:47 |
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| Nicd- | brujoand: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris | 13:52 |
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| coderus | what is preferred way to format microsd for jolla? | 14:07 |
| Turski | personally i would format it ext4 possibly without journal if there's no need to use it with other devices | 14:09 |
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| Turski | if that's what you meant... | 14:10 |
| coderus | what is "without journal" means? | 14:10 |
| Turski | coderus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journaling_file_system | 14:11 |
| Nicd- | ext4 is a journaling filesystem, apparently the journal can be disabled | 14:11 |
| Turski | journaling causes some wearing on sd card | 14:12 |
| Turski | and usually it's not really needed for sd | 14:13 |
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| coderus | hm | 14:13 |
| coderus | how to disable journal? | 14:13 |
| Turski | mkfs.ext4 -O ^has_journal | 14:15 |
| SpeedEvil | journalling is likely to reduce IO | 14:15 |
| Turski | SpeedEvil: how? | 14:16 |
| coderus | http://fenidik.blogspot.ru/2010/03/ext4-disable-journal.html | 14:16 |
| coderus | http://blogofterje.wordpress.com/2012/01/14/optimizing-fs-on-sd-card/ | 14:22 |
| coderus | interesting too | 14:22 |
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| brujoand | Nicd-: thanks! | 14:28 |
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| peppelakappa | guys, a quick question | 15:41 |
| peppelakappa | inside the Timer's member onTriggered, i can do whatever i want? | 15:41 |
| peppelakappa | let's say, declare a string variable and assigning a value dynamically? | 15:41 |
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| Nicd- | peppelakappa: yes | 15:47 |
| peppelakappa | Nicd-: declare a myVar.text = class.function() is ok? | 15:48 |
| Nicd- | yes | 15:50 |
| peppelakappa | probably I'm doing something wrong but this method doesn't seem to work, here's what i'm trying to do http://pastebin.com/YH55TEQj | 15:59 |
| peppelakappa | this inside a CoverPage.qml | 15:59 |
| Nicd- | so what's class.function()? | 15:59 |
| peppelakappa | a c++ QString function | 16:02 |
| Nicd- | can you show the exact code you have? | 16:02 |
| peppelakappa | sure, i've done a pull request to HungerMeter but then i've understood that the feature i've added (percentage on the cover) doesn't get updated https://github.com/peppelakappa/HungerMeter | 16:04 |
| Nicd- | in what circumstances does it not get updated? | 16:05 |
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| peppelakappa | when onTriggered is executed | 16:07 |
| peppelakappa | because as you can see, for the percentage i've simply called the hunger.bat_cur_pr() function outside the timer | 16:08 |
| peppelakappa | so when the cover is showed, the value is placed there and not updated until the cover is redrawn | 16:08 |
| Nicd- | have you verified onTriggered actually gets called? | 16:09 |
| peppelakappa | all the other labels are dynamically updated so i assure that onTriggered is called | 16:10 |
| Nicd- | what is the line you're having problems with exactly? | 16:10 |
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| peppelakappa | a moment, this code isn't updated, i'm uploading it on pastebin right now | 16:11 |
| peppelakappa | here is it http://pastebin.com/PDtxYhdX | 16:12 |
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| Nicd- | if you have a github account, I suggest using gist.github.com instead of pastebin, btw :) | 16:13 |
| Nicd- | so, try debugging this by putting console.log calls before line 37, inside hunger.bat_cur_pr() and after line 37 to see what happens | 16:13 |
| peppelakappa | Nicd-: pastebin is an old habit, i'll try to use gist more :) just a moment | 16:14 |
| Nicd- | my problem with pastebin is the ads, they're sometimes nsfw | 16:15 |
| Nicd- | and I don't have adblock on all my browsers | 16:15 |
| peppelakappa | ok this is strange | 16:16 |
| kengu | http://paste.pm | 16:16 |
| peppelakappa | no sign of these two console.log but the other two labels are updating | 16:16 |
| peppelakappa | kengu: neat! | 16:17 |
| kengu | pretty, yeah. | 16:18 |
| Nicd- | peppelakappa: now you just need to do some binary search with console.log calls to see where it stops execution :) | 16:19 |
| Nicd- | I don't see anything wrong with your code snippet syntax wise | 16:19 |
| Nicd- | except not using semicolons but that's just me :P | 16:19 |
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| peppelakappa | i've defined a little function test() just above the timer, where i call console.log | 16:21 |
| peppelakappa | Nicd-: this is much more strange | 16:21 |
| peppelakappa | if i call this test function inside onTriggered, console.log is actually executed | 16:22 |
| peppelakappa | then i have to set the battery percentage label id to coverPercentage to actually see any text in the cover | 16:25 |
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| Nicd- | of course you have to | 16:27 |
| Nicd- | line 89, text: coverPercentage doesn't make sense | 16:27 |
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| peppelakappa | Nicd-: sorry for any nonsensical code, I'm still learning :D | 16:29 |
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| peppelakappa | Got it working Nicd-, a js function did the trick | 16:45 |
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| programguy | Is enough source code available to port SailfishOS to say, a Motorola Droid 4? | 16:48 |
| Nicd- | peppelakappa: can you show how you made it work? | 16:52 |
| Nicd- | just out of interest | 16:52 |
| peppelakappa | sure, here is it | 16:53 |
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| peppelakappa | Nicd-: https://gist.github.com/peppelakappa/9994563 | 16:55 |
| peppelakappa | now i'm waiting my jolla to discharge ;P | 16:55 |
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| Nicd- | peppelakappa: you don't need to do onCoverBool.valueOf() == true | 16:59 |
| Nicd- | you can just do if (onCoverBool) { ... | 16:59 |
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| peppelakappa | actually the first thing i tried was if(!onCoverBool), no luck | 17:01 |
| Nicd- | that would execute if onCoverBool was false | 17:01 |
| peppelakappa | wth, i'm stupid | 17:02 |
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| peppelakappa | didn't noticed that my first condition is assuming coverPercentageOrNot as the battery percentage, so onCoverBool must be true | 17:03 |
| peppelakappa | too much work today lol | 17:03 |
| Nicd- | :) | 17:04 |
| Froberg | Sage- In continuation of our conversation from yesterday, the problem persists after having removed the simlock code. I had my first reboot around six hours ago, and two more in short progression during a phone call with my girlfriend just now. So I'm back at 10 minutes with battery removed. Just figured you'd want the feedback :) | 17:05 |
| peppelakappa | talking about battery percentage, why the native one is so inaccurate? | 17:06 |
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| TheBootroo_home | ohai | 17:12 |
| TheBootroo_home | jake9xx_: ping ! | 17:12 |
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| TheBootroo_home | jake9xx_: i'm at nex having exhausted memore compilation issue on MerSDK | 17:24 |
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| TheBootroo_home | heavily used forward include, but still same issue | 17:24 |
| TheBootroo_home | seems to come from the new Qt5 syntax | 17:24 |
| TheBootroo_home | since that's the only thing i added today | 17:24 |
| TheBootroo_home | and if i comment them, it compiles | 17:25 |
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| Sage- | Froberg: thanks for the feedback. | 17:52 |
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| Nicd- | damn, if a QSslSocket fails peer verification, it emits a signal and I have to call ignoreSslErrors() within a slot in the same thread | 18:44 |
| Nicd- | but I want to pop up a dialog asking the user if they want to ignore the errors, that would require a different thread (UI thread) and queued connections | 18:44 |
| Nicd- | or can you think of some way to do this? | 18:44 |
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| Acce | afaik signals can be connected passing the thread boundaries | 18:54 |
| Acce | ie you can connect signal sent by QSslSocket to a slot in the gui thread | 18:55 |
| Nicd- | yeah, but they will be queued signals | 18:55 |
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| Nicd- | that doesn't work with QSslSocket's sslErrors() signal, it was mentioned in the docs | 18:56 |
| Acce | hmm.. I'm not famialiar with qsslsocket, but i'd guess you have to subclass it and implement queue functionality | 18:57 |
| Nicd- | I have no idea how that would be accomplished save rewriting the entire implementation | 18:58 |
| Acce | if you have different instances of qsslsockets, they all have their respective signals, no? | 18:59 |
| Nicd- | yes | 18:59 |
| Acce | so implement some queue which instantiates new socket for every connection and connects it's respective signals to a gui slot | 18:59 |
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| Acce | and pass which connection it is as a signal param | 19:00 |
| Nicd- | err | 19:00 |
| Nicd- | I only want one connection | 19:00 |
| Nicd- | I'm not sure what you're getting at | 19:00 |
| Acce | sorry, I'm probably misunderstanding what you mean by queued connections | 19:00 |
| Nicd- | the only thing I can think of now is to connect, get the error, let the socket die, store the error information in case the user chooses to accept and then reconnect | 19:01 |
| Nicd- | Acce: Qt::QueuedConnection | 19:01 |
| Nicd- | when you send a signal across thread boundaries, it's not delivered immediately | 19:02 |
| Nicd- | it's just passed to the other thread's event loop and then delivered when the event loop resumes | 19:02 |
| Acce | ah, I mixed network and signal-slot connections | 19:02 |
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| coderus | thp: ping | 19:16 |
| coderus | well | 19:16 |
| coderus | what is the right way to use QStandardPaths? | 19:16 |
| coderus | If i set appname and orgname i like it work bad for Harbour | 19:17 |
| Acce | Nicd-: well, did you try with a direct connection? | 19:17 |
| coderus | and if i unset these values an use sailfishapp defaults if wirk bad for QSettings? | 19:17 |
| Acce | according to QThread docs it's possible to do that, but then you need to deal with the usual multithread issues by yourself | 19:18 |
| Acce | hmm well might not be a good idea after all.. the reconnection scheme might be better | 19:20 |
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| Nicd- | Acce: yeah, I'm not going to do it with non-threadsafe methods | 19:26 |
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| thp | coderus: if you use libsailfishapp, you shouldn't need to set appname or orgname. if you are not using libsailfishapp, you can set it to $APPNAME. there's no requirement at all what to set the app name / org name, other than the XDG rules + $APPNAME subdirectory for files that are saved (so e.g. if you "compute" the paths manually, you don't have to care about appname/orgname setting) | 19:31 |
| thp | coderus: the idea is that if you are unaware of appname/orgname/xdg, using libsailfishapp and QSettings / QML Local Storage / QStandardPaths will do The Right Thing | 19:32 |
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| thp | coderus: harbour basically only requires https://harbour.jolla.com/faq#2.13.0 ("Where should I store application configuration, application data and cache files?"), which means XDG + $APPNAME to store app-specific data/config/cache files | 19:33 |
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| Nicd- | hmh, getting really odd compilation errors, undefined reference to `RelayConnection::socketDisconnected()' even though it's clearly defined and qt creator finds it just fine | 19:42 |
| Nicd- | also other signals in the same code block (it's a bunch of connect statements) work fine even though they are from the same class | 19:43 |
| M4rtinK | thp: just to make sure, $APPNAME = "harbour-<actual app name>" | 19:45 |
| M4rtinK | could get confusing sometimes | 19:45 |
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| Nicd- | ignore me, I was stupid | 19:50 |
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| MSameer | faenil: thank you for such kind words :p | 20:09 |
| faenil | MSameer, ? :) | 20:09 |
| MSameer | faenil: your email to sailfishos-devel | 20:09 |
| faenil | yeah, got that, but what's up :) | 20:09 |
| MSameer | From what I can tell Carsten is the only one (with Jolla hat) who | 20:09 |
| MSameer | really cares about improving the situation...it seems the rest of the | 20:09 |
| MSameer | company doesn't really do much except "talking" about "doing it | 20:09 |
| MSameer | together" and similar slogans. | 20:09 |
| faenil | have you read what's next? :) | 20:11 |
| tbr | MSameer: the latter part pretty much accurately describes how I perceive the situation too. | 20:11 |
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| M4rtinK | +1 | 20:12 |
| faenil | MSameer, if you read my whole msg you already got what I meant ;) | 20:12 |
| MSameer | maybe I am not doing enough community effort then | 20:12 |
| MSameer | faenil: I read it but I don't believe Stskeeps is _the only one_ | 20:13 |
| MSameer | otherwise you would be ignoring efforts from people like w00t :p | 20:13 |
| MSameer | for an example | 20:13 |
| faenil | MSameer, no way, it's for different aspects | 20:13 |
| faenil | in that message I'm talking about the community situation | 20:14 |
| MSameer | then I obviously missed it | 20:14 |
| faenil | I've never seen anyone but carsten being discussions like he's done (again) this time | 20:14 |
| faenil | beginning* | 20:14 |
| MSameer | but we have others who simply do | 20:15 |
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| faenil | I think I can sum up my message in: most of the sailors help people, but are not proactive about it | 20:16 |
| faenil | if somebody joins and asks for help, you help if you can, I'm sure of that | 20:16 |
| MSameer | that I agree with :p | 20:17 |
| faenil | but carsten is the only one (that I could see, and it seems others agree) that is proactive | 20:17 |
| faenil | looks for feedback, tries to understand what's wrong in the community, tries to do something about it | 20:17 |
| Nicd- | Acce: seems there is a blocking queued connection in Qt which will fix my problem | 20:18 |
| faenil | it's not just about technical help, that's the difference :) | 20:18 |
| MSameer | i thought going through tmo and answering there is considered part of being proactive | 20:18 |
| MSameer | perhaps I was mistaken | 20:18 |
| MSameer | faenil: but anyway there is no point in arguing it and I am fine with him being recognized :p | 20:19 |
| faenil | MSameer, maybe you're not, but I don't follow TMO, so I could not appreciate, even if you did :) | 20:19 |
| MSameer | i personally have been taking a step back lately due to my share of issues but let's see | 20:20 |
| tbr | MSameer: let me ask you though, as that was what was emphasized, when did you challenge the status quo and tried to change that. | 20:20 |
| MSameer | tbr: I just said that I have been taking a step back (and I did not mention myself as being proactive BTW) | 20:21 |
| tbr | nobody is ignoring the contributions that jolla does to the open source projects around it. but that is just not the point of that statement. | 20:21 |
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| MSameer | tbr: BTW I still agree with all what is being said | 20:22 |
| jake9xx_ | like I told in twitter, IMO the problem is the onboarding to any mer/nemo/sailfish oss activity | 20:22 |
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| * lpotter gets back to hacking out code | 20:29 | |
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| faenil | lpotter, hope you got my point about github | 20:30 |
| M4rtinK | MSameer: oh, yeah, sorry - now I do remember you are quite active on TMO :) | 20:30 |
| M4rtinK | and of course lbt is working on chum | 20:30 |
| Nicd- | anyone know why my app would compile and deploy fine but never start? it just says "[D] QWaylandEglIntegration::QWaylandEglIntegration:58 - Using Wayland-EGL" and then nothing happens until I kill it | 20:31 |
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| MSameer | M4rtinK: no need to apologize. I was not talking about myself at all | 20:31 |
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| jake9xx_ | Nicd-: using libsailfishapp ? | 20:31 |
| MSameer | Nicd-: have you tried running it under the debugger and checking where it gets stuck? | 20:32 |
| Nicd- | jake9xx_: do you mean CONFIG += sailfishapp? | 20:32 |
| jake9xx_ | yeah | 20:33 |
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| lbt | M4rtinK: :) I think some activities are a bit bigger and tend to trigger more of a response. Others are more continual background effort which tend to become 'normal' | 20:34 |
| Nicd- | MSameer: I'll try now | 20:34 |
| MSameer | actually, lbt also maintains the obs sailfish targets with iamer | 20:35 |
| faenil | lbt, lpotter MSameer jake9xx_ has anyone of you ever contacted a community member to get feedback? just curious | 20:35 |
| Nicd- | debugging just results in a popup "Debugging failed", maybe I have a wrong configuration somewhere | 20:36 |
| lbt | faenil: srsly? | 20:36 |
| faenil | lbt, srsly, just curious | 20:36 |
| MSameer | faenil: isn't reading feedback on TMO and/or together and responding considered some sort of looking for feedback? | 20:36 |
| MSameer | taking the response back. putting it in bugzilla and working on it. isn't that kind of acting on the feedback? | 20:37 |
| MSameer | i am not saying that what carsten is doing is bad or useless. I am just saying that he is not the only one | 20:38 |
| * lbt looks at mer/nemo OBS, bugzilla, platform-sdk, mer git repos, mailing lists, irc bots, webhooks, DNS, release system, infra, financials... | 20:38 | |
| jake9xx_ | faenil: well, I've talked to a few developers regarding the SDK and those have been the drivers to prioritize fixes | 20:38 |
| MSameer | and believe me that saying this might discourage some people who are doing something | 20:38 |
| faenil | lbt, don't get me wrong, I'm in no way saying that you're not (or haven't done) enough for the community | 20:39 |
| * MSameer grabs faenil's pizza | 20:39 | |
| faenil | I'm talking of a different kind of effort | 20:39 |
| faenil | MSameer, I wish I had a pizza here with me :( | 20:39 |
| MSameer | faenil: not in italy ? :/ | 20:39 |
| lbt | faenil: go on | 20:40 |
| faenil | MSameer, yeah :( | 20:40 |
| MSameer | faenil: oops | 20:40 |
| faenil | MSameer, no, wait, I misread, yes I am in Italy | 20:40 |
| MSameer | faenil: anyway I get your point wrt community efforts | 20:40 |
| * MSameer slaps faenil | 20:40 | |
| faenil | lbt, thinking about how to put it | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | O_o | 20:40 |
| * tbr goes back to his ml post: fog of war | 20:41 | |
| lbt | faenil: also Stskeeps would be the first to acknowledge that we all keep each other honest wrt comunity and OSS side | 20:41 |
| * lbt hugs tbr | 20:41 | |
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| tbr | lbt: I'm just trying to describe the outside perspective | 20:42 |
| lbt | tbr: the conversation is going to produce heat as well as light :) | 20:42 |
| lbt | so long as we see the light all will be well | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | good - i personally believe that it's very easy to get blind to issues when you have full view of something | 20:42 |
| faenil | :) | 20:42 |
| tbr | and given my minimal insight into what happens on the boat, I consider myself an outsider in most aspects | 20:43 |
| MSameer | tbr: I have to admit that it was not easy for me to contribute to mer/nemo when I was an outsider | 20:43 |
| MSameer | tbr: but I have also seen some patches from non-jolla employees (I hate the word outsiders) | 20:43 |
| MSameer | one of them got released in update 4 IIRC | 20:44 |
| MSameer | but I have seen patches waiting in review queue on github for months without anyone acting on them | 20:44 |
| tbr | MSameer: yes you will see those, but this should be much easier. | 20:44 |
| MSameer | tbr: I agree | 20:45 |
| tbr | MSameer: I wrote a patch for FirefoxOS without understanding the platform. It ships on phones. It was a painful 3 days and incredibly hard to even find the information on where to look in the sources and even harder to find people to talk to. | 20:45 |
| tbr | in the end it was essentially a one line patch | 20:46 |
| MSameer | but it was painful | 20:47 |
| tbr | what I'm trying to say is: Things will seem incredibly clear and straight forward for people who are paid to intensively work on things and have a huge private backend to reach out into for help/information/bugs/roadmaps/etc | 20:47 |
| faenil | ^^^^^^^^^^^ that! | 20:47 |
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| MSameer | tbr: that is what I said a few minutes ago: [23:43] <MSameer> tbr: I have to admit that it was not easy for me to contribute to mer/nemo when I was an outsider | 20:48 |
| tbr | for people who come from the outside, who can not access JB#1234, who can't just join #trashtalk on a private network, it becomes incredibly frustrating | 20:48 |
| MSameer | tbr: I understand you | 20:48 |
| tbr | MSameer: yes, I'm just trying to explore this further for others to be able to go back to this discussion | 20:48 |
| lpotter | that would be #w and only crazies join that channel | 20:49 |
| MSameer | tbr: I totally agree with you | 20:49 |
| tbr | lpotter: luckily I was never invited there ;) | 20:49 |
| faenil | :) | 20:50 |
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| lpotter | tbr: you dont want to be | 20:50 |
| tbr | we agree, yes | 20:50 |
| MSameer | we have some stuff in github/nemomobile, nemomobile-packages, mer, mer-qt, mer-packages which is a bit of a mess | 20:51 |
| faenil | that's the least | 20:52 |
| MSameer | faenil: it starts from there | 20:52 |
| MSameer | but does not end there | 20:52 |
| faenil | but what if you say "I would like to help, let's see what they need help with" | 20:52 |
| MSameer | anyway, maybe we should wait for the meeting | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | i'm more than happy that people are discussing, fwiw | 20:53 |
| faenil | if you're IRC-friendly you come here, you ask for people, maybe they're australians, maybe they're in USA, so they won't reply because they're sleeping | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | the more that understand the issues involved, the better | 20:53 |
| faenil | and you have to stay awake at night | 20:53 |
| faenil | to know how you can help.. | 20:53 |
| sledges | wiki.merproject.org is a bit of a mess too | 20:53 |
| faenil | yeah | 20:53 |
| faenil | and there's no documentation about Nemo MW structure | 20:53 |
| MSameer | faenil: there are issues on t.j.c if you need to find stuff | 20:53 |
| sledges | what structure? :D | 20:53 |
| faenil | that! :D ^ | 20:54 |
| MSameer | nemo MW structure ? :P | 20:54 |
| faenil | like, you know | 20:54 |
| faenil | contacts stuff is split into so many repos | 20:54 |
| sledges | i know | 20:54 |
| MSameer | nemo on n9 was a demonstration of nemo MW structure | 20:54 |
| faenil | I just refuse to think about contributing to contacts | 20:54 |
| faenil | because there's nothing written I know I should be bothering people to know more | 20:54 |
| faenil | *every* single time | 20:54 |
| faenil | because there's 0 doc | 20:54 |
| faenil | and that is, if I know whom to to talk to! | 20:55 |
| faenil | otherwise I also have to find people *who* will tell me *whom* to look for! | 20:55 |
| MSameer | do you think I know ? :p | 20:55 |
| faenil | do you think that's how it should work? :D | 20:55 |
| MSameer | that's the 3rd point | 20:55 |
| MSameer | or 4th | 20:57 |
| MSameer | or 5th :D | 20:57 |
| faenil | :) | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | i'm really sad i can't find my old meego talk | 20:57 |
| MSameer | Stskeeps: start fresh :D | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | https://lwn.net/Articles/444567/ | 20:58 |
| MSameer | googling for "carsten's meego talk" and first result points to www.tizenexperts.com :p | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | :( | 20:58 |
| faenil | xD | 20:59 |
| faenil | I'll keep that for a good sunday morning | 20:59 |
| faenil | gf is looking for me...guess I have to go :p | 20:59 |
| sledges | https://xkcd.com/386/ | 20:59 |
| MSameer | faenil prefers his gf to community | 21:00 |
| faenil | ahaha :) | 21:00 |
| sledges | xD | 21:00 |
| tbr | OMG, I just remembered MeeGo Community office and threw up a little | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | community office.. we so should have one | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | that's a brilliant idea | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 21:01 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: will it come with people who have absolutely zero clue about what's really going on jerking off verbally to the process? that would be great, mkaaaaay? | 21:02 |
| tbr | especially later this was so incredibly painful | 21:02 |
| * Stskeeps does note community antipatterns as well though | 21:03 | |
| * faenil doesn't like leaving discussions like this :p | 21:03 | |
| tbr | at least this time the corporate entity is not actively sabotaging community porting work. ;-) | 21:04 |
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