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| cvp | good morning ;) | 07:00 |
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| cos- | i'd check for update but my jolla is just blinking green | 07:01 |
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| coderus | moooorning | 07:43 |
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| AL13N | yo | 07:44 |
| squidd | morning | 07:44 |
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| AL13N | coderus: why would you even want to give root perms to android apps? | 07:44 |
| coderus | for hacking bonuses in games :D | 07:46 |
| coderus | and remove adv banners of course :) | 07:48 |
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| cvp | coderus: you can edit game files... i did it on Hill Climp Racing.... | 08:18 |
| coderus | cvp: i know, i prefer rooting aliendalvik :) | 08:20 |
| cvp | want it too :) | 08:21 |
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| cvp | coderus: do you have some infos about sailchat ? | 08:42 |
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| AL13N | anyone working on a ebook/comicbook reader thing? | 08:48 |
| AL13N | calibre for sailfishos maybe? | 08:49 |
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| dimitrimus | Hello to everybody! | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | hello | 09:14 |
| dimitrimus | I have found the project not so long ago, but when I've heard about mobile OS built on Qt, I can't resist - that's brilliant! | 09:15 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, did you see the hardware product / the videos? | 09:15 |
| dimitrimus | yep, and I already made an order for the jolla phone | 09:16 |
| dimitrimus | and now learning SDK | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | oki | 09:16 |
| dimitrimus | it's really bad that it's so hard to get it from outside of the EU, but I hope I'll make it | 09:17 |
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| dimitrimus | by the way, is it possible to learn about applications which is really needed but have not been implemented yet? | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | store isn't accessible through web sadly | 09:19 |
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| dimitrimus | i see | 09:23 |
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| dimitrimus | ok, that's a good time to learn a platform while waiting for the device | 09:23 |
| dimitrimus | =) | 09:23 |
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| coderus | cvp: no idea what is sailchat | 09:53 |
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| finga | how far is the devel process of sailfishos to run for example on an geekphone revolution? | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | well | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | it depends who asks - you have the android build tree for it already? | 10:15 |
| finga | Stskeeps: you mean having android sources on my machine? | 10:18 |
| finga | Stskeeps: sry i'm kind of new to android or sailfish | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | in practice you need ~= some partial set of the build sources of an android build matching the device | 10:19 |
| finga | but my aim is to run open source only, | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | that might be problematic since parts of sailfishos ui is closed source currently.. | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | and the GPU drivers on the geeksphone revolution is not OSS either | 10:20 |
| finga | Stskeeps yea true, i better would have said as much open as possible ;) | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | so; what we'll be providing is to make it very easy to port sailfishos to a device that today runs cyanogenmod 10.1 | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | if you don't have that, it's a little harder but not impossible | 10:22 |
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| finga | Stskeeps okay that helps a lot, the thing is i would love to have something like archlinux on my phone, in a philosophical way in the sense of lightwight. but i guess at the moment thats seems like a utopia | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 10:25 |
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| Stskeeps | we're very lightweight | 10:25 |
| finga | great!! i'm realy looking forward to try out sailfish, because it seems sailfishos is going the right direction ;) | 10:26 |
| fk_lx | they are very lightweight, but for some reason UI is laggy when compared to Android | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | we have some way to go in some areas | 10:27 |
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| finga | how is the developement driven? more community wise or from jolla? | 10:28 |
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| Stskeeps | i think it's unfair to say that we're community driven - we'd like to be, but in practice it's not like that at the moment -- we are basing on two open source projects; a collection of packages in practice, merproject.org and nemo mobile; plus naturally all their upstream projects.. | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | and contribute into those | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | together.jolla.com helps determine direction of feature prioritization etc | 10:29 |
| fk_lx | finga: developer community for now is only for marketing purposes to shout on stage, but in practice, read this: https://together.jolla.com/question/680/co-creation-leading-to-co-development/#1214 | 10:30 |
| fk_lx | finga: the sad part is that nothing have changed for months since that post was written | 10:31 |
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| fk_lx | finga: also there are some serious problems https://twitter.com/MartinRusler/status/444498974192713728 https://twitter.com/khertan/status/444528973968838656 | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | fk_lx: first warning, i think you're being toxic for no good reason | 10:33 |
| finga | fk_lx: thx, okay, i see but that doesn't scare me | 10:35 |
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| finga | i like breaking and fixing my os'es^^ | 10:37 |
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| phaeron | fk_lx: search for S4 problems in google and see what you find :D | 10:38 |
| Sidde | i can in some sense agree with fk_lx bout the lack of information on what's happening in the development | 10:39 |
| fk_lx | phaeron: we are talking here about Sailfish not Samsung ;-) | 10:39 |
| finga | Sidde, what do you mean? | 10:40 |
| Sidde | the roadmap for when and how we can use more qt | 10:40 |
| fk_lx | phaeron: about Samsung I could go to #tizen | 10:40 |
| Sidde | *qt modules | 10:40 |
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| Sidde | qtpositioning for example. When will it be ready to use for the jolla store | 10:41 |
| finga | hmmm... sidde but thats the problem with software not entirely driven by communities | 10:41 |
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| finga | lol was that neccessary? | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | it goes deeper than this conversation, sorry | 10:42 |
| Nicd- | Sidde: isn't QtPositioning unstable altogether currently? | 10:42 |
| * ruskie doesn't envy Stskeeps with needing to deal with such stuff | 10:42 | |
| Sidde | Nicd-: maybe. But what's the roadmap? | 10:42 |
| Nicd- | Sidde: I think it depends on Digia / the Qt devs | 10:43 |
| Sidde | Nicd-: some features that worked good in qtmobile don't work so good in sailfish. Like satalite info and so in | 10:43 |
| Sidde | Nicd-: all i say is it would be nice to have info like roadmaps and so in. Many applications on todays smartphones are integrated with sensors on the phone | 10:44 |
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| Nicd- | yeah, I agree | 10:45 |
| Sidde | Nicd-: and it would be very nice to know when we can expect to use it. Is it a year away or is it not even planned to be implemented | 10:45 |
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| Nicd- | I'm waiting on positioning/location APIs because I'd like to work on a geocaching program | 10:45 |
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| Stskeeps | problem there is the ABI changes that can happen in upstream | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | and it will cause apps to start breaking when you do upgrades | 10:47 |
| Sidde | Stskeeps: but what's jollas take on this? Are we never going to be able to use it because someone upstream might change something? | 10:48 |
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| Stskeeps | Sidde: not entirely no; but we try to follow qt-project.org's levels of api at any time | 10:48 |
| ruskie | I'm thinking it'll be more like once upstream stabilizes it | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | because it's a huge work to maintain a fork in practice | 10:49 |
| AL13N | build chroot is sort of finally ready: https://together.jolla.com/question/26605/howto-install-a-chroot-for-building-apps/ | 10:50 |
| Sidde | i can't really understand what you are saying. That is always the scenario with open source software. | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | okay, let me rephrase | 10:50 |
| Sidde | and in this case sailfish is a smartphone os. but there is no APIs ready to be used for smartphone features | 10:51 |
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| Stskeeps | our API stack, especially when it comes to qt, is taken pretty much as-is upstream; people make applications that don't get build from source -- and we try to align as much as we can with their ABI stability promises | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | so our work to maintain a working qtlocation api grows massively if we have to maintain the old ABI | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | this is fixed in qt5.2 i think though | 10:52 |
| Sidde | And when is sailfish ready for 5.2? | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | probably two updates away at the moment, we have the sw building internally but it's not consumer stable yet | 10:53 |
| Sidde | This is exaclty the information i said that i'm missing. A roadmap or info about that's the plan forward | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | agreed | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | it's too spread out currently and we haven't been good enough in our developer offering | 10:54 |
| Sidde | It's very hard to be any kind of developer for sailfish when you are left out in the dark | 10:54 |
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| Sidde | but thanks Stskeeps for the info | 10:55 |
| Sailor1190 | hi everyone | 10:56 |
| Sailor1190 | any news for update? | 10:56 |
| finga | i agree with sidde, its not good to be left out in the dark ;) | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | Sidde: well, i have to empty my dishwasher but we can sit and discuss a bit what's factually missing | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | +after that | 10:56 |
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| Sidde | Stskeeps: thanks but maybe another time. I'm off to apply some gelcoat on some parts for my boat :D | 10:57 |
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| M4rtinK | well, I don't mind just fixing my application once the stable API is available | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | the other problem is then also if we added a sailfishos specific api, too | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | then there'd be a loss of compatibility with other qt based platforms | 11:05 |
| M4rtinK | I think most people are using the QML positioning API which is unlikely to change much at this point | 11:05 |
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| Stskeeps | i think it actually did | 11:06 |
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| Stskeeps | from what i saw | 11:06 |
| M4rtinK | well I have the same code running on Sailfish & with desktop Qt 5.2 | 11:06 |
| M4rtinK | but could be I'm not using the specific thing that changed | 11:07 |
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| Stskeeps | M4rtinK: i saw the diff at some point and there was for sure abi trouble at least :/ | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | else we would have not bothered restricting it | 11:11 |
| M4rtinK | well, I think some developers would not mind just fixing their app once needed | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | well that's not so much that | 11:12 |
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| M4rtinK | rather than having it barred completely | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | but also that what about the apps that don't update.. and we remove from people's devices? | 11:12 |
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| tbr | "The following apps are not compatible with this update and will be removed: [list]" | 11:13 |
| M4rtinK | I would say developers responsibility | 11:13 |
| phaeron | tbr: you think that's easy ? :) | 11:15 |
| M4rtinK | well, you could just leave the app there even if it crashes | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | not really no, it's bad quality of the OS and user experience.. | 11:16 |
| M4rtinK | if you remove it, people would blame the OS, if it crashes, people will (rightfully) blame the developer | 11:16 |
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| tbr | phaeron: it takes defining a process, but it's possible, yes | 11:16 |
| phaeron | tbr: it needs support from the store side and the store client and all the way down :) | 11:17 |
| tbr | If your app gets accepted conditionally to jolla store due to API usage, you agree to submit an update, otherwise harbour will simply remove it. | 11:17 |
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| tbr | phaeron: sure, it's additional work if it needs mechanisms that aren't there yet | 11:18 |
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| Stskeeps | and in store client, which means a N+1 update thing always :/ | 11:18 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah, we should probably get that discussed again | 11:18 |
| tbr | it means n+1 forever if it doesn't get started | 11:18 |
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| M4rtinK | yeah, I've been at the round table and I know there is no win-win solution | 11:25 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: | 11:26 |
| M4rtinK | but at the same time I can understand people being upset about APIs they consider essential not being available to Harbour applications | 11:26 |
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| Guest94295 | Hello Guys | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | brr. massive rain storm outside.. | 11:26 |
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| Stskeeps | M4rtinK: yes, agreed | 11:29 |
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| cos- | luckily there is warehouse which helps a little with the api and other store acceptance issues | 11:42 |
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| v3ng3anc3 | you guys need a bot in here :) with trivia about Sailfish. The prize is a flashable Sailfish OS :) | 11:53 |
| v3ng3anc3 | and Just out of curiosity, will there be support for older Android Devices? Like the First Samsung Galaxy S? | 11:55 |
| v3ng3anc3 | Would love to run that on my old, good for nothing phone | 11:55 |
| jussi | v3ng3anc3: from what I hear, it should work on anything CM 10.1 works on | 11:56 |
| v3ng3anc3 | Realy? that would be amazing | 11:56 |
| v3ng3anc3 | but isn't it Kernel related? | 11:56 |
| jussi | v3ng3anc3: Im planning to attempt the port to an older sony ericsson, lets see how things go | 11:56 |
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| v3ng3anc3 | i hope they release the first Flashable zip soon, and from there ppl will add the drivers for their devices | 11:58 |
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| v3ng3anc3 | Did you see a N9 running Sailfish? is it smooth? | 11:58 |
| v3ng3anc3 | Because if that is smooth, then anything else will be too | 11:58 |
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| v3ng3anc3 | ? no answer | 12:01 |
| jussi | sorry, was looking elswhere | 12:04 |
| jussi | its pretty decent on the n950... | 12:04 |
| v3ng3anc3 | Np. Nice ti hear that | 12:04 |
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| Stskeeps | v3ng3anc3: the fact we use the gpu quite intensely helps a lot | 12:35 |
| v3ng3anc3 | For the UI? | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 12:38 |
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| v3ng3anc3 | Android has an option in "developers options" to force GPU renedering for the UI but i can see no differance in my I9000 (Galaxy S) | 12:42 |
| v3ng3anc3 | Anyway, there is nothing worse then low framerate | 12:43 |
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| cos- | all qml is drawn using gpu and all sailfish ui is qml | 12:50 |
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| Stskeeps | (plus a few shadereffects here and there) | 12:51 |
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| cos- | we have benchmarked qml against html5 in a couple of work projects and qml is the clear winner | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | really looking forward to getting the qt5.2 scenegraph renderer in | 12:56 |
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| M4rtinK | oh right, it is not there yet pre 5.2 | 12:58 |
| M4rtinK | also that V4 JS engine | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | we have gunnar sletta who wrote it onboard as well; many of the improvements you'll see in next update originates from his work | 12:59 |
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| ruskie | hmmm wouldn't mind giving sailfish a try on my galaxy tab 2 10.1 | 13:00 |
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| M4rtinK | interesting | 13:00 |
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| ruskie | though wonder how the UI would fit a tablet | 13:01 |
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| v3ng3anc3 | i have a tab 2 7.0 ... and would test there too if needed | 13:07 |
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| v3ng3anc3 | lol, i would put Sailfish on my fridge, cause i loved Meego alot | 13:08 |
| walokra | lbt_: is your screenshot's source available somewhere? | 13:09 |
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| Stskeeps | ruskie: atm it kinda only does 'massive phone' | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | ruskie: check photos from MWC | 13:10 |
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| lbt_ | walokra: nah, I never got round to publishing it. It's just a personal appstore project | 13:10 |
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| walokra | lbt: ok, just going through different apps for blog post | 13:11 |
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| lbt | walokra: sure | 13:12 |
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| tbr | walokra: if you want an OSS app for screenshots: https://github.com/fk-lx/SailshotMe - also in store | 13:17 |
| walokra | yeah | 13:18 |
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| tbr | also you can do it from cmdline | 13:18 |
| * Stskeeps uses that, too | 13:18 | |
| M4rtinK | command line ? nice :) | 13:19 |
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| M4rtinK | should make screenshots directly to local folder much easier :) | 13:19 |
| tbr | I seem to remember it being mentioned here, maybe even by me | 13:19 |
| tbr | it's a simple dbus call | 13:19 |
| M4rtinK | well, even to a mounted web server folder :) | 13:19 |
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| tbr | the app does pretty much the same IIRC | 13:19 |
| lbt | it does | 13:20 |
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| tbr | 2014-01-02 20:05:18< coderus> /usr/lib/qt5/bin/qdbus org.nemomobile.lipstick /org/nemomobile/lipstick/screenshot org.nemomobile.lipstick.saveScreenshot /home/nemo/Pictures/Screenshot-`date +%d-%m-%y-%H-%M-%S`.png | 13:23 |
| tbr | as an example | 13:23 |
| kimmoli_sailing_ | easy to make it from proximity int too | 13:25 |
| walokra | would like to see screenshots from power+volume down | 13:25 |
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| Mohis | Hey! Is there a way to fix the annoying Bootloop bug ? | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | recovery mode -> btrfs fix | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | https://together.jolla.com/question/22079/howto-all-pc-users-recover-or-reset-a-device-that-is-stuck-in-boot-loop/ ? | 14:56 |
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| walokra | lbt's screenshot is a lot more feature rich than sailshotme | 16:14 |
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| Morpog_ | if it just would remember it's settings | 16:48 |
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| freinhard | hi! | 16:59 |
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| freinhard | is there a howto on installing applications on the sailfish sdk emulator? like an existing mail / calendar / contact application? | 17:02 |
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| Yaniel | zypper | 17:03 |
| freinhard | Yaniel: ssh login to the emulator: there's no zypper binary | 17:07 |
| Yaniel | what about pkcon? | 17:08 |
| freinhard | that one is there | 17:08 |
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| coderus | afaik there are no x86 binaries for emulator you want :) | 17:16 |
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| lbt | Morpog_: ? | 17:22 |
| Morpog_ | well, hide cover, screenshot delay and use png options all are reset when opening the app again | 17:23 |
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| freinhard | coderus: so for the emulator theres basically nothing except for what is shipped with the SDK? | 17:30 |
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| zippo | is there anyway to clear a canvas? after visualizing an image on the canvas it would be great if the canvas could be cleared again. | 18:41 |
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| M4rtinK | zippo: the QtQuick Canvas element ? | 19:13 |
| zippo | M4rtinK: yep, QtQuick Canvas ... | 19:14 |
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| M4rtinK | I think there is a clear method | 19:15 |
| M4rtinK | and I think you can also select areas to be repainted | 19:15 |
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| zippo | M4rtinK: ok, I'll check the repainting. couldn't find any description on a clear method so far. thx | 19:18 |
| M4rtinK | looking at it now, looks like there is none :) | 19:18 |
| M4rtinK | but I would say calling paint and not actually painting anything should do :) | 19:18 |
| zippo | M4rtinK: ok, i'll try that. thx | 19:19 |
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| M4rtinK | haven't really used Canvas yet myself, but I'm going to in the near future | 19:21 |
| M4rtinK | for drawing routes and tracklogs in modRana :) | 19:21 |
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| M4rtinK | BTW, just in case, do you happen to know how is tiling supposed to work in Canvas ? | 19:22 |
| zippo | no, not really. just playing around with canvas for the first time myself. what was the modRana app again? | 19:23 |
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| M4rtinK | it is a navigation system | 19:24 |
| M4rtinK | you can get it from OpenRepos if you want to try it out :) | 19:24 |
| M4rtinK | https://openrepos.net/content/martink/modrana-0 | 19:24 |
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| zippo | just took a look. pretty cool. have you worked with mapping in the past or is this just something you came up with out of your head! | 19:26 |
| M4rtinK | well, I've been working on modRana since 2010 :) | 19:28 |
| M4rtinK | first supported device was the original Neo FreeRunner pen hardware mobile phone | 19:28 |
| M4rtinK | then the N900, N9/50 and other devices | 19:29 |
| M4rtinK | it also runs on desktop Linux devices :) | 19:29 |
| M4rtinK | I also contribute to OpenStreetMap a bit :) | 19:29 |
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| zippo | quite a while... ok, never heard of the neo freerunner. done some hacking on the n900 quite a bit while working for nokia back in the day. that was before they made that dumb decission to go on with wp... | 19:31 |
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| M4rtinK | yeah, been through all that on the user side :) | 19:31 |
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| M4rtinK | who knows where things would be without the Elopocalypse | 19:33 |
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| M4rtinK | on one side things could have been farther along, as all the changes delayed quite a lot of stuff | 19:33 |
| M4rtinK | Qt 5, MeeGo/Mer, etc. | 19:34 |
| M4rtinK | on the other hand most of the concerned project seem to be generally more "healthy" not being bound to Nokia | 19:34 |
| M4rtinK | as one can see in all the innovation happening in Mer | 19:35 |
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| M4rtinK | and all the multiplatform progress in Qt | 19:35 |
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| M4rtinK | when both don't have Nokia breathing behind their neck | 19:36 |
| M4rtinK | that's my feeling from the whole story :) | 19:36 |
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| zippo | absolutly... but it was clear from day one with Elop that things would go the way they went with nokia. on the other hand you're right. who knows if all the advances would have happened if things had continued the way they were back then. | 19:37 |
| zippo | really enjoyed working there though until things went down the drain.... | 19:38 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, I was kinda surprised that even the N9 was released | 19:39 |
| M4rtinK | made it actually worse, seeing how something with such potential was just dumped | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | i think it's more interesting to see the impact that happened on non-android world when nokia dropped their big $$$ to a lot of existing subcontractors | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | as well as technologies | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | GTK+->Qt switch really wounded GTK+ and surrounding tech | 19:40 |
| M4rtinK | was Nokia investing into GTK that much ? | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | remember how it was, nokia motivated people and open source projects to start companies | 19:42 |
| M4rtinK | it kinda always felt like a couple of GNOME people working on it since like forever | 19:42 |
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| Stskeeps | stuff like clutter, tracker, gtk+, etc | 19:42 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, clutter really feels kinda dumped | 19:42 |
| M4rtinK | don't really know about anyone really using it other than the Gnome Shell Mutter compositor | 19:43 |
| M4rtinK | these days | 19:43 |
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| Stskeeps | plus impact on qt, too, naturally | 19:44 |
| M4rtinK | was kinda nice though, but still not as good as QtQuick | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | at least we try to advance it with the time we have | 19:44 |
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| Stskeeps | now it's IVI dumping money into non-android | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:45 |
| zippo | not that i know of... mainly worked with qt back then. qtquick and qml was just starting out back then. mainly worked with the qt/js bridge back then | 19:45 |
| M4rtinK | well, there is still some MeeGo offspring going on in the Tizen IVI IIRC | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | of course | 19:46 |
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| M4rtinK | interesting situation in BlackBerry with their "almost QML" Cascades | 19:47 |
| M4rtinK | and how/if they will handle the transition to Qt 5 | 19:47 |
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| zippo | haven't been involved with qt so much since then. just starting out again now since jolla.... | 19:49 |
| coderus | how to get root access in SDK Emulator terminal? | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | devel-su? | 19:50 |
| coderus | no devel-su in emulato | 19:51 |
| coderus | there is su only but password seems to be unset | 19:51 |
| coderus | should i hack root password myself and there is no sulution? :D | 19:51 |
| zippo | you can set the password yourself, yes | 19:52 |
| coderus | i can set nemo password | 19:52 |
| coderus | not root :) | 19:52 |
| zippo | oh yeah, that's right... | 19:52 |
| locusf | I remember there is a root only ssh key in the sdk, just don't remember where it wwas | 19:52 |
| tbr | try sudo or su | 19:52 |
| tbr | one of them gets you root without password | 19:52 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, there's a root ssh key too afaik | 19:52 |
| tbr | also that | 19:53 |
| coderus | ssh -p 2223 -i ~/SailfishOS/vmshare/ssh/private_keys/SailfishOS_Emulator/root root@localhost | 19:53 |
| tbr | it's the same as the nemo key | 19:53 |
| coderus | thanks tbr =) | 19:53 |
| coderus | and locusf | 19:53 |
| tbr | np | 19:53 |
| locusf | np :) | 19:53 |
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| coderus | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26659227/jolla/ambience-sailfish-0.0.1-1.armv7hl.rpm | 20:29 |
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| coderus | Sailfish ambiance taken from emulator device | 20:29 |
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| tortoisedoc | gday | 20:40 |
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| tortoisedoc | say I have a service app | 20:47 |
| tortoisedoc | and I would like to open a maintenance panel when clicking on the respective home screen button | 20:47 |
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| tortoisedoc | dbus is ofc the way to go | 20:47 |
| tortoisedoc | but does sailfishos yet implement something like the MApplicationService interfaces that N9 did? | 20:48 |
| tortoisedoc | you would think mapplicationservice is in mlite5 | 20:49 |
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| tbr | tortoisedoc: given that they don't allow things with background processes in store, probably no | 20:54 |
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| tortoisedoc | tbr: say what? | 20:55 |
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| tortoisedoc | no services allowed? | 20:55 |
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| tbr | tortoisedoc: that was my understanding | 20:57 |
| tortoisedoc | tbr : it does not say so in the faq | 20:57 |
| tbr | ok, maybe I'm wrong | 20:57 |
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| tortoisedoc | (at least searching for background in the faq gives nothing :P ) | 20:58 |
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| tortoisedoc | tbr: perhaps not background processes, but services? | 20:58 |
| Yaniel | daemons? | 20:59 |
| tortoisedoc | yaniel : daemons, yes (damn me and my crappy windows language) | 21:00 |
| Yaniel | maybe in the future | 21:03 |
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| tortoisedoc | crap | 21:04 |
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| tortoisedoc | no daemons in harbour? :/ | 21:04 |
| sardini | only angel | 21:04 |
| tortoisedoc | sardini : haha | 21:05 |
| tortoisedoc | weird, i thought the phone was meant to be open? | 21:05 |
| Yaniel | harbour != your phone | 21:06 |
| Yaniel | you can install anything you want on your phone | 21:06 |
| tortoisedoc | hmm harbour == only official place of dist of sailfishos apps? | 21:07 |
| Yaniel | yes | 21:07 |
| tortoisedoc | so yes, somehow harbour == your jphone? :) | 21:07 |
| Yaniel | well there is warehouse | 21:07 |
| Yaniel | which is not official but well known | 21:07 |
| tortoisedoc | (in terms of visibility= | 21:07 |
| tortoisedoc | ) | 21:07 |
| tortoisedoc | i assume this policy is due to the early nature of the sw stack? | 21:09 |
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| Yaniel | I think so | 21:11 |
| Yaniel | that is also why the list of allowed libraries is so short | 21:11 |
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