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| wellu_ | familiar names... | 08:26 |
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| kontio_ | wellu_: sorry the 'qrc://' rejection was a mistake, seems you were the first one doing it, and our check script had a bug and rejected it. Apologies, please resubmit the rpm, as mentioned earlier, the QA staff was not running full speed until today, so there were some delays in processing. | 08:59 |
| wellu_ | kontio_: I "fixed" it already :) There is 1.0-2 rpm in the QA since yesterday | 09:00 |
| kontio_ | wellu_: ah ok, I don't have inside into the queue... | 09:00 |
| wellu_ | that was redundant import anyway | 09:00 |
| * artemma dreams about stats in harbour actually working. Especially now that I see how many people don't like my own app activity stats gathering | 09:02 | |
| Nicd- | I removed your flashlight app because of that | 09:02 |
| Hartzi | me too | 09:02 |
| artemma | kontio_: is there a chance that harbour will at some point show at least basic app usage stats, not just download counts? | 09:02 |
| Nicd- | I wouldn't care if you told me about it | 09:03 |
| kontio_ | wellu_: we will take your app in front of the queue now... again sorry | 09:03 |
| artemma | sad to know you removed it | 09:03 |
| Nicd- | but doing it in secret, well, I can't trust your apps anymore | 09:03 |
| artemma | yeah, flashlight was always in a hurry project | 09:03 |
| * artemma doesn't get "in secret" part, but you know better what you think | 09:04 | |
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| Nicd- | "in secret" means calling home without telling me | 09:04 |
| artemma | then again I come from commercial development where Google Analytics and AB-testing of any kind is daily bread and butter | 09:04 |
| artemma | hard to do any private develoment now without the AB-testing abilitites | 09:05 |
| Nicd- | I would *not* expect a flashlight app to open a data connection anywhere | 09:05 |
| B-ZaR | artemma: it would probably be OK if you a) told the users about it, and b) gave them an option to opt out | 09:05 |
| artemma | I doubt message in the About would actually b e read by anybody, but that would have been more appropriate | 09:06 |
| Pnuu | I have google analytics blocked everywhere | 09:06 |
| artemma | oh well, a lesson about the current Jolla crowd for the future | 09:06 |
| kontio_ | artemma: there were so many requests regarding harbour on tjc, we will go through them now... first I guess we have to implement the native/android indicator, since it's the most popular in tjc :-) if what you exactly want (in all details, etc) will come or not, I can't say, but if demand is there, we look into it... | 09:07 |
| artemma | and then opening not really mandatory data connection every time isn't a good UX anyway | 09:07 |
| artemma | kontio_ : yep, what I want is in together and Flashlight version in QA asks people to go discuss this question :) https://together.jolla.com/question/10956/provide-some-basic-or-not-so-basic-app-usage-stats-for-the-developers/ | 09:08 |
| artemma | Thing is I (and any other sane dev) wants stats, at least basic ones, yet I understand that as a user I myself wouldn't be very fancy about it | 09:08 |
| artemma | so it would be cool if Jolla served as a transparent mediator | 09:09 |
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| kontio_ | artemma: yeah I saw that question in tjc... and understand it... | 09:10 |
| artemma | kontio_: I also understand it's not an easy request and you have many other ones. So I mostly hope for the very basic implementation: just tell me how many times app was started this or that week | 09:11 |
| artemma | e.g. a number of Flashlight starts plays a significant role in my motivation towards continuing development | 09:11 |
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| wellu_ | kontio_: no prob | 09:12 |
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| wellu_ | kontio: btw. I noticed that even though my app was rejected I got no email from Harbour. I would except an email notification in case of failure or success so that people don't need to "poll" in the website. | 09:22 |
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| kontio | wellu_: I had the same impression (have apps of my own there) and was surprised... I need to check how it is supposed to work... | 09:24 |
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| kor | why would you need to gather amount of starts? | 09:24 |
| kor | i don't want jolla apps to turn into android apps where everything you do is sent and logged | 09:25 |
| wellu_ | kontio: one more thing: I accidentally started adding new app and now I'm unable to clean it up. It seems that there is no remove button anywhere. | 09:26 |
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| wellu_ | I mean I have Untitlet app there in DRAFT state. | 09:27 |
| kontio | :-) hmm guess no there is no remove button... | 09:28 |
| B-ZaR | kor: agreed. the device should not send anything without me having an option to tell it not to :) | 09:28 |
| kontio | wellu_: can you make a request to developer-care@jolla.com to remove it? | 09:28 |
| wellu_ | I think I could... but I'll wait for you guys to add a button there in the UI ;) | 09:29 |
| B-ZaR | gathering stats is OK as long as it's optional | 09:29 |
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| nodevel | the only way I can see this coming is an 'opt-in' scenario. definitely not 'opt-out' | 09:53 |
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| coderus | wellu_: what about using terminal ro remove application? | 09:55 |
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| wellu_ | codererus: I was talking about Harbour UI. You can't remove an app in DRAFT state. | 09:57 |
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| coderus | wellu_: sory :) | 10:03 |
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| Ruslan | alien dalvik always closes at start up of any android application, I have this in dmesg: "[34241.000941] ActivityManager(1461) send signal 9 to re-initialized>(13516)" | 11:20 |
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| Ruslan | is there any way to fix it or understand what happens? | 11:21 |
| Ruslan | apkd application doesn't close as it's pid doesn't change | 11:22 |
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| walokra | hmm, got my sailfish ide stuck. doesn't want to connect to mersdk vm anymore | 11:27 |
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| walokra | well, back to real work then :) | 11:30 |
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| crevetor | Hi guys, I'm in the process of translating my app and was wondering if there's a path for the qm files to be automatically read as part of the SailfishApp class | 11:35 |
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| crevetor | thp: ?? | 11:39 |
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| thp | crevetor: hey | 11:46 |
| thp | crevetor: there are plans to have some support of that in libsailfishapp, yes | 11:46 |
| crevetor | thp: but right now is it enough to put the qm files in /usr/share/$NAME (or a subdir) ? | 11:46 |
| thp | crevetor: it would probably involve something like having pre-defined directories into which you put your qm files (named in a special way so they can be picked up) | 11:46 |
| thp | crevetor: you will still have to open the files with a QTranslator and install translations yourself | 11:47 |
| crevetor | ok | 11:47 |
| thp | that's something that hopefully libsailfishapp can do for you in the future | 11:47 |
| thp | crevetor: do you think it would also be useful to automate installing the qm files (+compiling from .ts files) in libsailfishapp's qmake magic? | 11:47 |
| crevetor | Thanks :) Also is libsailfishapp open source ? (I could send a patch for such a thing) | 11:47 |
| crevetor | Probably as long as it works even if translations aren't done | 11:48 |
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| kontio | wellu_: currently harbour does not send any e-mails, so you have to poll, but it's on the roadmap... | 12:08 |
| wellu_ | good to hear | 12:09 |
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| coderus | thp: what happened with i18n? | 12:51 |
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| thp | coderus: what do you mean, what happened? | 12:51 |
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| BeholdMyGlory | Hi, how would I go about building and packaging a project which is using the standard "./configure && make" type build system for Sailfish? From what I can see the SDK only supports qmake and cmake, so how would I go about using the Sailfish toolchain from outside the SDK? | 13:01 |
| celeron55 | you ssh to the build virtual machine and do your regular stuff using sb2 in there | 13:02 |
| celeron55 | ...and notably it is best to install dependencies using the qtcreator gui to the buildvm, otherwise it seems to not always work | 13:02 |
| coderus | thp: i mean translations | 13:03 |
| coderus | default dir, etc | 13:03 |
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| thp | coderus: nothing implemented yet, suggestions welcome | 13:08 |
| thp | coderus: probably somewhere below /usr/share/<appname>/ | 13:08 |
| thp | coderus: /usr/share/<appname>/i18n/XX.qm (where XX is the language code) would probably work well, what do you think? | 13:09 |
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| coderus | exactly | 13:14 |
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| BeholdMyGlory | celeron55: Seems to be working, thanks | 13:35 |
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| coderus | thqdoes sailfish support desktop file app naming depends on locale? | 13:44 |
| coderus | thp: * | 13:44 |
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| thp | coderus: you can use the desktop entry spec's way of defining localized names: http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ar01s04.html | 13:46 |
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| coderus | good :) | 13:56 |
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| valdur55 | Ok. more about yesterdays bug... it is somehow related to keyboard showing detection... Scolling to up is allowed turning small time of animation. Window hiding/showing doesn't bring items down. Only scrolling down in empty space helps. | 14:01 |
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| artemma | what's the typical harbour queue length nowadays? | 15:57 |
| artemma | a day? Two? | 15:57 |
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| lbt | artemma: after xmas I'd say a week - they've been on holiday; today is first day back for many | 16:19 |
| artemma | oh.. that's a lot | 16:19 |
| artemma | lbt: thx | 16:19 |
| * artemma is always in dilemma to put more features to update or less, but do it step by step to make sure changes are approved in harbour | 16:20 | |
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| BeholdMyGlory | As part of the build process of an application that I'm trying to build, an executable that was compiled earlier during the same build is run in order to generate a file. This means that the build fails when I'm compiling for ARM, since the generated executable can't be run in an x86 environment. | 16:26 |
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| lbt | BeholdMyGlory: and that's what sb2 is for | 16:26 |
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| BeholdMyGlory | If I run the build twice, first targetting x86, then keeping the generated file and then run it again targetting ARM, it works | 16:27 |
| lbt | don't do that | 16:27 |
| lbt | well, you can ... but it's pointless :) | 16:27 |
| BeholdMyGlory | What am I supposed to do then? If I just run sb2 -t SailfishOS-armv7hl make, it fails when trying to run the executable | 16:27 |
| lbt | source available ? | 16:28 |
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| celeron55 | BeholdMyGlory: so your build system generates an intermediate file that it expects to be able to run while building? | 16:29 |
| BeholdMyGlory | lbt: Well, it's not my own project, so sure: http://dl.sourceforge.jp/anthy/37536/anthy-9100h.tar.gz I'm basically trying to run ./configure && make from the root of the directory | 16:29 |
| BeholdMyGlory | celeron55: Right | 16:29 |
| lbt | did you run configure inside sb2 ? | 16:30 |
| BeholdMyGlory | I did | 16:30 |
| lbt | big tarball | 16:31 |
| celeron55 | http://www.macrobug.com/blog/2007/11/25/using-scratchbox-to-build-complex-arm-binaries-for-android/ | 16:31 |
| celeron55 | maybe something like that | 16:31 |
| lbt | omg nooooo | 16:31 |
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| celeron55 | there are other guides to doing that same thing too; it seems very messy though | 16:32 |
| lbt | it sucks | 16:32 |
| lbt | please don't do that | 16:32 |
| lbt | please don't tell people to do that either :) | 16:32 |
| celeron55 | i'll leave this to you 8) | 16:32 |
| lbt | read this: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_and_SB2 | 16:32 |
| lbt | it should help explain some of it | 16:32 |
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| celeron55 | but that isn't a solution to the problem | 16:33 |
| BeholdMyGlory | My idea otherwise was, as I said, to first run the build outside sb2, then doing make clean but saving the generated file, and then running configure and make again, but this time with sb2 | 16:33 |
| lbt | BeholdMyGlory: in general we use qemu to transparently emulate | 16:34 |
| BeholdMyGlory | The problem with that is that when trying to build an RPM, if I run rpmbuild with sb2, the sb2 command isn't available during the build, so I can't switch to x86 for the first build | 16:34 |
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| * lbt finds a wall to talk to | 16:35 | |
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| celeron55 | oh actually it looks like that page contains a solution | 16:35 |
| lbt | correction "the" solution :) ... for Mer and Sailfish anyway | 16:35 |
| lbt | we build the entirety of both platforms (and Nemo and some others) like this | 16:36 |
| celeron55 | it's just like one line | 16:36 |
| lbt | the problem is a common one | 16:36 |
| lbt | eg Qt needs to build qmake to complete the build | 16:36 |
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| lbt | BeholdMyGlory: right - your problem isn't that you're trying to run an arm binary :) | 16:38 |
| lbt | it's that you get a segfault | 16:38 |
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| BeholdMyGlory | Right, but it doesn't segfault on x86, and what it's doing is trying to execute an ARM binary | 16:39 |
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| lbt | you know that ./configure works by compiling and running arm binaries ? | 16:39 |
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| lbt | so it's not the ARM bit as such. | 16:40 |
| celeron55 | BeholdMyGlory: if you try to execute an arm binary on x86 when you don't have explicit support for it, it won't run it at all | 16:40 |
| BeholdMyGlory | Oh, that's true actually | 16:40 |
| celeron55 | segfault means it can run it | 16:40 |
| BeholdMyGlory | Didn't think of that | 16:40 |
| lbt | qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - core dumped | 16:40 |
| rakor | Hi there! Is there any easy way to install sailfishos on a Galaxy S or on a Galaxy Nexus Phone? | 16:40 |
| jake9xx | you have mixture of objects of different archs propably | 16:40 |
| celeron55 | so good luck fixing the build system 8) | 16:40 |
| rakor | I'd really like to test the OS, but don't have the money left to buy a jolla-phone at the moment | 16:41 |
| BeholdMyGlory | So uh, the problem is that the binary simply doesn't work properly on ARM? | 16:41 |
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| BeholdMyGlory | I'm assuming that the file generated is platform independant though, so as long as I can get ahold of it *somehow*, I can exclude it from the build process | 16:42 |
| jake9xx | BeholdMyGlory: did you clean your project before switching to arm ? | 16:42 |
| lbt | BeholdMyGlory: yes | 16:42 |
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| BeholdMyGlory | jake9xx: Sure, multiple times | 16:42 |
| lbt | jake9xx: I http://pastie.org/8610457 | 16:43 |
| lbt | so it's qemu having an issue - I note that it has #include <anthy/alloc.h> | 16:44 |
| jake9xx | BeholdMyGlory: it's exactly like lbt is saying. and more over, there is no point to launch stuff inside the target, it's not a run-time environment | 16:44 |
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| lbt | I think this is a genuine helper tools which is part of the build process | 16:45 |
| lbt | not a test or ui thing | 16:45 |
| halosghost | Any news or update on the SDK being packagable? | 16:46 |
| lbt | BeholdMyGlory: see how I ran it - you can do that from command line inside BE if you like. Then you can try to debug mkdepgraph | 16:46 |
| BeholdMyGlory | jake9xx: Unfortunately I'm not the one behind the project or the build system, I'm just trying to get an existing library working on Sailfish | 16:46 |
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| BeholdMyGlory | lbt: So just running sb2 launches you into an emulated ARM environment? | 16:48 |
| BeholdMyGlory | I'll see what I can do | 16:48 |
| lbt | I'd start by just a printf and return 1; gets me this : http://pastie.org/8610466 | 16:49 |
| lbt | it fails when running : anthy_conf_override("CONFFILE", "../anthy-conf"); | 16:50 |
| lbt | good luck ... use the printf | 16:50 |
| BeholdMyGlory | But in the worst case scenario if I can't fix it, what would be better: shipping the .spec with the generated file already included, or compiling and building the project on x86 first and then on ARM in the .spec file? | 16:51 |
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| lbt | you could repackage it so the results of the command are used - but it's just a bug | 16:53 |
| lbt | (probably) | 16:53 |
| jake9xx | BeholdMyGlory: fix it with x86 first and then use arm buildchain. If it won't work, it's a bug. | 16:53 |
| lbt | it works in x86 | 16:53 |
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| jake9xx | then - it's a bug | 16:55 |
| celeron55 | that isn't news anymore | 16:55 |
| celeron55 | why do people code toolchains in C; it's doomed to cause situations like this | 16:55 |
| * lbt assigns it to celeron55 | 16:55 | |
| celeron55 | ehm | 16:55 |
| celeron55 | i mean build systems | 16:55 |
| lbt | sb2 uses lua | 16:56 |
| lbt | just, you know, sayin' | 16:56 |
| celeron55 | some scripting language will at least work equally on all platforms | 16:56 |
| BeholdMyGlory | Anyway, I'll try and debug it to the best of my ability, hopefully I can fix it; thank you very much for your help everyone | 16:56 |
| lbt | lua runs in a C interpreter | 16:56 |
| lbt | BeholdMyGlory: yell if you get stuck ... but only after removing 2 handlfuls of hair and overloading a google node | 16:57 |
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| John24 | hey guys | 17:05 |
| John24 | straight to the question: what do we use for reading/writing files? I couldn't see FileIO 1.0 on Jolla harbour list | 17:05 |
| lbt | QFile ? | 17:06 |
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| John24 | looking up on google it seems that QML does not really do reading/writing files, I will need to use C++ as well? | 17:08 |
| lbt | correct - http://developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Reading_and_writing_files_in_QML is one implementation | 17:08 |
| * lbt bookmarks it | 17:09 | |
| suy | John24: yes. Although QML has some convenience plugins, I don't think one is supposed to write a whole app in QML. Unless is some game, or some almost UI-only app. | 17:09 |
| Elleo | John24: what are you trying to read and write? If it's data specific to your app then you might want to use the QML LocalStorage API to simply write to a database | 17:09 |
| lbt | thp: for our 'qml only' users that may be worth adding to the libsailfish ? | 17:10 |
| John24 | I want my app to save user settings | 17:10 |
| John24 | so if they enter details to connect : Ip, port,. password I want it to be saved | 17:11 |
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| Elleo | John24: some people use LocalStorage for that, personally I have a tiny bit of C++ wrapping QSettings and making it available to QML | 17:11 |
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| John24 | I see, Well I knew that eventually I will need to start adding C++ code and fucntions to my code | 17:12 |
| Elleo | John24: https://gitorious.org/foocorp/gnu-fm/source/0d55bcbd8c77751e3890e606fb5a296ad922a917:clients/sailfish/src <-- is the way I do it with QSettings | 17:12 |
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| Elleo | then you can just call 'settings.value("username")' or 'settings.setValue("username", "Elleo")', etc. within QML | 17:13 |
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| John24 | oh thank you for the code :) | 17:13 |
| Elleo | but like I say you can do it in pure QML with LocalStorage | 17:14 |
| Elleo | I just find that a bit of overkill for just settings stuff | 17:14 |
| John24 | Well I will also need to some work in .xml files | 17:15 |
| John24 | I am working on VLC remote, as the status of the player is stored as a .xml file | 17:15 |
| John24 | so I assure to read that I will need something more robust in C++ | 17:15 |
| John24 | assume | 17:16 |
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| Elleo | yeah, I expect so; while there's some XML parsing stuff in QML you'd still need to be able to read the file from C++ at least, and I'm not certain how easy QML's XML parsing is to make use of outside of an XmlHttpRequest | 17:17 |
| John24 | XmlHttpRequest you say? I think that;'s what I will be using | 17:18 |
| Elleo | John24: you can do that from QML, there's examples of that in my libre.fm client | 17:19 |
| Elleo | John24: https://gitorious.org/foocorp/gnu-fm/source/0d55bcbd8c77751e3890e606fb5a296ad922a917:clients/sailfish/qml/harbour-librefm.qml#L44 <-- convenience function I wrote that then calls a callback when data is ready | 17:19 |
| lbt | XmlListModel may be useful | 17:20 |
| Elleo | John24: https://gitorious.org/foocorp/gnu-fm/source/0d55bcbd8c77751e3890e606fb5a296ad922a917:clients/sailfish/qml/pages/LoginPage.qml#L94 <-- example of using it and parsing some data | 17:20 |
| Elleo | oh interesting, wasn't aware of XmlListModel | 17:20 |
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| John24 | oh wow I wow got so much more than I expected :D | 17:21 |
| Elleo | although I've already got my stuff parsing into a ListModel | 17:21 |
| Elleo | could be useful if I ever need it again though | 17:21 |
| lbt | Elleo: it's readonly though | 17:21 |
| Elleo | ah | 17:21 |
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| John24 | readonly works fine for me | 17:21 |
| lbt | I figured out how to get booleans out of it eventually | 17:21 |
| John24 | Thank you guys I really appreciate your time and help | 17:21 |
| John24 | Now I got loads of reading and coding to do! | 17:22 |
| Elleo | yeah, with mine I need to constantly update the listmodel with new playlist chunks | 17:22 |
| Elleo | John24: :) | 17:22 |
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| leszek | hi | 18:01 |
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| leszek | hmm... is it a known bug that even when back and forward navigation on a page with a webview is deactivated (set to false) that it is still working when zoomed in ? | 18:03 |
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| Andy80 | hi all | 18:05 |
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| Andy80 | coderus, hi! I'm trying yor mitakuuluu. Is it normal that my contact list is empy (with the exception of the two conversations-group I had) and that I have to manually add each contact? | 18:06 |
| leszek | basically that means coding a webbrowser inside a page is impossible if it does not want to suck hard. Hmm... I guess I need refactor my code and don't use pages at all. That would be interesting ... | 18:07 |
| Morpog_ | Andy80, you need to synchronize | 18:07 |
| Andy80 | Morpog_, how? | 18:07 |
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| Morpog_ | Andy80, pulley menu add contacts | 18:09 |
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| Morpog_ | then there pulley menu sync all contacts | 18:09 |
| Andy80 | Morpog_, ahhh wait... | 18:10 |
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| Andy80 | I was not really expecting a pull menu under a page that came from another pull menu | 18:10 |
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| Morpog_ | why not? | 18:11 |
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| Morpog_ | also it's pretty easy to spot pulley menus | 18:11 |
| Andy80 | I just wasn't :) | 18:12 |
| Andy80 | anyway it worked | 18:13 |
| Andy80 | thanks! | 18:13 |
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| matoking | I'm getting "Internal data stream error." error when I try to play a video using Video QML element | 18:37 |
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| walokra | is there a performance difference of using svg icons vs. png? | 18:38 |
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| Venemo | walokra: yes. svg icons are unsupported on the platform, png icons are supported | 18:39 |
| matoking | @walokra They appear to be cached | 18:39 |
| matoking | @Venemo SVG icons work fine for me | 18:39 |
| Venemo | matoking: read the harbour faq | 18:39 |
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| matoking | @Venemo Are you referring to the application icon or icons shown inside the application? | 18:40 |
| walokra | it says the the icon must be png but i meant the images inside my app | 18:40 |
| Venemo | matoking, I'm referring to the application icon | 18:41 |
| Venemo | walokra: you _can_ use SVG but it will render more slower than a PNG | 18:41 |
| walokra | okay, that's the answer I wanted :) | 18:41 |
| matoking | @Venemo From what I understand Qt caches the images | 18:41 |
| matoking | So if you display the same SVG icon multiple times there shouldn't be a performance difference as far as I know | 18:42 |
| Venemo | matoking: sure, but it still takes more time than not caching them | 18:42 |
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| matoking | Then again, I haven't gotten to a point where performance matters | 18:42 |
| matoking | And premature optimization is the root of all evil :P | 18:42 |
| walokra | another question, can I bind action to left/right flick? | 18:43 |
| walokra | like when using listview snaponitem it goes to prev/next item automatically when flicking | 18:44 |
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| matoking | QGstreamerPlayerSession::processBusMessage:1223 - Error: "Internal data stream error." is what I get when I try to play a video with QML | 18:53 |
| matoking | It's a video file that comes with the device, so I kind of expected it to work :P | 18:54 |
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| jake9xx | matoking: device or emu? | 19:02 |
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| matoking | @jake9xx Device | 19:15 |
| matoking | I have a feeling it's just something that needs to be added to the .pro file, but I've already added QT += multimedia and that didn't help | 19:16 |
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| jake9xx | matoking: hmm.. device should have 'em all to make gstreamer work with qml | 19:19 |
| jake9xx | MSameer: ^ | 19:19 |
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| matoking | Well I thought of debugging the application but that doesn't seem to work | 19:20 |
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| matoking | I switch Build mode to Debug, click Start Debugging and it deploys the application and runs it | 19:20 |
| matoking | And eventually an error "Debugging failed." pop ups | 19:21 |
| matoking | *pops up | 19:21 |
| matoking | I have a feeling it's just a package that has been erroneously uninstalled | 19:21 |
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| * artemma tried debugger several times, never managed to get it working. Good point is that it encourages people do more TDD and just unit testing | 19:37 | |
| jake9xx | qml debugging should work... gdb debugging not | 19:37 |
| jake9xx | we're lacking proper cross-gdb.. but it's coming... | 19:37 |
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| Andy80 | is it possible to mute a conversation in mitakuuluu? | 19:37 |
| jake9xx | again linux+mac would be trivial, windows... not so much | 19:37 |
| Andy80 | I mean no sound | 19:38 |
| Andy80 | and no notifications | 19:38 |
| * artemma failed with QML debugging as well, will try it again then | 19:39 | |
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| ottulonen | by the way, I did some testing and managed to figure out what causes the linebreak in mitakuuluu messages | 19:42 |
| ottulonen | coderus: if you type a message, then move the cursor in the middle before sending, it will add a line break at the cursor location even if nothing was typed there | 19:43 |
| ottulonen | the line break only appears after sending and it does go through to the recipient too | 19:44 |
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| clau | is there anything about sailfish security, especially when it comes to third party apps? | 19:51 |
| clau | I just reliazed that locally stored emails are accessible to any app installed from the store :| | 19:52 |
| clau | *realized | 19:54 |
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| John24 | does anyknow know how to delete a LocalStorage 2.0 database? | 19:55 |
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| Hartzi | does anyone know how to make a background hilight effect when a list item is pressed? Do I have to define someting in OnClicked event handler? | 20:03 |
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| Kurragan | hi, I writting some app for my Jolla, I have very simple question, where I can find api/interface documentation for sialfish os I'm interested in conectivity api switching between 2G and Dual | 20:10 |
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| ljp | sailfish silica API docs come with the sdk | 20:13 |
| matoking | https://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/sailfish-silica-all.html is what you'll want to use for QML (aka UI elements) | 20:14 |
| Kurragan | thank you, I have not noticed that, I will try to find it. | 20:14 |
| ljp | Kurragan: as for that, look at connman-qt | 20:14 |
| matoking | For functionality, like file system access and such you'll have to look at Qt docs | 20:14 |
| matoking | http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtdoc/index.html | 20:14 |
| Kurragan | thanks for all answers | 20:15 |
| ljp | Kurragan: or libqofono | 20:15 |
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| Kurragan | OK, I'm continuing with my app, thanks a lot for quick help. | 20:17 |
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| artemma | Worried about Flashlight gathering or not gathering private stats - I typed long(ish) reply at maemo forums, go check it out - http://bit.ly/flashlight-stats Shortly: yep, app stats were collected, not anymore, think about what 100 of the other apps you installed *can* collect without any permission system whatsoever in Jolla | 20:24 |
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| matoking | Okay | 20:25 |
| matoking | I have a PinchArea and a Flickable bound to an Image object | 20:25 |
| matoking | And they go together like bread and butter and both of them work | 20:25 |
| matoking | However, I want UI elements to be revealed for a moment when the user taps on the screen | 20:26 |
| matoking | And for this I add a MouseArea that fills the screen | 20:26 |
| matoking | I also have propagateComposedEvents set to true and preventStealing set to false | 20:26 |
| matoking | MouseArea works, but it blocks PinchArea and Flickable from working | 20:26 |
| matoking | I suppose I could drop MouseArea off the equation entirely if I could figure out when the user taps on the screen | 20:27 |
| matoking | Any idea how to do that? | 20:27 |
| matoking | Umm, I think I actually got that to work now | 20:33 |
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| matoking | Added a MouseArea on top of PinchArea and it seems to work fine | 20:34 |
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| Tkane | :-1: error: SailfishOS Emulator: Could not connect to SailfishOS Emulator Virtual Machine. | 20:37 |
| Tkane | what to do? | 20:37 |
| matoking | @Tkane Did you start the emulator? | 20:37 |
| celeron55 | artemma: selinux for sailfish, anyone? 8-) | 20:37 |
| artemma | celeron55: what's selinux? | 20:37 |
| Tkane | yes | 20:37 |
| matoking | The bottom-most button on the bottom-left corner should have a red sign on it | 20:38 |
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| celeron55 | it's a thing that allows limiting stuff like that per process in linux :P | 20:38 |
| matoking | You may have to click the button again | 20:38 |
| matoking | Even if you have the emulator on already | 20:38 |
| artemma | celeron55: maybe, I don't really know this stuff. Neither I want to know, that is for OS designers :) | 20:39 |
| artemma | I just want an apple-like permissions on first usage attempt in the end | 20:39 |
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| celeron55 | btw, does anyone know if such is planned? | 20:39 |
| Tkane | matoking: emulator was start, but button not have a red sign | 20:41 |
| matoking | @Tkane Did you try pressing the emulator button again while the emulator is still on? | 20:42 |
| matoking | That fixed it for me | 20:42 |
| artemma | celeron55: Jolla people are surprisingly silent on the app permission model to my understanding (but I also don't always know who's workign for jolla and who's not). Possibly because something is being cooked or possibly because it isn't | 20:43 |
| Tkane | matoking: yes, now it say: -1: error: SailfishOS Emulator: Timeout waiting for reply from server. | 20:44 |
| matoking | @Tkane What OS are you running the IDE on? | 20:44 |
| celeron55 | i know that generally the open source community depends on 1) looking at the source, 2) generating trusted relationships between developers and users; but maybe it would be useful due to the nature of mobile apps | 20:44 |
| matoking | The first time when I tried the IDE on Windows it didn't work | 20:44 |
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| Tkane | Opensuse | 20:44 |
| matoking | Oh | 20:44 |
| flux | artemma, too bad adding a permission model most often is a bit difficult, for example many of the existing applications probably need to be modified to support it | 20:44 |
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| matoking | @Tkane Do you have both the Mer VM and the Emulator turned on? | 20:45 |
| John24 | I am having issues with Local storage | 20:45 |
| clau | artemma, vote on this: https://together.jolla.com/question/5516/what-kind-of-security-model-does-jolla-have/ | 20:45 |
| artemma | flux: sure it is easier to adopt a security model if it is introduced earlier than later :) | 20:45 |
| John24 | I made a database and table | 20:45 |
| clau | it's surprinsingly low with just 4 votes :( | 20:45 |
| John24 | var db = Sql.LocalStorage.openDatabaseSync("UserSettings", "1.0", "Stores user conection settings", 1); | 20:45 |
| John24 | var query = 'CREATE TABLE IF NOT EXISTS Settings(IP TEXT, Port TEXT, Username TEXT, Password TEXT)'; | 20:45 |
| clau | I have made some comments there myself. | 20:45 |
| celeron55 | flux: there might not be so much issues if it's cleverly made and the apps follow general good gnu/linux practices | 20:46 |
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| artemma | clau: too many separate topics on this. This one seems to have most votes and is most specific: https://together.jolla.com/question/9670/api-security-model/ | 20:46 |
| John24 | and to insert into the table i'm using tx.executeSql('INSERT OR REPLACE INTO Settings VALUES(?, ?, ?, ?)', [fixedIP, tfPORT.text, tfUSR.text, tfPASS.text]); | 20:46 |
| John24 | as i only have one row in the table it seems that replace does not work | 20:46 |
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| John24 | as once you insert into the table it's always the same values | 20:47 |
| Tkane | matoking: how i can see is the Mer VM on? | 20:47 |
| John24 | am I doing something wrong? | 20:47 |
| artemma | celeron55: trusted relationship between developer and the crowd.. not unless Jolla wants to become real popular. You cannot build trust between millions users and thousands of devs | 20:47 |
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| matoking | @Tkane It's above the emulator button and it should display a red sign too if it's running correctly | 20:47 |
| artemma | John24: check my Wikipedia app. There is Dictionary something class using LocalStorage for settings. Uses many rows and this approach works for me fine for few years at least | 20:48 |
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| Tkane | matoking: yes it`s on | 20:49 |
| John24 | OK I will try it now | 20:49 |
| artemma | John24: https://github.com/amarchen/Wikipedia | 20:49 |
| matoking | @Tkane Well if both of them are running correctly clicking Run should open the application on the emulator | 20:50 |
| clau | artemma, I agree on the trust issue. | 20:50 |
| John24 | i just downloaed the app | 20:50 |
| John24 | so your using favourites to insert new values? | 20:51 |
| clau | trust is not enough when you deal with milions of users and possibly thousands or more developers. it may be fine now, but it won't hold for long. | 20:51 |
| artemma | John24, yep | 20:51 |
| matoking | You could try waking the emulator if it's sleeping but other than that, I don't know what else could be done :/ | 20:51 |
| artemma | John24: actually I think I use it two times. For favourites and for settings | 20:51 |
| John24 | OK I will see how you code it now maybe it will help me | 20:52 |
| artemma | John24: DB interface is 93 lines with comments included :D https://github.com/amarchen/Wikipedia/blob/master/src/qml/components/DbDictionary.qml | 20:52 |
| artemma | there might be even some tests for it.. though maybe not in Wikipedia project | 20:52 |
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| John24 | weird | 20:57 |
| John24 | tx.executeSql('INSERT OR REPLACE INTO Settings VALUES(?, ?, ?, ?);', [fixedIP, tfPORT.text, tfUSR.text, tfPASS.text]); console.log(tx.rowsAffected) | 20:58 |
| John24 | output on console: [D] :114 - undefined | 20:58 |
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| John24 | ok i found out what was wrong with my table it kept inserting into the table and not replacing anything | 21:27 |
| John24 | I only want to have 1 single row for the whole table that would be always replaced when user saves settings | 21:27 |
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| John24 | is it possible to update single row of a table? | 21:32 |
| Yaniel | sql? | 21:33 |
| Yaniel | sure, if you have something that uniquely identifies the row | 21:33 |
| Yaniel | for example an autoicrementing id field | 21:34 |
| John24 | an ip address would do? | 21:34 |
| Yaniel | if you only want one entry per address, sure | 21:34 |
| John24 | what I am doing is making a database with single table | 21:34 |
| John24 | that would store 4 values: Ip, port, username and password | 21:34 |
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| John24 | when user opens an app and saves his settings, they are put into that row | 21:35 |
| Yaniel | hmm it might be feasible to use the ip as an unique key then | 21:35 |
| Yaniel | but is it possible to have different accounts on the same ip? | 21:35 |
| John24 | so the next time user opens the app he does not need to retype the details | 21:35 |
| John24 | but obviously he might want to change those details later | 21:35 |
| John24 | well ip might state the same but port would change | 21:36 |
| John24 | so I want a table to save single loging details | 21:36 |
| John24 | login | 21:37 |
| Yaniel | or is this just "remember last login" | 21:37 |
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| John24 | sort of yes | 21:37 |
| John24 | well yeah | 21:37 |
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| Yaniel | then sure | 21:37 |
| John24 | I am just low how to change only one row | 21:38 |
| Yaniel | add an id field | 21:38 |
| John24 | because the code I have now just keeps on adding more | 21:38 |
| Yaniel | you can assign it a static value if you don't care ^^ | 21:38 |
| John24 | var db = Sql.LocalStorage.openDatabaseSync("UserSettings", "1.0", "Stores user conection settings", 1); that's OK? | 21:38 |
| Yaniel | then just use where my_static_field=value at the end of your update statement | 21:38 |
| John24 | var query = 'CREATE TABLE IF NOT EXISTS Settings(IP TEXT, Port TEXT, Username TEXT, Password TEXT)'; | 21:38 |
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| John24 | but this one would need a value before ip? | 21:39 |
| Yaniel | yes | 21:39 |
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| Yaniel | or after, the order does not matter anyway | 21:39 |
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| tortoisedoc | ahoi sailors | 21:40 |
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| tortoisedoc | quick question | 21:40 |
| tortoisedoc | QtMobility.Gallery | 21:40 |
| tortoisedoc | is it available on SailfishOs? | 21:40 |
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| tortoisedoc | (/qt5.0)? | 21:40 |
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| tortoisedoc | cant seem to find it :| | 21:40 |
| John24 | ok so this would do? var query = 'CREATE TABLE IF NOT EXISTS Settings(ID INTEGER, IP TEXT, Port TEXT, Username TEXT, Password TEXT)'; | 21:41 |
| Elessar | tortoisedoc: as I remember it's API is not stable yet, so it can not be used | 21:41 |
| tortoisedoc | Elessar : crap :| | 21:41 |
| tortoisedoc | any replacement? | 21:41 |
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| Elessar | tortoisedoc: sorry, don't know | 21:42 |
| tortoisedoc | Elessar : thanks | 21:42 |
| Yaniel | John24: it should yes | 21:43 |
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| John24 | so now how do I change the var rs = tx.executeSql('REPLACE INTO Settings VALUES(?, ?, ?, ?)', [fixedIP, tfPORT.text, tfUSR.text, tfPASS.text]); | 21:43 |
| John24 | so it would only update 1 row | 21:43 |
| Yaniel | add where ID=yourstaticvalue to the end of the statement | 21:44 |
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| Yaniel | and I'd use UPDATE | 21:44 |
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| John24 | this? var rs = tx.executeSql("UPDATE Settings SET IP=?, Port=?, Username=?, Password=? WHERE ID=0", [fixedIP, tfPORT.text, tfUSR.text, tfPASS.text, 0]); | 21:48 |
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| Yaniel | the 0 in the array is unnecessary | 21:55 |
| John24 | do I have to insert a row in order to be able to use update? | 21:56 |
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| Yaniel | yes | 21:57 |
| Yaniel | (I think) | 21:57 |
| Hartzi | hey, how I can add images to my app package? | 21:57 |
| Yaniel | well, of course you have to have a row that matches the where part | 21:58 |
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| John24 | when would be the best time to make that row | 22:01 |
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| Yaniel | you could count or query the rows with id 0 before updating | 22:04 |
| Yaniel | and create it if you get nothing as the result | 22:05 |
| John24 | oh yes that's a great idea! | 22:05 |
| John24 | thank you | 22:05 |
| Yaniel | or at install time :D | 22:05 |
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| John24 | that would work as well | 22:07 |
| Yaniel | if it is possible | 22:07 |
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| Hartzi | hey seriously, can some one help me with theese pics? | 22:11 |
| tortoisedoc | hmm | 22:11 |
| tortoisedoc | is it possible TextEdit is not working properly.. | 22:12 |
| Yaniel | Hartzi: qrc? | 22:12 |
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| Hartzi | Yaniel: "qrc"? | 22:13 |
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| Yaniel | qt resource files | 22:13 |
| Hartzi | doesn't ring any bells | 22:14 |
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| Hartzi | just tell me what I have to do and where to get image files into a app package | 22:15 |
| John24 | Hartzi what are you trying to do? | 22:16 |
| Hartzi | trying to get some graphics to my app | 22:17 |
| John24 | do you have the images? | 22:17 |
| Hartzi | ofc I do | 22:18 |
| Hartzi | so how I do it? | 22:19 |
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| John24 | well the simplest but by far not the best way is to copy them to a folder in which you have the file that will use it | 22:20 |
| Hartzi | sigh | 22:22 |
| Elleo | Hartzi: add them to your .pro file's INSTALL instructions | 22:22 |
| Elleo | then they'll get built in to the RPM automatically | 22:22 |
| Elleo | Hartzi: I'll dig up an example for you | 22:22 |
| Hartzi | Elleo: okay that's exactly what I'm looking for | 22:23 |
| Hartzi | txt | 22:23 |
| Hartzi | thx* | 22:24 |
| Elleo | actually if you're using the sailfishapp template it looks like they'll be included automatically if they're added to the OTHER_FILES (which should be done automatically when you add them to the project in qtcreator) | 22:24 |
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| Hartzi | Elleo: I did it that way but it didn't work | 22:25 |
| Elleo | https://gitorious.org/foocorp/gnu-fm/source/0d55bcbd8c77751e3890e606fb5a296ad922a917:clients/sailfish/harbour-librefm.pro#L16 <-- is an example of doing it with the sailfishapp template; otherwise just do something like "myimages.path = /where/you/want/it/to/go; myimages.files = *.png; INSTALLS += myfiles" | 22:25 |
| Elleo | (replacing those semi-colons with actual line breaks) | 22:25 |
| Elleo | Hartzi: perhaps it'd help if you uploaded your .pro file | 22:26 |
| Elleo | so we could see what you're doing at the moment and figure out what's wrong | 22:26 |
| Hartzi | Elleo: http://pastebin.com/hMUttTPZ | 22:27 |
| Elleo | okay, looking at the sailfishapp template it doesn't look at OTHER_FILES it just includes everything in the qml directory | 22:29 |
| Elleo | so if you just put them in your qml directory they'll be installed for you, or you can add them to the INSTALLS manually as I mentioned above | 22:29 |
| Hartzi | Elleo: ok | 22:30 |
| Hartzi | let's try | 22:30 |
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| Hartzi | yeah now it works :) | 22:32 |
| Hartzi | finally | 22:32 |
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| valdur55 | hack - more landscape mode: sed -i "s/allowedOrientations: Orientation.Portrait/allowedOrientations: Orientation.All/" /usr/lib/qt5/qml/Sailfish/Silica/Page.qml | 23:39 |
| Venemo | lol | 23:40 |
| valdur55 | some apps landscape mode is broken :) like web | 23:40 |
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