Friday, 2014-02-28

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AndChat175104Hello?00:55
Ailehi00:56
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AndChat175104Hey quick question, when do you all think a build for the Nexus 5 will become available? I don't care if it's full on Alpha, I'd love to try it00:56
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sledges_AndChat175104: it will become available only after nexus 4 build becomes available ;)01:18
sledges_nite!o/01:18
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AndChat175104So not for awhile :/01:23
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sledges_depends ;)01:27
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sledges_wait and see01:27
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noobishIs there anything I could do to help develop/maintain nexos 5 build? I found a nexus 4 wiki page.01:27
noobisherr, nexus, w/e01:27
noobishhardware arrives next mon01:27
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sledges_now we are recruiting early adopters of nexus401:29
noobishyes but the team is officially supporting nexus 4 innit? I'm trying to go beyond official support, to help out01:30
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sledges_thank you very much, but early adopters will be those helping out polishing n401:31
sledges_for all other phones there will be instructions release on how to make your own port01:32
sledges_that's when you come in01:32
noobishk01:32
Oler_42Hello01:32
sledges_so, keep checking official channels for more information01:32
sledges_Oler_42: ciao :)01:32
Oler_42Ciao :)01:33
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Oler_42Come procede lo sviluppo?01:33
sledges_non si dorma bene? :P01:33
Oler_42Io ho nuove domande: O01:33
sledges_perfetto, ho appena fatto ancora un PR su git01:34
sledges_e` ora di dormir ;)01:34
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sledges_lascia su pm, le lego domani >.<01:34
Oler_42Eh ho il sonno difficile01:34
Oler_42XD01:34
Oler_42Ok01:34
sledges_night'all!01:35
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Betty23 Here some videos. I hope you like them! http://bit.do/my_videos6902:04
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natoriousHow would one sign up to be an early adopter?03:33
avivbyotalk to sledges03:42
avivbyotype "/pm sledges hi" without the ""03:43
natoriousty03:43
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Adrianna28 Here some videos. I hope you like them! http://bit.do/my_videos6904:03
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Isabella25 You can find funny videos here. http://bit.do/my_videos6906:03
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Armadillomorning07:16
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tbrmoaning07:31
kengumoan to you too07:31
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stephgmoaning all round07:55
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Acceidea: TOH that makes your phone moan when touched08:05
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noobishmoans more on a pressure sensitive screen?08:06
tbrso just a big capacitive surface with cut-outs for the antennas?08:06
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Francesca28 Here some videos. I hope you like them! http://bit.do/my_videos6908:07
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noobishor how about it moans when you dock a cord inot it08:07
noobishinto08:07
Accetbr: yes, it could have some less moany uses too08:07
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Accecontrolling games with fingers behind the screen, leaving all space for the game08:08
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tbrthat would be a capacitive touchpad though08:10
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Accehmm, yes.. should be multitouch to be usefull08:12
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elcasethi09:03
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elcasetI asked a search engine if Sailfish OS uses KDE Plasma Active, & I didn't find an answer.09:04
Stskeepsit doesn't09:04
jussiwb from MWC Stskeeps09:05
elcasetStskeeps: thanks.  good to know.09:05
Stskeepsit does use a number of KDE technologies though09:05
Stskeepslike kcalcore09:05
Stskeepsjussi: still not 100% home09:05
elcasetaha09:05
jussisledges_: oh?09:05
jussierr09:05
jussiStskeeps: ^^09:06
jussisilly tab complete09:06
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celeron55oh hell, i give up; how do i make a page in QML that has a header, a text field and then a scrollable list of items filling the rest of the page?09:17
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celeron55here is a random bunch of stuff that i have tried: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7009417/09:17
celeron55it doesn't work unless i specify an exact height for the SilicaListView which is obviously bad09:18
Nicd-I like your list contents09:18
celeron55the list probably emerged from the fact that i haven't eaten yet09:18
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Juubathat started my stomach sounds aswell!09:19
Juuba*grumble*09:19
Nicd-oh damn, me too09:19
Nicd-now look what you did09:19
celeron55i give everyone the permission to eat once you have solved this issue!09:19
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Acceceleron55: clip: true?09:19
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Accethen enable your top and bottom anchors for the listview09:20
celeron55what does clip do09:21
celeron55and... for what09:21
Acceit allows content to be outside the parent component09:21
Accekeep these: anchors.top:  crane_name.bottom //anchors.bottom: page.bottom09:21
Acceand add clip: true09:21
celeron55now i don't see the list at all anymore09:22
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Accethat's weird, what do you see then09:24
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Acceconsole.log your listviews contentHeight too09:24
Accenow, to the lunchmobil!09:25
celeron55it ends up being 400 when i don't set it to anything09:29
celeron55it seems clip's default value is false which is maybe what you intended with clip: true09:30
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celeron55but i still only see the first item09:30
celeron55only if i manually set the height to 400, i can see all the four items09:31
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Accedid you enable your bottom anchor?09:33
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celeron55yes09:34
Dev-auxStill searching the Nexus4-Image09:34
celeron55also the list can't apparently be scrolled at all if i add so many items that they don't fit on the screen09:34
Nicd-Dev-aux: ask sledges_ if you want to be an early adopter. can't remember if it was nexus 4 or some other nexus though09:35
tbrDev-aux: there is no public image at the moment09:36
tbryes it's nexus409:36
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Acceceleron55: clip: true should fix that exactly09:39
Acceyou could scrap the anchors and use a column09:44
celeron55well there is a column09:44
celeron55it just doesn't do what it should09:44
celeron55seriously, run that stuff in an emulator and be amazed how randomly it behaves09:44
celeron55i'm trying to next do something along the lines of making the whole page scroll instead of part of it09:45
celeron55it seems many apps manage to do that at least09:45
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Dev-auxNicd-: tbr: thx for the infos :)09:47
Dev-auxWould be cool to be a tester for this image :)09:47
tbrDev-aux: talk to sledges_, be prepared to do actual work.09:49
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Natalia22 Here some videos. I hope you like them! http://bit.do/my_videos6910:03
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Nicd-I tried to msg bit.do to delete that link but they've done nothing :/10:05
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FireFly:(10:06
tbrcould be added as an auto-kill pattern to the ircd settings by freenode staff, if they can be bothered10:07
kengutry with twitter, https://twitter.com/rsiqueira10:09
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Acceceleron55: ok I didn't notice you had a column, then remove the top and bottom anchors10:12
Accesince you have anchor.top inside a column, it won't work10:12
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Acceon another note, it would be better to remove the SilicaFlickable altogether, using SilicaListview as parent component and using it's header: property10:13
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ZenetyDidn't expect this high amount of people on the sailfishos irc.10:17
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kenguZenety: how high?10:19
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ZenetyMeant the amount ^^10:20
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kenguyes. i know10:21
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Acceis there some alternative to wget on jolla10:22
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Dotticurl?10:22
Armadillocurl10:22
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Acceah, thanks10:23
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kengumaybe send an email to rodrigo and ask him to stop spamming10:27
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kengumaybe bit.do is just a front for his spamming business10:27
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Acceceleron55: working example: http://pastebin.com/gFYS9zq410:29
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celeron55Acce: nice, i'll go with this10:34
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celeron55how can i add padding or margin to things?11:02
celeron55ah, all that stuff is in "anchors"11:03
Acceceleron55: yep, anchors work and sometimes just putting x: padding works too11:04
celeron55why am i not surprised that this doesn't do anything at all once again11:04
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Accewell, what'd you write?11:05
celeron55http://pastebin.com/XRWxPbjZ11:05
celeron55(the Row does nothing, but anyway)11:06
celeron55the label goes right to the top left corner of the item11:06
celeron55i want it to be vertically at the middle of the item, padded from the left side11:06
Accewhat if you give the Row a width?11:06
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cos-ok customer care just tells to remove battery for 10 mins11:07
Acceor just say, anchors.fill: parent in the Row11:08
celeron55Acce: nothing changes if i put, say, width: listitem.width, height: listitem.height for the Row11:08
Accethen, for the label, add anchors.verticalCenter: parent.verticalCenter11:08
celeron55okay that centered it vertically to them11:09
celeron55is there some kind of debug theme or something for this?11:09
celeron55would be like 1000000 times easier11:09
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Acceonly the console.log messages11:09
Accethe debugger will come in future sdk release11:09
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Acceor what do you mean by debug theme?11:10
celeron55anyway, first lesson: apparently you should practically always put fill: parent in things, and only do something else if you specifically have to11:10
celeron55Acce: something that colors all margins and paddings and backgrounds of elements with a different color or something11:11
Acceceleron55: I haven't heard of such, though it would be useful11:11
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Acceit's not really fill you have to use, you could have just said width: and height: explicitly11:13
celeron55https://gist.github.com/celeron55/ee88484cc941ac5fbd5d11:13
celeron55so, then, making the label not stick directly to the left side of the screen11:14
celeron55the anchors.horizontalCenter: parent.horizontalCenter line works but i don't want to do what it does, and the other commented lines do nothing11:14
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Acceceleron55: anchors.left: parent.left; anchors.margins: Theme.paddingLarge11:15
Acceor leaving all that, just say x: Theme.paddingLarge11:15
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Accethe x property is used in a number of silica reference examples, so it shouldn't be bad11:16
celeron55the x: thing didn't work11:16
celeron55but the first thing does work11:17
Acceok, x probably didn't work because it's inside a Row11:17
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Accedo you actually use that Row for something?11:17
celeron55not really i guess; just poking around with stuff11:18
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celeron55the x indeed works without the Row11:18
Acceok, I think Row doesn't like anchors left, right, etc much11:18
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Accejust as Column doesn't like top, bottom etc11:18
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celeron55now, i need to make a websocket connection to a server11:27
celeron55i assume this works and is the best way to do it: https://gitorious.org/qtwebsocket/qtwebsocket/source/75f9105977502b5ec7ae405820b112c7c576b10a:11:27
Accesorry, that goes out of my knowledge. I only know that if it uses QtWebkit or QWidgets, it's not (at least officially) supported11:28
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celeron55https://gitorious.org/qtwebsocket/qtwebsocket/source/75f9105977502b5ec7ae405820b112c7c576b10a:QtWebsocket/QtWebsocket.pro11:31
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celeron55it only has QT += network and QT -= gui11:31
celeron55which probably means it's good11:32
Accehmm yes, sounds good11:33
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m4g0ghi11:48
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m4g0gwho can give me an archive with jolla-gallery sources because I haven't cabel for my jolla here11:48
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m4g0ganybody, pls =)11:56
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Juubawhoa, that was Fast, Optima repair shop already sent it back .. my Jolla from Warranty repair11:59
JuubaSIM card reader swapped, fixed the issue11:59
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Juubapressing the back cover around the location where the SIM is used to disconnect the SIM and either reboot the phone or request the PIN code12:00
Juubano more.12:00
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Juubathink it was Wednesday when i sent it to repair, today it was back to me12:01
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Sandy28 Here some videos. I hope you like them! http://bit.do/my_videos6912:04
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jake9xxguess we're popular in freenode stats ; otherwise they would not bother to spam on our # ?12:07
JuubaWhii, my ignore works12:08
tbrthe channel is not +s/+p12:08
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jake9xxJuuba: I had it on #jollamobile not here :D will apply here too12:23
Juubaignore all from..12:23
JuubaI dont have any channel specified12:24
Juubaused Lumia820 in the mean time for 3 days... somehow it felt... bland12:24
Juubanot bad phone, but just didnt feel as good12:25
Juubaas the Jolla12:25
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jake9xxit has that msft appeal12:25
Juubadoes v. 1.0 Sailfish support 4G?   How 'bout MMS?12:26
Armadillonobody knows12:28
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pp_those that do aren't talking :-)12:31
jake9xxrelease note of update4 is on the way as soon we finish testing12:33
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ZenetyWill there ever be a source that people can compile themselves for their phone? Or will it be made by Jolla themselves?12:42
tbrZenety: you can build most of it yourself. there are some packages that are closed.12:43
tbrZenety: if you want to know more, then look at how nemo-mobile works and how you build images of that12:44
tbrfrom there it's a small step to sailfish12:44
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ZenetyYeah, a read alot about that. Got an N900 myself and I have tried to build it. Just didn't have the time.12:45
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ZenetyMir is a closed source right?12:45
tbrsailfish does not use mir12:46
ZenetyOh it doesn't?12:46
tbrmir is ubuntu12:46
tbrsailfish uses wayland and a qt compositor12:46
ZenetyAh I see, just googled it indeed. I need to do more reading :)12:47
ZenetyJust excited about the fact that I can replace Android on my Nexus412:47
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cos-isn't .vault available via mtp?12:56
cos-i'd like to copy my backup to pc12:57
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Juubacos-: tar it, then copy it to pc13:05
Juubaworked for me13:05
Juubaor sftp?13:06
Juubabut i have windows, so .tgz is better, saves permission etc, i belive13:06
cos-yep, found https://together.jolla.com/question/53/how-user-can-take-backups-out-of-device/13:07
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cos-i think i'll try to reset the device to get it back in order13:11
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m4g0gguys13:12
m4g0ghelp me, pls13:12
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m4g0gwho can give me an archive with qml files of jolla-gallery13:13
Armadilloas my Fedora don't wants to mount my Jolla I can't help you, sorry13:13
cos-Armadillo: mtp serves only ~ anyways13:14
pp_m4g0g: just grab the rpm?13:15
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m4g0ggive me an rpm?13:15
pp_lessee13:15
Juubanow my jolla+googlemaps works, GPS is detected13:15
cos-isn't gallery oss?13:15
Juubadunno what the issue was earlier...13:15
pp_<location href="non-oss/armv7hl/jolla-gallery-0.1.38-10.30.1.jolla.armv7hl.rpm"/>13:15
pp_->13:15
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pp_hmn, non-oss was somewhere else13:16
pp_try this: https://dvvwui2qyedk6.cloudfront.net/releases/1.0.3.8/jolla/armv7hl/non-oss/armv7hl/jolla-gallery-0.1.38-10.30.1.jolla.armv7hl.rpm13:17
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VDVsxm4g0g, why you need the rpm ?13:20
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m4g0gVDVsx: I need sources because I want to add to my application share menu13:24
m4g0gbut there is no any info/docs/etc13:24
VDVsxm4g0g, well, those apis are not published yet so expect future breakage13:26
m4g0gVDVsx: do you have any inside info or you only thinks so?13:28
VDVsxm4g0g, you can check the discussions in sailfishos-devel mailinglist, sharing, transfer-ui, settings and all of those are not published yet because they are not final, maybe few things will change, but no guarantees13:30
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Armadillocos- what do you mean with "serves only"?13:34
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cos-Armadillo: at least i see only ~ on the mtp and can't get to root dir13:35
Armadillowell13:35
Armadillothat's much more than I can see ;)13:35
cos-i use gmtp on ubuntu.. i suppose gnome's mtp is broken13:35
Armadilloat the moment the Jolla isn't recognized as a file system device at all at my Fedora 2013:36
Armadilloon another Fedora 20 the listing works fine13:36
cos-or whatever fuse lib it uses13:36
Armadillono errors in the logs, so I have no clue what's going wrong13:36
cos-which desktop?13:36
Armadillognome313:36
cos-probably the same code that cinnamon uses13:37
Armadillosome kernel versions ago the device has been recognized, but i got an error when I wanted to browse the folders13:37
cos-the userspace lib is broken13:37
cos-different implementations (such as gmtp) work13:37
cos-or perhaps jolla's mtp is broken, i don't know.13:38
m4g0ggnome users should suffer13:38
m4g0g=13:38
m4g0g=)13:38
cos-should cinnamon users?13:38
Armadillowell I don't know what's going wrong, but I admimt I didn't spent much time on this13:39
Armadilloso I'm dealing with mails to share the data with my Fedora desktop atm13:39
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celeron55it would be good if it was possible to alt+tab out of the emulator13:52
celeron55or, well, the virtual sailfishos-running machine (it's not emulating anything anyway)13:52
celeron55it's virtualbox so it expects that something like losedows is running in it but in this case that isn't the case and sailfish never does anything with alt+tab13:53
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goroborothp: ping13:54
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Wntceleron55: try disabling the "Auto Capture Keyboard" feature of VirtualBox14:00
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Wntor set the left Alt as your Host Key, then to Alt Tab out from the VM hit Alt once and then do the normal Alt + Tab14:01
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Holly24 You can find funny videos here. http://bit.do/my_videos6914:04
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celeron55Wnt: but i use other VMs too, there probably isn't a non-global option for that14:08
celeron55well, that actuall applies to any solution to this14:09
celeron55actually*14:09
celeron55disabling auto capture keyboard does work, kind of14:10
celeron55in that case the emulator writes a ? into text field when pressing alt before tab though14:11
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celeron55but ???????? in the main text field of an app is less annoying than unable to alt+tab!14:11
Wntceleron55: yeah14:11
Wntand if you have a Jolla device you can deploy straight to the phone and not use the VM at all :)14:12
celeron55well it's handier to not drag all the devices around for development (i use a laptop on a kitchen desk right now)14:13
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Armadilloiis there a how to, to get the direct deployment to Jolla working?14:14
m4g0gdevelopers. I have project with model and view. I want to store data on disk between starts. I don't want to move model from qml to cpp. Is it normal to send data from qml to c++, store it and on next start restore from disk, send from c++ to qml and load in qml. Or I should move model to c++ and do this stuff there?14:14
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WntArmadillo: yes, see https://sailfishos.org/develop-firstapp-article.html section "Create a connection to Mer ARM device"14:14
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Armadillothank you14:15
ArmadilloI already googled for this and found nothing :)14:16
WntArmadillo: found the solution from the second result of https://www.google.com/search?q=jolla+deploy+sailfish ;)14:17
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Armadilloprobably I used the wrong search terms14:18
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celeron55is it possible to use c++11?14:19
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thpgoroboro: pong14:19
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goroborothp: awesome... I just wanted to ask you a few questions about pyotherside14:20
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goroborofirst... on your pages it says that pyotherside made it into the sailfishos repo... but I couldn't install it without adding your repo on mer project14:21
goroborothen... after I did that... I found that I only had pyotherside 1.014:21
celeron55the sdk seems to be using gcc 4.6 which does supports many c++11 features... i particularly like <functional>14:22
goroborodoes that make sense to you?14:22
goroboroI think the repo I added was this: http://repo.merproject.org/obs/mer-python3/latest_armv7hl/mer-python3.repo14:24
kaltsiceleron55: yes it's using gcc 4.6.. Mer is moving to gcc 4.8 and it will/can eventually end up in sailfish too, but not in the immediate near future14:24
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goroboroI have an app on Warehouse that uses pyotherside and I want to make sure that users don't have an issue installing or anything14:25
goroboroI need to do a lot of code improvement, but it sort of works reasonably well for me14:26
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celeron55looks like c++11 works simply by using CONFIG += c++1114:28
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celeron55(for the parts that gcc 4.6 has, of course)14:28
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m4g0gWhere I should store data for my application?14:36
m4g0g> Data directory ($XDG_DATA_HOME/<HARBOUR_APP_NAME>): Used to store user-generated data, application-generated data and everything that doesn't fall under the "config" category. Clearing the data directory should remove user data. - this is  from harbour faq14:37
m4g0gbut I don't understand what I should specify in c++/qml code for this path for QSettings?14:38
suym4g0g: for QSettings that's not the path.14:38
AcceQSettings is for config14:39
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suym4g0g: there was an xdg helper and page with documentation by thp, but I can't find it right now... so many different projects in github :/14:39
m4g0gI wnat to store data between starts. I will use QSettings for this because it is the easyest way14:39
Accehave a look at QStandardPaths, or StandardPath in sailfish reference14:40
Accewell yes, QSettings works nicely if you want to avoid SQL14:40
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Acceso, have a look at the QSettings document on qt-project14:41
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Acceand then read the standardpaths stuff14:41
suym4g0g: https://github.com/sailfish-sdk/xdg-helper/blob/master/README.qt5 that was it14:41
m4g0gI am afraid of storing default QSettings in .config directory14:41
AcceQSettings has some constructor, for which you can give direct path14:42
AcceI don't remember how to use it, but read the docs14:42
Acceit's out there14:43
m4g0gI know14:43
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N-Migoroboro: interested also if you get an answer, I'm playing with pyotherside and I'm not sure app will work on a phone with only official repos14:47
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N-Migoroboro: did you manage to package you app cleanly ? I can't find how to do it with Sailfish SDK. There's a spec file that seems to be generated by a yaml file, but my python scripts are not included in built package14:50
thpgoroboro: the gpodder repo has a newer version of pyotherside, the next sfos update will likely also include a newer version14:51
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thpceleron55: functional and lambdas should be supported in gcc 4.6 to some degree14:52
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suyanyone knows what's done to make pkcon able to install stuff as user nemo? could have to do with policykit, or old boring unix permissions?14:52
Accesuy: it works for me14:53
Acceor is there some fakeroot thing inside pkcon?14:53
thpsuy: /var/lib/polkit-1/localauthority/50-local.d/75-store-client-pkgkit-issues-workaround.pkla makes it work14:53
thpN-Mi: which template are you using? or how do you package your app?14:54
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N-Mithp: I started from a "Sailfish OS QTquick application", I couldn't find which template to use for a Python/Pyotherside project14:56
thpyeah, there's no python app template.. yet! ;)14:57
leszekN-Mi: as far as I know the re is no python template yet14:57
thpN-Mi: the easiest is probably to just put your python files into the qml folder, then they will be installed with the qml files14:57
thpN-Mi: the other method would be doing some modifications to the .pro file (add python files to INSTALLS variable) and the .spec/.yaml file (add installed python file paths, so rpm knows to expect those files there14:58
suythp: excellent, thank you. I think I'll do something similar for my embedded project.14:58
N-Mithp: I tried modifying the .spec/.yaml files, but didn't manage to do it properly14:59
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thpsuy: ideally you would have a polkit agent that verifies it in some way.15:00
N-Mithp: to move my python files into qml directory, I guess I need to do it by hand ? I don't see how to do it from QTcreator15:00
thpN-Mi: yeah, just open the project folder with a file manager and move it over :)15:00
N-Mijust rename, but no 'move' command, and drag&drop doesn't work15:00
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suythp: in my case I just want to upgrade a package when somebody plugs a USB stick. Is a temporary hack for making a client happy, but thanks for the hint. :)  I'm quite new to polkit stuff15:01
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N-Mithp: it's the first time since a loooooooooong time ago that I try to use this kind of IDE, now I understand why I prefer coding using the old-school way (emacs + terminal)15:03
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thpN-Mi: well, in that case.. you can ssh into the SDK vm and just "mb2 build" the RPM if you have everything configured. there's no need to use the IDE15:12
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N-Mithp: thanks, I'll try this15:14
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celeron55has someone made some kind of usable and reusable file picker?15:17
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celeron55i need one for my application15:17
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celeron55it looks like it has to use a C++ component for basic file system access but i guess it can be quite slim15:19
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stemidanyone know anything about importing from iphone/icloud to the jolla?15:55
stemidcontacts15:55
stemidperhaps calendar15:55
stemidif possible15:55
Yanieldo you have a mac at hand?15:59
stemidyes I have the macintoshâ„¢15:59
Yanielyou can export contacts from its address book app15:59
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stemidand this format is readable?15:59
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Yanielselect all contacts and export as vcard15:59
stemidahh vcard, awesome, thanks!16:00
Yanielmove the file to the phone by whatever means you like and open it16:00
Yanielit should show "From file" in settings->apps->people->import contacts16:01
stemidyes it worked great, I downloaded the file over bluetooth and ran it from transfers.16:01
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Judy27 Here some videos. I hope you like them! http://bit.do/my_videos6916:03
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Zuccasledges: ? You were talking about Sailfish on Nexus 7?16:06
sledgesZucca: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxWd20JfcU0&t=0m48s16:08
sledgesand https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris16:08
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Zuccasledges: Ok. Thanks. :)16:10
Armadillohmmm16:10
Armadillomy app got rejected because I'm using org.nemomobile.notifications16:11
AcceArmadillo: put your qml files in .qrc to bypass..16:11
Armadillois this not checked by the validator?16:13
sledgesZucca: np :)16:13
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goroborothp: thanks16:15
goroboroN-Mi: yep... I did what thp said... I just put python files into the qml folder16:15
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N-Migormio: I'll do that, then16:17
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ArmadilloAcce is there that I have to do, than just adding it to the resource file?16:25
Armadillo+more16:25
AcceI don't think so, the qrc file is combined into the binary16:26
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Acceso the harbour script just doesn't check it16:26
Accesee https://github.com/communi/communi-sailfish for reference16:26
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Armadilloyes I'm already there16:27
avivbyoSomeone knows if i can connect the sailfish emulator to the internet?16:27
avivbyoI created an app that require internet16:28
Acceavivbyo: yes, if you have internet connection while starting it16:28
avivbyoI have16:28
Accethen it should work16:28
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Acceany errors?16:28
avivbyoIt isn;t lol16:28
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avivbyoim using a wired connecion16:29
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avivbyofor example , i try clicking the "Refresh repos" at the developer menu , but it fails16:30
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woernsnhey guys. i would love to try the N4 port. where do i have to put all my money to? :P16:36
Yanielif you have a N4, pm a sailor16:36
woernsnokay, thx :)16:37
tbrspecifically sledges16:38
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tbrand be prepared to help out and work on improving the image16:38
woernsnokay. then i was right so far.. he is just afk, i think :)16:38
woernsni would love to help developing..16:38
avivbyosomeone already got the image?16:38
Yanielno idea16:39
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Lesicnik1I have a question about the N4 port16:39
Lesicnik1How is it flashed to the device?16:40
Yaniellike cyanogenmod16:40
avivbyoYep16:40
Lesicnik1If it's done via the recovery, could you potentialy use MultiROM to have it alongside an Android ROM?16:40
avivbyoSledges demonstrate it16:40
Yanieltechnically it is pretty much the same as cm anyway16:40
avivbyoor like any other ROM actually16:40
Yanielyep16:40
Lesicnik1Alright, thanks16:40
Yanielbut I think cm is closest because of drivers16:41
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avivbyoIt's pretty popular for porting16:41
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Armadillohm, can't get it working :/16:41
avivbyoArmadillo what is it?16:42
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tbrLesicnik1: probably, although you might need to do some legwork, no idea how those 'multi' things work on the nexus416:42
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Lesicnik1 Looked into how MultiROM works and saw that it needs something patched in the kernel16:47
Lesicnik1http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-4/orig-development/kexec-hardboot-patch-t2472316/post4622395216:47
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avivbyoGosh im trying to make the internet work :X its so hard16:56
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antoniolatianokexec-hardboot-patch is needed only for the primary ROM16:57
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Lesicnik1Alright, so how much work is actually needed as the secondary ROM? Because I noticed that people got FirefoxOS and Ubuntu Touch up and running quite soon after they were released17:03
tbrLesicnik1: you'll have to do many things manually that have been painstakingly automated17:05
tbrlike putting the kernel in the right place17:05
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Lesicnik1Hmm, alright.17:12
Armadilloavivbyo it is the problem to use nemomobile.notifications on a harbour app17:12
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Armadilloit's getting on my nervs that there's no easy way to use notifications for harbour apps, while the system apps use the not allowed notifications...17:21
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celeron55i wonder what would be the best way to sync actively updated stuff from C++ to QML17:25
celeron55in a situation where the user can also switch to a different QML page at any time17:26
celeron55is there some callback for the qml pages where i could attach and detach a listener of some kind?17:27
celeron55i'm not too hopeful of being able to create some property that would completely handle a C++ data model in a good-looking format in an automated way all the way to the screen17:28
AcceArmadillo: it probably will change17:29
Acceapparently they are not all against it, since the IRC client got through17:29
celeron55the data basically is a list that contains items, and each item is either a button or a text that contains links17:29
Acceor maybe they just didn't notice it using the notifications..17:29
celeron55and updates to it (add/remove) are pushed to the client by the server17:30
Armadillothey didn't notice because the irc client usses the qt ressources which are not checked17:30
celeron55(or, well, either a link or a text with multiple links... whatever)17:30
avivbyofinally managed to make internet load , but QT cant connect to MER17:31
Armadilloit's a crazy hack, but I would have to rewrite have of the application to get this working17:31
Armadillothis is horrible...17:31
AcceArmadillo: yes, I know that. but they could have noticed when using it17:31
Accewhy would you need to rewrite it??17:31
avivbyoany ideas how to connect QT to mer?17:31
Accejust place the qml stuff to the qrc and fix the paths17:32
lbt_awayceleron55: in general I'd suggest using properties17:32
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Venemoavivbyo: why would you want QT on Mer?17:33
avivbyomy bad17:33
Acceavivbyo: any error/issue messages?17:33
avivbyoactually17:33
Venemoavivbyo: are you referring to Qt?17:33
lbtVenemo: yeah QuickTime is so old17:33
avivbyoQT does not connect to the emulator17:33
avivbyoso i cant deploy my app17:33
Venemoavivbyo: okay, so let's clear this up. are you talking about QT (QuickTime) or Qt (the toolkit)?17:34
Venemoif you are talking about Qt (the toolkit), please keep in mind that it's spelled with a lowercase t17:35
avivbyoTool KIT17:35
avivbyooh17:35
avivbyodidn't knew17:35
avivbyosorry17:35
Venemoavivbyo: take a look at the logo: http://qt-project.org/images/qt13a/Qt-logo.png17:36
Venemoyou see, the t is lowercase17:36
avivbyoYeah17:36
Venemohow could you not notice?17:36
Acceanyways, does the qtcreator give you any errors?17:36
avivbyoyeah17:36
avivbyoonly one17:36
avivbyo:-1: error: SailfishOS Emulator: Could not connect to SailfishOS Emulator Virtual Machine.17:36
Venemoso, talking about your issue here, which operating system do you use?17:36
avivbyoLuna OS17:36
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Venemoand have you started the virtual machine?17:37
avivbyobased on ubuntu17:37
avivbyoyep17:37
avivbyoand i can connect to the emulator via SSH17:37
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celeron55lbt: if i have a singleton made with qmlRegisterSingletonType(), is it possible to attach properties to it?17:38
celeron55i have found out how to make global properties, but they're kind of messy17:39
Venemohmm17:39
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Venemoavivbyo: did you press the connect button in Qt Creator?17:39
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avivbyowhere he is?17:40
Sail0r2freenode is having issues ...17:40
Sail0r2ggrrr17:40
avivbyoVenom: I haven't17:40
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lbtceleron55: I don't see why not17:41
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celeron55hmm, apparently with Q_PROPERTY17:41
lbtI use qmlRegisterType myself17:41
lbtyes - but don't forget that all signals and slots appear in QML too17:42
lbtso sometimes a property is too much17:42
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celeron55yeah but now i need to show and automatically update data in qml, so if it turns out at all possible, i'll be storing the data in a property17:44
lbt(in fact I don't use properties at all on one of my apps - I just do things like MouseArea { Connections  { onPositionChanged: dice.handlePositionChanged(mouse.x,mouse.y) } }17:44
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celeron55rebuilding some UI based on some event in qml doesn't seem like a fun thing to do17:44
celeron55by hand, that is17:44
Armadillodamn netsplit -.-17:45
lbtyes - that's why I said to use properies :)17:45
lbtbut just noting that signals and slots may also be worth looking at depending on what you're doing17:45
Venemoavivbyo: allrighty17:46
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celeron55is it easily doable to do sorting to data in QML?17:47
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celeron55like, if i expose a QMap<int, Something> as a property, can i show it in descending key order?17:48
celeron55or is making a pre-ordered list a better option17:49
lbtso I'd suggest going to look at the QML list elements and how they work17:49
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avivbyoEven after connecting in the Option menu , it's not connecting17:50
Venemoavivbyo: there is button on the bottom left of Qt Creator (the second from the bottom), can you try that?17:50
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avivbyoVenemo: You mean Stat\Stop SDK?17:51
Venemoyes17:51
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lbtceleron55: http://qmlbook.org/ch06/index.html  (though it does not directly discuss ordering)17:52
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celeron55lbt: okay 8) plenty to read17:53
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lbtI think you'll find what you want to do is almost trivial :)17:54
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lbtdepending on your C++ skills17:54
celeron55well i can describe myself as being a Qt noob, a QML supernoob and a C++ professional17:54
celeron558D17:55
Venemoceleron55: don't worry, Qt is not hard :)17:55
lbtok - you should be fine then - it's just getting the QML model to click17:55
lbtdo look at the Silica samples too17:55
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celeron55well actually i do have some Qt experience; it's just this QML stuff that is actually new to me17:55
lbtthe way to think about it is to make the data model as UI agnostic as possible17:55
lbtand then create a thin UI-view delegate for items and link it to a UI element in QML17:56
celeron55my data model is a bunch of uniquely identified entities that have or don't have various property-ish components17:58
celeron55and the UI will have to decide how to show them based on what components they have17:58
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Mandy20 Here some videos. I hope you like them! http://bit.do/my_videos6918:03
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avivbyoFatal: No spec file found in '/home/mersdk//ambiancechanger-master/rpm/' and couldn't make one from a yaml 20:10:17: The process "/home/aviv/.config/SailfishAlpha3/mer-sdk-tools/MerSDK/SailfishOS-i486-x86/deploy" exited with code 1. Error while building/deploying project ambiancechanger (kit: MerSDK-SailfishOS-i486-x86) When executing step 'Rpm'18:10
avivbyoHELP?18:10
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avivbyothis is just an example it's not the app im really trying to complie and run18:11
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Holly20 Here some videos. I hope you like them! http://bit.do/my_videos6918:14
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avivbyobefore the error18:15
avivbyoFatal: No spec file found in '/home/mersdk//ambiancechanger-master/rpm/' and couldn't make one from a yaml18:15
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MarenzThis guide seems to be only for the N9, is that desired or is it planned to extend it once it works on more phones (or does it already?) http://wiki.maemo.org/Sailfish#Sailfish_Images18:18
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MarenzOr maybe I just undrestood it wrong? I am not really sure whether all or just some of the downloadable resources are needed18:19
MarenzI would love to install it on my fairphone 118:20
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EztranMarenz: yeah, the N9 adaptation's somewhat different to the upcoming ones for Android devices. Likely more info coming soon on those.18:29
MarenzAlright, I guess I just hang on then, thanks :)18:29
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Nightmare__published my first Sailfish app \o/ :D  https://openrepos.net/content/nightmare/tabatimer18:32
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jorbasTabata? neat.18:42
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Nightmare__it's my first app for sailfish and first app with Qt and QML, so i focused on getting used to the tools and libs18:52
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artemmaNightmare__: congrats!19:10
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bentzhi20:03
m4g0ghi20:04
Nekron_hi20:05
bentzare there any news about porting?20:05
Nekron_oh battery runs down20:06
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Yanielbentz: pm sledges to apply for beta access or so20:14
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bentzThanks Yaniel for the reply, but i don't have nexus 4... i just want to know if there are news about this project.20:18
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Yaniel"it happens"20:19
Yanielnexus ports are being worked on, loosely based on cyanogenmod drivers20:20
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slateI want the beta that ran on harmattan-hw20:21
slatewithout wayland20:21
slate:P20:21
Yanielwhy without wayland?20:22
slateBecause the wayland-ports dont work.20:22
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slatecant say that the early betas for N9/N950 worked better though..20:23
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bentzwith n9 there are some hardware licensing issues.20:28
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slatehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7EHEOpaTGU I mean this old..20:31
EztranThat'd be miles out-of-date, though, and wouldn't get updated ever. Why bother?20:33
slateI love to test old betas.20:33
EztranAh, so it's specifically old versions that you're after... cool, I guess.20:34
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slateI like to see what has been developed to which way and what would have been better the way it used to be. etc. :)20:35
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ChimChimHey guys, any news? :)20:42
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SpeedEvilhttp://blog.broadcom.com/chip-design/android-for-all-broadcom-gives-developers-keys-to-the-videocore-kingdom/20:43
SpeedEvilsomeone mentioned?20:43
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SpeedEvilVideo core for all shipping cellular SoCs20:44
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SpeedEvil Aww20:48
SpeedEvilIt's just the video core for those SoCs I think20:49
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mikmahttp://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/629921:04
SpeedEvilyeah.21:05
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SpeedEvil2.5 million SoCs sold, and they toss an existing bit of code ripped from a board support package that's not even the right chip and doesn't support CSI/MIPI reportedly21:06
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m4g0ghi21:45
m4g0gis it possible to store qml objects in js file?21:46
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m4g0gin runtime, of course.21:47
avivbyoIm trying to make an instagram native client for sailfish :)21:47
m4g0gthis is impossible, isn't it?21:49
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celeron55okay, so now i'm stuck trying to expose objects in a QList as a property to QML21:52
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celeron55i have succeeded exposing a QList<QObject*>, but i can't get any properties out of the objects in it using QML21:53
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celeron55so21:59
celeron55https://gist.github.com/celeron55/e68cae944dd7c8bcdd7121:59
celeron55this works ^21:59
celeron55https://gist.github.com/celeron55/be5da1329ccc7fe72bed21:59
celeron55but that only works for the part of listing the correct number of items; i can get no properties from them21:59
celeron55at the bottom in onClicked(), it returns "model.testname undefined", while in the fully QML one it returns "model.testname Foo"22:01
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celeron55i'm again totally out of any clues22:01
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m4g0ghow I can store Object between qml files?22:05
Acceceleron55: try: modelData.testname22:06
Accem4g0g: what do you mean, exactly?22:06
m4g0gAcce: I want to store Object with data which I can edit from 2 qml files22:07
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m4g0gvia qml it is seems impossible22:08
m4g0gas I understand I should use js22:08
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m4g0gbut it doesn't store data between 2 files22:08
celeron55Acce: it works; where is this documented?22:08
Accecan you not create that object in their parents, and give a property QtObject myData to those 2 qml files22:08
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Acceand pass the object you created earlier to them as a property22:09
m4g0gwow22:09
m4g0gI don't know about this type22:09
Acceceleron55: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.8/qdeclarativemodels.html22:09
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Accehmm that was to 4.8, there probably exists the updated docs for qt5 too22:10
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Accem4g0g: it's really useful, qml treats everything as pointers too22:10
m4g0ghmm22:10
m4g0gno QtObject doesn't help22:11
Accewhy not?22:11
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m4g0gbut22:11
m4g0gmay be ur idea22:11
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celeron55Acce: lol, the example code for this is empty in there22:11
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Acceceleron55: here: https://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.1/qtquick/qtquick-modelviewsdata-cppmodels.html22:12
Accethe qt 5.0 docs fail :P22:12
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celeron55that seems to have all of it22:13
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m4g0gAcce: no22:14
Accem4g0g: something like ApplicationWindow { MyObject { id: data } OtherObj { myData: data } ThirdObj { myData: data } is not good?22:14
m4g0gdoesn't help22:14
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celeron55documentation for anything is very hard to find; i wonder if the qt project could do something to it22:14
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Acceceleron55: there's so much stuff, and they've probably lost track about what's been cleaned and what hasn't been..22:14
celeron55or, well, the basic things are easily available, but anything close to advanced seems to be unnecessarily obscure22:14
Acceyes, people always say "read the docs"22:15
m4g0gI got from network big json object. I parse it and get some little objects from this big object. I want to store this big object and I want to have possibility to get some little objects from it22:15
celeron55eg. android has very good docs22:15
Accebut having someone explain the thing to you is often much faster, since the state of the docs is usually horrible22:15
celeron55i found it surprising that it's almost impossibly to get lost in them, while you actually get stuff done22:16
celeron55impossible*22:16
celeron55for qt, you basically get lost by definition 8)22:16
Acceceleron55: really? it's been some years now I did android, but at that time they were as bad as qt docs :(22:16
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celeron55well there are bad parts, but you can always hack your way through and the biggest roadblock seems to be that if you want to support old api versions22:17
Accem4g0g: make another qml file, which stores that big object and has those little objects as properties?22:17
celeron55if you don't, it seems to be pretty smooth22:17
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m4g0gAcce: how I can do this?22:17
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Accem4g0g: the json object is basically a string, right?22:18
Acceuntil you parse it22:18
m4g0gyep22:18
Acceis it enough to store the string for the big json?22:19
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Acceno, wait a second22:19
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m4g0ghttp://bpaste.net/show/2g15OdfVdUUIvfjqcvba/22:20
Accehmm, do you want to avoid using C++?22:20
m4g0gyes22:20
m4g0gwith c++ all will be much easear22:20
m4g0geasyer*22:20
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Accem4g0g: maybe a js file is better after all22:26
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Accelike this: http://pastebin.com/RqnfirhK22:28
Accethen import "myjs.js" as myData22:28
m4g0gas i understand - js  has next feature: qml1: functionJs.addItem(item); qml2: functionJS,getItems(); in qml2 getItems returns 0 items because items will be added from qml122:29
m4g0gwas added*\22:29
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Accem4g0g: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.1/qtqml/qtqml-typesystem-topic.html22:31
Acceit claims that javascript objects are supported22:31
m4g0ghm22:32
Acceso, property var myJSONObject: getObject() or something should work?22:32
m4g0gvery interestin22:32
Accethen make a qml file22:32
Accethat has those var properties you need22:32
Acceand pass a object made from that qml file to the other qml files?22:32
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m4g0gI am trying22:33
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m4g0gAcce: amazing!!!22:36
Accem4g0g: works?22:36
m4g0gyep!22:36
m4g0gPerfect!22:36
Accegreat :)22:36
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worzel666Hey guys, is this the channel where I can ask to be an 'early adopter' of JollaOS?23:10
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sledgesworzel666: yes pm me pls23:10
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M4rtinKfor anyone not yet asleep: modRana has just been published to OpenRepos ! :D https://openrepos.net/content/martink/modrana-023:25
M4rtinK(modRana is a flexible GPS navigation system)23:25
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celeron55hmm, how does one launch the browser to an url23:29
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leszekanyone knows how to scale up webview ? devicepixelsize isn't available anymore and it seems the default rendering is too small23:29
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celeron55leszek: how about <meta name="viewport" content="width=400"> (replace 400 with something suitable)23:32
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leszekceleron55: that would be something for an html site. I was searching something for qml webview to fix it23:33
celeron55so you can't control the content inside the webview?23:34
leszekat least i did not find anything to do this23:34
celeron55this question was asked months ago here actually, i don't remember what the solution was23:35
leszekI guess there is no real solution other then patching qt 5.1 to reenable devicepixelratio. Just like ubuntu did it for their 'qt ubuntu'23:35
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celeron55apparently QDesktopServices::openUrl() works23:44
leszekfunny think even deviceheight and devicewidth changes don't work with webview. I think I will give up on that. Next big project might be getting qmozweb into webcat then. Webkit is just missing too much functionality23:44
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celeron55i hope this is generally acceptable23:45
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