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| situ | Morning | 05:27 |
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| coderus | moo | 07:24 |
| coderus | artemma: what problem with ~/.local/share/myapp/logs ? | 07:24 |
| coderus | why you need /var/log folder? | 07:25 |
| Nicd- | doesn't journalctl have an API for writing logs? | 07:25 |
| Nicd- | or systemd or whatever | 07:25 |
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| coderus | Nicd-: afaik you cant change logging for some applications, only whole journal | 07:37 |
| Nicd- | yeah, but I meant that can't he use some systemd's logging feature to save logs from his app | 07:38 |
| Nicd- | so they'll go wherever they usually go | 07:38 |
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| artemma | coderus: I can use /.local/share/.. Right now I use ~/.local/cache | 07:46 |
| artemma | coderus: wanted to use /var/log for two reasons: 1) I thought it's standard location for logs; 2) I guess it's one of the places system cleans on its own once in a while, so I don't have to bother abt deleting own old logs | 07:47 |
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| coderus | artemma: then use /tmp :) | 07:50 |
| coderus | Nicd-: journalctl -a /path/to > /my/logfile :D | 07:51 |
| Nicd- | artemma: is syslog available? | 07:51 |
| Nicd- | isn't that the standard way of logging? | 07:52 |
| coderus | no syslog in sailfish, isnt it? | 07:52 |
| coderus | its journal | 07:52 |
| Nicd- | yeah but there should be a similar API, no? | 07:52 |
| artemma | Nicd-: I output logs to journalctl too, but want to have own logfiles too. For longer term. Also would post more details to there | 07:52 |
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| coderus | artemma: msgHandler :) | 07:53 |
| coderus | /var/log root owned | 07:53 |
| coderus | i'm sure you cant use it | 07:53 |
| artemma | yes, sure, that's where it all starts, but then I need to direct logs to some file | 07:53 |
| artemma | well, I am not a *nix person. Was just asking abt what's proper location for log files | 07:54 |
| coderus | well | 07:55 |
| coderus | it depends on Harbour | 07:55 |
| coderus | if you want to go to it or not | 07:55 |
| artemma | I do :) | 07:57 |
| coderus | then you should use ~/.local/share only and forget about other paths to save any information | 07:58 |
| squidd | umm how can I set maps to show meters instead of yards? | 08:01 |
| stephg | squidd, which country are you in | 08:02 |
| Nicd- | squidd: if you have dev mode you can change the appropriate part of the locale in the terminal, afaik that's the only way if you don't want to change the UI language | 08:03 |
| * stephg wondered if it was all based on locale | 08:03 | |
| squidd | finland | 08:03 |
| stephg | and you have yards/miles etc?(?!) | 08:03 |
| squidd | im guessing its cos my language is set to english | 08:04 |
| squidd | but thats just silly to not have any option to change it | 08:05 |
| stephg | yeah | 08:05 |
| Nicd- | I agree it's stupid | 08:06 |
| Nicd- | hopefully there's a setting coming for it | 08:06 |
| flux | has someone tried changing the locale variables for the map software? | 08:06 |
| flux | I'm thinking an executable wrapper that first exports LC_MEASUREMENT=en_US.utf8 or something might work | 08:07 |
| Stskeeps | or just edit the file where locale is set in? | 08:07 |
| Stskeeps | (at own risk..) | 08:07 |
| pp | Why can't they just standardize "International English" :( | 08:08 |
| pp | Broken american english, A4 paper and kilometers :-) | 08:08 |
| stephg | standardise! ;) | 08:09 |
| squidd | why cant silly people use metric system like most people do | 08:09 |
| pp | in broken american english both are fine! | 08:10 |
| flux | soo, putting some extras to /etc/sysconfig/i18n should work I suppose? | 08:10 |
| flux | this is why adding a wrapper to maps app is preferable, less chance of breaking system boot :) | 08:11 |
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| flux | apparently i18n isn't just locale variables | 08:14 |
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| cos- | i can't believe it's 2014 and computers are still full of locale issues | 08:15 |
| flux | the problem is some people don't understand that there are many who prefer not to use their native language | 08:15 |
| cos- | luckily charset issues have been solved, at least in foss world | 08:15 |
| flux | but while we prefer to not use the native languages, we do prefer to use sane dates and sane measurements.. | 08:16 |
| cos- | for exaple ubuntu defaults to some "letter" page size which is used in some remote country and i need to change it in all applications.. | 08:16 |
| flux | /etc/papersize, there's probably a tool for changing that | 08:16 |
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| cos- | flux: yep, but in 2014 i'd expect automatic sane defaults, especially as the computer knows my location | 08:31 |
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| cos- | still no 1.0 out | 08:31 |
| Nicd- | any day now | 08:32 |
| stephg | what about now? | 08:32 |
| squidd | just like dukenukem! any year now! | 08:32 |
| Stskeeps | we just care about our quality.. | 08:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:32 |
| ln- | unacceptable! | 08:33 |
| squidd | cant you care a bit faster? :D | 08:33 |
| ln- | it's open source, there can't be bugs or quality issues. | 08:33 |
| Juuba | squidd: did you find the english+kilometers fix yet? a simple locales-edit does the trick | 08:33 |
| Juuba | http://www.jollatides.com/2013/12/16/how-to-tweak-jolla-system-locale/ | 08:34 |
| squidd | Juuba: yes, I was able to do it change it | 08:34 |
| squidd | google was my friend | 08:34 |
| Juuba | yeah | 08:34 |
| squidd | wow, change of thought in the middle of the sentence <3 | 08:34 |
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| Juuba | :D | 08:35 |
| joonahoi_ | Stskeeps: that's great. especailly when lifting the beta tag | 08:35 |
| Juuba | squidd: sounds like some pop song's chorus | 08:35 |
| squidd | :D | 08:35 |
| joonahoi_ | also sadly very #unlike as well ;) | 08:35 |
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| v3ng3anc3 | Hello Guys | 08:42 |
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| stephg | ohai! | 08:45 |
| v3ng3anc3 | Hi | 08:48 |
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| squidd | hi | 08:50 |
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| s1gk1ll | hi everyone | 10:40 |
| s1gk1ll | question: after a factory reset | 10:40 |
| s1gk1ll | you have to do all the updates from the start? | 10:40 |
| s1gk1ll | isnt it possible to jump to the latest update in one shot? | 10:41 |
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| Stskeeps | no, because we don't update the factory snapshot | 10:41 |
| s1gk1ll | but you never install the factory snapshot right? | 10:42 |
| Eztran | I think it goes => 1.0.25 => latest currently? | 10:42 |
| s1gk1ll | it is already there | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | Eztran: yeah | 10:42 |
| s1gk1ll | latest is 1.0.3.8 | 10:42 |
| s1gk1ll | it's a little bit anoying to do more than one update | 10:44 |
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| s1gk1ll | telling my story with the only factory reset I've done: | 10:45 |
| s1gk1ll | after the 1st update to 1.0.2.5 | 10:46 |
| s1gk1ll | the 2nd update to 1.0.3.8 didnt work using the seetings app | 10:46 |
| s1gk1ll | only worked with # version --dup | 10:46 |
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| s1gk1ll | not sure why | 10:47 |
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| squidd | is there a nice way to send sms using commandline? | 10:49 |
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| goroboro | squidd... I would guess that you could do this by making a dbus call to telepathy... but I haven't figured it out myself yet | 12:08 |
| goroboro | if you find out... let me know | 12:08 |
| squidd | Ill start looking into it when I get home I guess | 12:08 |
| squidd | Unless I end up celebrating friday | 12:08 |
| goroboro | mmm pm me if you solve it... I usually stay online | 12:08 |
| goroboro | even afk | 12:08 |
| squidd | sure | 12:09 |
| goroboro | I would love to be able to write an app on my desktop that can send sms via my jolla | 12:09 |
| squidd | yeah thats my plan too :P | 12:09 |
| goroboro | :D | 12:09 |
| * goroboro offers a beer to anyone that can document how to do this :D:D:D | 12:10 | |
| Stskeeps | ssh phone "dbus-send /ofono" ..? | 12:10 |
| Sail0r | https://together.jolla.com/question/17992/sending-an-sms-via-the-command-line/ | 12:11 |
| goroboro | Stskeeps: that's starting to sound hopeful | 12:12 |
| goroboro | Sail0r: I owe you a beer | 12:12 |
| pp | maybe adding something like https://github.com/joshtronic/python-dbus-rest-server :D | 12:12 |
| squidd | oh damn | 12:12 |
| Sail0r | goroboro: :) | 12:12 |
| squidd | This looks good :O | 12:12 |
| goroboro | this prompts me to think up a way that it would be possible to buy anyone a beer anywhere in the world.... | 12:13 |
| Sail0r | beerpal? | 12:13 |
| Sail0r | should be a german service | 12:14 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 12:14 |
| goroboro | heh | 12:14 |
| Juuba | wouldn't this be one the reasons why bitcoin was created? | 12:15 |
| goroboro | bitcoin != beer | 12:18 |
| Acce | who wants to start a bar that accepts bitcoins? | 12:19 |
| Acce | so people can offer beers over the internet | 12:19 |
| goroboro | the problem with that is enforcing that the bitcoin gets used for beer | 12:19 |
| Acce | maybe we should just ditch all currencies and measure everything in beer | 12:19 |
| goroboro | when I offer someone a beer... I don't mean to give them cash... I literally want to give them beer | 12:20 |
| Sail0r | let's name it beercoin | 12:20 |
| Acce | goroboro: yes, that's way you could send the bitcoin directly to the bar | 12:20 |
| goroboro | Acce: ah... I see your logic | 12:20 |
| Nicd- | what if they don't drink beer? | 12:20 |
| goroboro | then fuck em | 12:20 |
| goroboro | :D | 12:20 |
| Sail0r | lol | 12:20 |
| Juuba | their loss | 12:20 |
| goroboro | I only pay ppl in beer | 12:20 |
| Acce | I wonder what Finnish law says about taking donations in beer | 12:21 |
| goroboro | its the foss way | 12:21 |
| Acce | since it's prohibited to receive monetary donations | 12:21 |
| Sail0r | nothing about liquid donations? | 12:22 |
| goroboro | Acce: the problem with your proposal is that it is localized... so the person has to go to that specific bar to get their beer... | 12:22 |
| Juuba | well | 12:22 |
| Acce | goroboro: yes.. we need somekind of beerpay network, and get many bars to join | 12:22 |
| Juuba | if it is valued more than the (what's the amount, 1-2000 eur/year) allowed amount, you gotta pay taxes | 12:22 |
| goroboro | Acce: I'm in... | 12:22 |
| Acce | then we can send messages like "this bar has a beer for you!" | 12:22 |
| goroboro | maybe we could issue beer cards... that you can top up | 12:23 |
| Juuba | it doesn't matter (i think) if the gift is not "money", you still gotta pay tax | 12:23 |
| Sail0r | maybe you could send a qr code and that gets accepted at any bar | 12:23 |
| Acce | we could have beer accounts, which shows how many beers we have, and we could drink those beers at the bars in the alliance | 12:23 |
| pp | Acce: actually it's fine to receive, you just can't solicit them | 12:23 |
| goroboro | that way you could top up your beer card before a night out... and only use that for your rounds... responsible drinking | 12:23 |
| Acce | pp: yes, but it's meaningless, since people rarely send you a message asking your paypal account so they can donate to you | 12:24 |
| goroboro | pp does the beerware license count as solicitation? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beerware | 12:24 |
| Acce | I wonder if we could really get pubs to join this kind of service | 12:25 |
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| goroboro | worthwhile endeavour... you just need to work out a way to actually get the money to the pub | 12:25 |
| Acce | I guess regular internet payment would work somehow | 12:26 |
| goroboro | that method has to be equivalent to paying the price at the bar | 12:26 |
| pp | probably | 12:26 |
| Acce | which would be directed to the bar in question | 12:26 |
| goroboro | so internet payments tend to go through some payment gateway that takes a commission... which messes with this | 12:26 |
| Acce | well, it would make the beers little bit more expensive yeah.. | 12:26 |
| Juuba | still the recipient would not care nor pay anything? | 12:27 |
| goroboro | still... I think I would be willing to pay a bit more | 12:27 |
| Juuba | win + win | 12:27 |
| * goroboro wants to be the payment gateway then | 12:27 | |
| goroboro | now I need to go and convince bars to use me | 12:28 |
| Acce | but something like 1. user decides to pay a beer to person A, 2. service receives payment for the beer 3. person A goes to alliance pub 4. service pays the pub in question | 12:28 |
| goroboro | Acce: that's the model | 12:28 |
| Acce | yes, if you're willing to donate a beer to someone, does it matter if it's 6 or 7 euros? | 12:28 |
| Acce | or I don't know, it's probably much cheaper in some places | 12:29 |
| Juuba | donate needs to be specified? Generic-tap beer/guinness/local expensive but good beer/etc... | 12:29 |
| Juuba | or "Bud" to insult someone. | 12:30 |
| Juuba | "Bud Light" to fuck them up real good | 12:30 |
| Acce | hmm yeah, it's difficult, since for example a fine czech beer costs 6-7 euros in finland, but 1-2 euros in czech.. | 12:30 |
| Juuba | then you donate the czech budweisser to someone and they get MAD at ya | 12:31 |
| Juuba | if they thought it was just the american piss-wasser | 12:31 |
| Acce | there has to be some value categories as you said, from which the receiver can choose from | 12:31 |
| Acce | it could be like pizza online, just for beer and without delivery :P | 12:32 |
| goroboro | Juuba: I like your thinking | 12:32 |
| Juuba | i'll volunteer as a test engineer for this service | 12:32 |
| * goroboro needs to get back to work | 12:33 | |
| goroboro | definitely something to mull over | 12:33 |
| Acce | yes, we'll memo this and in ten years, today will be celebrated by beers donated through our service! | 12:33 |
| goroboro | I'm convinced that you could get pubs etc to sign up for this | 12:34 |
| goroboro | they might even be willing to pay the processing fee | 12:34 |
| goroboro | the logic would be... someone got a beer... they come to the pub and drink the beer... | 12:34 |
| goroboro | they bring a friend... they buy more beer | 12:34 |
| goroboro | what could go wrong for the pub? | 12:35 |
| Acce | yep | 12:35 |
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| goroboro | just need to work out the payment processing | 12:35 |
| Acce | we need to first make the service.. and then test with few pubs we have connections with | 12:35 |
| Acce | first allowing paypal only would be fast, probably | 12:36 |
| Acce | most people have it and then no need to fiddle with all the card companies | 12:36 |
| goroboro | mmm definitely an option | 12:36 |
| Acce | later we could add local bank payment etc.. | 12:36 |
| * goroboro makes a note to explore this further | 12:37 | |
| goroboro | I'm sure that we can convince people to go down to their local pubs and sell the idea | 12:38 |
| goroboro | one problem though... I need to validate myself to claim my beer | 12:38 |
| goroboro | the validation could be an issue | 12:39 |
| goroboro | pub doesn't want overhead handling this | 12:39 |
| Acce | yes | 12:40 |
| Acce | the validation would be for example, a QR code on your phone screen | 12:40 |
| Acce | like online tickets etc | 12:40 |
| goroboro | sounds reasonable... although that would mean the pub would need a scanner... to check that the beer is still valid... staff training etc | 12:41 |
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| Acce | I think a scanner wouldn't much too expensive, we could even donate the scanner if the pub is willing to join | 12:41 |
| Acce | I'm now dreaming of the day when my phone beeps and says "You have 1 new beer" | 12:42 |
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| Acce | or, we could make an app for the seller side, since they probably have QR code reading phones anyways | 12:47 |
| Acce | no need for additional hardware expect where needed | 12:48 |
| Acce | well, off to play some floorball now! | 12:48 |
| goroboro | enjoy | 12:48 |
| * goroboro is back to work | 12:48 | |
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| Wnt | great introduction to DBUS method calls; I created a script that calls store client's checkForUpgrade once every 5 minutes and shows an alert on the screen if something is available | 14:02 |
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| Wnt | one can see the DBUS method name at lest from /usr/share/jolla-settings/pages/about/about.qml | 14:03 |
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| edips | thp: after building pyotherside for android, there is an error about importing pyotherside in creator: "QML module does not contain information about components contained in plugin" | 14:44 |
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| cos- | still no update.. don't release the devs for beer until it's out :-) | 15:00 |
| inffy | :-) | 15:00 |
| inffy | i would guess they are already drinking the cool-aid | 15:01 |
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| edips | :^] | 15:07 |
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| tortoisedoc | ahoi | 15:26 |
| inffy | next week then... | 15:27 |
| tortoisedoc | inffy : update happens next week? | 15:27 |
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| Stskeeps | https://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/444493321126563840 | 15:28 |
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| tortoisedoc | tak Stskeeps | 15:30 |
| tortoisedoc | speaking of updates | 15:30 |
| tortoisedoc | is there anywhere a feature roadmap for releases available`? | 15:30 |
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| tortoisedoc | probably within Jolla, but heh it would be great to have access to it :D | 15:31 |
| tortoisedoc | (as developers I mean) | 15:31 |
| inffy | tjc i guess | 15:31 |
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| tortoisedoc | inffy : tjc is more community-wishes oriented, I was referring to something official from Jolla | 15:48 |
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| PojntFX | Hi! I wanna be an early adopter for SailfishOS in the nexus 4! I hope it's OK to simply talk to the chatroom... a big thanks! | 16:19 |
| Yaniel | pm sledges with the details, he is more or less in charge of those AFAIK | 16:20 |
| sledges | o/ | 16:21 |
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| coderus | so what the version of upcoming release? | 17:00 |
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| PojntFX | sledges are you online? | 17:02 |
| m4g0g | when we can see this realse | 17:02 |
| sledges | soon | 17:03 |
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| PojntFX | Hi guys does anybody know that: is the android part includet in sailfish for nexus 4? | 17:06 |
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| tortoisedoc | grumble | 17:43 |
| tortoisedoc | why is my qsettings obj not sync'ing correctly to file.. | 17:43 |
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| coderus | tortoisedoc: how thats possible? | 17:56 |
| tortoisedoc | coderus : good question | 17:56 |
| tortoisedoc | code that used to work elsewhere (desktop, n9) does not work on sailfish? | 17:56 |
| tortoisedoc | (emulator=) | 17:56 |
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| tortoisedoc | ah ok now it works :) | 18:06 |
| tortoisedoc | wrong initialization :D | 18:06 |
| Nightmare__ | :D | 18:07 |
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| tortoisedoc | mm | 19:21 |
| tortoisedoc | anyone tried QIcon::hasThemeIcon? | 19:22 |
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| raa70 | should i get nexus7 or does noteII get sailfish sooner? | 19:29 |
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| tortoisedoc | Unable to assign double to QQuickAnchorLine | 20:12 |
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| tortoisedoc | anyone else? ^ | 20:12 |
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