| celeron55 | making some rpms is not a problem compared to trying to make the build of a complex application coming from desktop linux work | 00:00 |
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| MSameer | celeron55: i use emacs + sb2 directly + a sailfish rootstrap and do my testing on the actua phone | 00:00 |
| MSameer | actual | 00:00 |
| lbt | at the end of the day the SDK is designed to make rpm store apps | 00:00 |
| MSameer | so it is doable | 00:00 |
| lbt | MSameer: do you know how to get debug symbols working in that situation | 00:01 |
| MSameer | celeron55: lbt all we need is a way to get sailfish rootstrap from the sdk installer | 00:01 |
| MSameer | lbt: i ssh to the phone and run gdb | 00:01 |
| lbt | MSameer: symbols | 00:01 |
| MSameer | i zypper in them :P | 00:01 |
| MSameer | but it should be possible with gdbserver too | 00:01 |
| lbt | OK - it seems to work for me here too on normal SDK | 00:02 |
| celeron55 | hmm, so i'm going to read up on sb2 next | 00:02 |
| MSameer | celeron55: first you need to set up mer sdk | 00:02 |
| MSameer | everything else will be on top of that | 00:03 |
| lbt | MSameer: I had fights over making the various bits of the SDK installable and community hacker friendly :) | 00:03 |
| celeron55 | how does the sailfish sdk relate to mer sdk? | 00:03 |
| celeron55 | is it like a stripped-down version? | 00:03 |
| MSameer | celeron55: sailfish sdk = qt creator + build vm + emulator vm + mer platform sdk + sailfish rootstrap IIRC | 00:04 |
| lbt | no - it's a fairly vanilla SDK with some forked packages | 00:04 |
| lbt | what MSameer says | 00:04 |
| celeron55 | so it should work as-is? | 00:04 |
| MSameer | celeron55: have you used scratchbox before? | 00:04 |
| celeron55 | no; the last few days is the first time i've heard the name | 00:04 |
| MSameer | celeron55: if you ssh to the build vm then you can access sb2 directly and do your stuff | 00:04 |
| MSameer | celeron55: so scratchbox is a "cross compilation toolkit" | 00:05 |
| MSameer | lbt: too bad you did not win the fight | 00:05 |
| MSameer | celeron55: it's like a chroot which contains one or more tarballs | 00:05 |
| MSameer | not sure how to explain it | 00:06 |
| celeron55 | i've been using the VMs directly already for various things, but i've built everything so far with failfish's qtcreator; the exact connection between those is very opaque | 00:06 |
| lbt | MSameer: indeed | 00:06 |
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| celeron55 | it's hard to see what exactly is happening altough looking at the results and the environment is trivial | 00:06 |
| MSameer | i don't know how qtcreator does its black magic. I don't use it :/ | 00:06 |
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| lbt | it runs an ssh command into the VM | 00:07 |
| lbt | that's it | 00:07 |
| lbt | then it uses mb2 like I keep telling people to do | 00:07 |
| lbt | so now ssh is 'black magic' :) | 00:07 |
| MSameer | i don't use mb2. I use obs :p | 00:08 |
| celeron55 | is there a way to see what exact commands it runs? often you see error messages but don't know what commands they were caused by | 00:08 |
| suy | what's mb2? I know sb2 is scratchbox, right? | 00:08 |
| lbt | when QtC wants to run 'make' it does 'ssh BE mb2 make' | 00:08 |
| lbt | when QtC wants to run 'qmake' it does 'ssh BE mb2 qmake' | 00:08 |
| lbt | suy: https://github.com/sailfish-sdk/sdk-setup/blob/master/sdk-setup/src/mb2 | 00:08 |
| lbt | it's a wrapper that runs sb2 and then rpmbuild | 00:09 |
| suy | ok | 00:09 |
| lbt | suy: our version of rpmbuild has some phase-control tweaks | 00:09 |
| MSameer | looks handy | 00:09 |
| lbt | so you can say 'just run build phase' | 00:09 |
| lbt | or just run rpm assembly phase | 00:09 |
| lbt | also it supports build-in-place which allows build-in-shadow-dir | 00:10 |
| lbt | that nicely supports incremental make | 00:10 |
| lbt | eg this is how qmake is run https://github.com/sailfish-sdk/sdk-setup/blob/master/sdk-setup/src/mb2#L291 | 00:11 |
| lbt | which also explains the mandatory magic macros in the spec file | 00:11 |
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| celeron55 | hmm, still one question: how is the build vm started in sailfish sdk's qtcreator? | 00:16 |
| celeron55 | i mean, what commands does it run | 00:17 |
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| lbt | https://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch08.html#vboxmanage-startvm | 00:18 |
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| Venemo | lbt: what's the version of g++ in the SDK? | 01:02 |
| suy | Venemo: 4.6 | 01:02 |
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| Venemo | why does it say this? | 01:03 |
| Venemo | cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-std=c++11" | 01:03 |
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| celeron55 | 4.6 knows only -std=c++0x | 01:04 |
| Venemo | great | 01:04 |
| suy | Venemo: use CONFIG+=c++11, and the switch will work automatically | 01:04 |
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| celeron55 | okay so, apparently i'm too dumb to get cmake to work with scratchbox even while cmake's documentation says "What about Scratchbox ? CMake should work without problems in scratchbox, then it will just work in native mode." | 01:05 |
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| Venemo | I will never get why these guys enjoy working with archaic versions of software | 01:05 |
| Venemo | thanks suy | 01:05 |
| Venemo | :) | 01:05 |
| celeron55 | if i "just" run it using scratchbox, i get "CMake Error: CMake executable cannot be found at /cmake" | 01:05 |
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| suy | Venemo: if I recall properly, to be aligned with linaro toolchain | 01:05 |
| suy | Venemo: and... consider yourself lucky. At work I use gcc 4.1 :-P | 01:06 |
| Venemo | I have 4.8 on my laptop | 01:06 |
| suy | celeron55: I have not much idea bout this stuff, but I've found a thread on the ML that might be useful: https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2013-December/002175.html | 01:09 |
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| celeron55 | qmake works fine though; cmake is kind of wonky sometimes | 01:12 |
| celeron55 | is there some way to include or not include things in sb2?, like, qmake was originally installed in this but i installed cmake only later | 01:13 |
| celeron55 | seems like so | 01:16 |
| celeron55 | but... howw | 01:20 |
| celeron55 | i see references to "osc" but nothing tells me precisely enough if it exists for this purpose or not | 01:22 |
| celeron55 | "Contact David or Niels to request access to https://api.pub.meego.com" wat | 01:23 |
| celeron55 | this doesn't really sound like something that you'd need to do to build something with cmake | 01:24 |
| Elleo | celeron55: that's the old meego OBS (Open Build System) (https://build.merproject.org/ is the new Mer one); it basically takes RPM specs and compiles them in virtual machines for whatever platforms you're interested in | 01:27 |
| celeron55 | so is it needed for installing build tools? | 01:31 |
| Elleo | no | 01:36 |
| Elleo | it's a completely separate way of building things | 01:37 |
| celeron55 | i need a working cmake in my scratchbox environment; how can i get it? | 01:37 |
| Elleo | everything happens on the remote build machines, as opposed to having a local scratchbox vm where you build stuff yourself | 01:37 |
| celeron55 | if i simply do sudo zypper install cmake, it's broken; i admit i don't really understand what's going on or whether it should work | 01:38 |
| Elleo | if simply installing cmake inside scratchbox doesn't work then I don't know | 01:38 |
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| Elleo | in what way is it broken? | 01:38 |
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| celeron55 | it's broken in the way cmake breaks when it hates you the most | 01:39 |
| celeron55 | "CMake Error: CMake executable cannot be found at /cmake" | 01:39 |
| celeron55 | it can't find itself | 01:39 |
| celeron55 | that's when it's run under sb2 | 01:40 |
| Elleo | hang on, I'll start my buildvm and have a poke for myself | 01:40 |
| celeron55 | if i run it directly on the virtual machine, it works, but obviously is useless for my purposes | 01:40 |
| Elleo | celeron55: what are you trying to compile? | 01:43 |
| celeron55 | anything that uses cmake | 01:45 |
| celeron55 | the error occurs without trying to compile anything at all; just run "cb2 cmake" | 01:45 |
| celeron55 | and on the other hand "cmake" | 01:45 |
| Elleo | works fine for me | 01:46 |
| Elleo | well, sb2 cmake | 01:46 |
| celeron55 | oh sb2 of course 8) | 01:46 |
| Elleo | and I managed to get it to generate and build from a trivial CMakeLists.txt | 01:46 |
| celeron55 | uhm... then the question is, what's wrong with this buildvm | 01:46 |
| celeron55 | this is the one that comes in the sailfish sdk | 01:47 |
| Elleo | yes | 01:47 |
| Elleo | although I didn't install cmake via zypper directly, I used the sdk control centre for that | 01:47 |
| Elleo | and I've only tested with an arm target, but presumably that's what you're interested in anyway | 01:48 |
| celeron55 | oh | 01:49 |
| celeron55 | oh yeah, it's broken for any target | 01:50 |
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| celeron55 | i removed it and installed it now using the control centre; now it works | 01:54 |
| celeron55 | what does this control centre do? it seems odd to be able to do this kind of thing only in the GUI | 01:56 |
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| Elleo | I'm not sure what it does differently other than keeping files synced with qt creator | 01:57 |
| Elleo | presumably there's some other difference if you've encountering this issue though | 01:57 |
| Elleo | lbt might know more, iirc he worked on that stuff for a while | 01:58 |
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| Nicd- | coderus: is mitakuuluu source available anywhere? I'm interested on how you did the quick-scrolling bar that has the ball on it | 07:05 |
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| suy | Nicd-: he said it will be once is stable. | 08:05 |
| suy | But I'm curious too about that, since such thing is not in the components gallery (my favourite go-to place for learning how to do things :-P) | 08:05 |
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| Venemo | how do I make a button NOT steal the focus from a TextField? | 09:41 |
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| Venemo | btw, should bug reports about Silica also go to together | 09:43 |
| hoelzro | has anyone seen the following error when trying to use acceptDestination with a dialog? | 09:44 |
| hoelzro | "Warning: cannot pop while transition is in progress" | 09:44 |
| hoelzro | it's preventing me from accepting/rejecting the dialog | 09:45 |
| Jonni | hoelzro: usually that happens if you have extra pop() in your code | 09:47 |
| hoelzro | hmm | 09:48 |
| hoelzro | I don't think I have an explicit pop anywhere | 09:48 |
| Jonni | maybe search/grep if there is any pops :) | 09:48 |
| hoelzro | I will! | 09:48 |
| hoelzro | I just have to wait until I get home =/ | 09:49 |
| Jonni | atleast on developer mailing list someone complained the same, and in the end he found that there was a pop() forgotten in the code. | 09:49 |
| hoelzro | (I wanted to ask during peak hours so I got a good answer =) ) | 09:49 |
| hoelzro | ah ha | 09:49 |
| hoelzro | is there a good search interface for the mailing list? | 09:49 |
| hoelzro | other than download the archives and grepping, that is =) | 09:49 |
| Jonni | hoelzro: usually google search like: "site:lists.sailfishos.org pop" or "site:lists.sailfishos.org [searchstring]" | 09:51 |
| hoelzro | ah, good idea | 09:51 |
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| coderus | Nicd-: core sources not, but i can push QML side to github :) | 10:07 |
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| coderus | pushed Mitakuuluu QML side to github | 10:18 |
| coderus | https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu | 10:18 |
| matoking | @Coderus You are really fast at updating the application | 10:24 |
| matoking | I have the version 0.1-6 and until recently I thought it was up-to-date | 10:24 |
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| * tango_ cursious now about why not core sources | 10:32 | |
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| Andy80 | is it possible to update the .rpm file while I'm waiting for a QA on a previously submitted package? | 10:35 |
| coderus | tango_: because i dont want forking my project and having application clones :) | 10:37 |
| nahkiss | coderus: I send you some beer money few days ago, thanks for your amazing work on MitaKuuluu | 10:37 |
| coderus | when i finish all main functions i'll push core to opensource too :) | 10:37 |
| coderus | nahkiss: thank you :) | 10:37 |
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| coderus | i'm still curious: why Qt0Feedback? Why not Qt5Feedback? | 10:39 |
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| fk_lx | Andy80: probably depends if you have info that the file is locked or sth | 10:40 |
| fk_lx | Andy80: I recall sth like that | 10:40 |
| Andy80 | fk_lx: what is sth ? | 10:41 |
| coderus | something :) | 10:41 |
| stephg | something, probably | 10:41 |
| fk_lx | well go to harbour | 10:41 |
| Andy80 | ok :) | 10:41 |
| fk_lx | and check what is written there | 10:41 |
| fk_lx | there is sth like a mention that app is now locked for QA | 10:42 |
| Andy80 | doubt solved | 10:42 |
| Andy80 | I was still able to delete the rpm and upload a new one | 10:42 |
| Andy80 | :) | 10:42 |
| tortoisedoc | Andy80: most likely that will cause QA to restart? | 10:43 |
| Andy80 | tortoisedoc: not a problem... | 10:43 |
| Andy80 | tortoisedoc: better than having an older build published | 10:44 |
| tortoisedoc | Andy80 : make 'em swet I say ;() | 10:44 |
| tortoisedoc | * ;) | 10:44 |
| Andy80 | p.s: in any case you don't want to wait the QA https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/835341/sailsoma/harbour-sailsoma-0.2.3-1.armv7hl.rpm :) | 10:44 |
| tortoisedoc | any good suggestion for ad services to use? | 10:46 |
| tortoisedoc | seems SMAATO has a QT sdk, but according to various sources they suck as a ad agency | 10:46 |
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| tortoisedoc | btw congrats jolla for ranking 5th in DNA sales last month :) | 10:55 |
| ShadowJK | Didn't know they'd have so many to sell | 10:55 |
| ShadowJK | very impressive | 10:56 |
| tortoisedoc | yeah nice result considering the holiday seasons were on, they must have sold a good number :) | 10:56 |
| fk_lx | don't want to throw cold bucket with water, but maybe let's wait how the sales will shape in the comming months | 10:56 |
| tortoisedoc | even more impressive considering it is a "beta" phone | 10:56 |
| tortoisedoc | fk_lx : of course, but it is not a bad start | 10:57 |
| tortoisedoc | compare it to BB :P | 10:57 |
| tortoisedoc | that's a bad start | 10:57 |
| fk_lx | tortoisedoc: of course, I'm looking forward to their success, but I am agains hoorah-optimism :-) | 10:57 |
| tortoisedoc | fk_lx : Yeah, me too, just celebrating the 5th place (I am quite surprised) | 10:58 |
| stephg | fk_lx: how about cautious optimism ;) | 10:58 |
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| metallisto | coderus: Good work with MitaKuuluu. Wouldn't it be also great to integrate the core into account's and messages from sailfish? | 11:02 |
| tango_ | metallisto: I'm not sure it can be done. is the account/presence api open? | 11:03 |
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| tortoisedoc | tango_ : maybe open, but not accepted in store? | 11:04 |
| tortoisedoc | (not yet at least) | 11:04 |
| tortoisedoc | same as with transfer-engine :/ | 11:04 |
| metallisto | No.. I think this must be contributed to nemo then | 11:05 |
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| metallisto | I'm not sure. But I really like this concept. It's pity when future services would not be part of it. | 11:08 |
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| coderus | metallisto: oh... https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu/issues/38 | 11:18 |
| metallisto | I think here it is: https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-qml-plugin-social | 11:18 |
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| metallisto | coderus: Aah.. understand. thanks. I will vote for it ;) | 11:21 |
| stephg | voted! | 11:22 |
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| valdur55 | How can i restart homescreen? | 11:36 |
| coderus | systemctl restart lipstick.service | 11:39 |
| Venemo | w00t: for an app that actually needs to do something in the background every X minutes, what's the right way to do it? | 11:40 |
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| metallisto | Venemo: But you mean while the app is running? Maybe a thread with a loop and sleep? | 11:45 |
| Venemo | metallisto: I mean when the device is sleeping | 11:45 |
| Jonni | Venemo: if you mean that it needs to do stuff even when suspended, then only way is libiphb | 11:46 |
| Jonni | (thats what alarm clock is using for example) | 11:46 |
| Venemo | Jonni: libiphb is not documented, can you give me a clue on how to use it? | 11:47 |
| Jonni | Venemo: https://github.com/nemomobile/libiphb not that well documentet, tests directory has few examples. | 11:47 |
| Jonni | and in futre we might release qt / qml api for it, but thats still under works.... | 11:47 |
| Jonni | future even | 11:47 |
| Elessar | friends, what is a best way to investigate why application's rendering sometimes is so slow? | 11:47 |
| Venemo | Jonni: the readme is empty | 11:48 |
| coderus | Elessar: rendering? | 11:48 |
| Jonni | Venemo: only hint would be to read tests dir for 3 examples | 11:48 |
| Venemo | Jonni: although it seems the header has a lot of comments | 11:48 |
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| Venemo | Jonni: also, it's a C library! | 11:49 |
| Jonni | Venemo: I know. Internally we have C++ and QML version which uses libiphb, but that API has not been finalized yet, so unfortunately its not public yet. | 11:50 |
| Venemo | why isn't that on the nemomobile github? | 11:50 |
| Elessar | coderus: animation sometimes is slow, I've enabled visualization of frames frequency in developer's settings and there are 'sometimes' a lot of red frames | 11:50 |
| Jonni | Venemo: because implementation will change and that code needs cleanup so you wont use forks to your eyes for things that you want to unsee when you read the sources :) | 11:51 |
| Elessar | coderus: I want to understand the reasons and fix it | 11:51 |
| Jonni | qml profiler? :) | 11:52 |
| Venemo | Jonni: well, this is not a nice approach, I'd still publish it on the nemo github | 11:52 |
| Venemo | Jonni: considering the API unstable and disallowing in harbour is one thing, but developing it as closed source for no reason is quite another | 11:54 |
| Jonni | Venemo: maybe suggest c++ / qml api for libiphb in together, if it gets many votes it might get higher priority in publish queue | 11:54 |
| Venemo | Jonni: I don't understand why it was even developed closed? | 11:55 |
| Jonni | well if people use that api in a bad way it would also kill battery life | 11:55 |
| Venemo | sure but why isn't it in Nemo | 11:55 |
| Venemo | man, this really starts feeling like Tizen | 11:55 |
| Elessar | Jonni: will try, thanks | 11:55 |
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| Jonni | Venemo: well atleast I dont usually put my personal projects in gitbub untill they somewhat are in working condition with a source code that people dont laugh at when they see it, maybe its just coders pride :) | 11:58 |
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| Jonni | and I havent been following the progress on that, but afaik even nemomobile has some gatekeeping that they dont accept random libraries without a valid usecase and maintainer. | 11:59 |
| KhertanAtwork | Hello ! | 11:59 |
| Venemo | Jonni: I do the same but I also don't ship a device with code that isn't in a somewhat working condition | 11:59 |
| Jonni | :) | 11:59 |
| KhertanAtwork | Python Python Python Python Python .... | 11:59 |
| KhertanAtwork | ... sorry | 11:59 |
| KhertanAtwork | :) | 11:59 |
| Venemo | Jonni: anyway, making a Qt wrapper and a QML binding for anything is such a trivial task that I don't see how it could possibly go wrong, so - at least in this case - this is a pretty bad excuse | 12:00 |
| coderus | Elessar: heavy background work on page load maybe? | 12:01 |
| valdur55 | restart graphical.target << is better | 12:03 |
| Jonni | Venemo: just a wild guess that original author made is as proof of concept and he doesnt want to maintain it. And finding someone to productize it and have maintenance burden takes some time... Or do I see hands raising that Venamo wants to be mainter in nemomobile for that library :) | 12:03 |
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| Venemo | Jonni: if I saw the code, I could decide if I want to. if the code is like I think it is, I'm raising my hand! | 12:07 |
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| coderus | Jonni: nokia timed or it was ruined? | 12:12 |
| Elessar | coderus: possibly, but my application shouldn't do anything | 12:13 |
| Elessar | may be have to check top/atop/dstat | 12:13 |
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| KhertanAtwork | ~log | 12:27 |
| KhertanAtwork | ~bot ? | 12:27 |
| KhertanAtwork | ~? | 12:27 |
| KhertanAtwork | gnié | 12:27 |
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| Jonni | Venemo: I browsed internal bugzilla and original proof of concept was ditched, and there are 2 seperate api's under works, one for display keepalive and one for background activity. But no eta yet on which sdk update they will be ready. So unfortunately in meanwhile C API is the only option. | 12:32 |
| KhertanAtwork | Someone know any qml sailfish apps with source available which have translations ? | 12:32 |
| Morpog_PC | tweetian has some random translations | 12:33 |
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| KhertanAtwork | Morpog_PC, thx | 12:33 |
| Venemo | Jonni: well, this is the kind of thing that one can implement in ~5 minutes, so I don't see the hassle | 12:33 |
| Venemo | Jonni: why I brought it up is because I don't particularly enjoy writing wrappers, especially when I know someone already has one | 12:34 |
| * Stskeeps repeats the mantra that there's no such thing as a 5 minute feature, there's always documentation, testing, integration, .. | 12:34 | |
| Morpog_PC | KhertanAtwork, for example update settings is translated | 12:34 |
| KhertanAtwork | i ask as i probably made many mistake in ownNotes ... no translation working | 12:34 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: I didn't mean it literally. I meant, that it looks trivial to me, ie. not something that'd require a lot of time. | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: just saying | 12:35 |
| Morpog_PC | Venemo, well but a SDK release should take some while ;) | 12:35 |
| Venemo | Morpog_PC: I don't care about an SDK release | 12:35 |
| Venemo | Morpog_PC: I'm talking about one single library | 12:35 |
| Morpog_PC | which they probably release with a SDK update | 12:36 |
| Venemo | I just want to see it on damn github, not in the SDK | 12:36 |
| Morpog_PC | :) | 12:36 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: realistically, you are correct, it requires testing and documentation, etc, of course :) | 12:36 |
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| Venemo | Jonni: if it means anything, I can help with getting it in shape | 12:41 |
| * lbt does wonder why software ostensibly in nemo is developed behind closed doors. Reminds me of Intel :) | 12:42 | |
| lbt | not allowing it into Harbour is a different thing | 12:43 |
| Venemo | Thank you lbt! :) finally someone sees my point :) | 12:43 |
| cos- | yep, it makes no sense to develop something useful in secret if it's going to be oss | 12:44 |
| faenil | +1 | 12:44 |
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| zuh | The question is also not really about API availability, but API commitment. Community may make API available on a whim, but Jolla should commit to what it pushes out IMO, because that instantly raises expectation that it's THE api to use... | 12:47 |
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| faenil | yeah we know Venemo tends to oversimplify things :) | 12:48 |
| * faenil hugs Venemo | 12:48 | |
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| Venemo | faenil: don't take the 5 minutes literally. I just use it to say that I think it is not a difficult task | 12:49 |
| faenil | Venemo, "tends to" :) | 12:50 |
| lbt | zuh: commiting to the api is different to developing it | 12:50 |
| lbt | and if something goes a way that Jolla doesn't feel is suitable in Nemo then it's fine to fork it | 12:50 |
| Venemo | faenil: I believe in simpleness yes :P | 12:50 |
| * fk_lx believes that discussion on this channel it's connected with this: https://together.jolla.com/question/680/co-creation-leading-to-co-development/#post-id-1214 and https://together.jolla.com/question/680/co-creation-leading-to-co-development/#post-id-6833 | 12:53 | |
| Venemo | fk_lx +1 | 12:53 |
| fk_lx | and that those votes on answers (even though that there were also downvotes) mean something ;-) | 12:53 |
| * fk_lx hides to not get kicked by Stskeeps ;-) | 12:54 | |
| * fk_lx from his hideout congratulates lbt for his comparison with Intel | 12:57 | |
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| cos- | would it help the issue to have unstable and testing repos like on maemo? | 13:03 |
| cos- | from user's perspective it worked quite well | 13:03 |
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| valdur55 | an anyone share /var/lib/environment/compositor/*.conf content? | 13:17 |
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| KhertanAtwork | I've tryed to do translations the same way than tweetian ... but when i do a QString lang = QLocale::system().name(); | 13:45 |
| KhertanAtwork | lang.truncate(2); ... lang is equal to "C" ... :( any idea ? | 13:45 |
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| tomyri | KhertanAtwork: don't know how tweetian does it, but here is how i load translations https://github.com/tomyri/molkky/blob/master/src/harbour-molkky.cpp | 13:51 |
| KhertanAtwork | tomyri, thx i ll look | 13:52 |
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| coderus | valdur55: something special or just everything? | 13:56 |
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| valdur55 | everything :D or only LIPSTICK Stuff (don't use n9 ) | 13:57 |
| valdur55 | or n950 ..... | 13:57 |
| coderus | you wanished ur configs/ | 13:57 |
| coderus | ? | 13:57 |
| coderus | rpm -qf /var/lib/environment/compositor/fname.conf | 13:58 |
| coderus | and reinstall package | 13:58 |
| tortoisedoc | lbt:where to report bugs for merssh? | 13:58 |
| lbt | tortoisedoc: together.j.c - tag sdk and bug | 13:59 |
| valdur55 | coderus: just want some examples for n9 | 14:01 |
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| tortoisedoc | lbt:https://together.jolla.com/question/8740/on-device-debugging-merssh-vs-conflict-causes-failure/ | 14:08 |
| tortoisedoc | :) | 14:08 |
| tortoisedoc | any ETA yet? :P | 14:09 |
| lbt | not afaik | 14:10 |
| KhertanAtwork | ASAP | 14:10 |
| tortoisedoc | lbt: if merssh would be on nemo / QtC I would have a fix for it alerady | 14:10 |
| KhertanAtwork | :) | 14:10 |
| tortoisedoc | huuuh I just got a crazy idea | 14:10 |
| tortoisedoc | I can get the old merssh and make a new one out of it :P | 14:11 |
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| kaltsi | tortoisedoc: .. does together.j.c require a closing tag (the </username>) ? | 14:13 |
| kaltsi | or why do you have it in your message? | 14:13 |
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| coderus | valdur55: ah, you dont jave jolla too? :D | 14:23 |
| valdur55 | yea. | 14:23 |
| tortoisedoc | kaltsi: that was not added by me | 14:25 |
| tortoisedoc | only <username> | 14:26 |
| tortoisedoc | I guess together j.c. thought it to be appropriate ;) | 14:26 |
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| tortoisedoc | aaah guess what : it does not show in the editing mode! | 14:26 |
| tortoisedoc | so it is added by the wiki :/ | 14:27 |
| tortoisedoc | ok replacing the < > with * helped | 14:29 |
| kaltsi | ok.. that was a bit confusing :) | 14:30 |
| kaltsi | coderus: did you figure out the stripping binaries part? I checked it today | 14:30 |
| tortoisedoc | kaltsi : you work on the sdk side of things? | 14:31 |
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| kaltsi | mostly yes | 14:32 |
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| coderus | kaltsi: i just added strip call to my spec | 14:38 |
| coderus | kaltsi: i'm just using old deprecated mb ;) | 14:38 |
| coderus | i'm not upgraded qt creator yet | 14:38 |
| coderus | still using 1310 one :D | 14:38 |
| KhertanAtwork | tomyri, thx ... i ve use something similar in my code ... without luck ... look like QLocale::System() didn't return correct locals | 14:39 |
| coderus | just updated sdk | 14:39 |
| tortoisedoc | kaltsi: any eta for the bug I just reported? | 14:39 |
| KhertanAtwork | and i can't dig more, the debugger didn't works on windows with device :( | 14:39 |
| tortoisedoc | I found an ancient version of merssh on some git | 14:39 |
| kaltsi | coderus: if you want to use mb2 .. then when you call mb2 build -d (debug) will create debuginfo packages in which case the normal package will have stripped content | 14:39 |
| kaltsi | coderus: or if you use mb2 qmake and mb2 rpm .. then you don't need any extra flags | 14:40 |
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| kaltsi | tortoisedoc: sorry no, we'll need to reproduce the failure here first, but the guy with windows machine is not here right now | 14:41 |
| coderus | kaltsi: i'm just using mb build and everything fine now :) | 14:41 |
| kaltsi | coderus: ok | 14:41 |
| coderus | mb2 build fails with qmake | 14:41 |
| kaltsi | with shadow build? | 14:41 |
| tortoisedoc | kaltsi: ok thanks | 14:42 |
| coderus | no, i not managed to use shadow mb2 build | 14:42 |
| coderus | i like mb rpmbuild structure :D | 14:42 |
| coderus | all compiled rpms in one place :) | 14:42 |
| kaltsi | ok.. I thought we went through how to do it last week | 14:42 |
| coderus | kaltsi: i know, i saved it | 14:43 |
| coderus | just still using mb | 14:43 |
| kaltsi | ok.. carry on :) | 14:43 |
| coderus | i'll use wrap script for mb2 when upgraded to latest qt cteator and sdk | 14:43 |
| coderus | just not yet | 14:43 |
| B-ZaR | hey, looking to try out some of my stuff on Jolla. About to start porting. The stuff I'm about to try and port depends on glfw3 (EGL provided context), sdl and gles (1.1 or 2). Any quick remarks before I dive in? Previous experiences? | 14:46 |
| coderus | so, transfer engine and share via still not allowed to harbour? | 14:46 |
| coderus | B-ZaR: ping thp | 14:47 |
| tortoisedoc | coderus: so it seems for transfer ui | 14:47 |
| coderus | and what about share plugins? | 14:47 |
| tortoisedoc | that is in transfer ui, so nope so far afaik | 14:48 |
| B-ZaR | thp: ping | 14:48 |
| tortoisedoc | but I am about to submit LINKer to harbour, let's see what happens :) | 14:48 |
| tortoisedoc | most likely it will be rejected :/ | 14:49 |
| celeron55 | B-ZaR: what build system does it use? | 14:50 |
| B-ZaR | cmake | 14:50 |
| celeron55 | i'm currently porting (kind of) some cmake-based stuff and am very inexperienced; i initially tried to do it with qtcreator, turning it into a qmake project but that failed; now i'm having much better luck working directly with the build vm (with it's sb2 and qtcreator's package manager) | 14:52 |
| celeron55 | so if anything, prepare to try different things | 14:53 |
| B-ZaR | sure. I did some stuff with SB back in N900 days | 14:53 |
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| coderus | KhertanAtwork: QLocale locale; | 14:55 |
| coderus | qDebug() << locale.name(); | 14:55 |
| coderus | "ru_RU" | 14:55 |
| coderus | it works | 14:55 |
| KhertanAtwork | "C" | 14:55 |
| KhertanAtwork | hum | 14:56 |
| coderus | KhertanAtwork: so? it will work on device :) | 14:56 |
| KhertanAtwork | it s on device :) | 14:56 |
| coderus | well | 14:56 |
| KhertanAtwork | yep | 14:56 |
| coderus | start it on device shell, not QtC | 14:56 |
| KhertanAtwork | yep | 14:56 |
| coderus | well | 14:56 |
| coderus | something wrong with you :0 | 14:57 |
| KhertanAtwork | roh | 14:57 |
| coderus | did you trying change locale settings and check? | 14:57 |
| KhertanAtwork | that s works now on device started with term once locale settings changed | 14:57 |
| coderus | :) | 14:57 |
| KhertanAtwork | but not when launched from sdk | 14:57 |
| KhertanAtwork | 1 hour lost | 14:57 |
| KhertanAtwork | coderus, thx a lot | 14:58 |
| coderus | qtc always killing environment | 14:58 |
| coderus | i hate it | 14:58 |
| coderus | i always testing apps in ssh terminal | 14:58 |
| coderus | i'm starting implementing translations now too :D | 14:59 |
| KhertanAtwork | :p | 15:01 |
| KhertanAtwork | coderus, also lrelease and lupdate not available in the sailfishsdk | 15:01 |
| KhertanAtwork | :) | 15:01 |
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| KhertanAtwork | roh something else now app didn't start from launcher | 15:03 |
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| kaltsi | KhertanAtwork: lrelease and lupdate are in the sdk | 15:05 |
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| kaltsi | not in qtcreator, but you can call them in your pro file | 15:05 |
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| KhertanAtwork | kaltsi, that s what Stskeeps say me too, but didn't found it | 15:06 |
| kaltsi | how do you want to find them? | 15:06 |
| KhertanAtwork | with a path :) | 15:06 |
| KhertanAtwork | as an executable in a folder | 15:07 |
| KhertanAtwork | :) | 15:07 |
| kaltsi | they are in the sb2 targets.. you can call them from your Makefile which is created from the pro file | 15:07 |
| KhertanAtwork | oh .... | 15:07 |
| KhertanAtwork | just understood :) | 15:07 |
| KhertanAtwork | thx | 15:08 |
| KhertanAtwork | :) | 15:08 |
| kaltsi | in the targets the binaries are under /usr/lib/qt5/bin and as a qtchooser symlink under /usr/bin | 15:09 |
| KhertanAtwork | kaltsi, thx | 15:09 |
| kaltsi | yw :) | 15:10 |
| celeron55 | what is the general way to make a program (an opengl es2 program) show stuff in landscape mode? | 15:11 |
| KhertanAtwork | other question, my app didn't launch anymore via sailfish app launcher, and launch via term. How can i found log for launcher ? journalctl ? | 15:12 |
| KhertanAtwork | i ve just one line, none error : lipstick[1094]: invoker: Invoking execution: '/usr/bin/ownNotes' | 15:14 |
| kaltsi | Andy80: about the timeout problem.. can you debug it with me now? | 15:19 |
| coderus | celeron55: rotate view? | 15:19 |
| coderus | KhertanAtwork: show output of: invoker -s --type=silica-qt5 ownNotes | 15:20 |
| Andy80 | kaltsi: hi! I'm busy for about 15-20 minutes to finish a thing. Can I ping you back later if it's not a problem? | 15:20 |
| kaltsi | Andy80: I'll be around for an hour more today, ping me within that time if you can :) | 15:20 |
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| Andy80 | kaltsi: ok, I'll do faster as I can, thanks :) | 15:21 |
| KhertanAtwork | invoker: Invoking execution: '/usr/bin/ownNotes' | 15:21 |
| kaltsi | KhertanAtwork: have you checked is another ownNotes process running there? | 15:21 |
| coderus | KhertanAtwork: killall existing process first | 15:22 |
| KhertanAtwork | kaltsi, :) | 15:22 |
| KhertanAtwork | kaltsi, indeed ... failed debugging session from win qtc was staying in background | 15:23 |
| KhertanAtwork | coderus, kaltsi thx again | 15:23 |
| KhertanAtwork | :) | 15:23 |
| kaltsi | :) | 15:26 |
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| walokra | is there a plan to do silica notification banner? tweetian has used custom component | 15:30 |
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| coderus | walokra: means? which banner? | 15:31 |
| Andy80 | kaltsi: back :) sorry for making you wait. I'm available now. | 15:31 |
| walokra | coderus: showing some message to users | 15:31 |
| kaltsi | Andy80: ok.. I saw your message in together.jc and we discussed it a bit earlier here.. | 15:31 |
| Andy80 | kaltsi: is there any other debug info I can provide to you? | 15:32 |
| kaltsi | Andy80: let's check a few points.. first: I have the same environment as you at home and it works there, so it should be possible :) | 15:32 |
| B-ZaR | celeron55: ok, seems one of the libs I use still isn't up to scratch on GLES2 support, but FYI I got up to running cmake on sb2 by installing libarchive and cmake to it from http://releases.sailfishos.org/sdk/latest/jolla/armv7hl/core/armv7hl/ . will need some more work before I try again | 15:33 |
| kaltsi | Andy80: do you get the failure in both i486 and arm cases? | 15:33 |
| Andy80 | kaltsi: uhm.... I don't know... I don't think I've ever tried to build/deploy for i486 | 15:33 |
| coderus | walokra: which situation? i never saw notifications in tweetian o_O | 15:33 |
| kaltsi | Andy80: ok.. could we try this from the command line? | 15:34 |
| Andy80 | kaltsi: how can I build/deploy for it? | 15:34 |
| Andy80 | ok | 15:34 |
| kaltsi | Andy80: for i486; you configure your project to use the i486 target and you need to have the emulator running.. but let's try ARM from command line first | 15:34 |
| kaltsi | Andy80: do you have the environment up and running now? can you login to mersdk virtual machine with ssh.. | 15:35 |
| Andy80 | kaltsi: ok, just tell me what to do (just a second, I verify that my project compiles correctly) | 15:35 |
| walokra | coderus: like sending a tweet was successfull etc. there's infobanner impl | 15:35 |
| kaltsi | Andy80: ok once you've logged in to mersdk: let's try this first: cd to your project dir Projects/sailsoma (?): and then do: mb2 -t SailfishOS-armv7hl -d "your device name" build | 15:36 |
| coderus | walokra: maybe i have old build... i newer saw notifications o_O | 15:36 |
| coderus | never* | 15:37 |
| kaltsi | Andy80: sorry ... not build but: deploy --pkcon | 15:37 |
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| thesignal | hello, my app got approved for the harbour, but again it's not visible in the store... any ideas? | 15:37 |
| Andy80 | kaltsi: give me one moment... there is something wrong with my env... I can'd deploy with binary copy either... | 15:37 |
| KhertanAtwork | walokra, i use custum banner too : http://khertan.net/blog/silica_infobanner | 15:37 |
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| kaltsi | Andy80: ok | 15:37 |
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| ericcc | anybody see this problem ----------[D] QQmlDebuggingEnabler::QQmlDebuggingEnabler:1392 - QML debugging is enabled. Only use this in a safe environment. | 15:38 |
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| kaltsi | ericcc: that is normal.. it comes when you have selected the "Debug" build.. you can choose a "Release" build and that should not come anymore | 15:38 |
| walokra | KhertanAtwork: nice looking | 15:38 |
| kaltsi | ericcc: you can select Release build from the Sailfish button which is above the green Run/Play button | 15:39 |
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| KhertanAtwork | walokra, i use it in ownNotes | 15:39 |
| KhertanAtwork | :) | 15:39 |
| coderus | ah, yu're talking about internal notifications :D | 15:39 |
| coderus | this is my own: https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu/blob/master/persecute2/qml/Popup.qml | 15:40 |
| Andy80 | kaltsi: damn it.... something weird.. I can ssh into the device but I cannot deploy to it anymore :( | 15:40 |
| ericcc | @kaltsi thx,so i gerrrn run ,it show me --:-1: 错误:Could not connect to MerSDK Virtual Machine. The remote host closed the connection | 15:40 |
| thesignal | anyone here from the harbour-team? | 15:40 |
| ericcc | and then the Sailfish button is green too | 15:40 |
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| kaltsi | Andy80: hmm can you test the connection in qtcreator.. maybe you need to redeploy the ssh keys | 15:40 |
| Andy80 | kaltsi: ok | 15:40 |
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| kaltsi | ericcc: can you copy the whole log with the error to http://pastebin.com ? | 15:41 |
| Andy80 | kaltsi: SSH connection failure: Timeout waiting for reply from server. | 15:41 |
| kaltsi | Andy80: ahh there's no way to redeploy keys.. can you remove the device and add it again? | 15:42 |
| Nicd- | coderus: thanks for the QML, I'll study it :) | 15:42 |
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| Andy80 | kaltsi: I noticed last time I did reset the device... I can remove it, but please note that there is also another bug: if you delete a configuration, the configuration name remain unavailable | 15:43 |
| kaltsi | Andy80: ahaa that's new to me | 15:43 |
| kaltsi | Andy80: hmm deleting and adding the device with same name works here | 15:44 |
| Andy80 | kaltsi: I'm trying... anyway it seems I can't add a new device... because I get a timeout connecting to it | 15:45 |
| kaltsi | hmmm | 15:45 |
| Andy80 | and yes, the IP is correct | 15:45 |
| kaltsi | Andy80: do you have more than one ip address on your mac? | 15:45 |
| kaltsi | Andy80: do you use usb or wifi | 15:45 |
| Andy80 | kaltsi: I use wifi and no, I don't have configured any other ip address on my machined | 15:46 |
| celeron55 | B-ZaR: curious: what library? | 15:47 |
| Andy80 | kaltsi: my machine has 192.168.0.4 and Jolla has 192.168.0.10 | 15:47 |
| Andy80 | kaltsi: from my machine I can ping Jolla and I can ssh into it from terminal | 15:47 |
| kaltsi | Andy80: well.. uh, is it possible there's some firewall rule that prevents qtcreator from making connections? (grasping at straws here) :) | 15:47 |
| Andy80 | kaltsi: I don't know :) are you aware of any OSX similar feature? | 15:48 |
| kaltsi | you can check the security settings .. there's the firewall and it can have a list of applications | 15:48 |
| kaltsi | security settings from the system settings app | 15:48 |
| B-ZaR | celeron55: this one https://github.com/Cloudef/glhck | 15:48 |
| Andy80 | kaltsi: firewall is off | 15:49 |
| kaltsi | Andy80: ok it's not that then :) | 15:49 |
| kaltsi | Andy80: what do you set as the timeout in the device creation dialog? | 15:50 |
| B-ZaR | celeron55: you can see in the cmakelists that gles2 flag causes a fatal not yet implemented error. the dev is a friend, so maybe I'll convince him to work on the gles2 part :P | 15:50 |
| Andy80 | kaltsi: 20 seconds | 15:50 |
| kaltsi | Andy80: should be enough .. mine is 2s (default) | 15:50 |
| kaltsi | Andy80: but previously you were able to add a device? | 15:51 |
| Andy80 | kaltsi: yes I was | 15:51 |
| kaltsi | Andy80: are you adding a 'Mer ARM Device' ? | 15:51 |
| ericcc | @kaltsi hehe i send it to http://imagebin.org/284849 | 15:51 |
| Andy80 | kaltsi: it's how I deployed until yesterday evening | 15:51 |
| Andy80 | kaltsi: yes, Mer ARM Device | 15:51 |
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| kaltsi | ericcc: that looks ok.. it does not show the 'could not connect to MerSDK'? | 15:52 |
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| Andy80 | kaltsi: do I try to reboot Jolla and QtC maybe? | 15:52 |
| Andy80 | wait wait! | 15:52 |
| Andy80 | now I got connected | 15:52 |
| kaltsi | Andy80: please.. or your mac | 15:52 |
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| Andy80 | damn it | 15:53 |
| kaltsi | Andy80: try to keep your device 'active'.. in case it goes to deep sleep and shuts down the wifi or something | 15:53 |
| Andy80 | I got connected but I got connection timeout while deploying keys | 15:53 |
| Andy80 | ok | 15:53 |
| kaltsi | do you have the charger connected? | 15:53 |
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| Andy80 | kaltsi: Device test finished successfully. | 15:55 |
| kaltsi | Andy80: so once you have the device configured (eventually) .. login to mersdk and let's try the cmd line thingy | 15:55 |
| Andy80 | kaltsi: the display off was the problem | 15:55 |
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| kaltsi | Andy80: cd to project dir; mb2 -t SailfishOS-armv7hl qmake | 15:55 |
| kaltsi | Andy80: then: mb2 -t SailfishOS-armv7hl -d "SailfhsOS Device" deploy --pkcon | 15:56 |
| Andy80 | kaltsi: ok, device configured... what was the command to connect into Mersdk? | 15:56 |
| kaltsi | Andy80: ssh -p 2222 -i ~/SailfishOS/vmshare/ssh/private_keys/engine/mersdk mersdk@localhost | 15:57 |
| ericcc | @kaltsi http://pastebin.kde.org/puemj4jvj why the code cannot run | 15:57 |
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| Andy80 | kaltsi: ok, I'm inside mer sdk. Please not: I've just tried a quick deploy as binary to my device again and I still get the timeout error, even if the device was on | 15:58 |
| Andy80 | kaltsi: I get ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.10 port 22: No route to host | 15:58 |
| kaltsi | ericcc: that looks ok, it is running? | 15:58 |
| Andy80 | that is not true | 15:58 |
| kaltsi | Andy80: from the qtcreator? | 15:58 |
| Andy80 | kaltsi: yes | 15:58 |
| Andy80 | kaltsi: I' executing the command you told me in sdk now... let's try this one | 15:59 |
| Andy80 | kaltsi: uhm... SailfishSDK:sailsoma mersdk [master] $ mb2 -t SailfishOS-armv7hl -d "SailfhsOS Device" deploy --pkcon | 15:59 |
| Andy80 | Fatal: 'SailfhsOS Device' not found in devices.xml | 15:59 |
| kaltsi | typo? | 16:00 |
| Andy80 | kaltsi: I think it's related to that problem I told you before | 16:00 |
| Andy80 | oh wait... | 16:00 |
| kaltsi | SailfhsOS vs SailfishOS | 16:00 |
| Andy80 | yep sorry | 16:00 |
| kaltsi | that should be the device name you gave in the add new device | 16:00 |
| PeterPark | I want to create a settings dialog with the nice sailfish glow-"bulbs" as they are in the device settings dialog. I found only IconButton and have to manage the "on/off" cylce by myself? or is there a QML Component which is working "out-of-the-box"? | 16:00 |
| ericcc | @kaltsi it is(the exapler) not rning | 16:00 |
| kaltsi | ericcc: I'm sorry, but in the image you pasted, I can see the output which is OK and I can also see the example in your emulator? I don't understand what is not running :) | 16:01 |
| Andy80 | kaltsi: I got the same error I got on QtC, I paste it to pastebin, wait... | 16:02 |
| kaltsi | ericcc: ahh sorry no you have the main view in the emulator showing | 16:02 |
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| Andy80 | kaltsi: here you have http://pastebin.com/XDDjhtX6 | 16:03 |
| kaltsi | ericcc: if your emulator looks like that.. can you close the menu before trying to run your example? | 16:03 |
| kaltsi | ericcc: make it so that the lock screen is not on.. it should show the default icons | 16:03 |
| ericcc | @kaltsi yes ! close menu? how can do it | 16:03 |
| kaltsi | ericcc: click anywhere except the menu | 16:04 |
| coderus | PeterPark: Switch, TextSwitch | 16:04 |
| kaltsi | Andy80: ok.. can you ping 192.168.0.10 from mersdk? | 16:04 |
| Andy80 | kaltsi: no :/ | 16:05 |
| Andy80 | kaltsi: SailfishSDK:sailsoma mersdk [master] $ ping 192.168.0.10 | 16:05 |
| Andy80 | PING 192.168.0.10 (192.168.0.10) 56(84) bytes of data. | 16:05 |
| Andy80 | From 10.220.220.254 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable | 16:05 |
| kaltsi | ericcc: then when the menu goes away, you see the time/clock? can you click on the clock and push up so it goes away and you can see icons on the screen | 16:05 |
| kaltsi | Andy80: well that's the problem.. but why hmm | 16:05 |
| Andy80 | kaltsi: (maybe we should move to a private dialog?) | 16:05 |
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| ericcc | @kaltsi yes | 16:06 |
| kaltsi | ericcc: ok.. can you try running your example now? | 16:07 |
| ericcc | @kaltsi it is ok.and then it looks bug? | 16:07 |
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| ericcc | @kaltsi when i run main view in the emulator ,and i cant run my example code | 16:08 |
| PeterPark | coderus: Thanks! | 16:12 |
| ericcc | @kaltsi thanks | 16:12 |
| kaltsi | ericcc: is it ok now? | 16:12 |
| ericcc | @kaltsi yes,it is ok | 16:13 |
| ericcc | win7 on vm | 16:13 |
| kaltsi | ericcc: good :) | 16:15 |
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| ericcc | @kaltsi see you go to bed | 16:16 |
| kaltsi | ericcc: bye | 16:16 |
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| tumpelo | anybody knowledgeable about Qt and GPS? | 17:00 |
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| sjtoik | strange. my tohd.service was in disabled state, but after os update, it was running again. | 17:01 |
| Pnuu | sjtoik: did you also `sysctl mask tohd.system` ? | 17:02 |
| Pnuu | because disable doesn't stop it turning on in boot | 17:02 |
| sjtoik | Pnuu: no i didn't | 17:02 |
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| sjtoik | i'll try remember that | 17:03 |
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| Elessar | hm, does Keys.onVolumeDownPressed works on Sailfish? | 17:10 |
| Jonni | Elessar: maybe try and see? Afaik it should work. | 17:11 |
| Elessar | Jonni: I've tried, but it's possible I've made a bug somewhere | 17:12 |
| Elleo | Elessar: you need to acquire the volume keys resource via libresource first | 17:12 |
| Elessar | so it didn't work for me | 17:12 |
| Elessar | oh | 17:12 |
| Elleo | Elessar: see the cutespotify source for an example of that | 17:12 |
| Elleo | libresource isn't an acceptable API for the harbour yet though (and libaudioresource doesn't handle volume keys unfortunately), so you'd have to distribute libresource with your app | 17:13 |
| Elleo | and it sounds like they might want to migrate away from libresource at some point, so it might not be a solution forever | 17:13 |
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| Elleo | Elessar: https://github.com/Elleo/cutespotify/blob/sailfish/libQtSpotify/qspotifysession.cpp#L420 <-- that's the setup for libresource stuff | 17:14 |
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| Elleo | that does both audio and volume keys stuff | 17:14 |
| Elleo | you'll also need to manually release the resource when appropriate too (e.g. when your app is no longer in focus) | 17:15 |
| Elleo | I dunno if there's any plans to add support for that to libaudioresource, I'd guess thp would be the person to ask about that | 17:16 |
| Elessar | Elleo: thanks | 17:17 |
| Elessar | if I remeber correctly it's the same library as was used in Harmattan | 17:17 |
| Elleo | Elessar: yeah | 17:17 |
| Elessar | so it become a little more complicated | 17:18 |
| Elessar | and libresource is not in allowed libs right now? | 17:18 |
| Elleo | yeah | 17:19 |
| Elleo | I've tried bundling it with cutespotify when submitting to the harbour, but haven't heard anything back yet | 17:19 |
| Elleo | for me it's just a temporary thing until qaudiooutput has proper integration | 17:19 |
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| Elessar | Elleo: unfortunately I'm going to change volume buttons' behaviour, it's a common way for page's flipping | 17:21 |
| Elessar | don't know if it's Jolla-ish way | 17:21 |
| Elleo | Elessar: yeah, I did that with Erudite on the N9 | 17:21 |
| Elleo | Elessar: best long-term option might be to ask thp really nicely to include it in libaudioresource (which is a permitted api) :) | 17:22 |
| Elessar | don't know how it could be intergrated into QAudioOutput :) | 17:22 |
| Elessar | hm, should try | 17:22 |
| Elleo | Elessar: the issue with qaudiooutput is that it isn't integrated with the system volume like qmediaplayer is, so you have to manually handle volume changes | 17:22 |
| Elessar | Elleo: oh, looks strange | 17:25 |
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| Elleo | Elessar: yeah, from what I gather the volume stuff is integrated at the gstreamer level (which qmediaplayer uses as its backend), not at the pulseaudio level (and qaudiooutput uses libpulse directly) | 17:28 |
| Elleo | although I suspect it'd be possible to create a qaudiooutput backend that uses gstreamer | 17:29 |
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| jabbounet | hello all, happy new year | 17:36 |
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| jabbounet | is there some dlna / upnp library on sailfish os? | 17:38 |
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| matoking | @jabbounet If there's a library for Qt and someone has compiled it for Harmattan I think it would work well with Sailfish with little effort | 17:46 |
| matoking | That's just my guess though | 17:46 |
| matoking | I have never developed anything for Nokia N9 | 17:47 |
| coderus | transparent icons in lipstick notifications have no transparency? | 17:50 |
| tumpelo | on the phone, QGeoSatelliteInfoSource::createDefaultSource returns NULL, but QGeoPositionInfoSource::createDefaultSource works | 17:52 |
| suosaask1 | anything like the wonderful profilematic available for jolla? | 17:53 |
| tumpelo | no access to satellite info? | 17:53 |
| jabbounet | matoking, thanks for the answer, I will get a look to harmattan | 18:06 |
| coderus | Mitakuuluu now ready for translations! https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/mitakuuluu/ | 18:16 |
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| matoking | @coderus The name is Finnish but there isn't a Finnish translation yet? :P | 18:31 |
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| tumpelo | hmm, this may be related: https://together.jolla.com/question/4606/bug-information-about-gps-satellites-not-put-through-to-dalvik/ | 18:33 |
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| coderus | matoking: go and create translation you want :) | 18:35 |
| matoking | @coderus I'm trying to but the bloody website won't let me register | 18:36 |
| coderus | sad story :D | 18:37 |
| Elessar | what is an appropriate place to put setting in? | 18:37 |
| coderus | sorry, i'm not finnish, i cant create translation :) | 18:37 |
| matoking | The best of all, I can't register because my "email address is in use", but if I try to reset my password by providing my email address, it says it's not in use | 18:37 |
| coderus | Elessar: QSettings | 18:37 |
| Elessar | coderus: I mean gui | 18:37 |
| matoking | @coderus I think there's an utility that comes with Qt Creator that handles translation files? | 18:38 |
| coderus | Elessar: create class and export it to gui :) | 18:38 |
| Elessar | aargh | 18:38 |
| coderus | matoking: yes, Qt Linguist | 18:38 |
| Elessar | I mean where to show them? | 18:38 |
| coderus | but you can translate it in any unicode text editor you want :) | 18:38 |
| matoking | @coderus But I'll try registering one more time, this time with a temporary email address | 18:38 |
| coderus | Elessar: em. in Page? | 18:38 |
| Elessar | stock apps place their settings in 'settings -> applications' | 18:38 |
| Morpog_PC | coderus, can you approve german language? | 18:39 |
| coderus | you not allowed for this location :) | 18:39 |
| Elessar | bad :( | 18:39 |
| coderus | Morpog_PC: already done. isnt it? | 18:39 |
| coderus | Elessar: so, if you dont want to go to harbour you can ofc. | 18:39 |
| Morpog_PC | nope, and 5 more languages | 18:39 |
| coderus | Morpog_PC: done now? | 18:40 |
| coderus | seems my browser stucked %) | 18:40 |
| Morpog_PC | yep, works now, thx | 18:40 |
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| matoking | @coderus I think you know this already, but the padding in the settings menu doesn't look nice | 18:43 |
| matoking | And I think the menu could be done more nicely by using the Component Gallery's Buttons example for reference | 18:44 |
| matoking | The settings menu, I mean | 18:44 |
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| coderus | matoking: Component Gallery's Buttons what? | 18:48 |
| matoking | @coderus There's an example that comes with SailfishOS IDE called that | 18:48 |
| matoking | Component Gallery | 18:48 |
| matoking | It has a Buttons example page that's also a pretty good example how a settings page should look, IMO :) | 18:49 |
| matoking | Well, the bottom part of it at least | 18:49 |
| matoking | But I've used it as reference when designing the UI for my application | 18:49 |
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| coderus | sailfish component gallery? | 18:51 |
| matoking | @coderus Open up SailfishOS IDE's Welcome tab, go to Examples page and there should be an example project called Sailfish Silica Component | 18:53 |
| coderus | so? | 18:54 |
| coderus | what buttons it have i dont have in my project? | 18:54 |
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| coderus | i cant understand you | 18:54 |
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| matoking | What I mean is that the options in the Settings menu in Mitakuuluu clip together very badly | 18:54 |
| matoking | And I thought since Component Gallery has good examples of how certain types of pages should be constructed | 18:55 |
| matoking | that it would be useful to check | 18:55 |
| matoking | Anyway, I can't find Qt Linguist | 18:55 |
| matoking | I have both Qt Creator IDE and SailfishOS IDE installed | 18:56 |
| coderus | i'll add section header, ok | 18:56 |
| coderus | i see no difference except example have sectino headers | 18:56 |
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| matoking | What's the current version of Mitakuuluu? I have 0.1-16 and in it the list items clip together and the page header doesn't move out of the way | 18:58 |
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| coderus | you have problems :) | 19:00 |
| matoking | I'll take a screenshot | 19:00 |
| Morpog_PC | coderus, what are S or M or H items in transifex? | 19:00 |
| Morpog_PC | 33,34,35 | 19:00 |
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| coderus | matoking: http://i.imgur.com/5rrO07P.png | 19:04 |
| clau | coderus, is it technically possible to keep my account as offline/invisible even when I am sending a message to someone? | 19:04 |
| coderus | seconds, minutes, hours | 19:04 |
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| Morpog_PC | coderus, doh, I have tomatoes on my eyes, lol | 19:04 |
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| coderus | its for media duration if received audio or media | 19:05 |
| matoking | @coderus http://i.imgur.com/DY3ISGN.png | 19:05 |
| coderus | matoking: http://i.imgur.com/nszk1yc | 19:05 |
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| coderus | nah, it will be in next version | 19:06 |
| Morpog_PC | cool! | 19:06 |
| coderus | i know about these all small gui bugs | 19:06 |
| Morpog_PC | btw coderus, why not put blacklist, muted groups, account and about in a pulley within settings? | 19:07 |
| coderus | Morpog_PC: i dont know | 19:07 |
| matoking | @coderus I just happen to find inconsistent padding and kerning really irritating ;) | 19:08 |
| coderus | i'm busy with core things now | 19:08 |
| matoking | @coderus But good work with the application so far | 19:08 |
| matoking | *good job | 19:08 |
| Morpog_PC | sure coderus take your time to plish everything :D | 19:08 |
| Morpog_PC | polish | 19:08 |
| coderus | Morpog_PC: matoking: you can polish it and make pull request | 19:08 |
| matoking | @coderus Okay, I'll check it out later, probably | 19:09 |
| matoking | @coderus Do you have a download link for the language file since I gave up on Transifex? | 19:12 |
| coderus | matoking: well, i wouldnt maintain it manually :) | 19:13 |
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| matoking | @coderus Well I'm trying my best to sign up but Transifex is actively working against me | 19:13 |
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| Morpog_PC | coderus, in transifex: Select «Add contact» menu item to select contacts Is <<Add contact>> a vaiable like %1 or normal text? | 19:14 |
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| coderus | jsut text | 19:14 |
| Morpog_PC | thx | 19:14 |
| coderus | its item in pulldown menu named add contact | 19:15 |
| walokra | this is what I talked about earlier :) https://together.jolla.com/question/8893/infobanner-component-for-silica/ | 19:15 |
| coderus | no variables in translation :0 | 19:15 |
| Elessar | there is no generic component for color choosing? (except ColorPickerDialog - it allow to choose only on of predefined colors) | 19:18 |
| matoking | @Elessar There's a lot of things that are still missing on SailfishOS IDE it seems | 19:18 |
| matoking | What I'd like to see is a file/directory selection dialog | 19:19 |
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| coderus | Elessar: well, color chooser have predefined ambiance colors. | 19:25 |
| coderus | its hard to choose color if you dont know ambiance | 19:25 |
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| coderus | i'm always using system colors or grayscale transparent | 19:25 |
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| matoking | Registering for Transifex using myemailsinotinuseyoubricks@hushmail.com worked | 19:27 |
| matoking | Darn, someone got a head start on the Finnish translation :P | 19:28 |
| FireFly | Translation? | 19:28 |
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| matoking | @FireFly Coderus put up Mitakuuluu on Transifex | 19:29 |
| FireFly | Oh, WhatsApp thing | 19:31 |
| Morpog_PC | coderus, where is No action used, or better said in what context? | 19:31 |
| coderus | in normal case nowhere | 19:32 |
| coderus | it can be showed in connect/disconnect button menu if daemon crashed and not restarted | 19:33 |
| Morpog_PC | ok, so I translate it like no function | 19:33 |
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| coderus | is there easy way to draw gradient in Silica? | 19:47 |
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| Morpog_PC | coderus, all strings that have linebreakt in them I cannot save in transifex unfortunately | 19:51 |
| Stskeeps | coderus: perhaps a shader? | 19:52 |
| Elleo | coderus: a canvas can have gradients drawn on it | 19:53 |
| Elleo | actually, looks like you don't even need a canvas | 19:54 |
| Elleo | coderus: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtquick/qml-qtquick2-gradient.html | 19:54 |
| Morpog_PC | coderus, https://github.com/nemomobile/lipstick-colorful-home/blob/master/src/qml/LockscreenClock.qml#L10-L14 | 19:54 |
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| coderus | Elleo: Morpog_PC: thanks :) | 19:58 |
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| matoking | @coderus Went over everything and the Finnish translation seems to be done | 19:59 |
| matoking | @coderus Not reviewed, though | 20:00 |
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| ln- | "No exists information for your account." maybe the english texts need reviewing too. | 20:02 |
| hoelzro | is there a way to take a screenshot of the Jolla UI? perhaps from the command line? | 20:02 |
| tango_ | ln-: lol | 20:02 |
| ln- | hoelzro: there's an app in the store for that | 20:02 |
| hoelzro | oh, handy! | 20:03 |
| stephg | ln- do you happen to know if there is a command line as well? | 20:04 |
| ln- | stephg: no, and in fact i never tried the store one either, even though i have it installed | 20:04 |
| stephg | yeah I have lbt's one here too but not used it :) | 20:04 |
| coderus | hoelzro: i'm using this: | 20:05 |
| coderus | /usr/lib/qt5/bin/qdbus org.nemomobile.lipstick /org/nemomobile/lipstick/screenshot org.nemomobile.lipstick.saveScreenshot /home/nemo/Pictures/Screenshot-`date +%d-%m-%y-%H-%M-%S`.png | 20:05 |
| coderus | no app need | 20:05 |
| stephg | coderus thanks | 20:05 |
| hoelzro | ah ha | 20:05 |
| hoelzro | nice tip coderus | 20:05 |
| matoking | @coderus Who's doing the review process for translated strings? | 20:05 |
| coderus | matoking: users | 20:06 |
| Morpog_PC | community of course | 20:06 |
| matoking | Then I'm afraid I don't know how it's done :P | 20:06 |
| matoking | I just noticed that reviewed string count started to rise all of sudden | 20:06 |
| coderus | do it in transifex, add comments, suggestions, whatever | 20:07 |
| lbt | stephg: coderus: if you do that then simply use .jpg at the end .... that gets better gallery integration. Also our Gallery will soon respect Pictures/screenshots/ as a location for a screenshots folder | 20:07 |
| coderus | matoking: open translation, view strings online, and its there | 20:07 |
| stephg | lbt cool! | 20:07 |
| stephg | reason I was asking for the command line was for trying to illustrate bugs where any interaction with the interface would collapse/resolve/whatever the bug | 20:08 |
| coderus | lbt: png is better for screenshots B) | 20:08 |
| lbt | stephg: my app essentially does that - and has preview and delete and gallery integration - just makes it easier | 20:08 |
| stephg | yeah no doubt | 20:08 |
| ln- | matoking: there are some issues with certain strings of the finnish translation, although overall it's quite good. | 20:08 |
| coderus | ln-: make review, add suggestions :) | 20:08 |
| matoking | @ln- Yeah, the biggest nitpicking I have is about the use of "kontakti" instead of "yhteyshenkilö" or "henkilö" | 20:09 |
| lbt | coderus: sure - but when you advise people who may want to 'share' or edit in Gallery then jpg is more compatible | 20:09 |
| matoking | Is there a chat for the translation team somewhere? | 20:09 |
| matoking | That'd be more useful than leaving comments that the other translators will likely overlook | 20:09 |
| matoking | @coderus What's the "1234567890" string for? | 20:10 |
| coderus | matoking: you can do it in TMO forum thread, if need | 20:10 |
| coderus | matoking: it placeholder for phone number inputs | 20:11 |
| matoking | Someone translated it as "3581234567890" | 20:11 |
| matoking | Well, 358 is the country code | 20:11 |
| coderus | let it be for finnish :) | 20:11 |
| matoking | Well, what's this "TMO" you mentioned? | 20:12 |
| coderus | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92160 | 20:12 |
| Morpog_PC | :D | 20:14 |
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| matoking | @coderus I assume "Add number" stands for the same as "Add phone number"? | 20:17 |
| coderus | add number is string for syncer dialog, add phone number is string for blacklist dialog | 20:17 |
| coderus | you may use different sentencies in your language for these cases | 20:18 |
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| matoking | Is there a good flat icon set I could use with a file manager type of application? | 21:16 |
| matoking | Currently I'm using a pack I downloaded from flaticon, but it has the clause "The icons may not be included in any online or offline archive or archived downloadable format." which feels too ambiguous to me | 21:17 |
| matoking | especially in relation source code repositories | 21:17 |
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| Elleo | matoking: how about the icons from the gnome3 highcontrast theme? they're LGPL licensed | 21:21 |
| Elleo | they're part of the gnome-themes-standard module: https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-themes-standard/ | 21:21 |
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| matoking | @Elleo Those might be just what I was looking for :) | 21:26 |
| Elleo | great :) | 21:26 |
| matoking | Yep they seem to cover what I need and they are available in SVG format | 21:27 |
| matoking | Thanks | 21:27 |
| Elleo | no problem | 21:28 |
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| coderus | released v0.1-17 of Mitakuuluu. You can test your translations now. 100% translations will be added in next build. | 22:18 |
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| hoelzro | I'm trying to develop a Sudoku application for Sailfish, but I'm getting stuck when it comes to drawing the grid | 22:35 |
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| hoelzro | I was thinking of using a QGridView to contain some cell widgets, but the compiler can't find the header filefor QGridView | 22:36 |
| hoelzro | so I'm wondering if I should be trying to use QGridView as it is | 22:36 |
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| special | hoelzro: QGridView is part of widgets; sailfish applications use QML | 22:40 |
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| hoelzro | so what would be the proper solution here? | 22:41 |
| Elleo | hoelzro: you probably want a QML Grid: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtquick/qml-qtquick2-grid.html | 22:41 |
| hoelzro | ah, I can try that | 22:41 |
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| celeron55 | minetest on sailfish: http://c55.me/random/2014-01/tscrot-2014-01-03_00-57-27.png | 23:03 |
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| celeron55 | too bad irrlicht's ogles2 support is that broken and i can't find an easy way to make it go landscape | 23:03 |
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| Elleo | celeron55: cool | 23:04 |
| celeron55 | it's running using an sdl2 backend that i added to the ogl-es branch of irrlicht | 23:04 |
| Elleo | nice | 23:04 |
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| Elleo | I like Irrlicht, a gazillion years ago I wrote a python module based around it for super simple game development (for people coming from the various proprietary introductory game engines, like darkbasic, etc.) | 23:06 |
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| Elleo | http://sabregl.org/ (it's so old it's still in a CVS repo :P) | 23:06 |
| Elleo | doubt it'd build against a modern version of Irrlicht, but maybe I'll get around to reviving it sometime for some simple 3d sailfish dev | 23:07 |
| celeron55 | hmm, i think i'll try if i can make it run with the es1 backend | 23:07 |
| celeron55 | it should work better... assuming the headers and libs are there | 23:08 |
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| Elleo | well there's a libhybris-sbj-libGLESv1 package for the device (and a mesa version for the emulator) | 23:09 |
| Elleo | so it sounds like it should work | 23:09 |
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| thp | Elleo: libresource is going away, yes. libaudioresource is a thin wrapper around it; i guess for your use case we should add volume keys support to libaudioresource? | 23:24 |
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| Elleo | thp: yeah, well especially for Elessar's usecase, hopefully my usecase will go away if/when QAudioOutput is better supported | 23:29 |
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| thp | Elleo: can you (or Elessar) file a feature request for volume buttons (and e.g. a libresource api example how to use it) at https://github.com/nemomobile/libaudioresource/issues/new ? | 23:30 |
| Elleo | thp: sure | 23:31 |
| thp | thx :) | 23:31 |
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| Elleo | thp: will a couple of quick code snippets be enough, or would you like a fully working project to use as a test case? | 23:33 |
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| thp | Elleo: if you have time for a sccce (http://sscce.org/), that'd be great, otherwise a short code snippet should also work | 23:36 |
| Elleo | thp: sure, I can put something together quickly enough | 23:38 |
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| celeron55 | oh crap | 23:59 |
| celeron55 | now this thing broke and reverting my project to it's previous working state doesn't help | 23:59 |
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