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| celeron55 | yeah... | 00:10 |
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| celeron55 | libEGL warning: unsupported platform wayland | 00:11 |
| celeron55 | i can't get rid of this anymore | 00:11 |
| special | emulator or device? | 00:12 |
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| celeron55 | somehow my emulator had a version of GLESv2 or some related library that didn't have this problem, and once i installed GLESv1, it broke | 00:12 |
| celeron55 | nothing changes if i remove what i installed | 00:13 |
| special | mmm | 00:14 |
| special | how did you install it? | 00:14 |
| special | I don't know enough about the emulator to say why it'd be that way, but in general, it's likely that you pulled in a dependency or something similar that broke. | 00:15 |
| celeron55 | i removed the dependency too | 00:16 |
| celeron55 | here's whatever i run on the emulator: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6681680/ | 00:16 |
| celeron55 | it's quite obscure because it doesn't show at which points the binary changed to a differently (re)compiled one | 00:16 |
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| celeron55 | but it begins with it partly working with ogles2, and then i mess up the first dozen tries of running an ogles1 version | 00:17 |
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| celeron55 | (okay not a dozen but a few) | 00:17 |
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| celeron55 | the last one is built as close as possible to the one that was initially running | 00:18 |
| special | celeron55: I'd guess that those mesa-x86-generic packages were a bad idea, and you should be using mesa-llvmpipe | 00:18 |
| special | celeron55: search to see which mesa packages are installed now, and force them all to reinstall | 00:18 |
| special | and once you've fixed it, try mesa-llvmpipe-libGLESv1 instead ;) | 00:19 |
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| celeron55 | is there a reason why pkcon is so bad at telling about what it's doing | 00:19 |
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| special | honestly, I use zypper instead. | 00:20 |
| celeron55 | it's the first ever package manager front-end i've seen that just says "downloading" and "installing" | 00:20 |
| celeron55 | and it could just as well replaced some packages and whatever for what i can tell from it's output | 00:20 |
| celeron55 | +have | 00:20 |
| special | my theory would be that one of those overwrote some files from the mesa-llvmpipe packages you should be using. | 00:21 |
| special | which is why uninstalling wouldn't fix it, but reinstalling the correct one would | 00:21 |
| celeron55 | i tried removing all the mesa-x86-generic ones that pkcon tells are installed and installed some mesa-llvmpipe ones to replace them, but the problem persists | 00:25 |
| celeron55 | maybe i should do it the other way | 00:25 |
| celeron55 | maybe not; why do these alternative packages even exist? | 00:26 |
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| celeron55 | well shit | 00:30 |
| special | from mer | 00:30 |
| celeron55 | is there somewhere the initial package list of this sailfish sdk's emulator vm? | 00:31 |
| celeron55 | or do i have to figure out how to install an extra vm to see that | 00:31 |
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| celeron55 | the sdk doesn't allow installing a second copy of itself | 00:33 |
| special | mmm | 00:34 |
| special | if someone with a copy installed is around, that's the easy way | 00:34 |
| special | I don't have one unfortunately | 00:34 |
| celeron55 | where is the source code of the sailfish sdk for that part? | 00:35 |
| Elleo | thp: https://github.com/nemomobile/libaudioresource/issues/1 :) | 00:36 |
| celeron55 | i would expect somewhere in this world exists the package list of that VM... it's just that it might be impossible to find | 00:36 |
| special | well, it'd come from a pattern somewhere | 00:37 |
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| celeron55 | so anyone have the sailfish sdk and can run rpm -qa on it? | 00:38 |
| celeron55 | (on the emulator, i mean) | 00:38 |
| celeron55 | i'm very disappointed if nobody does, this is #sailfishos after all! | 00:39 |
| special | it's lonely when europe is asleep | 00:39 |
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| Elleo | celeron55: I can but it won't give the exact original package list as I've installed a few things for my own purposes | 00:41 |
| Elleo | nothing gl related should have changed though | 00:41 |
| celeron55 | good! | 00:42 |
| Elleo | celeron55: http://mikeasoft.com/~mike/sailfish-emulator-packagelist.txt | 00:43 |
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| celeron55 | apparently i have an identical list of packages that match grep -i gl | 00:47 |
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| celeron55 | no luck then | 00:47 |
| special | celeron55: reinstall them. | 00:47 |
| special | zypper in --force mesa-llvmpipe-... | 00:47 |
| celeron55 | woot | 00:49 |
| celeron55 | it works now! | 00:49 |
| special | cool | 00:50 |
| special | now you can try mesa-llvmpipe-libGLESv1 :p | 00:50 |
| celeron55 | yes | 00:50 |
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| PeterPark | somebody knows how I can store an application setting in QT/QML? | 00:53 |
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| celeron55 | umm | 01:02 |
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| celeron55 | it starts up, but segfaults inside /usr/lib/egl/egl_gallium.so | 01:03 |
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| celeron55 | it draws many frames before that though | 01:03 |
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| celeron55 | looks like it's failing in some render-to-texture stuff | 01:11 |
| celeron55 | eglSwapBuffers() to be accurate | 01:12 |
| celeron55 | okay, disabled that; now it runs | 01:12 |
| celeron55 | \o/ | 01:12 |
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| celeron55 | so, the next thing would be displaying an on-screen keyboard | 01:42 |
| celeron55 | i wonder how to go about doing that | 01:43 |
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| celeron55 | hmm, maybe i could launch a Qt-based window on top of my program | 01:49 |
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| celeron55 | activating a text input on such surely launches a virtual keyboard 8) | 01:50 |
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| pcfe | how would I fix build.merproject.org telling me it can not find fuse-devel for latest_armv7hl ? | 02:22 |
| special | you need to build against nemo:devel:mw, I suppose | 02:26 |
| special | https://build.merproject.org/project/meta?project=home%3Apcfe%3Aprivate%3Aexfat shows that it's currently building against mer:devel | 02:27 |
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| pcfe | special: Ah, OK, so my fiddlings were in the right direction, I'll keep nemo:devel:mw and ditch the other one | 02:42 |
| pcfe | w00t, it builds (unchanged spec files from rpmfusion, they were clean and without patches) | 02:45 |
| pcfe | manual maount works as expected, not to try clicky mount | 02:45 |
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| ottulo | phooh | 03:07 |
| ottulo | edited the lipstick.conf file manually to organize the app icons in launcher.. | 03:07 |
| pcfe | special: I'll test fuse-exfat a couple days before declaring success. One thing I wonder, is armv8el enough to build for of should I build for one of the x86 targets (which one) too? | 03:12 |
| special | x86 nemo is used for the sailfish emulator and a few random tablets | 03:12 |
| ottulo | interesting... was going through the list of available packages from pkcon, and found grilo-plugins | 03:16 |
| ottulo | I suppose installing some of them won't make the default media player or such magically able to browse and play content from them? :D | 03:17 |
| special | looks like it only uses the tracker plugin | 03:19 |
| ottulo | well, that's the one currently installed | 03:19 |
| special | you'd want tracker support to get indexing, and gstreamer support to get playback | 03:19 |
| Elleo | ottulo: there's a slim chance LL's video player might handle a manually entered grilo URL | 03:20 |
| ottulo | LL? | 03:20 |
| Elleo | ottulo: https://openrepos.net/content/llelectronics/lls-video-player | 03:20 |
| ottulo | Elleo: thanks, looks interesting | 03:21 |
| Elleo | you're welcome | 03:22 |
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| ericcc | hello why i can not see the green run button ,it only can debug | 05:40 |
| ericcc | http://imagebin.org/284934 | 05:40 |
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| n0rman_ | !tian2992vengo | 05:52 |
| Merbot | n0rman_: Error: "tian2992vengo" is not a valid command. | 05:52 |
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| n0rman_ | rmayorga: ah ya | 05:53 |
| atlaz | oy vey | 05:53 |
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| PeterPark | Is somebody interested in testing my CompassApp? just uploaded it to Harbour.. | 06:11 |
| PeterPark | https://files.myopera.com/peterparker2k/files/harbour-sailcompass-0.1-1.armv7hl.rpm | 06:12 |
| ottulo | PeterPark: nice work! cover works great too | 06:21 |
| ottulo | PeterPark: tip: make the donation address clickable, for example a link to blockchain.info, or allow people to copy the address to clipboard | 06:23 |
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| PeterPark | ottulo: I tried, but failed ;) I will do it in another version. The cover will be configurable as well, as it takes some ressources by polling the compass and drawing.. | 07:28 |
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| flux | btw, what's the easiest way to install an rpm off an url? I do curl 'url' > foo.rpm && pkcon install-local foo.rpm | 08:14 |
| tiina98 | can somebody help me to access contacts in device? I don't know what manager to use and default does not seem to work. | 08:14 |
| flux | tiina98, there is a program to export n9 contacts - and import them to jolla. somewhere on github :). it should at least show how to write there, probably the rest is easier. | 08:15 |
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| flux | peterpark, works great! | 08:16 |
| flux | peterpark, but the frame rate is a bit jerky | 08:16 |
| flux | is it for you? | 08:17 |
| flux | if it currently updates on whenever it receives a magnetometer update, then perhaps instead of that it could update at a fixed rate and perform possibly some 1st or 2nd degree interpolation on the data | 08:17 |
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| flux | peterpark, bonus points: use accelerometer and make that a 'flat' compass, that is, it would always be aligned horizontally like a table compass ;) | 08:18 |
| PeterPark | flux: yes I was not able to overcome this issue..internaly I requested to use a 300Hz datarate I decded to release early (and often ;-) ) | 08:18 |
| flux | peterpark, yeah, better that way of course | 08:19 |
| flux | peterpark, anther thing: the application name in the launcher is harbour-something | 08:19 |
| flux | that's probably not intended | 08:19 |
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| PeterPark | flux: thanks for the input. I try to play around with 3d and accelerometer | 08:19 |
| PeterPark | flux: actually I think it is a requirement for harbour apps? | 08:20 |
| flux | peterpark, it is for the applications package name | 08:20 |
| flux | but I don't think it is for the application grid name | 08:20 |
| PeterPark | ah I see | 08:20 |
| flux | because it's the first app from the jolla store with that | 08:20 |
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| PeterPark | I will rename it. and replace the rpm | 08:21 |
| flux | also SailfishCompass might be too long for that app grid, as even the current name is shortened to harbour-Sail... | 08:21 |
| PeterPark | build also the link to blockchain.info into it.. | 08:21 |
| PeterPark | It is called SailCompass :) | 08:21 |
| flux | might be a tough fit, but try :) | 08:21 |
| tiina98 | flux: thanks, but I could only find one that imports ams/calllog. Still open to guidance... | 08:25 |
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| PeterPark | new Version of SailCompass available: https://files.myopera.com/peterparker2k/files/harbour-SailCompass-0.2-1.armv7hl.rpm | 08:39 |
| flux | peterpark, have you tried a lower sampling rate? like 15? | 08:41 |
| PeterPark | flux: yes, but it doesn't change. actually I think the whole datarate thingy is not working. On available datarates I receive a nullobject | 08:43 |
| flux | for debugging purposes you could try plotting angle versus time to see if the data is delayed or not | 08:44 |
| flux | (ie. if you rotate it with a fixed rate, the points should for a straight line) | 08:45 |
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| flux | if so, then it should be possible to fix the jerkiness by slightly delaying the data and doing some interpolation in between the samples | 08:45 |
| PeterPark | flux: good idea, but I am just starting with all that QT /QML stuff.. does not know how to plot.. | 08:45 |
| flux | if not so.. well then it still would be possible but the results would be worse.. | 08:46 |
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| flux | peterpark, simply output to standard output, collect the logs and use a gnuplot, libreoffice, etc to produce a graph | 08:46 |
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| flux | so console.log | 08:46 |
| PeterPark | flux: I used a SmoothedAnimation on rotation | 08:47 |
| PeterPark | but it is not (much) better | 08:47 |
| flux | maybe it can be parametrized? | 08:47 |
| PeterPark | also the data should be a real | 08:47 |
| B-ZaR | anyone had success exchange syncing with office365? | 08:47 |
| PeterPark | but I always get only ints (0-359) | 08:47 |
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| flux | it can simple be that the chip doesn't give more precise values | 08:49 |
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| PeterPark | flux: yes that is what I was thinking and then I decided to just release it and try to make progress afterwards | 08:49 |
| flux | well, personally I would perhaps still try a bit to find a solution, first impressions etc ;) | 08:50 |
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| PeterPark | flux: I try | 08:53 |
| celeron55 | does someone know how to launch the maliit virtual keyboard via dbus, or any other explicit way? | 08:57 |
| celeron55 | or really any virtual keyboard | 08:57 |
| celeron55 | this is an application that uses irrlicht, sdl2 and glesv1, no qt | 08:58 |
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| celeron55 | i tried to do something with dbus but... ehm | 08:58 |
| celeron55 | i just can't find how to make it do anything useful | 08:59 |
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| celeron55 | [nemo@SailfishEmul ~]$ dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.maliit.server /org/maliit/server org.freedesktop.DBus.Introspectable.Introspect | 09:00 |
| celeron55 | Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.maliit.server was not provided by any .service files | 09:00 |
| celeron55 | while the file /usr/lib/systemd/user/maliit-server.service contains the line BusName=org.maliit.server | 09:00 |
| celeron55 | how can't this work; this is stupid | 09:00 |
| celeron55 | aha, --session works | 09:01 |
| celeron55 | the reply list anything useful though | 09:02 |
| celeron55 | +doesn't | 09:02 |
| celeron55 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6683389/ | 09:03 |
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| celeron55 | hmm, maybe through wayland | 09:23 |
| celeron55 | the text input protocol isn't included in the wayland client headers though | 09:23 |
| hoelzro | ahoy sailors | 09:25 |
| hoelzro | is there a way to configure the android support, via the command line or otherwise? | 09:26 |
| hoelzro | I put my Dutch SIM card in my phone last night, and now all my android applications are in Dutch =/ | 09:26 |
| pp_ | there's the props file | 09:26 |
| pp_ | that's probably the way to fix it | 09:27 |
| hoelzro | ah ha | 09:28 |
| hoelzro | thanks pp_ | 09:28 |
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| pp_ | /opt/alien/system/build.prop | 09:28 |
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| hoelzro | hmm | 09:56 |
| hoelzro | ro.product.local.langugage=en # =/ | 09:56 |
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| celeron55 | okay, this seems like one of the impossible-to-figure-out things | 10:10 |
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| celeron55 | which is sad | 10:11 |
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| celeron55 | invoking a virtual keyboard via wayland: face the impossible | 10:14 |
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| celeron55 | i wonder if #qt-labs or something would have someone who has any idea about this | 10:16 |
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| celeron55 | or #wayland... ehm.. | 10:22 |
| coderus | celeron55: check maliit-framework-wayland sources | 10:24 |
| celeron55 | what should i be searching for from here | 10:27 |
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| hoelzro | ok, I fixed it by switching to system language away from English, and then back | 10:34 |
| hoelzro | \o/ | 10:34 |
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| matoking | AnimatedImage seems to be a bit buggy compared to Image | 10:36 |
| matoking | When I have an asynchronous Image, the BusyIndicator works and the UI doesn't freeze | 10:37 |
| matoking | But with an asynchronous AnimatedImage, the UI is blocked until it's loaded | 10:37 |
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| celeron55 | coderus: all this maliit-framework stuff seems to be only about the input side of wayland; not the application side | 10:43 |
| celeron55 | maliit-framework contains two examples, but they both just are regular qt applications with obviously work and don't have anything special in them | 10:43 |
| celeron55 | which* | 10:44 |
| tango_ | celeron55: rewrite all of minetest as a pure qt app | 10:45 |
| tango_ | ;-) | 10:45 |
| celeron55 | i've been browsing the qt compositor (and others) source trying to understand how it does things but it's an endless maze | 10:45 |
| celeron55 | well i could make it create a QApplication and steal the wayland window and display from it, but i don't like that | 10:46 |
| celeron55 | also it will need to call app->processEvents() in all the 10 event loops it contains | 10:46 |
| celeron55 | while all i want is to pop up the god damn virtual keyboard | 10:47 |
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| tango_ | doesn't the keyboard come up automagically when you focus an input field? | 10:48 |
| Waitee | yes | 10:48 |
| tango_ | so I'm guessing celeron55 wants the keyboard without the input field? | 10:49 |
| Waitee | there should be a button or gesture to put down the keyboard | 10:49 |
| tango_ | Waitee: agreed. is that request in together already? | 10:49 |
| Waitee | no idea | 10:49 |
| Waitee | just thought to myself it's really annoying sometimes | 10:49 |
| celeron55 | tango_: minetest uses irrlicht's gui system | 10:50 |
| celeron55 | which OBVIOUSLY doesn't pop up any keyboards | 10:50 |
| Pnuu | clicking in the background hides the keyboard | 10:51 |
| tango_ | Pnuu: it also registers a click | 10:52 |
| celeron55 | popping up a keyboard would be up to the SDL2 backend of irrlicht, which i have implemented for this, but i have the exact same problem there and sdl2's wayland backend doesn't have support for SDL_StartTextInput() and implementing that has this exact same problem | 10:52 |
| tango_ | Pnuu: which when browsing e.g. together means you'll likely click on some link | 10:52 |
| Pnuu | tango_: yeah, that can be nuicance :-P | 10:52 |
| tango_ | Pnuu: some way to swipe the keyboard out would be nice | 10:52 |
| celeron55 | so basically everything depends on finding out how to pop up the keyboard without qt | 10:52 |
| celeron55 | no matter where it is implemented in this gui stack | 10:52 |
| Pnuu | there's also a request that auto-focused text fields wouldn'ẗ pop-up the keyboard | 10:53 |
| celeron55 | there of course is an input field, but it's in irrlicht's gui system which qt and wayland have no clue about | 10:53 |
| w00t | celeron55: thp may have an idea since he has tinkered with SDL2, but basically you'll want to look at the input context Qt uses to talk to maliit (the virtual keyboard framework we use) | 10:54 |
| celeron55 | because i can't find the way to give it the clue | 10:54 |
| w00t | celeron55: the code for that lives inside maliit | 10:54 |
| celeron55 | i've been trying to find this for hours now | 10:54 |
| celeron55 | that exact thing you just described; but i can't | 10:54 |
| w00t | https://github.com/maliit/framework/tree/master/input-context | 10:55 |
| thp | w00t, celeron55: haven't played with qt's input context, but SDL2 has some API for this that just might need a backend implementation against maliit | 10:56 |
| w00t | I imagine it will | 10:56 |
| w00t | that's why I'm pointing to that | 10:57 |
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| w00t | (as that's the Qt-side of the same thing) | 10:57 |
| thp | SDL_StartTextInput(), ... | 10:57 |
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| thp | defined here: https://github.com/nemomobile-packages/libsdl/blob/wayland-rpm/include/SDL_keyboard.h | 10:59 |
| thp | the backend has to implement that as function pointers on the SDL video device structure, e.g. for android: https://github.com/nemomobile-packages/libsdl/blob/nemo/src/video/android/SDL_androidvideo.c#L129 | 11:01 |
| celeron55 | i know it has that | 11:01 |
| celeron55 | i might try implementing it there once i understand this | 11:01 |
| thp | this is where the maliit implementation in the wayland backend should go: https://github.com/nemomobile-packages/libsdl/blob/nemo/src/video/wayland/SDL_waylandvideo.c#L89 | 11:01 |
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| celeron55 | i've been browsing the sdl2 source a lot when i tried implementing my own wayland backend to irrlicht (and actually got it working too; but then i figured out how to make sdl2 itself work and discarded it) | 11:02 |
| thp | plus this might help: http://maliit.org/doc/framework/latest/architecture.html | 11:03 |
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| c0ck4m0u53 | which switches/ arguments should one append to mkfs.btrfs /dev/partition when formatting a sd card to use a btrfs file system? | 11:06 |
| c0ck4m0u53 | ooops wrong channel, my apologies:( | 11:07 |
| tango_ | pretty sure mkfs.btrfs automatically creates a btrfs | 11:08 |
| tango_ | hence the name | 11:08 |
| c0ck4m0u53 | ok ty tango_ | 11:10 |
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| thp | Venemo: nice trick with the DEFINES+=, gonna update one of my projects with that, it's indeed nicer and shorter :) | 11:24 |
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| Venemo | hey thp, glad you like it | 11:27 |
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| Venemo | thp: one more thing about qmake that might be useful for packaging is its -after parameter which works as if the given stuff were appended at the end of the pro file | 11:28 |
| Venemo | so you can completely override anything in the .pro file in your .spec | 11:28 |
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| celeron55 | thp: so, there's this https://github.com/maliit/framework/blob/master/dbus_interfaces/minputmethodserver1interface.xml and this https://github.com/maliit/framework/blob/master/connection/dbusserverconnection.cpp#L29 | 11:38 |
| celeron55 | i can't find any of those existing on the system | 11:38 |
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| Venemo | celeron55: how did you check? | 11:38 |
| celeron55 | i mean, that dbus interface | 11:38 |
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| celeron55 | at least "dbus-send --session --print-reply --dest="org.freedesktop.DBus" /org/freedesktop/DBus org.freedesktop.DBus.ListNames" doesn't list that | 11:39 |
| Venemo | mhm | 11:39 |
| celeron55 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6683995/ | 11:41 |
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| coderus | matoking: use asynchronous loader for AnimatedImage | 11:46 |
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| wickwire | Hi guys, as a starting point for developing SailfishOS native apps, what is the current best approach? | 11:51 |
| wickwire | Empty SailfishOS project + Documentation, or are there more complete examples, SailfishOS oriented? | 11:52 |
| walokra | helloworld pro template from github | 11:57 |
| ericcc | helloword wow | 12:00 |
| Venemo | wickwire: see that template walokra mentioned and also read the intro here: https://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/sailfish-silica-introduction.html | 12:01 |
| Venemo | wickwire: if you have never used QML before (on other platforms), you might also want to check the qt-project.org docs | 12:01 |
| wickwire | ok, I will, many thanks | 12:01 |
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| coderus | sailfish related is silica components gallery example | 12:05 |
| coderus | other is just qt5/quick2 development | 12:05 |
| matoking | @coderus I'll give that a try | 12:10 |
| celeron55 | also if i run maliit-exampleapp-plainqt and type stuff, nothing shows up on dbus | 12:16 |
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| celeron55 | hmm, could there be some non-default dbus session that they're using | 12:19 |
| celeron55 | at least /run/user/100000/dbus has only one | 12:19 |
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| walokra | also qmlbook.com is good | 12:30 |
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| coderus | celeron55: nemo@sailfish:~$ /usr/lib/qt5/bin/qdbus org.maliit.server /org/maliit/server/address org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties.GetAll org.maliit.server | 12:33 |
| coderus | address: unix:abstract=/tmp/maliit-server/dbus-YIGN8dhhoA,guid=11132a379cac3752501ca8b652c68c1a | 12:33 |
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| celeron55 | omg | 12:44 |
| celeron55 | dbus-send --address="unix:abstract=/tmp/maliit-server/dbus-z2Ie1f2KlM" --print-reply /com/meego/inputmethod/uiserver1 org.freedesktop.DBus.Introspectable.Introspect | 12:44 |
| celeron55 | there it is! | 12:44 |
| tango_ | OBVIOUS | 12:44 |
| tango_ | eh | 12:44 |
| celeron55 | umm... there is something | 12:44 |
| sharpneli | https://sailfishos.org/wiki/Porting/Harmattan states that Sailfish should have libsdl2. However I cannot find the package in the SDK nor the include files nor the libraries. | 12:44 |
| celeron55 | this doesn't look like the interface i was looking for | 12:44 |
| celeron55 | oh, it does | 12:44 |
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| tango_ | sharpneli: do you have the latest version of the sdk? I think you might need to enable sdl2 there | 12:45 |
| tango_ | (which I don't remember how to do) | 12:45 |
| coderus | celeron55: :) | 12:46 |
| sharpneli | tango_: Just reinstalled 20 minutes ago | 12:47 |
| Frye | harbour still having rush? Or have I messed up my Jolla again :D | 12:47 |
| Frye | Seems that the bugfix for samegame is still in the queue to the store. | 12:48 |
| sharpneli | Managed to do it. Now just to get it to actual device too | 12:49 |
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| jake9xx | Elleo: cutespotify seems to cut 1s from then end when playing playlists | 14:01 |
| jake9xx | from the end, when.. even | 14:01 |
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| Andy80 | how long does it take usually for an app to be approved in the Harbour? | 14:09 |
| Frye | I think it took me approx 2 working days and then 1-2 working days more. | 14:10 |
| Frye | For it to show up on store | 14:10 |
| Frye | But there might just be a bit of queue because of the holidays. At least my bugfix that I submitted on 24th was approved 4 days ago, and not yet in store. | 14:12 |
| jake9xx | something like that as normal queue processing | 14:12 |
| w00t | things may be a little backed up at the moment thanks to holidays (not sure, just speculating) | 14:12 |
| Frye | But there are several non-working days in between. | 14:12 |
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| Wnt | fast way to get users for your application is to push the code to github with build instructions in a README, then post the github link on the developer mailinglist :) | 14:21 |
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| jake9xx | Wnt: no, fastest way to get users is to put the rpm on f.ex dropbox and advertise the link around in SoMe | 14:22 |
| Frye | I have it on bitbucket. The first store version does not have the link as I thought it would be visible on the description on store | 14:22 |
| Frye | Since there was a field for open source project page | 14:22 |
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| M4rtinK | also if you build a package on the Mer OBS | 14:25 |
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| M4rtinK | there are about three lines (ssu ar blah.repo, pkcon refresh, pkcon install my_shiny_app) users have to paste & run | 14:26 |
| M4rtinK | and they will even get updates automatically like this :) | 14:27 |
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| Wnt | jake9xx: you might be right. Personally I would think twice before installing an RPM package from an untrusted source | 14:32 |
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| jake9xx | Wnt: sw developers are propably more aware of these isseus than random users here and there | 14:37 |
| jake9xx | I bet most of folks who download apps from apple store assume they're 100% safe as the s..t came from 'apple' | 14:38 |
| Wnt | Hmm... I need to get familar with that Mer OBS system. Looks very interesting | 14:38 |
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| Elleo | jake9xx: yep, I'm aware of that; will see about sorting it for the next release :) | 14:48 |
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| jake9xx | Elleo: 10-4, if you need testing help - just tell me | 14:54 |
| Elleo | jake9xx: thanks :) | 14:56 |
| jake9xx | at least on my playlist I have three songs that can repro the issue | 14:57 |
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| coderus | can anyone check ContextMenu with Repeater inside? Just sent to devel mailing list. | 15:29 |
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| PeterPark | the property availableDataRates for Compass is undefined in QML ? Do I need some initializing step? | 15:47 |
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| w00tc0d3 | hey | 15:50 |
| coderus | helo? | 15:50 |
| Pnuu | evening | 15:51 |
| w00tc0d3 | how can I port Sailfish to my Android phone? I ported and compiled Android ROMs to/for devices, and I want to give my Nexus 4 a shot ;) | 15:51 |
| w00tc0d3 | as far as I understand, Sailfish is Mer-based, so I have to port Mer first, Sailfish adds packages, like the GUI, to Mer | 15:52 |
| w00tc0d3 | right? | 15:52 |
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| Pnuu | w00tc0d3: https://together.jolla.com/question/4851/what-hardwaredevices-would-you-like-to-see-sailfishos-on/ | 15:55 |
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| w00tc0d3 | Pnuu: Well, that's not DYI, right? | 15:56 |
| Pnuu | no, but stskeeps is the main engineer at jolla, so there might be official(-ish) suport :-) | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | no, i'm not a main | 15:57 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:57 |
| Pnuu | close enough ;-D | 15:57 |
| Pnuu | head of skunkworks | 15:57 |
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| w00tc0d3 | faenil said, that Sailfish consists of Mer, Nemo and Jolla's proprietary GUI | 16:01 |
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| w00tc0d3 | But Nemo = Mer + GUI, right? | 16:02 |
| faenil | w00tc0d3, Nemo = Mer + Nemo MW + Nemo UI | 16:02 |
| faenil | there's a new UI for nemo which is WIP, codename Glacier | 16:02 |
| faenil | glacier -> http://play.qwazix.com/grog/?p=344 | 16:03 |
| w00tc0d3 | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo | 16:03 |
| w00tc0d3 | What's Nemo MW? (Sorry for wasting your time, if you see it that way!) | 16:03 |
| faenil | no waste :) | 16:03 |
| faenil | middleware | 16:03 |
| faenil | https://github.com/nemomobile | 16:04 |
| faenil | https://github.com/nemomobile-packages | 16:04 |
| w00tc0d3 | interesting, middleware is something additinally? Nemo adds extra applications + a UI on top of Mer? | 16:05 |
| w00tc0d3 | And Sailfish adds applications on top of Nemo? | 16:05 |
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| w00tc0d3 | Glacier looks amazing, guys | 16:06 |
| w00tc0d3 | I think I like it more than Sailfish' GUI | 16:07 |
| w00tc0d3 | faenil: ^ could you please look at my conclusion? =D | 16:07 |
| faenil | w00tc0d3, if you want to contribute to glacier please join #nemomobile :) at the moment it's mostly artwork, we're implementing the UI controls little by little, as people have some spare time | 16:08 |
| faenil | w00tc0d3, about middleware, middleware is what sits between core and ui | 16:08 |
| faenil | there's a loooot of stuff | 16:08 |
| w00tc0d3 | let's make an Android comparisation - the world where I come from - it's like the ANdroid framework? | 16:09 |
| w00tc0d3 | it sits between the Hardware Abstraction Layer | 16:09 |
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| w00tc0d3 | and the Apps | 16:09 |
| faenil | well I don't know android that much but yes, I think so | 16:11 |
| faenil | w00tc0d3, just give a look at the packages at those repositories | 16:12 |
| faenil | and you'll see what i Mean | 16:12 |
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| fk_lx | w00tc0d3: a bit off-topic, but worth reading when it comes to Nemo -> https://together.jolla.com/question/680/co-creation-leading-to-co-development/#1214 | 16:13 |
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| w00tc0d3 | fk_lx: I don't understand, Jolla helps Nemo, because it relies on Nemo, and in my eyes, it seems logical that Nemo gets less open then | 16:22 |
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| john24 | hey guys | 16:34 |
| john24 | I wanted to ask a question about jolla store and app updates | 16:35 |
| john24 | i've submited an app to the harbour and it's still in QA but since then I've improved my app and added new features | 16:35 |
| john24 | do i need to change anything in qt creator for it to work as an update? | 16:35 |
| john24 | like version number or something? | 16:36 |
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| Jonni | john24: version number needs to increase on each time or it wont pass QA | 16:37 |
| john24 | sorry for noob question | 16:37 |
| john24 | where do i change that? | 16:37 |
| john24 | in .spec file? | 16:37 |
| Jonni | yes in yaml or spec file | 16:37 |
| john24 | it doesn't matter which? | 16:38 |
| Jonni | if you have both then yaml (as it automaticly is supposed to update spec), but if you dont have yaml, then spec | 16:38 |
| Jonni | or if you want to be sure, you can update same version to both files | 16:39 |
| john24 | is there any place to put a chnagelog? | 16:39 |
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| tango_ | ah PLEASE have changelogs for app updates | 16:42 |
| tango_ | PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE | 16:42 |
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| john24 | oh so there actually isn't a changelog space for apps? | 16:43 |
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| juke__ | i'm porting an app from harmattan to sailfish and i'm having trouble getting it started. it compiles and deploys but the only output is http://pastebin.com/BVvNkjtR and nothing shows on screen. http://pastebin.com/tPpSMrY6 is the main function. there's probably something wrong there, but i can't figure it out | 16:47 |
| sharpneli | Oh man. I was banging my head against the wall for awhile with SDL2 and didn't notice until just now that the SDL2 in sailfish is the ancient 2.0.0 instead of 2.0.1 :E | 16:48 |
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| Jonni | juke__: well 1st of all setContextProperty needs be called before qml is loaded | 16:49 |
| Jonni | so you need to move line 7 to line 12 | 16:49 |
| Jonni | scratch that | 16:50 |
| Jonni | you need to createa view, but you need to load the qml at later phase | 16:50 |
| juke__ | ok | 16:50 |
| pcfe | speaking of version, when I push a spec file plus tarball into OBS as per http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_Tutorial , the Release tag I set gets overwritten. Now I do not mind this, but how do I find out, before the commit, what the release tag will be (so that my changelog date lines can end in <version>-<release> in my spec file) | 16:50 |
| pcfe | (OBS being build.merproject.org) | 16:52 |
| Jonni | juke__: something like this https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2013-November/001168.html | 16:52 |
| juke__ | ok, thanks, i'll try that | 16:52 |
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| celeron55 | okay so now i made some code that connects similarly to the maliit server and does a call to there; it appears to run fine but nothing visible happens on the screen: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6685614/ | 16:53 |
| celeron55 | it attempts to clone what is done in these (and a few other places): https://github.com/maliit/framework/blob/master/connection/dbusserverconnection.cpp#L76 https://github.com/maliit/framework/blob/master/input-context/minputcontext.cpp | 16:54 |
| fk_lx | w00tc0d3: yeah, but it was open more earlier | 16:54 |
| fk_lx | w00tc0d3: I just don't like source open approach ;-) On Slush 2012 there was mentioned that Jolla in contrast to others (hint: read Samsung&Intel) is doing open source not source open | 16:55 |
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| juke__ | Jonni, some documentation reads SailfishApp::application and some Sailfish::createApplication etc. where can the Sailfish class be found? | 16:58 |
| juke__ | also the sdk uses QApplication in its documentation | 17:00 |
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| sharpneli | Basic window creation test does not work in Sailfish device. The program doesn't crash but also nothing is visible on the screen. Same program works perfectly on a desktop computer (pure SDL2) | 17:01 |
| john24 | thanks for the help guys :) have a nice evening | 17:02 |
| sharpneli | I was able to go all the way until the most trivial test from SDL wiki and it doesn't work http://wiki.libsdl.org/SDL_CreateWindow :p | 17:02 |
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| celeron55 | sharpneli: i was having the same problem but then it somehow went away | 17:04 |
| celeron55 | try giving it a size and making it not fullscreen or whatever | 17:04 |
| sharpneli | I'll try that | 17:05 |
| celeron55 | my SDL2 code exists as an irrlicht backend so it's a bit hard to rip out from there to show it | 17:05 |
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| celeron55 | if you want to input text in your sdl2 thing, then you're going to bang your head in the same thing i'm banging my head into now | 17:07 |
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| celeron55 | which is trying to get the virtual keyboard to come up | 17:07 |
| celeron55 | it's a real bitch | 17:07 |
| celeron55 | to talk lightly | 17:08 |
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| coderus | Is there any paste service supporting QML syntax? | 17:19 |
| sharpneli | I shall attempt to avoid it then. As a sidenote it's a shame that SDL doesn't provide standard api for accelerometer | 17:20 |
| celeron55 | i recommend trying to do it so that i'm not the only one trying to figure this out | 17:21 |
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| celeron55 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6685783/ | 17:22 |
| celeron55 | that is my current test code and some references are these: https://github.com/maliit/framework/blob/master/connection/dbusserverconnection.cpp#L76 https://github.com/maliit/framework/blob/master/input-context/minputcontext.cpp http://www.maliit.org/doc/framework/0.80/ | 17:23 |
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| celeron55 | that code runs fine but nothing happens | 17:25 |
| coderus | CODE: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6685810/ not working. any ideas? | 17:27 |
| sharpneli | celeron55: I'll check the keyb if I need it. For now I pretty much just need some crossplatform input and ES2 context creation. | 17:27 |
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| celeron55 | touch input works, but in irrlicht i use irrlicht's internal ogles stuff and just get the wayland surface from SDL and go with wl_egl_window_create from there | 17:33 |
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| celeron55 | coderus: if you look at the code hilighter on that pastebin, you see the error 8) | 17:37 |
| celeron55 | (at least *an* error; but you probably noticed that already) | 17:37 |
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| coderus | celeron55: this is just copypaste to pastebin error | 17:43 |
| coderus | i have more code inside signals handlers | 17:43 |
| coderus | just cutted to show main problem | 17:43 |
| coderus | none of console.log are executed for me | 17:44 |
| coderus | -- question: -- is there any ready to use way to read EXIF properties from images in sailfish? | 17:45 |
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| leszek | hi | 17:45 |
| coderus | hello? | 17:45 |
| leszek | any possibility to set the pixelratio for webview ? It seems the feature was removed from Qt.Experimental and the default one on sailfish is wronly set I guess as the fonts in webview are ways too small | 17:48 |
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| celeron55 | what about page()->setViewportSize() or something? | 17:54 |
| leszek | celeron55: accessible directly via qml or do I need to code this in c++ is the main question here | 17:55 |
| Jonni | coderus: libexif is on on sailfish device?:) | 17:56 |
| celeron55 | hmm, well, something similar to that | 17:57 |
| coderus | Jonni: thanks :) | 17:58 |
| celeron55 | that was from the C++ docs so i don't know; never used anything related to this anyway | 17:58 |
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| Tumeez | What is command to reset dalvik? | 17:59 |
| coderus | Jonni: and libexif not allowed to harbour as usual? | 17:59 |
| coderus | Tumeez: i'm not sure, but i saw something in last update release notes | 18:00 |
| coderus | systemctl restart dalvikvm.service or so | 18:00 |
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| Tumeez | I mean, my android softwares says "No internet connections" | 18:00 |
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| Tumeez | coderus Why new messager not show under nicknames? Only status update. | 18:04 |
| coderus | Tumeez: че? | 18:05 |
| coderus | Tumeez: ah, talking about mitakuuluu? | 18:05 |
| Tumeez | ? I don't speak Russian :D | 18:05 |
| coderus | Tumeez: https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu/issues/63 | 18:05 |
| Tumeez | Yeah. | 18:05 |
| coderus | I have nice bugtracker on github, please dont ignore it :) | 18:06 |
| Tumeez | :) | 18:06 |
| Tumeez | I don't know about that | 18:06 |
| Tumeez | It is nice. | 18:06 |
| Tumeez | Than you to doing Mitäkuuluu! :) | 18:06 |
| Tumeez | Thanks* | 18:07 |
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| coderus | cant add linebreaks in mailto: body field and cant add attachments using attach property | 18:29 |
| coderus | this is bad :( | 18:30 |
| coderus | i wanted to make button opening mail clent with filled fields and attach to send logs to me directly from application | 18:31 |
| coderus | eh :( | 18:34 |
| coderus | i want xclip analogue for nemo :D | 18:37 |
| tango_ | coderus: oh would be so nice | 18:39 |
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| coderus | tango_: which one? | 18:40 |
| coderus | i have too many ideas per minute :D | 18:41 |
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| tango_ | coderus: xclip | 18:43 |
| coderus | tango_: :) | 18:44 |
| coderus | just qt cli wrapper will be okay too | 18:44 |
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| coderus | URGENT | 18:48 |
| coderus | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6686280/ | 18:48 |
| coderus | help me figure out why i not see any of there console logs outputs? | 18:48 |
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| pyksy | missing console.log( from inside last if | 18:55 |
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| coderus | pyksy: ignore that typo | 19:01 |
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| coderus | no ideas? | 19:04 |
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| leszek | coderus: not really. Is there no other error when you click on one menu item like index not found or so ? Otherwise is a console.debug() working if you execute it via Component.onCompleted from within the repeater ? | 19:06 |
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| coderus | leszek: no errors or any other output | 19:08 |
| coderus | combo working itself | 19:08 |
| leszek | hmm... strange | 19:08 |
| coderus | item name changed in ui | 19:08 |
| leszek | is the console logging working in general (I had once the problem that I did not see any output of console.log or console.debug and restart mersdk and qtcreator to make it work) | 19:09 |
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| coderus | i see any other output except that | 19:11 |
| Venemo | hi | 19:11 |
| mfulz | how can I see the console.log() when developing? | 19:12 |
| leszek | coderus: perhaps I would try something different. Try adding a signal and catch that signal somewhere in the parent of that and try to output the index from there. Maybe this will work | 19:13 |
| coderus | mfulz: in sdout | 19:13 |
| coderus | mfulz: qtc should show it in application output tab | 19:14 |
| coderus | mfulz: or just start executable in terminal | 19:14 |
| leszek | mfulz: normally qtcreator opens up (it does this automatically) the standardoutput underneath the code window | 19:14 |
| mfulz | ah no I can't start any exec in qtc | 19:14 |
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| mfulz | ok from cli is fine | 19:14 |
| mfulz | thanks | 19:14 |
| coderus | okay, signals not working when combobox opening in other page when too many items. for shots in-page combobox all fine. | 19:19 |
| coderus | ideas? | 19:19 |
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| Pnuu | https://together.jolla.com/question/9663/app-api-model/ | 19:39 |
| coderus | onCuttentItemChanged working, yahoo! | 19:39 |
| Pnuu | https://together.jolla.com/question/9670/api-security-model/ | 19:39 |
| coderus | its the only one signal working in this case :D | 19:39 |
| Pnuu | go'n'comment :-) | 19:39 |
| coderus | Pnuu: okay | 19:40 |
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| celeron55 | ohsit | 19:48 |
| celeron55 | ohshit* | 19:48 |
| celeron55 | this maliit problem could be due to jolla-keyboard | 19:48 |
| pp_ | android would be so much better if you could individually remove capabilities from apps (and maybe get a popup if it actually uses them for invading your privacy) | 19:48 |
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| celeron55 | ...which is closed source | 19:50 |
| celeron55 | the repo doesn't have any other virtual keyboard it seems, at least any that would work | 19:51 |
| celeron55 | ideas | 19:51 |
| celeron55 | ? | 19:51 |
| coderus | celeron55: just draw own keyboard as workaround | 19:51 |
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| celeron55 | bah, i don't need to get anyrhing ready, and that's ugly | 19:51 |
| Elleo | celeron55: you could probably grab the nemo keyboard easily enough | 19:51 |
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| celeron55 | anything* | 19:51 |
| celeron55 | it seems maliit-plugins has nemo keyboard | 19:53 |
| celeron55 | but for some reason it doesn't seem to work | 19:54 |
| celeron55 | it just doesn't come up | 19:55 |
| celeron55 | oh, uh | 19:55 |
| celeron55 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6686703/ | 19:56 |
| celeron55 | this is me trying to use it | 19:56 |
| celeron55 | so yeah, it's borked | 19:56 |
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| celeron55 | hmm, this probably requires actual opengl and won't work with gles | 20:23 |
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| celeron55 | this is how it looks in valgrind: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6686909/ | 20:34 |
| celeron55 | not very useful output | 20:34 |
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| mfulz | is someone aware of dbus usage? especially dicts | 21:06 |
| mfulz | I want to test something on the cli before working in qt but don't know how to format the dict for connman :( | 21:06 |
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| datakurre | Hi, have someone used pyotherside beyond gpodder? | 21:09 |
| tbr | mfulz: try listening first? as root you should be able to see all messages on the system bus | 21:09 |
| datakurre | I'm experiencing random startup segfaults with pyotherside, but they go away when running with strace... | 21:10 |
| tbr | datakurre: I guess thp might be able to help | 21:11 |
| datakurre | tbr: Ok. Thanks. | 21:12 |
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| mfulz | tbr: the messages doesn't help me really. What I'm trying is using the net.connman.vpn.Manager.Create method for testing creation of a new vpn connection | 21:19 |
| mfulz | but it doesn't matter what I'm trying to pass to the dbus-send command as dict I'm getting an error | 21:20 |
| mfulz | a.e.: Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method "Create" with signature "a{ss}" on interface "net.connman.vpn.Manager" doesn't exist | 21:20 |
| mfulz | here there is nothing mentioned how to format the dict of the method: http://git.kernel.org/cgit/network/connman/connman.git/tree/doc/vpn-manager-api.txt?id=HEAD | 21:21 |
| coderus | mfulz: you just cant send QVariantMap with dbus-send :) | 21:23 |
| coderus | mfulz: use QDBusInterface in your application | 21:23 |
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| mfulz | ah so I can't test the whole with dbus-send? | 21:26 |
| mfulz | and directly need to code it? | 21:26 |
| mfulz | I just wanted to try it from cli for testing | 21:26 |
| coderus | mfulz: yes, you need to code | 21:27 |
| mfulz | ok thanks for the info | 21:27 |
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| suy | well, there is qdbus in some package | 21:46 |
| suy | it even contains qdbusviewer, but is unusable, since is widgets :) | 21:46 |
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| suy | qdbus is less picky than dbus-send, I think | 21:46 |
| suy | with bash completion, it even introspects :) | 21:46 |
| mfulz | how do I need to compile with qtdbus? | 21:52 |
| mfulz | error: QDBusInterface: No such file or directory | 21:52 |
| mfulz | ah found it: #include <QtDBus/QDBusInterface> | 21:54 |
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| khertan | Hi | 21:56 |
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| khertan | I m currently using a TextArea with a QSyntaxHighligher, but how from my QSyntaxHighligter i can retrieve the primaryColor and secondaryColor to respect the Ambiance theme ? | 21:58 |
| khertan | getting it from qml and send it to my c code | 21:58 |
| khertan | look like i m tired | 21:58 |
| khertan | :) | 21:58 |
| Yaniel | ey khertan | 21:59 |
| suy | mfulz: I would not prefix includes with QtDBus... Just use the proper QT+=dbus | 22:00 |
| suy | If you use <QtXxxx/QClass> code will break if things get moved to another module. And code could not be reused in Qt4 (or Qt6 :P) | 22:01 |
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| jpnurmi | khertan: do you have access to the syntax highlighter from qml? | 22:13 |
| super_hirsute | I'm trying to set a property in a ListElement in QML by calling a function in C++. Something like: ListElement { name: "XXX"; path: myObj.getString()} where myObj is in C++. Doing this gives "ListElement: cannot use script for property value". So am I going about this the wrong way? | 22:15 |
| suy | super_hirsute: interesting. What type returns getString() ? | 22:20 |
| super_hirsute | QString | 22:20 |
| khertan | jpnurmi, not directly, i ve access to a DocumentHandler ... and QSyntaxHighlighter(DocumentHandler) | 22:21 |
| suy | super_hirsute: By value, no pointer or reference? | 22:21 |
| mfulz | suy: thanks found that option after some time of googling as well | 22:21 |
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| super_hirsute | suy: By value yes | 22:22 |
| mfulz | was first trying CONFIG += dbus but then hit QT += dbus | 22:22 |
| coderus | super_hirsute: suy you cannot use functions in ListElement | 22:25 |
| coderus | ListElement is predefined values | 22:25 |
| coderus | you might need to use Component.onCompleted: { .. fill model using listModel.append({ name: "XXX"; path: myObj.getString() }) .. } | 22:27 |
| suy | oh, because is part of the model? I didn't realize that | 22:27 |
| super_hirsute | coderus: thanks I'll look into that | 22:27 |
| coderus | suy: yes, ListModel creates by const values | 22:28 |
| mfulz | does someone know how the iface.callWithArgumentList(QDBus::Block, "Create", QList<QVariant>); qlist should look like? | 22:28 |
| coderus | ListElement* sorry | 22:28 |
| suy | coderus: makes sense | 22:28 |
| coderus | mfulz: iface->call(QDBus::AutoDetect, "Create", myQvariantMapVariable); | 22:29 |
| coderus | mfulz: Create need QVariantMap value, not QList<T> | 22:29 |
| suy | mfulz: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/D-Bus/Accessing_Interfaces#Using_QDBusInterface | 22:29 |
| mfulz | coderus: thanks | 22:33 |
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| mfulz | and the map is just the key:value pairs? like "Type":"OpenVPN", etc. | 22:34 |
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| super_hirsute | coderus: using Component.onCompleted(...) worked a treat. Just had replace the semi colon between property names with a comma. thanks again | 22:38 |
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| coderus | mfulz: map is pairs. which values i have no idea :) | 22:47 |
| coderus | super_hirsute: yeah, comma :) | 22:47 |
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| khertan | ouch look like i ve a nasty bugs | 23:12 |
| khertan | look like TextArea didn't update everything from the QSyntaxHighlighter (http://github.com/khertan/ownNotes/) | 23:13 |
| khertan | or markContentsDirty isn't enough to force TextArea to update | 23:15 |
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| mfulz | dunno about TextArea but for listview layoutAboutToBeChange() and layoutChanged() are needed | 23:40 |
| khertan | mfulz, there is no such methods :) | 23:50 |
| khertan | nor Signal | 23:50 |
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