Saturday, 2014-01-18

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coderusfaenil: you can check QApplication::clipboard to null if want06:27
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SiddeGood morning. Localstorage database in qt. Is it saved only for that application and if i remove the application. The database removes as well?07:07
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suyi don't think so07:36
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Siddefound the answer. It's not a sandboxed storage. It's shared with all applications running with the same user07:48
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Siddethe world of qml is not very well documented. Or i've not found the docs yet...07:51
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supaulikaltsi: I did the steps desribed (and re-installed the IDE to clean /home/<username> installation, while actually /home is symlink to /data/home, now it starts compiling ok but the build setup is somehow bad: http://pastebin.com/ecAR55JW07:52
supauliWith ssh on mersdk-box the directory '/home/mersdk/Public/jolla/build-test0-MerSDK_SailfishOS_i486_x86-Debug' exists ok07:53
supauliUh, but if it would be using existing source directory as you mentioned to explanation it should be trying to go /home/src1 directory07:55
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supauliAny ideas where i can find 'SailfishOS/bin/merssh08:07
supauli' source code, googling gives me one repository but i cannot find the file from there  ..08:11
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supaulikaltsi: I got it working by setting mersdk.xml : SharedHome to 'DISABLED'08:21
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AL13Nanyone know if i can just edit qml on the phone someplace and execute that?09:28
supauliI dont see why not09:29
AL13Nis there some kind of qml invoker?09:30
AL13Nqml-exec main.qml or something?09:30
supauliSomething like this: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtquick/qtquick-qmlscene.html09:30
AL13Nooh09:30
AL13Nnice09:30
AL13Nsupauli: i suppose this is only for QtQuick components?09:31
AL13Nno Silica stuff?09:31
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supauliI would say yes also silica stuff, but its only guess -- i am no expert on the subject09:33
supauliTry it out ;)09:33
supauliI am having troubles setting up 'http://thp.io/2011/pyotherside/' on the emulator: doing 'ssu addrepo mer-python3 http://repo.merproject.org/obs/mer-python3/latest_i486/mer-python3.repo' gives me 'Fatal error: File '/repodata/repomd.xml' not found on medium 'http://repo.merproject.org/obs/mer-python3/latest_i486/mer-python3.repo'' -- any hints whats wrong? Googling gave resolution 'broken repo' but that should not09:34
AL13Nperhaps the repo doesn't work with repomd, but something else09:35
AL13Ndid you manually check if that file is on that url?09:36
supauliWell the repo exists, i didnt look for the file. What is this zypper vs. ssu anyway? two package managers (and zypper not found on emulator)09:37
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supaulioh, i got it working after installing zypper and then following the instaructions stated on the site09:40
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supauliAL13N: At least on the emulator the silica example works fine: https://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/sailfish-silica-introduction.html -- with '/usr/lib/qt5/bin/qmlscene silica.qml'09:49
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AL13Non the phone too09:53
AL13N:-)09:53
AL13Nbit odd09:54
AL13Ni tested with the helloworld app09:54
AL13Nbut i got some warnings09:54
AL13NWarning: specifying an object instance for initialPage is sub-optimal - prefer to use a Component09:54
AL13NDeclarativeCoverWindow: You should be calling QQuickWindow::setDefaultAlphaBuffer(true) before creating windows. Failing to do so will result in suboptimal performance.09:54
AL13NDeclarativeCoverWindow: You also won't have cover transparency.09:54
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coderusi missed wlan switch in settings o_O (ported Sailfish on N9)10:01
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jpnurmiwhat could be the problem that i'm not getting the recent sdk build engine update?11:46
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walokraI had to wait a bit until it showed in the SailfishOS mode12:02
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Khertan_theotherStskeeps: ping12:23
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jpnurmiwalokra: i've had it running a lot lately, but no updates are appearing13:08
jpnurmiat the moment the sdk has been up and running for over an hour13:08
jpnurmiyet it says "engine up-to-date"13:08
kaltsijpnurmi: restart it again, If you have visited the 'updates' page before 5 mins elapsed after you started it, it doesn't see the updates :p13:09
jpnurmid'oh :)13:09
kaltsiwell there's a 2 hour timer.. it would see them after that :)13:09
walokra:D13:09
kaltsiI'm trying to make a web interface button to "check for updates now" but it's unnecessarily difficult because of the way the web server is implemented.. but doable13:10
jpnurmibtw, why do i need to open a project to be able to launch the sdk?13:10
kaltsijpnurmi: the "grand idea" behind qt creator is that eventually the mer/sailfish stuff would be part of upstream qtcreator and you could choose to create any kind of a project and other than sailfish projects don't need the sailfish virtual machines13:11
kaltsiyou can also use the virtualbox manager program to start or stop the machines13:12
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jpnurmiyea, it's just a bit unintuitive currently since the "sailfish" tab is enabled but empty and tells you to start sdk from bottom left, but there's nothing until you actually open a project :)13:14
kaltsiyeah..13:14
kaltsiit's "alpha" :)13:14
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John24Hello guys13:15
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kaltsijpnurmi: btw if you already have the 'harbour tools' in the sailfish tab, then you had the updates .. if not, then no updates yet.13:15
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John24I am still trying to find out how can I show user notifications in my app?13:16
Khertanping Stskeeps13:16
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John24is it even possible?13:16
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kaltsiJohn24: sorry can't help.. there's a "receiving notifications" thread on the mailing list, have you seen it, is it relevant for you?13:18
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jpnurmikaltsi: nope, not there. it's the submission checker script that i'm looking for13:18
kaltsijpnurmi: ok.. did restarting the vm help?13:18
John24what I am trying to do it just have a few second popup for user to read13:19
walokraJohn24: if you mean showing some message in your app then just do a rectangle which you show/hide and add a timer to it13:19
jpnurmii set a timer to wait 10 minutes before i touch the sailfishos tab :)13:19
kaltsijpnurmi: it should have refreshed the repos during the 1hr you had it on.. so it's safe to go to the tab and see the updates page there13:20
John24ohh to have pre-made rectangles that are hiden and show them until timer runs out?13:20
kaltsiit runs a repo refresh 5 minuts after starting it up13:20
jpnurmikaltsi: cool, thanks! the update is there now13:20
walokraJohn24: yeah, that's how others do it13:21
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John24OK i shall do that then :) Thanks guys13:21
kaltsijpnurmi: ok, phew :)13:21
Khertan... tired of that sudden reboot ...13:25
walokraJohn24: like this: https://gist.github.com/walokra/849049413:25
Khertan... let s try a backup ... and reset ...13:25
John24brilliant, Thank you walokra13:26
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Khertanwhere are stored backup ?13:52
kaltsiI think it's in $HOME/.vault but I might remember wrong13:53
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AardKhertan: $HOME/.vault. ideally pack it up (tar/zip) on device before moving it off13:54
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baltaHi, I have a problem binding the Silica Switch checked property to a C++ property. I have a Q_PROPERTY with READ, WRITE and NOTIFY set, and if I use this property for Switch.checked in QML the READ method of the property is called as intended and used for the switch state, but if if click on this switch the WRITE method is not called. Is the binding not in both directions? If I add an onCheckedChanged to set the C++ property it is13:55
baltaworking but there is a warning about a binding loop. So that is the correct way to bind a switch checked state to a C++ property?13:55
KhertanAard: yes ... i can't copy them ... that s full of copy error13:57
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KhertanAard: .git in the vault ?13:58
Aardyes13:58
Aardthere's a git repo inside, plus the pictures stored separately13:59
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KhertanAard: i can t copy tgz via mtp, people who have made the choice of mtp should be kicked in the ass14:04
AardKhertan: why not?14:04
Aardyou can copy any file via mtp14:04
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KhertanAard: look like no, that give error only on some file type14:05
Khertantgz, rnd14:05
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Aardwhat is the os you're using?14:05
KhertanAard: debian wheezy14:06
Aarddesktop environment? gnome? kde? or using something like mtpfs14:06
Aard?14:06
Khertangnome/i3 with nautilus14:06
coderusbalta: show code14:07
Aardcomplain to the gnome-developers, it's a bug on their side :p14:08
Aardunder linux using jmtpfs seems to work best14:08
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KhertanAard: got error on windows 7 at office, can't make it working on Ubuntu 13 parent pc, ... hum14:12
KhertanAard: ok i ll try jmtpfs14:12
AardKhertan: do you have details about the win7 error?14:12
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Aardit was very thoroughly tested on newish windows versions14:12
KhertanAard: that s windows ... you know ... errors details are hard to get14:12
KhertanAard: i ll retry wednesday, and try to catch some details14:13
AardKhertan: not harder than on kde or gnome. we had our fair share of fun trying to figure out where their mtp stacks throw up14:13
KhertanAard: that s funny a microsoft protocol on a linux device14:14
Aardit's quite widely used nowadays14:14
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Yanielsomeone said earlier that flac files wouldn't copy over mtp14:14
Yaniel(a week ago or so)14:14
KhertanAard: yep look how many complain about transfer error on Android on forum ... :)14:15
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baltacoderus: I've summarized it here: http://pastebin.com/N7Ghahi114:19
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javispedrooh, mtp.14:27
javispedroKhertan: so, use Samba :)14:27
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javispedroby the way, I suspect that the mtp server on Sailfish (buteo?) can't be kicked into having more than one storage? ($HOME and $SD_CARD?)14:28
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javispedro(and IMHO such mtp server should also be configured to hide dot-files -- too many weird things happen when trying to copy unix-y things over mtp such as symlinks)14:29
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baltacoderus or another qt expert here: have you seen my code and can help me on my problem?15:04
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artemmaIf I have iconId for example, icon-launcher-component-gallery, how do I get the full file path for using in Image15:28
artemma?15:28
artemmaor that's probably for nemomobile channel15:29
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artemmaIt looks like a list of allowed libraries disappeared from https://harbour.jolla.com/faq :/15:42
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artemmawell, transformed into a wordy description. That is probably useful for understanding, but I can't check quickly anymore if this or that library is allowed15:42
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kaltsiartemma: it links to the file now..15:43
artemmahmm, can't see the link..15:43
jpnurmi"You can find a list of the currently allowed libraries in allowed_libraries.conf."15:43
kaltsiunder "shared libraries" heading15:43
artemmajpnurmi kaltsi Thanks!15:44
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artemmait looks like nemo theme daemon is not included, it's a pity15:45
kaltsias far as I understand you can request additional libraries in devel list or together.j.c and those requests are evaluated15:46
artemmawell, I am not 100% sure I really need a theme daemon15:47
artemmaeverything I need is to get path to image from e.g. icon-launcher-component-gallery15:47
artemmaMaybe there's some existing standard allowed way to do it?15:47
artemmaTheme could provide such functionality, but Theme object sources seem to be closed, so can't tell15:48
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coderus Mitakuuluu  project closed until new contacts sync api and WAUTH-2 not resolved. You can use nothing to sync contacts not. Sorry. And say *thankyou* to WhatsApp inc.15:50
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Aardjavispedro: you should follow what's going on on github :p15:52
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qqKdem splits15:52
javispedrohttps://github.com/nemomobile/buteo-mtp/blob/3cad03d2acf727f96ba990bb350bfa8820cc66c4/mts/platform/storage/fsstorageplugin/mtp-fsstorage-conf.xml yeeaah15:53
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javispedrocoderus: this is what happens when one plays cat and mouse15:55
* javispedro knew whatsapp inc was evil15:55
artemmacoderus: it's a pity, whatsapp would be useful15:55
artemmaand it's quite unlikely that they will build sailfish client themselves anyway..15:56
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coderusbalta: sure you need to use onClicked: setting.value = checked15:56
artemmaI remember some news about sailfishapp lib going open source. Can't google it or find it at sailfishos.org Anybody got a link?15:56
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coderusartemma: its in nemomobile github15:57
artemmacoderus: thx15:57
John24does anyone know if it's notmal for xmllistModel to only update on second request?15:57
John24normal15:58
kaltsiartemma: no it's in https://github.com/sailfish-sdk/libsailfishapp15:58
artemmakaltsi: yes! found now, thx15:58
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artemmano, it doesn't look like SailfishApp uses theme icon paths anywhere..15:59
artemmahmm, there should be at least one example of using theme graphics somewhere, rigth?15:59
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* artemma doesn't want to hard code a default theme path. Reimplementing theme daemon functionality is a bit too big too15:59
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Elleoartemma: you mean like "image://theme/icon-m-play" ?16:02
javispedroartemma: maybe the silica components gallery app? (dunno)16:02
artemmaElleo, yes. Trying now, thx16:02
Elleoartemma: you can get a full list of icons by looking in /usr/share/themes/jolla-ambient/meegotouch/icons/ (just remove the file extension from the end)16:03
artemmaElleo: yep, I know where they are located, trying to find some programmatic theme-aware way for getting icons by icon id16:04
kaltsithe component gallery example has some image://theme/ lines at least16:04
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kaltsiyou can open it as a project frm qtcreator's welcome page (examples tab)16:05
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artemmakaltsi: works! Thanks a lot!16:06
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kaltsithe other guys knew what to look for, thanks to javispedro and elleo too :)16:07
artemmathanks to everybody, yes :)16:08
coderusartemma: oh really, you dont everr knew that? :)16:08
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baltacoderus thanks that's working :)16:08
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artemmacoderus: IRC is faster than memory ;)16:11
artemmaactually not sure if I ever used theme icons before. Probably just once or twice some 3-4 years ago16:11
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coderusartemma: sounds fantastic :)16:16
* artemma thinks 5 years from now kids in schools will train google-shmoogle usage skills instad of memory16:17
artemmaseriously, already right now for many-many things it's faster to search than to even try spending a minute remembering16:17
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John24I am so lost now, could someone explain to me why the volume output first time comes backs as unidentified but once the second try shows the value??? code : http://pastebin.com/L4MEgkCt17:07
M4rtinKlooks like some borked lazy evaluation17:08
M4rtinKeq. it gets initialized once first requested, but the first one requesting it does not get it17:08
John24that's my issue, I need to updarte the xml every 1 second17:09
John24and I only get right values on every other request17:09
John24what am I doing wrong?17:09
artemmaHmm, there is Silica's ListItem and BackgoundItem that can be highlighted, and ListView's highlight property. They are different, but for similar purpose, which one do I choose?17:10
artemmaJohn24: I had something similar in the past. Could readyState be DONE when you haven't even started loading code? I.e. DONE for initial zero length document17:10
artemmaloading xml*17:11
John24it could be, not sure how to test17:11
artemmaJohn24: well, check what's inside responseText17:12
artemmathough is status is 200, responseText got to have somethign already..17:12
artemmawell, I would start debugging by examining its contents anyway17:13
John24will try now17:13
John24ok httpReq.responseText is up to date every time BUT only get's a very small portion of the xml17:17
artemmaJohn24: ah!, now i remember!17:18
John24good good17:18
artemmaI think XMLHttpRequest delivers data in chunks17:18
artemmafirst one may or may not contain the whole document17:18
John24ohhh17:18
John24did you overcome this issue?17:19
artemmaI don't remember, however, why and how to check if whole doc is already loaded. When you figure it out, please, ping me17:19
artemmayep I did, but don't remember how17:19
* artemma browsing some old code..17:20
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John24thanks for this artemma I am close to ripping my hair out17:21
artemmaJohn24: maybe you can wait for the model processing end. Here are bits from old code17:21
artemmaif((modelGeneralData.status == XmlListModel.Ready) &&17:21
artemmaonStatusChanged: {17:22
artemma            if((modelGeneralData.status == XmlListModel.Ready) &&17:22
artemma                  (modelGeneralData.xml)17:22
artemmaJohn24: yes, I think that's what I did17:23
John24OK I will try to implement this :) thank you17:24
artemmaI believe there are some docs about XMLHttpRequest loading data in chunks, I don't think I discovered it myself17:24
artemmadon't remember why though17:24
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John24ok testing now17:28
John24hmm I did something wrong and I don't tink it would work for my fucntion well I don't know how to use it properly in my fucntion17:33
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artemmaJohn24: hmm.. I set xml model text whenever XMLHttpRequest is done17:36
artemmaas in odelGeneralData.xml = doc.responseText17:36
artemmaas in modelGeneralData.xml = doc.responseText17:37
artemmabut then I only do useful stuff when model's status is XmlListModel.Ready (and its xml property isn't empty; model is Ready if it contains zero text)17:37
artemmaI am not sure what happens if I load invalid XML in. I guess model just doesn't become Ready then and will become Ready when there are enough chunks for the whole doc loaded17:38
John24i see17:39
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M4rtinKBTW, found another bug in Sailfish:18:18
M4rtinKhttps://together.jolla.com/question/16827/bug-positioning-gives-bogus-numbers-for-horizontalaccuracy-and-verticalaccuracy/18:18
M4rtinKthis is the one from yesterday:18:19
M4rtinKhttps://together.jolla.com/question/16518/bug-if-cover-element-fails-to-load-application-doesnt-exit-when-closed/18:19
M4rtinKhope it helps :)18:19
SiddeM4rtinK: found that yesterday too. Always the same accuracy18:20
M4rtinKSidde: yeah, probably a typo somewhere in the positioning code18:20
M4rtinKso it is probably both either vertical or horizontal accuracy18:21
M4rtinKanyway, reported it so it can be tracked :)18:22
M4rtinKSidde: BTW, any idea how to get satellite count from QML ?18:22
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Siddei can't get any value in positioningmethod either so just accepted all other problems because i thought it might be too early to rely on qtpositioning18:22
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M4rtinKI'm just using the defaults for the time being18:23
SiddeM4rtinK: no. i started exploring the positionsource yesterday18:23
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M4rtinKSidde: looks like they (QtProject) just implemented the bare basics for the QML interface at the moment18:24
M4rtinKSidde: there is not even bearing :)18:24
M4rtinKSidde: had to hack it myself from last two coordinates18:25
SiddeM4rtinK: interested to share that bit of code? the bearing bit?18:25
M4rtinKsure, I'll dig it out18:26
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SiddeM4rtinK: i'm doing a navigational application for my boat. Or i'm planning to do it. I just have to learn everything about qt/qml on the way :D18:27
M4rtinKSidde: https://github.com/M4rtinK/modrana/blob/master/modules/gui_modules/gui_qt5/qml/Location.qml#L2718:27
M4rtinKSidde: interesting! :)18:27
SiddeM4rtinK: thank you :)18:27
M4rtinKSidde: np :)18:27
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M4rtinKSidde: I'm working on a Qt5/Sillica GUI for the modRana flexible navigation system18:28
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SiddeM4rtinK: :)18:28
M4rtinKSidde: it already runs on the N900 with a GTK GUI and on the N9 with a Qt4 one18:28
M4rtinKSidde: so if you have any questions related to location/navigation, I might know something :)18:29
SiddeM4rtinK: i started building the navigational device based on a arduino. But it became to much of a hardware project. So i restarted my project with a jolla instead18:30
M4rtinKSidde: yeah, it really depends what you want to do18:31
M4rtinKSidde: but with all the programmable smartphones today, it should be easier like this :)18:31
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M4rtinKSidde: only downside could be durability and power consumption18:31
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SiddeM4rtinK: that is why i choice a jolla. Because i would easily reuse the code (qt) on a more embedded plattform if I want18:41
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SiddeM4rtinK: i have solar cells on the boat so power consumption is no problem18:42
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M4rtinKSidde: interesting :)18:51
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baltaM4rtink: I've seen the sane GPS problems: https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-January/002797.html18:57
SiddeM4rtinK: answer to your thread: https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-January/002819.html19:01
SiddeThis is expected behaviour. Only a single accuracy figure is given by the19:01
Siddehardware and is used as both the vertical and horizontal accuracy.19:01
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M4rtinKthat's pretty bad :D19:03
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M4rtinKhorizontal & vertical accuracy can be wildly different19:04
M4rtinKespecially vertical accuracy is usually very bad for GPS19:04
baltaif you look at the sailfish-devel mailinglist you can see that there are still a lot of problems using gps in sailfish...19:07
Siddeanyone knows if it uses glonass too?19:07
M4rtinKwell, you can't even submit stuff to Harbour with it :)19:07
StskeepsSidde: it does19:07
baltafor example you get the last position as current position while the hardware is waiting for a fix...19:07
SiddeStskeeps: that is great19:07
M4rtinKSidde: that would be interesting to know19:07
M4rtinKStskeeps: nice! :)19:08
Siddefor us living this far north glonass is much more preferred19:08
M4rtinKthe more sats, the better :)19:08
M4rtinKbalta: well, I would see this as preferable to the N900/N9 behavior19:09
M4rtinKbalta: where it first showed middle of nowhere in the country you were in and then the actual position19:09
M4rtinKbalta: of course as long as you can detect such outdated fix (IIRC should be doable using the timestamp)19:10
baltaI've never hat a N9, coming from Symbian, but it should set the "valid-properties" of the position to false while it is waiting for the fix19:10
baltaand the timestamp is the current one, even if it has not found a fix...19:10
M4rtinKoh, that's not very good19:11
baltaeven worse: while waiting you get a position update with current timestamp every 30 seconds19:11
baltathe only way to detect if a fix is found would be the SateliteInfo, if this would work...19:12
M4rtinKthat reminds me that there doesn't seem to be an easy no fix/2D/3D fix detection19:12
baltaI'm wondering how the gps icon on the lockscreen detects it... ;)19:13
Siddethe system displays a symbol when trying to get a fix19:13
baltait is blinking while waiting19:13
Siddeso it has to be a way to get that info19:13
M4rtinKI've tried altitudeValid == true  -> 3D fix19:13
M4rtinKbut at least indoors it is cycling true/false all the time19:14
baltaaltitudeValid is another "funny" property... it switches between true/false all the time...19:14
M4rtinKyeah, even next to a window19:15
M4rtinKso no reliable 2D/3D fix detection then19:16
M4rtinKyay for Qualcom ! :)19:16
baltashouldn't your boat be every time on 0m? :D the sea-level...19:17
Siddebalta: i'm the one with the boat. So i'm not interested in altitude no19:18
baltaoh sorry, I've mixed that19:19
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Siddeor a failsafe. If -1 call mom19:19
baltathat's a good idea! :D19:20
M4rtinKthat reminds me of a feature request I got for modRana some time ago19:21
M4rtinKanchor alarm19:21
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M4rtinKyou input anchor cable length & press a "I'm anchored here" button19:22
M4rtinKand if you move more than the length(anchor cable) from that spot, anchor.lost alarm will sound :)19:23
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coderusJolla team here?19:39
coderusquestion about legal hacking lipstick binary again.19:42
coderusi made solid patched binary for Nokia N9 fixing homescreen19:42
coderuscan i publish it?19:42
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BearThi guys, anyone of you ever included boost (at least the header only part) in your sailfish apps. is that recommandable?19:53
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coderushow can you use it without libboost?20:02
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leszekhi20:02
coderusbut yes, boost available in sailfish20:02
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coderusleszek: hello?20:03
Aardcoderus: what exactly is the issue on n9?20:03
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coderusAard: jolla lipstick homescreen dont care about non-portrait framebuffer screens20:06
coderusand result in 90 degrees rotated peek gestures and notifications on right side20:06
coderusresult is20:06
Aardcoderus: tried playing with compositor environment variables? it used to work20:07
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coderusw00t said there are no useful environment variables20:07
coderusi asked many peoples before doing hack20:08
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Aardbut homescreen orientation and app orientation is correct?20:09
coderusyes20:10
coderusproblem in lipsttick homescreen only20:10
coderusit thinks qt primary orientation is portrait20:11
coderusybut on n9 its landscape20:11
Aardbut the homescreen itself is correct, just the gesture rotation is off?20:11
coderusgestures and topmost window angle calculation wrong20:12
Siddethat i've seen on a friends n9. You for example close the application by swiping from left to right20:13
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coderusexactly20:13
* Aard probably needs to make time to do an n9 image one day again20:13
coderusPeekFilter.Top on N9 its right side, not top20:13
Aardis there nowadays a collection of community hacks needed to get it working somewhere?20:13
coderusAard: i think martin have all exists hack in images at formeegos20:14
Aardcoderus: I'm mostly interested in documentation of what you need, so I can remove the need for those hacks with future sailfish releases20:14
coderusAard: in case you missed it: https://together.jolla.com/question/12022/patch-for-lipstick-jolla-home-qt5-to-support-any-framebuffer-orientation/20:15
coderusthis is my first dirty qml hacks20:16
coderusi have better code now, but i think it should be enough for you to understand real problem20:16
AardI think I saw that20:17
AardI'm just not yet in the state where I have enough time to collect and act on everything that needs attention for n9, therefore one place that gets updated with all hacks would be useful for me :)20:17
coderusAard: check this: https://github.com/martinbrook/jolla-n950-kickstart20:18
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coderusthere are not many bugs in sailfish itself20:19
coderus99% need to be fixed in current nemo stack20:19
valdur55coderus: nemo have also wrong cover orientation.20:20
Aardurgh. that plymouth hack is still around?20:21
Aardn9/sailfish should be in 32bpp, so should not be required20:21
coderusvaldur55: after getting sailfish on my n9 nemo itself looks less pretty for me :)20:22
valdur55coderus: same here...20:23
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coderusi know thre are "Glacier" under developing, but everybody using nemo as base for own oses :D20:25
coderusos'es :D20:25
coderusi see no future for plain nemo20:25
coderuswho will use it and develop native apps?20:25
valdur55coderus: mer is base20:27
coderusim talking about nemo-mw20:27
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coderusabout nemomobile community20:28
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coderusbut nvm, you can have own point of view20:28
coderusand my depression may cause this ideas :)20:29
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artemmacoderus: IMHO, nemo would be a perfect start for the likes of desperate HTC if suddenly they see that Jolla got momentum20:33
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M4rtinKI think it really depends both on the Nemo community - if they can get the Glacier stuff done according to specs20:37
M4rtinKand also on Jolla open source plans20:37
BearTcoderus: sry, was afk. actually i just needed boost::scope_exit which is really header only iirc20:38
artemmayou know, nemo+glacier+glacier apps is basically a clone of Jolla company, but done by community, for free and for everybody to clone :)20:38
artemmathat is software part of Jolla20:39
artemmaand yeah, to my (deeply mine) understanding Nemo project was started with something like Jolla in mind even though Jolla wasn't started as a biz entity yet20:39
* artemma is really excited finishing quick app launcher (a'la quick app search), but icon needs to be drawn.. Morpog_ maybe?20:39
artemmaMorpog_Mobile_: ping20:39
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coderusBearT: device have boost, you can use it21:22
tortoisedochooo21:24
tortoisedoccoderus21:24
artemmaAnybody installed the latest SDK? Is there something useful besides the harbour checker script?21:24
tortoisedocquestion21:24
* artemma is hesitating to reinstall just for a checker script21:24
tortoisedocif I want to put qml file in plugin21:24
tortoisedoci use qrc://main.qml to access it correct?21:25
kaltsiartemma: it's only available as an update inside the sdk.. what's your current version of the sdk installer?21:25
artemmakaltsi: version of installer? I don't know. One that was included to SDK21:26
artemmaBuilt on Dec 16 2013 at 13:04:1521:26
artemmathat's what creator's About dialog tells21:26
kaltsiartemma: in other words, if you used installer that was released in December .. the "1312" installer, there's nothing to reinstall.. that is still the latest installer21:26
kaltsithat is the latest published qt creator version at least21:27
artemmahmm, actually updater tells "No updates available" anyway21:27
artemmastrange though21:27
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artemmamaybe full reinstall is needed21:27
kaltsihow about the "sdk control center" icon21:27
kaltsithis checker script is not distributed via the updater application21:28
coderustortoisedoc: you really need to use qrc?21:28
artemmakaltsi: I giess you mean SailfishOS tab in creator. What about it?21:28
tortoisedoccoderus : how otherwise can I place qml in plugin?21:28
kaltsiartemma: yes that tab.. it has 'updates' section21:28
coderusbut yes, if you didnt set any aliases in qrc you can use it with qrc:/prefix21:28
SiddeI installed the sdk in december and i got the update when i started it yesterday21:29
coderustortoisedoc: what problems in placing it as file?21:29
artemmakaltsi: yes, it has "Update engine" button. And yes some updates are available21:29
tortoisedocbetter packaging21:29
tortoisedocno problem otherwise21:29
kaltsiartemma: yep, if you click on that button, you'll get the updates21:29
artemmastill the same question though :) : is there anything useful in latest SDK update beyond the checker script21:29
kaltsithat's the only update21:29
* artemma doesn't want to update just for the checker21:29
coderusqrc will enlarge amount of virtual memory allocated by binary21:30
tortoisedoccoderus: i know it should work (on desktop at least), but I cant get the qml loaded21:30
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meShelleye cybermancy savegame path21:30
meShellaaah focus ...21:30
artemmacoderus: then QRC will help you to hide your code if you are not fancy keeping your QMLs one-click accessible21:30
coderusqrtqml is not safe place for hiding :)21:31
tortoisedoccoderus / artemma : it is really just about packaging21:31
coderustortoisedoc: set aliases in qrc21:31
coderusand access qrc files by aliases21:31
Siddeis it possible to give the mer-sdk virtual machine more cpu in virtualbox without breaking anything? It has 1 cpu today and i'll guess it builds things faster with more cpu?21:31
tortoisedoccoderus : hmm21:31
artemmacoderus: yeah, qrc is no obfuscation, but still will require a bit of work from hacker rather than just coying from file system21:31
coderustortoisedoc: but i see no reason why it not working for you21:32
artemmahmm, if Sailfish becomes popular, I guess there will be some demand for QML obfuscators BTW :)21:32
kaltsiSidde: you can try it, also you can increase memory up to 2 gigs (if more, the shared folders break)21:32
coderustortoisedoc: can you show your qrc index and how you accessing it21:32
artemmaor maybe likes of Digia provide obfuscators already now21:32
tortoisedoccoderus : / with /qml/main.qml under it21:33
Siddekaltsi: i think i will try it. But the bottleneck might be in the communication so i'm not that optimistic that it will go faster to build and run on the phone21:33
tortoisedocand access is21:33
tortoisedocqrc:/qml/main.qml21:33
tortoisedocartemma : any obfuscation will need deobfuscation21:33
kaltsiSidde: I did some tests, but they were quite disappointing .. but hope it works better for you21:33
Siddekaltsi: it's a shot in the dark. i doubt it will make anything better. But development is so slow21:34
coderustortoisedoc: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6776534/21:34
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coderusthis is minimal qrc21:34
artemmatortoisedoc: JavaScript obfuscators exist for ages. For QML they will be less useful as you can't rename properties, but still JS part of the code can be obfuscated21:34
Siddekaltsi: i acctually tinking of having another project at the same time building for a desktop qt-thingy just to try qt/qml stuff out21:35
tortoisedoccoderus : http://paste.ubuntu.com/6776542/21:35
tortoisedocthis is my qrc21:35
kaltsiSidde: ok.. that should be a much faster env21:36
coderustortoisedoc: you have prefix :)21:36
coderusyou can access content by qml/main.qml without qrc:21:36
coderus:)21:37
tortoisedocdo'h :D21:37
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coderusartemma: qrc is not safe21:38
coderusbetter is implementing own container21:38
tortoisedocbtw21:38
artemmacoderus: yeah, qrc is no obfuscation, but still will require a bit of work from hacker rather than just copying from file system21:38
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tortoisedochas anyone succesfully run vpn pptp client on sailfishos yet?21:38
coderusartemma: dups :D21:38
tortoisedocpppd daemon prints crap if i run it21:38
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* coderus zzzzzzZzzzzz21:41
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attahanyone know when we might see qtdocgallety on the allowed-list, and not just in the stock apps?21:48
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attahjonpacker: i think your client and/or internet is borked :)21:53
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phlixiattah: i guess jonpacker hasnt fixed it yet ;-)21:55
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attahalso he didn't get my message judging from the notifications ^^21:56
phlixi^^21:56
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attahjonpacker: you there?21:57
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rcgyay, send the first text message to my pebble via a primarily in qml implemented function :)22:00
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attahgood job!22:00
rcgthx :)22:00
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rcgElleo, looks like an "as pure as possible qml" implementation is pretty straight forward :)22:06
rcghttps://github.com/ruedigergad/SkippingStones/blob/master/qml/Watch.qml22:06
rcghave a look at sendText22:06
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artemmarpm installation claims nothing provides library subpackage depends on, but.. this dependency isn't listed in .yaml. Is app installation actually checking binary dependencies?22:08
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rcgBtMessage, essentially, is a tiny wrapper around a QByteArray22:08
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artemmaokay, cleaning and rebuilding solved it22:10
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attahrcg: is bluetooth harbour-friendly? :)22:11
rcgattah, not yet22:11
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rcgbut i filed an according request at together.jolla.com22:12
attah:)22:12
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rcgattah, and personally, i don't care too much about harbour-friendliness right now22:12
rcgfirst step, for me, is hacking and coming up with something cool22:13
rcgthen, if time and harbour-restrictions, permit it, maybe look at pushing things to harbour22:13
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rcguntil more libs are allowed in harbour and i got accustomed to the rules and how to fulfill these i will prefer to push to something like openrepos :)22:14
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attahtrue, and i applaud you for it.. but it ending up in harbour would probably help the platform just a bit further.. and imho every bit counts22:14
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attahbut yeah.. the major obstacle is the rules i guess..22:16
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attahi have the problem that the import i need is both borked and not allowed :)22:18
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rcgattah, yeah, i am also very enthusiastic with respect to supporting the platform22:25
rcghowever, while i see the reason for rules at harbour, the very same rules are also a major obstacle22:25
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Jonnirules are not carved in stone, they can change if need be.22:26
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attahindeed.. but i'd like to think that the sailors are (mostly) on top of things as far as the more mainstream libraries that have yet to be included go..22:27
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rcgand as i am doing all the development in my spare time as some sort of hobby, the extra work for accounting to these rules or make up for missing allowed libs via crude hacks is a bit too much for me, right now22:27
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rcgJonni, aye, i don't intend to sound negative or rant22:27
rcgjust want to tell my current impression22:27
rcgJonni, and i am very happy that you guys are listening in even on saturday night :)22:28
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stephg+122:29
rcgin the very beginning i ran against quite some walls due to missing api/libs/rules... but well, i am trying to see it more relaxed now and focus again on development rather than on harbour22:29
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rcgin the hope that things on harbour will sort out over time22:29
rcglike more libs being allowed etc.22:29
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attahexactly.. eventually the love of the platform will have us looking the other way for the few remaining annoyances22:30
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Morpog_artemma, ppong22:32
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artemmaMorpog_: I was into making an icon for quick launcher. But made one myself by now :)22:33
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Elleorcg: nice :)22:33
Morpog_ah ok22:33
attahhas jonpacker decreased in frequency?22:33
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Morpog_was watching TV :D22:33
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artemmaMorpog_: they say TV is good for you. If you watch good stuff there that is :)22:34
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* artemma is checking SDK updates and how to use checker scripts from there. Excited to push Quick Launcher to harbour soon22:35
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Morpog_well artemma, I watched some real junk called Jungle Camp :D22:37
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phlixiomg22:38
phlixithis means my collegues will talk about that crap the next weeks -.-22:38
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Morpog_phlixi, lol, just join the junk and you can talk with your collegues about it :D22:39
phlixiin my eyes the word "junk" does not really express the junkiness of jc^^22:39
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phlixiusually i call it "unterschichten fernsehen" ;)22:40
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phlixi...allthough all i know that watch jungle camp are really smart people22:41
phlixi(actually that drives me crazy^^)22:41
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rcgElleo, i am, right now, trying to port more basic functionality to qml22:43
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rcgbefore continuing on adding more new functionality as implemented in libpebble22:43
Morpog_phlixi, maybe because we enjoy watching the unterschichten people in the camp?22:43
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phliximaybe ;)22:44
phlixii tried it years ago and felt it was wasted time22:44
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Elleorcg: neat :)22:51
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Nicd-jonpack__: please fix your connection23:02
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rcgNicd-, well, i doubt he's doing that purposely23:06
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rcgNicd-, just saying this because i was punished by crappy isps also quite some times ;)23:06
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rcgElleo, https://github.com/ruedigergad/SkippingStones/blob/master/qml/Watch.qml23:08
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rcgproof-of-concept for handling of received messages in qml23:09
rcgsee onMessageReceived23:09
rcgfor a time reply23:09
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Elleorcg: awesome, you're making great progress :)23:10
ln-anyone familiar with: [jolla|plugin:ssu?repo=jolla] Can't provide file './non-oss/noarch/wqy-zenhei-font-0.0.3-10.1.1.jolla.noarch.rpm' from repository 'jolla'23:10
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rcgElleo, so, this should already cover quite some use cases that can be implemented in pure qml :)23:10
Elleoyeah :)23:10
rcgElleo, thx, i am very surprised about how easy this goes as well :)23:11
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rcgall that was needed is the small wrapper around QByteArray and there you go :)23:11
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rcgand it might be possible to implement even that wrapper in qml/javascript.. but i am not going there, right now :)23:12
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rcgfor now, i am quite happy with the current state23:12
Elleo:)23:13
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rcgand well, having so much implemented in qml means that i can now even hack on that project while commuting :)23:14
radiofreeso does anyone else have problems with the device on wireless N networks/23:14
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radiofreejolla store does not work *at all* when connected to the wifi, in fact nothing actually seems to work23:15
radiofreeswitching my router to b/g and it works23:15
radiofreethough that's not a solution23:15
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radiofreei've basically had to resort to turning wifi off completely there's so many issues with it23:16
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