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| artemma | Uncaught exception: XmlListModel is not defined | 00:13 |
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| artemma | what provides XmlListModel | 00:13 |
| artemma | I tried Require qt5-qtdeclarative-import-xmllistmodel - didn't help | 00:13 |
| artemma | and pkcon tells that it's installed :/ | 00:15 |
| artemma | ah, actually error message is not about packages | 00:17 |
| artemma | some sort of wrong import.. | 00:17 |
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| raa70 | Aard; | 00:44 |
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| raa70 | how bout dat gallery in dalvik, one must restart phone to get new photos to show in android apps like whatsapp | 00:49 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | What do I need to do to get rid of the " File not found: /home/deploy/installroot/usr/share/icons/hicolor/90x90/apps/SysteMate_Sailfish.png" error? | 04:30 |
| MFaro-Tusino | I added the icon manually to the project - no luck | 04:31 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | Nvm - found it was due to conflict with old project and the way the new ones are set up. Made a new project and all was fine :) | 05:40 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | hmm | 06:17 |
| tortoisedoc_ | ok | 06:17 |
| tortoisedoc_ | seems qml debugging on emulator has some issues | 06:18 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Remote application finished with exit code 134 << Any clues? | 06:18 |
| tortoisedoc_ | MFaro-Tusino : did you get exe on device? | 06:18 |
| tortoisedoc_ | (emulator)? | 06:18 |
| tortoisedoc_ | try to disable qml debugging | 06:18 |
| tortoisedoc_ | also | 06:19 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Device | 06:19 |
| tortoisedoc_ | hmm | 06:19 |
| MFaro-Tusino | I'll just run (not debug run) | 06:20 |
| tortoisedoc_ | hmm | 06:24 |
| tortoisedoc_ | new QQuickView() still crashing on me | 06:24 |
| tortoisedoc_ | ah | 06:31 |
| tortoisedoc_ | MFaro--tusino : I have the same problem when deploying to device | 06:32 |
| tortoisedoc_ | from app output window I get : bash: gdbserver: command not found | 06:33 |
| tortoisedoc_ | so I guess development tools on device are missing | 06:33 |
| tortoisedoc_ | MFaro-tusino : I think pkcon install gdb should fix this | 06:34 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Yeah - I thought that too (but then wasn't sure if it was just because I was using N950 and not Jolla device | 06:35 |
| tortoisedoc_ | ...and no | 06:35 |
| tortoisedoc_ | :/ | 06:35 |
| tortoisedoc_ | still having same error | 06:35 |
| tortoisedoc_ | gdbserver not present | 06:35 |
| tortoisedoc_ | guess its in a different package | 06:35 |
| MFaro-Tusino | pkcon install zypper then zypper se *gdbserver* | 06:35 |
| tortoisedoc_ | huh | 06:36 |
| tortoisedoc_ | packagekit is blocking zypper?? | 06:37 |
| smokex | gdbserver :5039 --attach pid | 06:37 |
| smokex | on the device | 06:37 |
| tortoisedoc_ | smokex : no gdbserver :/ | 06:38 |
| tortoisedoc_ | hmm | 06:38 |
| tortoisedoc_ | funny | 06:38 |
| tortoisedoc_ | i get gbdserver as installed from zyper | 06:38 |
| tortoisedoc_ | | gdb-gdbserver | A standalone server for GDB (the GNU source-leve-> | package | 06:38 |
| tortoisedoc_ | ok now this gets intresting | 06:40 |
| tortoisedoc_ | readchar: Got EOF Remote side has terminated connection. GDBserver will reopen the connection. Listening on port 10000 Architecture rejected target-supplied description | 06:40 |
| tortoisedoc_ | Architecture rejected target-supplied description | 06:40 |
| tortoisedoc_ | w0t is this | 06:40 |
| smokex | gdb server needs to be running before you debug | 06:47 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | smokex : so I need to manually start test app & attach gdbserver to it? | 06:52 |
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| ericcc | had not a real device too | 07:17 |
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| coderus | hello there! | 09:17 |
| coderus | anyone with jolla phone online? | 09:17 |
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| tbr | coderus: you might want to add why you need that | 09:29 |
| Nicd- | coderus: yep | 09:30 |
| coderus | i need /var/run/state stree contents recursive :0 | 09:31 |
| coderus | please :) | 09:31 |
| Nicd- | stree? | 09:32 |
| stephg | find /var/run/state | 09:32 |
| stephg | not that I has a jollyphone yet | 09:33 |
| coderus | s/stree/tree :D | 09:33 |
| Nicd- | just a moment | 09:35 |
| Nicd- | do I need root? | 09:35 |
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| coderus | probably | 09:36 |
| coderus | not sure how sailfish owning folders | 09:36 |
| Nicd- | what's your email? | 09:38 |
| coderus | coderusinbox@gmail.com | 09:39 |
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| Nicd- | sending | 09:40 |
| coderus | got it, thanks :) | 09:40 |
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| Nicd- | Error during installation process (org.merproject.mersdk): | 10:18 |
| Nicd- | Execution failed(Unexpected exit code: 1): "/usr/bin/VBoxManage createvm --name MerSDK --register --basefolder /Users/nicd/SailfishOS/mersdk" | 10:18 |
| Nicd- | when updating to the newest sdk | 10:18 |
| Nicd- | on OS X | 10:18 |
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| Nicd- | well, now my sdk is screwed, guess I'll reinstall :P | 10:19 |
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| stephg | a silly thing | 11:14 |
| stephg | noticed in the 1312 emulator, now that the settings are starting to fill out, Automatic Time Updates overrides the TZ | 11:15 |
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| ibins | I just installed a fresh Sailfish OS SDK on Gentoo and hit the same problem as with the very first aplha version: The SailfishOS Emulator could not be configured with VBoxManage. | 11:41 |
| ibins | The problem was the space in "SailfishOS Emulator" | 11:42 |
| ibins | and the missing quotes around that image name | 11:42 |
| ibins | VBoxManage modifyvm SailfishOS Emulator --ostype [...] | 11:43 |
| Nicd- | I had that error one time too I think | 11:44 |
| ibins | Would it not be wise to insert a "_" for the final SDK version? | 11:44 |
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| stephg | ibins it did that for me as well but that because I hadn't uninstalled the 1310 | 12:18 |
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| ibins | I did uninstall and rm everything prior the installation. What I do _not_ understand: Is the Sailfish SDK installer not quoting correctly? | 12:21 |
| pasik | hi. lots of people in here :) | 12:21 |
| ibins | If that is the case, why is it not a generel problem for everybody | 12:21 |
| ibins | Or is it a special thing with the VirtualBox installation for gentoo? | 12:21 |
| ibins | Somewhere the quotes get lost | 12:22 |
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| Yaniel | ibins: I'm guessing something gentoo-specific | 12:25 |
| Yaniel | because I had no problems on arch | 12:25 |
| stephg | ibins like I said, I had the quotes problem for both the mer vm and the emulator, but only because the existing ones existed, the actual error is that there is a .vbox file | 12:25 |
| stephg | if you copy and paste the command it tries to run, the first error isn't about quotes | 12:26 |
| ibins | stephg: actually it was. I typed the command that the installer claimed to fail: | 12:30 |
| ibins | http://ihrkoenntmichalleamarschlecken.de/Failed_VBoxManage_command.png | 12:30 |
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| ibins | Yaniel: Yes, I guess you are right that this is something gentoo related | 12:31 |
| Yaniel | but yeah, the vm name not being quoted or escaped looks definitely wrong | 12:31 |
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| nander_ | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/platform-api-reference/xml/daily-docs/libqt4/declarative-tutorials-samegame-samegame1.html << is there a tutorial like this one for sailfish? | 14:01 |
| Nicd- | nander_: I know someone who hase ported samegame to sailfish | 14:03 |
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| nander_ | I'd want documentation ;) | 14:04 |
| nander_ | Lots of guides online are still in qt 1.0 it seems | 14:04 |
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| Nicd- | ask Frye | 14:06 |
| Nicd- | I have his version running on my phone | 14:07 |
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| nander_ | Is there a onLoaded like trigger on qml elements? | 14:36 |
| Nicd- | Component.onCompleted maybe | 14:37 |
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| ericcc | see sailfishos.org | 14:57 |
| coderus | press F1 and learn here! | 14:58 |
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| Acce | Is the only to have simultaneously pressable buttons to set up a MultiPointTouchArea? Is there a way to do it with silica Buttons? | 15:25 |
| Yaniel | what do you need them for? | 15:26 |
| Acce | for the same thing we talked previously if you remember it | 15:27 |
| Yaniel | on a touchscreen device I'd try to think of an entirely different control scheme | 15:27 |
| Yaniel | mostly buttonless | 15:27 |
| Acce | hmm | 15:27 |
| Yaniel | tap target locatin, drag stuff around, pinch zoom, rotate with two fingers | 15:28 |
| Yaniel | whatever fits in | 15:28 |
| Acce | well I'm learning qml by making kind of a rocket, which falls unless motor is on ("up" pressed) | 15:29 |
| Acce | So I was thinking of making simple buttons at first | 15:30 |
| Acce | Another scheme could be dragging the rocket around.. but I'd like to learn how to make buttons first | 15:31 |
| Yaniel | for that you'd only need the "accelerate" button, right? | 15:32 |
| Yaniel | which is only a on/off thing anyway | 15:32 |
| Yaniel | or maybe a throttle slider | 15:32 |
| Acce | yeah, but I also have rotation buttons | 15:33 |
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| Acce | Using the silica buttons, I already managed to make it simply accelerate up, and rotate, but I would to accelerate while rotating too | 15:34 |
| Yaniel | then make it kind of a gesture | 15:34 |
| Yaniel | or a generic touch area | 15:35 |
| Yaniel | where the y coordinate of the touch event determines acceleration and x rotation | 15:35 |
| Acce | hmm.. like a gamepad? that might be nice | 15:38 |
| Yaniel | a bit like one yes | 15:40 |
| Yaniel | but be careful, most of those tend to end as a disaster | 15:40 |
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| Acce | Ok, thanks again! | 15:42 |
| Yaniel | like assassins creed was awesome on the E51 | 15:43 |
| Yaniel | but it totally sucked on the N8 | 15:43 |
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| Yaniel | just because of the virtual joystick it used | 15:43 |
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| Acce | what did it use on E51 then? | 15:45 |
| nander_ | I try to use setInterval to render a random rectangle, but it doesn't update the rectangle | 15:46 |
| Yaniel | the E51 had a T9 keyboard + navigation buttons | 15:46 |
| Yaniel | (hw) | 15:46 |
| Yaniel | so it used those | 15:46 |
| Acce | ah, I see | 15:46 |
| nander_ | http://www.pasteall.org/48032/javascript | 15:46 |
| Yaniel | but that control scheme rarely translates well to a touchscreen | 15:46 |
| Yaniel | in that case it didn't | 15:46 |
| Acce | Good to know, as I'm first time doing touchscreens | 15:47 |
| nander_ | My code renders exactly once | 15:47 |
| Acce | haven't really played that many games either | 15:47 |
| Yaniel | I've seen a few decent implementations | 15:47 |
| Yaniel | but generally it is better to come up with something that does not depend on virtual keys/other hw | 15:48 |
| nander_ | Can someone check what's wrong with my code snipplet? | 15:49 |
| nander_ | It seems setInterval doesn't work well | 15:49 |
| Acce | nander_: why not use QML timer? | 15:49 |
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| nander_ | Didn't know it existed | 15:49 |
| Acce | check it out, it's really simple to use | 15:50 |
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| Yaniel | you shouldn't need to call paint in a loop | 15:52 |
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| Yaniel | just move your doPaint code to onPaint | 15:53 |
| Yaniel | (qml is declarative) | 15:53 |
| nander_ | in a game? | 15:53 |
| Yaniel | or call repaint() with a timer | 15:55 |
| nander_ | http://www.pasteall.org/48036/javascript | 15:57 |
| Yaniel | rather repaint() than onPaint() but something like that I guess | 15:59 |
| nander_ | repaint is an invalid property according to the SDK | 16:00 |
| Yaniel | maybe a signal? | 16:01 |
| nander_ | It seems my timer doesn't start | 16:01 |
| nander_ | http://www.pasteall.org/48037/javascript | 16:02 |
| nander_ | It doesn't paint a rectangle | 16:03 |
| nander_ | weird, it IS called | 16:04 |
| nander_ | But it doesn't draw anything | 16:04 |
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| nander | The emulator is awfully slow? | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | add more cores | 16:28 |
| Frye | Not really | 16:28 |
| Frye | At least on my experience | 16:28 |
| nander | I don't get it to refresh 100 times per second | 16:28 |
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| Pnuu | why should it..? | 16:29 |
| nander | It seems that if the jobs take more time than 1 refresh on timer, it builds up lag | 16:29 |
| nander | And slows down even more | 16:29 |
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| nander | I can only do ~5 fps | 16:31 |
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| Acce | should the MultiTouchPointArea work in the emulator? it seems to behave differently on device and emulator | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | Acce: hmm it should | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | Acce: the cursor sends touch events, not mouse | 16:50 |
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| Acce | hmm.. I had it simply to console.log "pressed" and "released" on respective events, but the latter didn't show up in journalctl when I released the mouse button | 16:53 |
| Acce | it worked on the device though | 16:54 |
| Yaniel | "pressed" means keyDown + keyUp | 16:55 |
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| Yaniel | (varies by library) | 16:55 |
| Acce | ok, now it seems to work with my new code, so it was probably some mistake on my part | 16:55 |
| Yaniel | but there are usually separate keyDown, keyUp and keyPressed events | 16:56 |
| Acce | Yaniel: I thought onClicked was the pressed + released event? | 16:57 |
| Yaniel | the naming varies by library | 16:58 |
| Acce | atleast the code seems to do what I intended now that I'm using onPressed and onReleased.. | 16:58 |
| Yaniel | I haven't touched Qt in a while so I don't remember which names it used | 16:58 |
| Acce | ok | 17:00 |
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| Nicd- | hmm, I'm getting this when compiling: | 17:40 |
| Nicd- | /usr/include/qt5/QtCore/qstring.h:299: the mangling of 'va_list' has changed in GCC 4.4 | 17:40 |
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| Nicd- | seemed to be nothing | 17:48 |
| Nicd- | now I can develop on my mac again since device deployment works :) not enough memory to run the emulator | 17:48 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | so how many jPhones shippet as of today? | 17:59 |
| tortoisedoc_ | I heard 20000 for the preorder only | 17:59 |
| tortoisedoc_ | that correct | 17:59 |
| tortoisedoc_ | ? | 17:59 |
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| Jonni | tortoisedoc_: you will never get any comments about numbers. Sorry. | 18:13 |
| tortoisedoc_ | Jonni : that's ok , just tried my luck :P | 18:13 |
| tortoisedoc_ | Jonni: on a less stupid side, any way for a window to forward events to the window below it? | 18:15 |
| tortoisedoc_ | in X11 it was easy, but in Wayland every window is a reality for itself, so it should not be so easy anymore, right? | 18:15 |
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| lbt | Nicd-: does binary deployment work for you? and is it quicker / quick enough with simple QML changes | 18:17 |
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| Nicd- | lbt: you mean "by copying binaries"? | 18:24 |
| lbt | yes | 18:24 |
| Nicd- | yes, it works | 18:25 |
| Nicd- | that's what I'm using | 18:25 |
| Nicd- | the deploy time is quick enough. building is slow, probably due to my computer | 18:25 |
| lbt | OK | 18:25 |
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| corcrash | hi everyone :D | 18:26 |
| corcrash | could i get someone to answer a few questions? | 18:26 |
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| Nicd- | don't ask to ask | 18:27 |
| jake9xx | corcrash: what's the question, depends on that | 18:27 |
| Nicd- | ok, my app is ready enough I feel, might submit to harbour now | 18:28 |
| Nicd- | but screenshots first | 18:28 |
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| corcrash | Well, I want to develop apps for Sailfish, and I am an experienced C++/Qt developer but I can't seem to find any documentation on how to access C++ methods from Silica | 18:29 |
| jake9xx | Nicd-: nice, you've gone a long way :) | 18:29 |
| corcrash | is it the sam way as from QML or is there any difference? | 18:29 |
| jake9xx | corcrash: Silica = QML compnents representation | 18:29 |
| jake9xx | corcrash: c++ + QML2 is what you're after | 18:29 |
| corcrash | kk, ty :D | 18:29 |
| jake9xx | corcrash: qmlbook.org | 18:29 |
| Nicd- | corcrash: I have a really simple example for you | 18:30 |
| corcrash | Nicd-, That would be nice :D | 18:31 |
| Nicd- | corcrash: take a look at https://bitbucket.org/Nicd/sailtime/src and the files qml/harbour-sailtime.qml, src/* | 18:31 |
| jake9xx | Nicd-: do you emit signals from c++ side? | 18:31 |
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| Nicd- | a really simple class in the src dir, it is registered to be accessible from qml in src/harbour-sailtime.cpp and it is used in qml/harbour-sailtime.qml | 18:32 |
| Nicd- | jake9xx: no, I just call a method | 18:32 |
| jake9xx | Nicd-: ok, that's simple | 18:32 |
| jake9xx | signals are nasty | 18:32 |
| situ | Anybody here used nemo thumbnailer plugin ? | 18:33 |
| jake9xx | situ: you can check what the photoviewer tutorial in sdk 1312 uses | 18:36 |
| jake9xx | I'm not sure but it might be that | 18:36 |
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| corcrash | Nicd-, Thanks a lot, that helped! :D But is there a way for me to get a pointer to the QML Items of the app instance? | 19:06 |
| jake9xx | corcrash: why do you need that? | 19:07 |
| corcrash | jake9xx, Just curiosu :P | 19:07 |
| corcrash | curious* | 19:07 |
| jake9xx | well... | 19:08 |
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| jake9xx | of course there is. you can call qml item from c++ | 19:09 |
| jake9xx | http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtqml/qtqml-cppintegration-interactqmlfromcpp.html | 19:09 |
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| corcrash | jake9xx, I know abut that but how about the files defined in, lets say, firstpage.qml, they get instatiated by the Sailfish aplication instance, if I am not wrong, can I get access to them? | 19:15 |
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| jake9xx | corcrash: yes, if you define property on page, pages created after that will see those properties | 19:20 |
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| jake9xx | bascially in coding time you can assume all rules of javascript and dom tree | 19:21 |
| jake9xx | in run-time config the order of item creation is crucial | 19:21 |
| jake9xx | so unless you explicitly invoke/load some qml - you cannot assume properties therein are set right | 19:21 |
| jake9xx | or even defined | 19:21 |
| jake9xx | if you run into such issues try looking at object with console.log("aarg, my type is"+typeof(your-object-name); | 19:22 |
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| shmerl | MSameer: Hi! | 19:23 |
| MSameer | shmerl: hello! | 19:25 |
| MSameer | how did you know that I came back home a few minutes ago ? :p | 19:25 |
| shmerl | MSameer: Can you explain a bit some logic in the yaml specs please? I'm trying to write one for libopus and looking and libvorbis now atm: http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-core/libvorbis.git;a=blob_plain;f=libvorbis.yaml;hb=HEAD | 19:25 |
| shmerl | I didn't :) | 19:25 |
| shmerl | I just came myself. | 19:25 |
| shmerl | How does that yaml specify where to place what? (/lib etc.) | 19:26 |
| MSameer | shmerl: I don't have much experience with yaml (I remove it from every package I touch) but the idea is that you write a yaml file | 19:27 |
| Morpog | :D | 19:27 |
| MSameer | shmerl: the yaml file is used by soecify to generate a spec file | 19:27 |
| MSameer | shmerl: the spec file contains placeholders which you still need to fill like the files section and so | 19:27 |
| shmerl | Yeah, I figured :) The idea was that obs uses yaml as a primary source of the package metadata. | 19:27 |
| MSameer | shmerl: but those place holders will not be overwritten when you rerun specify after editing yaml later on | 19:28 |
| shmerl | I looked at the hello world example. | 19:28 |
| shmerl | And there is some "files" section there. | 19:28 |
| MSameer | shmerl: nop, obs doesn't use yaml AFAICT | 19:28 |
| MSameer | mmm | 19:28 |
| shmerl | The example above though (libvorbis) doesn't have anything like that. | 19:28 |
| MSameer | shmerl: yes because I stripped that yaml crap :P | 19:28 |
| Morpog | Qtcreator uses yaml to generate spec file | 19:28 |
| MSameer | Sage_: ping ^^^ | 19:28 |
| Morpog | obs uses spec file | 19:28 |
| MSameer | i don't use qt creator :/ | 19:29 |
| shmerl | So how is the spec generated for libvorbis from that yaml? | 19:29 |
| shmerl | I.e. how does it know where to place the result? Or you write rpm speci directly yourself? | 19:29 |
| MSameer | shmerl: obs wants a spec file to be able to build | 19:29 |
| MSameer | obs does not use yaml AFAICT | 19:29 |
| shmerl | Right, but in the example you do it with "specify" | 19:29 |
| MSameer | shmerl: I write spec directly | 19:30 |
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| shmerl | I see, got it. | 19:30 |
| MSameer | well, you here is obviously jolla but not me | 19:30 |
| shmerl | So that yaml isn't really doing anything for libvorbis? | 19:30 |
| MSameer | so maybe jake9xx or kaltsi or Sage_ could help more | 19:30 |
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| jake9xx | well the build tool uses yaml | 19:31 |
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| jake9xx | so mb2 runs on yaml | 19:31 |
| shmerl | So what's the preferred way, to make spec directly or to use yaml? | 19:31 |
| jake9xx | shmerl: does libvorbis have source somewhere? | 19:31 |
| MSameer | shmerl: depends on what you use for building | 19:31 |
| shmerl | http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-core/libvorbis.git;a=blob_plain;f=libvorbis.changes;hb=HEAD | 19:31 |
| MSameer | shmerl: if you use sdk/qt creator/mb2 then I think you need yaml | 19:31 |
| shmerl | Sorry, wrong link: http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-core/libvorbis.git;a=tree | 19:32 |
| shmerl | MSammer: I think writing yaml should be a bit easier than writing a full RPM spec. | 19:32 |
| MSameer | shmerl: I use make + emacs inside sb2 and obs if I need to build RPM files so I don't need yaml for anything | 19:33 |
| shmerl | OK | 19:33 |
| MSameer | shmerl: well, write yaml, use specify to generate spec then rm *.yaml :D | 19:33 |
| shmerl | I use that with mer sdk as well. | 19:33 |
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| shmerl | Right, I was just confused by the libvorbis's yaml. | 19:34 |
| lbt | you can use combinations of yaml/spec | 19:34 |
| shmerl | Couldn't figure out how it know where to place the result. | 19:34 |
| lbt | yaml is useful to easily edit the data and handles sub-packages well; it's more compact and cleaner than spec | 19:34 |
| MSameer | shmerl: that vorbis is old | 19:35 |
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| shmerl | MSameer: You mean the yaml or spec? | 19:35 |
| shmerl | That's Mer's package at least. | 19:35 |
| jake9xx | lbt: ^ is yaml absolutely needed in mer sdk ? | 19:35 |
| MSameer | shmerl: oh sorry. that is the correct one | 19:35 |
| lbt | jake9xx: it should not be | 19:36 |
| lbt | if someone wanted to write pure spec then that's fine | 19:36 |
| shmerl | I guess yaml is a bit higher level, so it should be easier in theory | 19:36 |
| jake9xx | lbt: I think so too, MB2 might issue warning in specify phase but then it should be good | 19:37 |
| lbt | the concept is that it is much simpler for new users and still allows total expert control | 19:37 |
| coderus | who is window compositor in wayland sailfish, who controlling system gestures? lipstick itself? | 19:38 |
| lbt | yes | 19:38 |
| lbt | afaiui | 19:38 |
| MSameer | coderus: lipstick yes | 19:39 |
| coderus | MSameer: thanks, good | 19:39 |
| shmerl | So, what's the story with libvorbis, does that yaml spec corespond to the | 19:42 |
| shmerl | rpm spec or they are disconnected? | 19:43 |
| coderus | who can look in jollla-lipstick sources for me? | 19:43 |
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| lbt | coderus: it's better to just ask questions :) | 19:44 |
| lbt | shmerl: they're connected | 19:45 |
| coderus | i want to know is there any available values import from env, gconf or other to set rotation angle for lipstick compositor | 19:45 |
| MSameer | shmerl: when yaml is edited, run specify to generate spec | 19:45 |
| shmerl | lbt: Can you explain a bit how does it know from that yaml where to place the result? For me it's way obscure. | 19:45 |
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| shmerl | I mean I don't see anything like Files and etc. | 19:46 |
| lbt | someone decided to list the files in the spec and not in the yaml | 19:46 |
| lbt | which is fine but odd | 19:46 |
| shmerl | Ah | 19:46 |
| MSameer | the first time i know that yaml can contain files | 19:46 |
| shmerl | MSammer: I started with the Hello World example from lbt :) | 19:47 |
| lbt | MSameer: yaml is just another format for data in the spec | 19:47 |
| lbt | shmerl: the lines between # >> files devel .... # << files devel are not touched by specify | 19:47 |
| MSameer | lbt: yup, fine. I strip it all the time :p | 19:47 |
| shmerl | I see | 19:48 |
| lbt | MSameer: it depends whether you're writing stuff for yourself or for others who may not grok the spec format | 19:48 |
| shmerl | So it takes them straight from yaml if they are present. | 19:48 |
| lbt | yes | 19:48 |
| shmerl | OK | 19:48 |
| lbt | and if you created a Files: section with : - '%{_includedir}/vorbis' | 19:49 |
| MSameer | lbt: that's a discussion which does not belong here but AFAICT most of nemo has yaml stripped | 19:49 |
| coderus | lipstick compositor should get orientation values somewhere, like meego gets context Screen.TopEdge. can anyone tell me details? | 19:49 |
| shmerl | I'm OK with taking it to #mer | 19:49 |
| lbt | MSameer: yep... just like MeeGo .. the devs cared more about their situation than new users/developers ... raising the bar was seen as a good thing ... | 19:50 |
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| shmerl | MSammer: I used this example: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/index.php?title=Building_against_Mer_in_Community_OBS and it basically proposes to use yaml as a starting point. | 19:52 |
| shmerl | So that's what I was starting with. | 19:52 |
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| shmerl | btw, I guess libopus should be split in lib and devel packages? | 19:53 |
| MSameer | shmerl: no worries. use yaml if it makes your life easier but you will throw it away at some point :P | 19:53 |
| MSameer | shmerl: yup | 19:53 |
| jake9xx | coderus: ping | 19:54 |
| shmerl | MSammeer: I know spec just barely more than yaml :) So I need to learn both. | 19:54 |
| coderus | jake9xx: yo | 19:54 |
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| MSameer | shmerl: the point is that I always base my spec on top of another spec and specs are all over the place | 20:00 |
| MSameer | shmerl: but that's just me. others use whatever is easier for them | 20:01 |
| shmerl | You mean you use one spec as a base for making another? | 20:01 |
| MSameer | shmerl: yup | 20:01 |
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| MSameer | I am not superman :) | 20:01 |
| shmerl | That's what I was trying to do with yaml now :) And used libvorbis one and it was confusing. | 20:01 |
| shmerl | I guess I should just pick another yaml as an example. | 20:02 |
| MSameer | shmerl: you picked up the wrong yaml. sorry for that :) | 20:02 |
| shmerl | OK, np :) | 20:02 |
| MSameer | what's an "interactive" audio codec ? | 20:03 |
| shmerl | I guess it means it adapts to the use case dynamically. | 20:03 |
| MSameer | vbr? | 20:04 |
| shmerl | No. Opus has two modes of operation - "speech" and "music" | 20:04 |
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| shmerl | And it can change them at runtime. | 20:04 |
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| shmerl | It's more than just vbr. | 20:04 |
| MSameer | i have to admit i know nothing about it | 20:05 |
| shmerl | They essentially melted together CELT and SILK | 20:05 |
| MSameer | never came across any opus media :/ | 20:05 |
| shmerl | There were some good docs published recently. One sec. | 20:05 |
| shmerl | Opus is pretty new / cutting edge. | 20:06 |
| shmerl | But it's already part of the WebRTC standard. | 20:06 |
| shmerl | So it has good chances of adoption. | 20:06 |
| shmerl | Here you go: http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/opus/demo3.shtml | 20:07 |
| MSameer | i hope webrtc will fly so i can kill skype | 20:07 |
| MSameer | shmerl: thanks | 20:07 |
| * MSameer reads | 20:07 | |
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| shmerl | More stuff here: http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/index.html | 20:08 |
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| shmerl | I killed Skype a while ago already, though Jingle calls are pretty erratic between different clients. | 20:10 |
| shmerl | Btw Skype contributed the SILK codec for Opus. | 20:11 |
| shmerl | It's very unusual to see MS making a statement about royalty free patent usage :P But that happened before MS bought Skype I guess, so they just didn't revert it. | 20:12 |
| shmerl | https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1914/ | 20:13 |
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| shmerl | As for Opus media - I didn't see much of it either :) But at least Firefox and Chrome should support it already (in the Ogg container). Rockbox can play opus files as well (on Sansa players for example). | 20:20 |
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| MSameer | why isn't Artem here? :/ | 20:23 |
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| MSameer | want to take his permission before I create a competitive app :p | 20:23 |
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| Nicd- | is the spec file created automatically? | 21:28 |
| Nicd- | or supposed to be? | 21:28 |
| Nicd- | because now my yaml file has conflicting information but it hasn't broken anything | 21:28 |
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| Frye | Nicd-, I think you can remove the spec file if it's out of sync | 21:41 |
| Frye | and that it will be generated from the yaml | 21:41 |
| Frye | I may be wrong though | 21:41 |
| Nicd- | Frye: when I did my deploy failed | 21:41 |
| Frye | So take a backup | 21:41 |
| Nicd- | "no spec file and cannot create from yaml" | 21:42 |
| Frye | Then I'm clueless | 21:42 |
| Frye | I think it was supposed to be generated from the yaml :D | 21:42 |
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| Frye | Hopefully soeone with more knowledge about the sdk comes active soon | 21:43 |
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| jake9xx | Frye: ?? | 21:49 |
| Frye | jake9xx, Nicd- has some problems with his yaml & spec files. | 21:50 |
| Nicd- | jake9xx: I have a foo.yaml file and a foo.spec file | 21:50 |
| Nicd- | they both have seem to have the same info so I have to edit them both if I want to change something | 21:51 |
| Nicd- | changing the yaml file doesn't change the spec file | 21:51 |
| jake9xx | lbt: kaltsi ^ | 21:52 |
| jake9xx | sounds like a but in the toolchain | 21:52 |
| * lbt looks | 21:52 | |
| Nicd- | am I right to guess that the yaml should autogenerate the spec file? | 21:52 |
| lbt | yes | 21:52 |
| jake9xx | yes, if spec does not exist then on first round of build yaml -> generates a spec | 21:53 |
| jake9xx | and name is <name-of>.yaml = <name-of>.yaml | 21:53 |
| Nicd- | I'll try deleting the spec file | 21:53 |
| lbt | the script that runs is called mb2 ... it has a little routine it checks the spec/yaml datestamp and updates the spec if needed | 21:54 |
| lbt | if you edit the yaml and then edit the spec... | 21:54 |
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| lbt | you can safely delete the spec file if you haven't made any modifications | 21:55 |
| jake9xx | +1 | 21:55 |
| Nicd- | oh yay, now it changed | 21:56 |
| Nicd- | didn't even delete it, just changed the yaml file and built | 21:57 |
| lbt | yes | 21:57 |
| lbt | ah | 21:57 |
| Nicd- | maybe my timestamps were indeed wrong | 21:57 |
| lbt | the spec is only updated when you build :) | 21:57 |
| lbt | not when you save the yaml | 21:57 |
| lbt | since, historically, the build VM may not have been running | 21:57 |
| Nicd- | so should I include spec file in my git repo? | 21:59 |
| ottulo | Nicd-: seems to work fine for me | 21:59 |
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| lbt | Nicd-: good question... I would say yes | 21:59 |
| lbt | things like the commnity OBS will not automatically make a spec file for you (yet); also more complex projects can have extra things in the spec file | 22:00 |
| lbt | so as best-practices, yes | 22:00 |
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| Nicd- | ok, thanks for your help | 22:04 |
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| jake9xx | Nicd-: I recommend to include both spec and yaml | 22:12 |
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