| artemma | I posted HelloWorld Pro template/wizard for Jolla yesterday. 10 retweets, 75 clicks. Retweeters + me altogether have 6.6K followers. | 00:01 |
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| artemma | Now what does it tell us about he size of Jolla developer community? | 00:01 |
| planasb | how much cost Jolla phone ? | 00:02 |
| artemma | but then clicks were counted for tweet only. Some people picked up the link from mailing list of this channel probably. Ah.. should have arranged experiment better | 00:02 |
| artemma | or* this channel probably | 00:03 |
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| kaltsi | Wnt: did you solve the install problem already? | 05:38 |
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| zuh | Possibly related to install problems: Do *not* touch the "Allow developer updates" unless you know exactly what happens when you do and how to undo it. It will break store and developer mode. | 06:32 |
| tbr | yup :) | 06:35 |
| tbr | although IMO it's a bug that stuff stops working once you touch that, but don't enter valid credentials... | 06:36 |
| zuh | Indeed | 06:36 |
| zuh | And when the option is a bit fuzzy on details... "Allow developer updates" (well I'm a developer, and in developer mode!) and "requires registration" (oh yeah, registered with jolla account & harbour) | 06:37 |
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| tbr | yup | 06:42 |
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| crevetor | hi guys | 08:07 |
| Stskeeps | morn crevetor | 08:07 |
| crevetor | 2 questions : is QtLocation/QtPositioning supported on the device ATM ? | 08:07 |
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| crevetor | and is there instructions somewhere to build an rpm for the harbour (setting up the right target, etc) | 08:08 |
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| Stskeeps | https://harbour.jolla.com/faq | 08:08 |
| crevetor | So that means no QtLocation/QtPositioning | 08:10 |
| Stskeeps | as in it's there but not supported, as it's not really a stable abi yet | 08:10 |
| crevetor | Ok | 08:10 |
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| crevetor | What's the url I should use to get a build target for the actual device ? | 08:11 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: a | 08:13 |
| Stskeeps | crevetor: hmm, i don't know | 08:14 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: also are the applications supposed to all have their settings in a centralised place ? | 08:14 |
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| crevetor | Stskeeps: and how do people go about creating an RPM that they can put on the harbour ? I don't have an arm target setup in my SDK, is that normal ? | 08:17 |
| kaltsi | crevetor: which sdk do you have.. arm target was introduced in the "1310" installer | 08:18 |
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| Wnt | kaltsi: not yet | 08:18 |
| kaltsi | Wnt: ok.. do you have ssh/fingerterm.. can you check what "ssu domain" says? | 08:19 |
| crevetor | kaltsi: is that info only available in the installer ? Cause I think I deleted the installer. | 08:19 |
| Wnt | kaltsi: just a minute | 08:19 |
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| kaltsi | crevetor: hmm you could check qtcreator build date from the about dialog | 08:20 |
| crevetor | july 31st | 08:20 |
| Wnt | kaltsi: "Device domain is currently: jolla" | 08:20 |
| kaltsi | crevetor: ok that looks like it's installed from old sdk, could you get a new installer from sailfishos.org? | 08:20 |
| crevetor | sure thing | 08:21 |
| kaltsi | Wnt: ok.. do: ssu domain sales => you'll be fine after that :) | 08:21 |
| Wnt | kaltsi: ok, thanks! | 08:21 |
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| Suprano | Morning | 09:56 |
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| marenz | fawzi! | 09:58 |
| fawzi | hi | 09:59 |
| marenz | Hi | 09:59 |
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| Master-Passeli | hi, how is the location things working on sailfish if QtLocation/QtPositioning modules are not there? | 10:11 |
| Master-Passeli | if i understund right QtMobility contains some location things but it was not supported either | 10:12 |
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| tbr | Master-Passeli: mobility is gone. Things were reorganized in Qt5 and there should be APIs in that. | 10:22 |
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| Master-Passeli | i can not find any API from Qt5 which handles GPS type of positioning or is that implemented by some other library | 10:28 |
| tbr | Master-Passeli: /usr/lib/qt5/qml/QtLocation -- sure looks like something to me... | 10:31 |
| Master-Passeli | oh, that's promising. i was reading this harbour.jolla.com/faq and QML API list from there. That list is outdated or I'm missing something here. | 10:34 |
| Master-Passeli | but excellent if that is included | 10:34 |
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| kaltsi | Master-Passeli: believe the faq until it changes, otherwise you will be disappointed if you try to send an app to the harbour | 10:35 |
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| Master-Passeli | ok, actually i don't even have the SDK installed but i'm going to play with Sailfish when my phone comes :) | 10:37 |
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| tachikoma | hola | 10:44 |
| piippo | ola | 10:45 |
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| Tofe | I wonder, out of curiosity, is there a "ls -lR" file list of the sailfish os rootfs image for the Jolla device ? | 10:45 |
| Tofe | or even just a tree view | 10:46 |
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| tachikoma | awesome, the sdk even comes with a tutorial | 10:58 |
| piee | and then | 10:59 |
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| leinir | by the way - any sailors here right now who could poke the care team to look at ticket 2062? just 'cos i did pay, but it's not showing up and such, which is a little silly, and i'd rather not have that 314 euros hanging in the ether for too long ;) | 11:00 |
| tachikoma | mh, i have had issues with paying, so now i have 4 phones in my shop basket and one is paid, two are waiting for payment and one is canceled. I assume that should not be any problem, however, if i need to do something about that, let me know | 11:03 |
| leinir | well, my problem is i /did/ pay, payment accepted and everything, but the session had timed out when i got back to the shop site, and after logging in, it obviously must have lost the response and now it doesn't know the payment succeeded... | 11:04 |
| tachikoma | hm, sound like you should the care team by mail | 11:05 |
| leinir | i did | 11:06 |
| leinir | hence the ticket number :) | 11:06 |
| tachikoma | lol, sorry, i did not realize that | 11:08 |
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| leinir | Hehe, nothing to apologise for :) | 11:21 |
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| tortoisedoc | aha! | 12:40 |
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| tortoisedoc | I think I have finally found the reason for the batterly leakage | 12:40 |
| tortoisedoc | when net is on (data / wlan) it drains alot | 12:40 |
| tortoisedoc | more than when it is no | 12:40 |
| tortoisedoc | *not | 12:40 |
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| TheBootroo | yey finally got my 'CityBike' app approved on harbour : | 13:06 |
| TheBootroo | ! | 13:06 |
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| Hartzi | TheBootroo: nice | 13:06 |
| Hartzi | what the app does? :P | 13:06 |
| TheBootroo | Hartzi: A simple application to use the bike service of JCDecaux in many cities in the world. It allows you to search stations, and view the count of bikes and free slots. | 13:07 |
| TheBootroo | It has a nice map of the cities it covers. It also features a time counting cover view, to simply track your time usage when app is minimized. | 13:08 |
| Hartzi | oh nice :) | 13:08 |
| Hartzi | any finnish cities there? | 13:08 |
| TheBootroo | lemme chck | 13:08 |
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| TheBootroo | Hartzi: seems that no, only 2 cities for Swedish and 1 for Norway | 13:10 |
| Hartzi | okay | 13:10 |
| TheBootroo | full list here https://developer.jcdecaux.com/#/opendata/vls?page=static | 13:10 |
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| Tofe | TheBootroo: Great ! | 13:15 |
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| TomMettam | Hello :) has anyone experienced issues with launching the Mer SDK VM in windows? | 14:15 |
| TomMettam | it worked once but won't launch again :/ | 14:15 |
| tortoisedoc | TomMettam | 14:17 |
| TomMettam | Hello :) | 14:17 |
| tortoisedoc | what you mean by launching again? | 14:17 |
| tachikoma | TomMettam: sorry, i just fail getting it to work under linux | 14:17 |
| tortoisedoc | there are problems when trying to compile after a suspend | 14:17 |
| tachikoma | but my problem is VirtualBox, images can;t be booted now | 14:17 |
| tortoisedoc | hmm | 14:18 |
| tortoisedoc | so qtcreator can't connect? | 14:18 |
| TomMettam | I managed to get it to launch now. It seems to be highly tempremental though, it takes several attempts to connect successfully | 14:18 |
| tortoisedoc | it takes some time | 14:18 |
| tortoisedoc | to launch it | 14:18 |
| TomMettam | yes, but it times out in a few seconds :P | 14:18 |
| TomMettam | so you have to try multiple times | 14:18 |
| tortoisedoc | hmm even after the vm has started properly? | 14:18 |
| TomMettam | yep | 14:19 |
| tortoisedoc | intresting | 14:20 |
| tortoisedoc | that is exactly what happens to me after a system resume (from suspend for example) | 14:20 |
| tortoisedoc | another issue | 14:20 |
| tortoisedoc | with wlan this time | 14:20 |
| tortoisedoc | coming from home (wlan1) to office (wlan2), wlan2 never used, trying to connect to wlan2 fails | 14:20 |
| tortoisedoc | phone does not ask for pass for wlan2 | 14:21 |
| tortoisedoc | after reboot, it does | 14:21 |
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| tortoisedoc | suspicious | 14:23 |
| tortoisedoc | could it be | 14:23 |
| tortoisedoc | it sets only one password for all wlan's (bug)?? :D | 14:24 |
| TomMettam | It seems once I have an app running it's stable, i can relaunch them at any time | 14:24 |
| TomMettam | but after the vm has booted, it seems to take many attempts before i can connect to it to deploy | 14:25 |
| TomMettam | i wonder if stuff hasn't actually started in the background | 14:25 |
| tortoisedoc | TomMettam : yes it takes time until the vm has properly booted | 14:25 |
| TomMettam | ahhh | 14:25 |
| tortoisedoc | (depending on your hw) | 14:25 |
| tortoisedoc | hmm | 14:25 |
| TomMettam | Can't wait to get my jolla so i can try this on an actual device :) | 14:26 |
| tortoisedoc | how can I get wget.. | 14:29 |
| tortoisedoc | let's see | 14:29 |
| tortoisedoc | should be mer tool right? | 14:30 |
| tortoisedoc | mer-tools is installed | 14:30 |
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| TomMettam | oh dear, the default sample app segfaulted :P | 14:31 |
| tortoisedoc | zypper not available on device | 14:32 |
| Frye | tortoisedoc, pkcon is the replacement methinks | 14:34 |
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| tortoisedoc | thanks frye | 14:35 |
| TomMettam | does anyone know if there is a way to programatically disable the gesture interaction? In situations like a game that requires a lot of swiping, i can imagine them getting in the way | 14:36 |
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| w00t | set Qt::WindowOverridesSystemGestures on your window | 14:40 |
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| TomMettam | ah, gotcha. thanks | 14:40 |
| tortoisedoc | w00t : it seems compositor renders QQuickView's on (0,0) corner by default | 14:43 |
| tortoisedoc | can that be overridden? | 14:43 |
| w00t | tortoisedoc: no | 14:44 |
| w00t | make your view fullscreen and offset the content yourself | 14:44 |
| tortoisedoc | w00t : thanks | 14:44 |
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| tortoisedoc | w00t : repo for qt5-tools? | 14:45 |
| tortoisedoc | I guess I should not try to rely on the nemo ones (from device) | 14:46 |
| w00t | what tools are you trying to use? | 14:46 |
| tortoisedoc | wget / qtdbus | 14:47 |
| tortoisedoc | (wget is not in qt but heh) | 14:47 |
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| w00t | qt5-qttools-qdbus should just be in the default repos | 14:49 |
| tortoisedoc | auth failed :/ | 14:49 |
| w00t | hmm? | 14:50 |
| tortoisedoc | ssu auth | 14:50 |
| tortoisedoc | (is ssu setup correctly?) | 14:50 |
| Aard | tortoisedoc: output of ssu domain, please | 14:51 |
| tortoisedoc | credentials-url-jolla=https://download.jollamobile.com credentials-url-store=https://store-repository.jolla.com | 14:54 |
| tortoisedoc | hmm | 14:54 |
| tortoisedoc | Aard: how to get it from command line? | 14:54 |
| Aard | tortoisedoc: you type ssu domain, and press enter :) | 14:54 |
| tortoisedoc | xD | 14:54 |
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| tortoisedoc | Device domain : jolla | 14:55 |
| tortoisedoc | hey ssu domain is *NOT* in the help screen of ssu :P | 14:55 |
| Aard | ok, you tried to register for developer updates we don't provide yet, and hit the bug where it changes the domain on unsuccessful registration attempts | 14:56 |
| Aard | do ssu domain sales, and things should work again | 14:56 |
| Aard | tortoisedoc: ideally the user should not need to know about ssu domains at all ;) | 14:57 |
| tortoisedoc | Aard : noo why it is so much fun :P | 14:59 |
| tortoisedoc | ok got my apk :D | 14:59 |
| tortoisedoc | how to install it via command line? | 14:59 |
| tortoisedoc | hm | 15:05 |
| tortoisedoc | browser does not suggest to install it | 15:05 |
| artemma | A-and Helloworld Pro got approved by Jolla Harbour! So you've got an officially good template that doesn't make a developer heart cry and passes App Store validation! https://github.com/amarchen/helloworld-pro-sailfish | 15:05 |
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| Aard | tortoisedoc: xdg-open `pwd`/path-to-apk | 15:07 |
| Aard | or if you downloaded it from browser, go to transferui, and tap on it there | 15:08 |
| tortoisedoc | Aard : aah right | 15:12 |
| tortoisedoc | actually I found apkd-install :P | 15:12 |
| tortoisedoc | I wonder if I can associate android apps with mime types yet? | 15:13 |
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| sharpneli | What are the march and other flags used in sailfish by default? | 15:47 |
| sharpneli | I'm compiling stuff manually | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | -marm -mfloat-abi=hard -march=armv7-a -mfpu=vfpv3-d16 | 15:48 |
| sharpneli | Thanks! | 15:48 |
| Hurrian | Stskeeps: no NEON? | 15:48 |
| Stskeeps | Hurrian: you can do NEON if you want, it'll probably be new basis of sailfish | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | we just didn't do the switch yet | 15:49 |
| Hurrian | ah. | 15:49 |
| sharpneli | Funnily enough I've actually gotten performance regressions if I've built stuff for neon | 15:51 |
| Hurrian | You should probably work with the Mer team to chase armv7tnhl again ;) | 15:51 |
| Stskeeps | oh, it does work | 15:52 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: the qemu issues got sorted out? | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | just that it started working way too late and we didn't see sufficient impact | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: AFAIK | 15:52 |
| w00t | cool | 15:52 |
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| sharpneli | I'm trying to build and run the test_glesv2.c under hybris. However on device it segfaults at #3 0x40046e94 in eglCreateWindowSurface () from /usr/lib/libEGL.so.1 | 16:12 |
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| Stskeeps | it probably doesn't work that easily fwiw | 16:13 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:13 |
| zuh | sharpneli: what Stskeeps said, but do you run it as nemo? Without setting EGL_PLATFORM=fbdev? That would crash about there I believe... | 16:14 |
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| sharpneli | zuh: Works. Thanks | 16:16 |
| sharpneli | I tried to google but I was unable to find that particular info | 16:16 |
| Hurrian | Stskeeps: noticed a bug in your timezone info: Asia/Manila shouldn't be UTC +9, it's +8 ;) | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | Hurrian: eep | 16:17 |
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| Stskeeps | Hurrian: DST involved? | 16:21 |
| Stskeeps | Hurrian: filed sailfish bug | 16:21 |
| Yaniel | sharpneli: where are you trying to set sailfish up? | 16:21 |
| Hurrian | Stskeeps: We're not a DST country (anymore) :) | 16:22 |
| sharpneli | Yaniel: I'm doing a benchmark of https://github.com/libhybris/libhybris/blob/master/hybris/glesv2/glesv2.c | 16:24 |
| Yaniel | ah | 16:24 |
| sharpneli | I have my own GLESv2 running and working now | 16:24 |
| sharpneli | I'm going to test the supplied GLES2_DLSYM macro versus #define GLES2_DLSYM(sym) do { if (__builtin_expect(*(_ ## sym) == NULL,0)) {if (_libglesv2 == NULL) { _init_androidglesv2(); }; *(&_ ## sym) = (void *) android_dlsym(_libglesv2, #sym); } } while (0) this one | 16:24 |
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| Yaniel | ah right this was the project with the empy README etc files | 16:25 |
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| Hurrian | Stskeeps: other than that, I've been playing with SFOS binaries on a certain OMAP3630 device, and it's jaw-droppingly pretty. | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | Hurrian: n950? | 16:32 |
| Hurrian | N9 ;) | 16:33 |
| * Hurrian notes to self to buy real jPhone to experience it without the bugs :P | 16:33 | |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 16:33 |
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| sigmaorion | Hurrian, that means running SFOS over Nokia's kernel adaptation? | 16:47 |
| Hurrian | sigmaorion, nokia's kernel adaptation which was eventually handed over to Nemo/Mer project ;) | 16:48 |
| Hurrian | so yes, I guess. 2.6.32. | 16:48 |
| Hurrian | the 3.x kernel is said to improve performance, but it doesn't like the N9 too much :P | 16:49 |
| sigmaorion | Hurrian, that's pretty nice! But what about, for example, GPS? Would it work that way or does it have the same limitation as in Nemo? | 16:49 |
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| Hurrian | sigmaorion: GPS and camera are broken. | 16:50 |
| Hurrian | Camera could probably be fixed, GPS is doubtful. | 16:50 |
| sigmaorion | yeah, GPS needs reverse engineering, right? | 16:52 |
| w00t | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation/N9-N950#GPS | 16:52 |
| TomMettam | wouldn't the GPS module just be NMEA? | 16:52 |
| w00t | no, which is why it's not straightforward | 16:52 |
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| Hurrian | unless someone would like to rip gpsd straight off harmattan, it's not happening. | 16:53 |
| sigmaorion | w00t, what exactly needs to be reverse-engineered? the protocol, the binaries or both? | 16:53 |
| w00t | sigmaorion: i have no idea anymore, i'm out of touch with the device/problem - the notes on that page are what I came up with when I looked at this last | 16:54 |
| sigmaorion | yeah, anyway, we are getting off-topic, I guess :) | 16:55 |
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| sigmaorion | I'm out for lunch, cya later guys! | 16:55 |
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| saildev | i've had this problem: "Error while building/deploying project (kit: MerSDK-SailfishOS-armv7hl) -- When executing step 'Rpm'" | 18:13 |
| saildev | ehm, i've had this problem before but either cleaning project, restarting sdk or rebooting computer has worked.. now nothing seems to work i've tried. any ideas? :) | 18:13 |
| saildev | oh, never mind.. it was just that i didn't have an app icon... :/ | 18:16 |
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| otto_ | Are there some docs somewhere that explain what the Developer Mode does? | 18:24 |
| otto_ | I can see that it enables the Fingerterm app, but I'd like to know more as the warning dialog says it can physically damage my phone. | 18:24 |
| tbr | otto_: well, you can devel-su and then proceed to alter files necessary to boot the phone, rendering it unbootable and needing a reflash by jolla | 18:27 |
| tbr | as there is currently no public flasher that would mean sending the phone in or if a sailor is kind enough meeting up with them | 18:28 |
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| tbr | possibly you could overwrite further data (just like on N900 and N9) that would render the device permanently unusable (aka a brick) | 18:29 |
| otto_ | tbr: does the developer mode activation do anything besides reveal the fingerterm app? | 18:29 |
| special | otto_: yes, it enables SSH, etc | 18:30 |
| tbr | it installs the developer-mode package that does presumably a couple more things | 18:30 |
| tbr | also developer USB mode | 18:30 |
| sharpneli | Jolla needs a Stowaway program with some sort of NDA that would allow ppl to get a flashable image | 18:30 |
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| tbr | sharpneli: I think they are working on public images and safe ways to flash the device. Remember, their priority was to ship a device. :) | 18:32 |
| sharpneli | I'd be happy to visit Ruoholahti (and pub Amsterdam ;) and sign some soul binding agreement with my blood only if that would allow me to play with the device :D | 18:32 |
| sharpneli | I know :) | 18:32 |
| Stskeeps | food at meritahti first | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:33 |
| tbr | also Meritähti is acceptable | 18:33 |
| tbr | lol | 18:33 |
| tbr | good burgers there | 18:33 |
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| otto_ | ok, so I'll run rpm -A | grep developer-mode and check out that package to see what installing it brings | 18:34 |
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| sharpneli | I've lost count of the Meritähti -> Amsterdam evenings I've had there :D | 18:36 |
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| Stskeeps | sharpneli: we continue the proud tradition | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:42 |
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| sharpneli | As it should be o/ | 18:44 |
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| shmerl | MSameer: Hi! | 18:57 |
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| stephg | evening everyone | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | evening | 19:09 |
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| stephg | I am in the kitchen making risotto | 19:10 |
| stephg | (I thought you'd all like to know that) | 19:11 |
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| sigmaorion | stephg, bon appétit! | 19:15 |
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| stephg | why thankyou! | 19:15 |
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| sigmaorion | some day try milanesa napolitana (http://travellingwithana.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/c-milanesa.jpg), my favorite, hehe! | 19:17 |
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| JodiJodiJodi | Hello? | 19:21 |
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| stephg | hello! | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | well hello there | 19:22 |
| JodiJodiJodi | Ah life! | 19:22 |
| JodiJodiJodi | Anyone know where I could get help getting the Vms to work with the sdk in windows - I'm having ... issues. | 19:23 |
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| shmerl | Stskeeps: Do you know if /etc/zypp/repos.d/mer-tools.repo can be just removed from the SDK? | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | shmerl: you probably can't, but, there's a workaround on mer-general | 19:23 |
| stephg | JodiJodiJodi what are the issues you're having | 19:23 |
| stephg | (not used it on Windows but we might be able to help) | 19:24 |
| shmerl | For me it points to meego.com for some reason. | 19:24 |
| JodiJodiJodi | QtCreator doesn't seem to be able to see the MerSDK and Emulator VMs properly. | 19:24 |
| JodiJodiJodi | I suspect it's just my machine setup, but I have no idea where to look for solving it. | 19:24 |
| stephg | and either/both of the VMs are running? | 19:25 |
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| JodiJodiJodi | ok. So I can start the VMs manually in my control panel. But If I use qtcreator to start them, it fails. | 19:25 |
| stephg | any error? | 19:25 |
| JodiJodiJodi | but even if the sdk and emulator are running, qtcreator doesn't see them and prompts me to start them | 19:25 |
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| stephg | which version of virtualbox? | 19:26 |
| JodiJodiJodi | (when I press the run button) | 19:26 |
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| JodiJodiJodi | hang a mo - finding the version... | 19:26 |
| fk_lx | JodiJodiJodi: sometimes going to settings and regenerating keys help | 19:27 |
| fk_lx | also restart of QtCreator | 19:27 |
| shmerl | Do you mean this? http://www.mail-archive.com/mer-general@lists.merproject.org/msg01263.html | 19:27 |
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| JodiJodiJodi | 4.3.0 r89960 | 19:27 |
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| shmerl | Stskeeps: It looks like I already applied that workaround in the past. I just forgot that it steel kept repo.pub.meego.com in the configs. | 19:29 |
| JodiJodiJodi | As an aside. Is it possible to run the SDK inside a linux vm on a windows host? | 19:30 |
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| stephg | JodiJodiJodi in principle it should work I'd have thought | 19:31 |
| special | if you wanted to, I don't see why not. You might want to enable passthrough of the CPU virtualization features if your windows VM software supports it | 19:31 |
| JodiJodiJodi | If I cannot get the windows sdk to work - I might try it inside my linux vm instead. | 19:31 |
| sigmaorion | JodiJodiJodi, I've got no issues on W7 home premium... whay Win version do you use? | 19:34 |
| JodiJodiJodi | Win7 pro x64 | 19:34 |
| stephg | you're vbox is a little on the old side | 19:35 |
| stephg | (just saying) | 19:35 |
| JodiJodiJodi | oh - is it? | 19:35 |
| JodiJodiJodi | ok - ill upgrade that first. | 19:35 |
| JodiJodiJodi | Oh, and I used non-standard install paths for the SDK. Is that known to be an issue? | 19:36 |
| stephg | might be, you can have issues with the sdk/qtcreator not finding things if you do that in linux | 19:37 |
| stephg | but that shouldn't impact whether it can see the VMs or not | 19:37 |
| JodiJodiJodi | Yea, I noticed it didn't honour the non-default home path. Had to move my project to c:\users\<login name>\ | 19:39 |
| JodiJodiJodi | I also had QtCreator already installed before installing the SDK. Hopefully that doesn't confuse things either. | 19:40 |
| stephg | it might | 19:40 |
| stephg | do you have several projects? | 19:40 |
| JodiJodiJodi | heh. hence why I believe it's more a problem with my machine than the SDK itself. | 19:40 |
| stephg | if not, I'd upgrade the vbox and then nuke everything and reinstall | 19:40 |
| JodiJodiJodi | Yup. I'll keep trying. I will not give up quite yet. | 19:42 |
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| stephg | good luck and let us know how you get on :) | 19:43 |
| JodiJodiJodi | ta | 19:44 |
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| JodiJodiJodi | yea. I started the SDK vm manually, QtCreator said the emulator wasn't started. I said don't start it, and it built fine. Seems the tool that detects the VMs doesn't work properly. | 19:49 |
| JodiJodiJodi | anyway - off to reinstall stuff. BBL. | 19:49 |
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| stephg | gluck | 19:49 |
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| sigmaorion | JodiJodiJodi, VB 4.2.18 here... so it might not be the VB version I guess | 19:54 |
| stephg | sigmaorion good spot | 19:56 |
| stephg | I was kinda going on the hunch that (certainly the sailfish) sdk was a bit of a moving target | 19:56 |
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| stephg | but it does sound rather environmental | 19:56 |
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| sigmaorion | so... is there any bored volunteer who would like to test my very tiny app in a real device? (asked on the mailing list as well already, it's a "game" for babies) | 20:00 |
| sigmaorion | * of course I would provide sources!!! | 20:02 |
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| Wnt | should the ApplicationWindow activate() deactivate() methods work in the emulator? | 20:16 |
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| Wnt | I have a CoverAction with "onTriggered: { pageStack.pop(); mainWindow.activate(); }", but the application doesn't come to the foreground | 20:17 |
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| sigmaorion | Wnt, just a shoot in the darkness... what about focus()? | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | Wnt: emulator may have a more ancient version than the device of compositor | 20:24 |
| jabalv | why jolla? | 20:24 |
| jabalv | why 4,5" inch | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | jabalv: why not :) | 20:24 |
| jabalv | i don`t understand what people are doing with those large phones | 20:24 |
| jabalv | i think it`s suck | 20:24 |
| Yaniel | jabalv: they poke them | 20:24 |
| Yaniel | and in the case of the jolla, stroke | 20:25 |
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| jabalv | i just read about that and i thought would be good to have that phone | 20:25 |
| jabalv | then i read about size and my hands lay down | 20:25 |
| jabalv | i think there would be better market for phones if they go for smaller sizes | 20:25 |
| jabalv | max 4.1 | 20:25 |
| jabalv | not possible to manage so large phone in one hand | 20:26 |
| Yaniel | I agree, the current phones are hard to fit in a pocket nicely | 20:26 |
| jabalv | thats why iphone beats all, they made it compact and small, easy to manage in one hand | 20:26 |
| Bysmyyr | jabalv: sailfish makes managing better | 20:27 |
| jabalv | 4,5" inch | 20:27 |
| jabalv | software might be, but size of divice suck anyway | 20:27 |
| Yaniel | that was known fora long time already | 20:28 |
| Yaniel | just look at those specs ;) | 20:28 |
| shmerl | Btw, will Intel chips be much more expensive than Qualcomm ones? They are supposedly coming next year (Merrifield). | 20:29 |
| Yaniel | and FYI the iPhone 5S is 5" in diagonal | 20:29 |
| FabianS | jabalv: I like the extra screen space for typing and web browsing. | 20:29 |
| FabianS | I wouldn't get any phone with < 4.5" | 20:30 |
| shmerl | Yeah, more than 4.5" is not ergonomic. | 20:30 |
| Yaniel | hmm a side-by-side shot of the iPhone 5S and Jolla anyone? | 20:30 |
| Yaniel | looking at the iPhone specs atm | 20:31 |
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| Yaniel | and I get 5" diagonal for the phone and it says 4" screen | 20:31 |
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| shmerl | I think Jolla is just on the edge, where anything larger would be not comfortable. | 20:31 |
| Morpog_PC | Yaniel, iphone 4 http://mynokiablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Screen-Shot-2013-05-20-at-16.43.18.jpg | 20:31 |
| shmerl | I really have no idea how people use 5"+ screen handsets. | 20:31 |
| Yaniel | okay there the Jolla is just massive | 20:32 |
| FabianS | The iPhone is much bigger. | 20:32 |
| FabianS | *Jolla | 20:32 |
| FabianS | The iPhone is tiny | 20:33 |
| shmerl | I'd say n9 is compact. | 20:33 |
| Morpog_PC | Jolla and his old friends: http://cdn0.sbnation.com/assets/3650385/vs11-29_1306o.jpg | 20:33 |
| ShadowJK | Considering phones are moving into 6" screens now... | 20:33 |
| shmerl | There was Jolla with old friends actually running | 20:33 |
| FabianS | ShadowJK: Not really. | 20:33 |
| shmerl | Try putting such huge device in your front pocket. | 20:33 |
| FabianS | Highend phones are 4.5-5.2" | 20:33 |
| FabianS | S4, HTC One, Nexus 5, LG G2. | 20:34 |
| ShadowJK | Morpog_PC, hey, N810W is missing :) | 20:34 |
| shmerl | Here is a better one, Jolla & friends: https://diasp.eu/uploads/images/scaled_full_5cf0e3794e06af8a8bb4.jpg | 20:34 |
| Yaniel | heh, there it does not look that big | 20:35 |
| ShadowJK | heh | 20:35 |
| Wnt | Stskeeps: yeah: activate() and deactivate() seem to work on the device | 20:35 |
| sigmaorion | I think the right edges make it look bigger than it is | 20:35 |
| Morpog_PC | N900 is twice as thick :) | 20:35 |
| sigmaorion | (hard edges?) | 20:36 |
| FabianS | Phones got much slimmer. | 20:36 |
| FabianS | Any current "phablet" is slimmer than a 2010 smartphone. | 20:36 |
| ShadowJK | It's kinda weird, I'd have no issues putting N800 in any pocket whatsoever, because it's built so nicely.. It has lots of air inside the plastic, so shocks bumps and external force does not transmit to the internals easily | 20:36 |
| Yaniel | jabalv: anyway I'd like a slightly smaller phone too | 20:36 |
| ShadowJK | But N9 and jolla start looking scary to keep in pocket | 20:37 |
| Morpog_PC | FabianS, well N900 was a thick phone already when it was released | 20:37 |
| Yaniel | then again I haven't got my jolla yet so I can't say how well I'd get used to that | 20:37 |
| newin | hey all ! | 20:37 |
| Yaniel | hey newin | 20:37 |
| FabianS | The N9 is thick too. | 20:37 |
| newin | (from france btw...) | 20:38 |
| Morpog_PC | FabianS, yeah but it looks slim :) | 20:38 |
| guaqua | i'd say jolla is on the okay side. the screen size is fine, but could maybe loose a centimeter from the bottom where the screen doesn't extend to | 20:38 |
| lpotter | n9 is not thick. n95 is thick | 20:38 |
| FabianS | I like 5" screen size. | 20:38 |
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| Morpog_PC | guaqua, I think the lagre bezels are the masterplan for Jolla 2, so it fits a 4,7 to 4,9" display in same housing | 20:39 |
| guaqua | Morpog_PC: interesting. makes sense. same other half etc | 20:40 |
| FabianS | I think it's just cheaper to make a phone with fat bezels ;) | 20:41 |
| ShadowJK | Extra cushion for the fragile screens is nice too | 20:41 |
| Morpog_PC | FabianS, that too, but still applys to the masterplan for Jolla 2 :D | 20:41 |
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| ryukafalz | I had an N810 and having that physical kb was so nice | 20:54 |
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| shmerl | Is anyone using sapphire screens already? | 21:00 |
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| union[] | shmerl, yes | 21:16 |
| shmerl | Who exactly? | 21:16 |
| union[] | vertu is using sapphire screens, but their devices are not cheap | 21:17 |
| shmerl | Are those screens bumping the price or they are cost effective? | 21:18 |
| union[] | afaik, sapphire screens are expensive. It's not a problem for vertu because their devices are priced at around 5000 usd | 21:19 |
| union[] | http://www.slashgear.com/vertu-constellation-smartphone-uses-sapphire-crystal-front-and-android-4-2-02300008/ | 21:20 |
| shmerl | If it's not cost effective, then we probably won't see them used widely. | 21:20 |
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| union[] | I don't know, there are rumour that the next iphone will use it | 21:25 |
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| Wnt | Is there something like PageStack.onPop that I could use to reset the cover back to the default cover? | 21:41 |
| Wnt | when I pop a page from the page stack programmatically I can set the cover page back to the default, but if the user navigates backwards using a swipe gesture the cover page is set to undefined | 21:43 |
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| Wnt | oh, even the component gallery demo app loses it's cover when navigating back from the Cover view page | 21:48 |
| Wnt | but the one that is in the emulator preloaded (the one with web view) reverts back to the default cover | 21:49 |
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| Wnt | ah, the preloaded version has: onStatusChanged: { if (status == PageStatus.Deactivating) { mainWindow.cover = "private/DefaultCover.qml" | 21:55 |
| leinir | Wnt: you might want to have a look at Qt Quick's state system | 21:57 |
| leinir | suspect you'd be able to come up with something sensible that way | 21:58 |
| Wnt | peeking to the qml files of the preloaded silicacomponentgallery-qt5 revealed that | 21:59 |
| leinir | in particular two things will be of interest: the default state (what's in the properties when the page is first loaded, the state named ""), and the PropertyChange state thing | 21:59 |
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| JodiJodiJodi | So, tip of the day for windows SDK users: Run everything as administrator. | 22:02 |
| leinir | lolwindows | 22:02 |
| JodiJodiJodi | I blame the sdk makers for assuming root on windows ;-) | 22:02 |
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| stephg | JodiJodiJodi you're working then? | 22:03 |
| JodiJodiJodi | yup - I uninstalled, upgraded vbox, rebooted and reinstalled (installer needs to be run as admin). Then ran the IDE as admin, and it all works | 22:04 |
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| JodiJodiJodi | So I suspect I just ran into permission problems last time. | 22:04 |
| JodiJodiJodi | man, everytime I have issues with a computer it's permssions. Windows or Linux. bah. | 22:04 |
| stephg | ha | 22:05 |
| stephg | well at least you're functioning again :) | 22:05 |
| JodiJodiJodi | ta. | 22:06 |
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| Frye | If I use ListModel.append to add an element is there a way to get a pointer to it or somehow the index for it. | 23:24 |
| Frye | I'm appending a text field which I would like to have focus when added. | 23:24 |
| Frye | simply adding focus: true does not seem to do the trick | 23:25 |
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| DarkSim | So has anyone tried running Sailfish on a Nexus 4? | 23:45 |
| Morpog_PC | Have it perefectly running here on my Nexus 4 | 23:48 |
| Morpog_PC | even GPS works | 23:48 |
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| Morpog_PC | *joke* :D | 23:49 |
| DarkSim | :( | 23:50 |
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| DarkSim | I was offered a Nexus 4 for 115 USD | 23:50 |
| Morpog_PC | good deal | 23:50 |
| DarkSim | So I was hoping I could use it as my Sailfish phone | 23:50 |
| DarkSim | but if it doesn't have that ability :/ | 23:50 |
| ottulo | yet | 23:50 |
| DarkSim | Doesn't seem like it will ever happen | 23:51 |
| ottulo | someone got Sailfish working on Xperia | 23:51 |
| ottulo | so why not on Nexus? | 23:51 |
| Morpog_PC | that was SDK image | 23:51 |
| ottulo | still, it was working | 23:51 |
| Morpog_PC | ottulo, as soon as tutorial from Jolla is out, it will be on alot of devices I guess | 23:51 |
| DarkSim | So is the problem lying with A) the phone or B) Sailfish? | 23:52 |
| Morpog_PC | c) no one made it yet | 23:52 |
| ottulo | DarkSim: Sailfish hasn't been released by itself yet | 23:52 |
| ottulo | so it's more difficult to start porting | 23:52 |
| DarkSim | Because some people told me I should just use Mer as of now | 23:52 |
| Morpog_PC | DarkSim, getting nemomobile running on your Nexus4 is a very good preparation | 23:52 |
| DarkSim | So let's say that A) I'm not interested in a physical keyboard which The Other Half MIGHT bring | 23:52 |
| Morpog_PC | see N950/N9 | 23:52 |
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| DarkSim | Would the Sailfish without the Other Half be good still? | 23:53 |
| Morpog_PC | DarkSim, that physical keyboard is nonsense for a portrait driven UI | 23:53 |
| Morpog_PC | DarkSim, no one can say that atm | 23:53 |
| Morpog_PC | I guess a prefect solution will be on Jolla's own phone for at least a year | 23:54 |
| DarkSim | Because my HTC One X will never ever for the light of day see Sailfish or anything remotely useful | 23:54 |
| Morpog_PC | why? | 23:54 |
| DarkSim | No support, it's locked down, the actual specs sucks | 23:55 |
| DarkSim | the list goes on | 23:55 |
| Morpog_PC | if it runs Cyanogenmod, it should be prepared for SailfishOS | 23:55 |
| DarkSim | Yeah but if I want OTA updates I need to manually plug in my phone and update it | 23:55 |
| DarkSim | I have unlocked the bootloader but I can't get S-off | 23:55 |
| DarkSim | Also the international version which I have has the Tegra 3, which is the worst piece of hardware I've seen in a phone lol | 23:56 |
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| Morpog_PC | well, should be still alot faster than N9 | 23:56 |
| DarkSim | Randomly exceeds 50 degrees of heat with emergency shutdowns | 23:56 |
| DarkSim | THUMBS UP! | 23:56 |
| DarkSim | Last time I actually got it to reset by using the Twitter client... | 23:57 |
| DarkSim | *app | 23:57 |
| Morpog_PC | lol | 23:58 |
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