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| artemma | anybody with a real device here? Try my flashlight app. Hopefully it's according to all new harbour standards, I need to test it - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19482748/harbour-flashlight-1.0.2-10.armv7hl%20copy.rpm | 01:06 |
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| TheBootroo | ohai | 02:27 |
| TheBootroo | I just submitted my very first Sailfish app on harbour | 02:27 |
| TheBootroo | but i have two questions : | 02:27 |
| TheBootroo | why couldn't i create arm packages ? i was forced to upload the x86 ones because my environment didn't want to create ARM ones | 02:28 |
| TheBootroo | when/who will do the QA ? | 02:28 |
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| lpotter | TheBootroo: any errors from creator? | 04:45 |
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| coderus | TheBootroo: you should upload only ARM packages to Harbour | 04:59 |
| coderus | TheBootroo: its Build - Deploy project *projectname* | 05:00 |
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| crevetor | Hi guys, I have a weird problem when I try to run one of my apps in the emulator : | 06:25 |
| crevetor | /usr/bin/bikster-sailfish: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libQt5Quick.so.5: undefined symbol: _ZTIN22QWindowSystemInterface16TouchEventFilterE | 06:26 |
| crevetor | does that mean that the version of libQt5Quick.so.5 is not the same as the one in my build env ? | 06:26 |
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| dm8tbr | that sounds intriguing... | 07:59 |
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| coderus | dm8tbr: what are you talking about? :D | 08:05 |
| dm8tbr | 06:26:01< crevetor> /usr/bin/bikster-sailfish: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libQt5Quick.so.5: undefined symbol: _ZTIN22QWindowSystemInterface16TouchEventFilterE | 08:09 |
| dm8tbr | 06:26:26< crevetor> does that mean that the version of libQt5Quick.so.5 is not the same as the one in my build env ? | 08:09 |
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| coderus | i think content not synced between build target and sdk | 10:35 |
| coderus | something installed manually in xterm | 10:35 |
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| TheBootroo | coderus: i tried, compilation went fine, deploy failed with message "no valid --device on step rpm" | 10:45 |
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| TheBootroo | help me to generate ARM rpm with SDK | 11:08 |
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| TheBootroo | ok succeeded | 11:23 |
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| artemma | Jonni: ping | 11:36 |
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| TheBootroo | < | 11:55 |
| TheBootroo | who does QA validation on Harbour ? | 11:55 |
| coderus | QA is busy due to Harbour policy updates | 11:56 |
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| coderus | and SDK updates too | 11:56 |
| artemma | you know decision to forbid package downloads and keep everything you need in your own app folder is not that bad actually. iOS works just fine this way. Somebody just needs to create a couple of good wrapping examples (particularly about standard Qt modules) and think about the device-app upgrade options | 11:59 |
| artemma | just sharing thoughts | 11:59 |
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| dm8tbr | niiiiiice, the ARM binary for bittorrent-sync runs on the Jolla \o/ | 12:00 |
| dm8tbr | who wants to write a small installer/wrapper? | 12:00 |
| artemma | dm8tbr: who wants to download torrents to their phone? | 12:02 |
| artemma | just kidding, I know geeks will love it for no reason, just for tech beauty :) | 12:02 |
| dm8tbr | artemma: no, bt-sync, different story | 12:02 |
| Bysmyyr | artemma: not torrents, its like dropbox | 12:02 |
| dm8tbr | artemma: http://www.bittorrent.com/sync | 12:02 |
| artemma | ah, indeed, that's cool | 12:02 |
| artemma | now I remember | 12:02 |
| artemma | like your own dropbox | 12:02 |
| Nicd- | "Secure, unlimited file-syncing. No butt required." | 12:03 |
| dm8tbr | Bysmyyr: not really. it's more like distributed and automated syncing | 12:03 |
| Nicd- | good to know | 12:03 |
| dm8tbr | as dropbox major selling point is also a public http accessible storage, which doesn't exist here, unless you add that by running it on your webserver yourself | 12:03 |
| dm8tbr | actually, I totally should do that... | 12:04 |
| Bysmyyr | dm8tbr: yes, but for user it looks like dropbox(if you use dropbox with client | 12:04 |
| Nicd- | "Sync only stores your files on the devices you allow -- never in my butt." :D | 12:04 |
| * artemma is switching again to BB10 today and just hit their dropbox implementation annoyance. It works just great, dropbox simply becomes a part of your file system, but.. if you keep 10GB of stuff there it eats 10GB of your device file storege | 12:04 | |
| Bysmyyr | I think you can modify settings which folders are synced to which device | 12:05 |
| artemma | funny, how when you take mobile into account it modifies even basic services design | 12:05 |
| Bysmyyr | at least my linux client allows that | 12:05 |
| artemma | Bysmyyr: not from the device client for sure (and I checked Box.net client, it looks like it's the same BB10 interface they implement) | 12:05 |
| artemma | maybe on the web | 12:05 |
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| artemma | anyway, I like iOS/Android implementation much more: all your files are *accessible*, but you choose which ones are actually kept in sync | 12:06 |
| artemma | + camera upload is handy for screenshots | 12:06 |
| artemma | so by-sync will probably need to think of similar things | 12:07 |
| Nicd- | I should start running bt-sync on my server | 12:07 |
| TheBootroo | coderus: so you mean apps won't be approved before a quite long time ? | 12:07 |
| Nicd- | bittorrent-sync requires open ports on the "host", right? | 12:10 |
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| dm8tbr | Nicd-: not sure, it seems to use standard BT stuff, so you might get away with closed ports. but if the nat traversal isn't augumented you'll have a stall in case both clients are behind NAT | 12:12 |
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| Nicd- | it doesn't seem to use intermediary servers so if I pull from machine A, machine A needs ports open | 12:13 |
| dm8tbr | I'm planning to add some transparent file based encryption for files that I want to have better secured | 12:13 |
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| Bysmyyr | A | 13:52 |
| Nicd- | B | 13:52 |
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| coderus | TheBootroo: right :) | 14:03 |
| coderus | TheBootroo: and i'm 98% sure you packaged your project with 90x90 icon inside, so package will be rejected. | 14:03 |
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| TheBootroo | coderus: i made icon at same size as the one of the template project | 14:04 |
| TheBootroo | not my fault if template is wrong, though | 14:04 |
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| coderus | TheBootroo: sure. you need to wait SDK update and rebuild project and then publish it | 14:05 |
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| TheBootroo | wait, always wait, can't wait anymore ! | 14:06 |
| coderus | :D | 14:06 |
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| Snurppa | hmm.. any ideas why sailfishos emulator doesn't display mouse pointer anymore? it worked OK a week ago.. i can't test anything because emulator doesn't respond to clicks (as it's not showing cursor either).. | 16:35 |
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| Jonni | Snurppa: maybe just need a reboot? :) | 16:57 |
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| artemma | Jonni: png | 17:30 |
| artemma | ping* | 17:30 |
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| artemma | oups I was disconnected from IRC and not sure which messages were actually sent. Sorry, if I spam with the double messages then | 17:32 |
| artemma | Anybody with a real device willing to try my flashlight app? Should satisfy new harbour requirements - RPM is here - http://bit.ly/flashlight11 | 17:33 |
| artemma | It would be very kind of you if you could run the harbour check script on the RPM | 17:33 |
| Snurppa | Jonni: rebooted few times - same problem, but rebooted just one more time - works now :) | 17:35 |
| artemma | aard_: ping | 17:36 |
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| aard_ | artemma: pong | 17:36 |
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| artemma | aard_: you have real device don't you? ;) | 17:36 |
| aard_ | yes | 17:37 |
| artemma | and maybe git harbour check scripts at hand too? ;) | 17:37 |
| aard_ | not at hand right now, but accessible | 17:37 |
| artemma | Rumors tell (actually hopes tell) that my flashlight now satisfies all new requirements | 17:37 |
| artemma | so I am willing to try contacting harbour care for a chance to have it approved by the launch date, but I'd like to be 100% sure by checking first | 17:38 |
| artemma | so far they don't seem to reply to mails at all, so they are unlikely to read two mails from me | 17:38 |
| artemma | http://bit.ly/flashlight11 | 17:38 |
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| artemma | and well, you can just use flashlight for fun and finding keys :) | 17:39 |
| aard_ | looking into the flash was not the brightest idea | 17:42 |
| Yaniel | was that a pun? | 17:43 |
| aard_ | :p | 17:43 |
| artemma | aard_: how did it look? :) | 17:45 |
| artemma | I mean flashlight, not the idea :) | 17:45 |
| aard_ | blinking | 17:45 |
| artemma | aard_: good | 17:45 |
| aard_ | and one time switched to steady light | 17:45 |
| Yaniel | steady light? cool | 17:46 |
| artemma | aard_: that's the limit of possibilities unfortunately. How about the text under the button? Readable colors? Not too clever to lengthy? | 17:46 |
| artemma | *not too lengthy | 17:46 |
| artemma | too long* - whichever way you say it in English :) | 17:47 |
| aard_ | readable | 17:48 |
| artemma | cool! | 17:48 |
| artemma | thanks! | 17:49 |
| artemma | Now I only need somebody with the harbour check script and I can resubmit and email harbour | 17:49 |
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| Snurppa | sorry i have some newbie questions as i'm trying to learn qt/qml.. i'm looking at sailfish sdk mediagallery example, in where there is a SilicaListView used for displaying one image (with ListView.SnapOneItem).. I've been trying to add a pulley-menu which should have some image-specific tools, like "add caption".. The problem is i don't really know how to add pulldownmenu for each image displayed inside the SilicaListView... Should the delegate Image | 17:53 |
| Snurppa | http://pastebin.com/n75yGgMb -> i tried to add it under SilicaListView, but that obviously isn't working :) | 17:56 |
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| coderus | Snurppa: i think you doing it wrong | 18:51 |
| coderus | Snurppa: PullDownMenu is not for delegates. Only for flickable. | 18:52 |
| coderus | Snurppa: you should use ContextMenu instead | 18:52 |
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| xowap | hello sailors | 19:20 |
| xowap | any idea where I can find the sdk's source code? | 19:20 |
| xowap | specifically, I'm trying to figure out what the hell SailfishApp::main() does | 19:21 |
| Yaniel | pretty much what QApplication::main() would do I think | 19:22 |
| Yaniel | why do you want to know? | 19:23 |
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| xowap | I'd like to bind some things to QML | 19:24 |
| xowap | but can't figure out the right order to call stuff si the window shows and the app runs | 19:24 |
| xowap | as of now, I can get a white screen, which is a progression in comparison to the app not showing at all, but still a but lagging behind a direct call to ::main() which will load everything :D | 19:25 |
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| Yaniel | I usually set up stuff in my *Application constructor | 19:27 |
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| xowap | so you just ignore the SailfishApp ? | 19:31 |
| Yaniel | I derive it? | 19:31 |
| xowap | and you overload application() so you can generate your own application class | 19:33 |
| Yaniel | actually I don't have a class called SailfishApplication in my code | 19:35 |
| Yaniel | but that is based on the old template | 19:35 |
| xowap | well, I'm starting from the skeleton created by the newest SDK | 19:35 |
| Yaniel | I do have files called sailfishapplication.{cpp,h} | 19:36 |
| xowap | I have a sailfishapp.h | 19:36 |
| xowap | but no source | 19:36 |
| Yaniel | hmm mind pasting the header somewhere? | 19:37 |
| xowap | http://pastebin.com/msCej8d5 | 19:37 |
| xowap | it's basically that : https://sailfishos.org/develop-firstapp-code.html | 19:37 |
| xowap | the QML documentation is quite easy to get, but seriously there is a lot to write about how to fucking stick it to C++ code | 19:39 |
| xowap | btw I tried something like http://pastebin.com/5Ca8Zbrs | 19:40 |
| xowap | but "file:///opt/sdk/HelloSailfish/usr/share/HelloSailfish/qml/pages/FirstPage.qml:80: ReferenceError: answer is not defined" | 19:40 |
| xowap | huhu I must be missing some stuff in my QML code | 19:42 |
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| Yaniel | sorry for the delay, I'm trying to multitask more than I should ^^ (making dinner, checking your code and fiddling with a skype call over a horrible connection) | 19:47 |
| xowap | haha, no issue, same here | 19:48 |
| Yaniel | hmm my template still looks the same | 19:53 |
| Yaniel | weird | 19:55 |
| Yaniel | it seems to me like you should either call SailfishApp::main() or SailfishApp::create* and last show() | 19:58 |
| Yaniel | I'm guessing view->show() | 19:58 |
| Yaniel | but only one of those two | 19:59 |
| Yaniel | so in your case no SailfishApp::main() | 19:59 |
| xowap | maybe I'll try that | 19:59 |
| xowap | just did http://pastebin.com/KtLmHKUM | 19:59 |
| xowap | I can read the default value I've set (10) | 20:00 |
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| xowap | but when I write it, it does not show up in the UI | 20:00 |
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| xowap | so yeah looks like I've got to do main()'s work by hand | 20:00 |
| Yaniel | yes | 20:00 |
| xowap | well, which brings me back to asking its source code :D | 20:01 |
| xowap | if any jolla dev reads me :3 | 20:01 |
| Yaniel | you have it right there | 20:01 |
| Yaniel | a rough outline of it | 20:01 |
| xowap | yet the question being, I've got to run the app at some point | 20:02 |
| xowap | do I end up with app->run() ? | 20:02 |
| xowap | exec() | 20:02 |
| xowap | damn I've been through too much Java | 20:02 |
| Yaniel | yep | 20:02 |
| xowap | is it what you thought about http://pastebin.com/tqFYPkDh ? | 20:03 |
| Yaniel | yes | 20:04 |
| xowap | this is what I first tried, but I get a white screen doing that | 20:04 |
| xowap | oh, I missed something, actually when I read the answer it fails | 20:05 |
| xowap | the qvariant is invalid | 20:05 |
| Yaniel | did you ever tell the view what qml file to load :D | 20:05 |
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| xowap | well, isn't SailfishApp supposed to do it for me? | 20:07 |
| Yaniel | SailfishApp::main() yes | 20:07 |
| Yaniel | but for the other way it would make sense that you have to specify it | 20:08 |
| xowap | indeed | 20:08 |
| xowap | especially since they hand you out the pathTo() method | 20:09 |
| Yaniel | btw reinstalled and now I too have the new header | 20:10 |
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| xowap | hooray, I'm not crazy | 20:12 |
| xowap | still doesn't work though | 20:12 |
| xowap | http://pastebin.com/6SYHiqE1 | 20:12 |
| Yaniel | still a white screen? | 20:12 |
| xowap | damn that was the file location that was wrong | 20:13 |
| xowap | it works now | 20:13 |
| xowap | yay | 20:13 |
| xowap | thanks Yaniel | 20:13 |
| Yaniel | oh and you might need to set your view to the central view of your application | 20:13 |
| Yaniel | ...is what I was about to sau | 20:13 |
| Yaniel | say* | 20:13 |
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| xowap | I might need to | 20:14 |
| xowap | yet, how do I do it? | 20:14 |
| xowap | wait, aren't you confusing it with a MainWindow ? | 20:15 |
| Yaniel | it is a long time since I last used Qt | 20:16 |
| Yaniel | even longer since QML | 20:16 |
| xowap | yeah, me too | 20:17 |
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| xowap | oh for QML it's been a very long time | 20:17 |
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| xowap | like about the eternity | 20:17 |
| Yaniel | but it would make sense to have to tell the application about your view :D | 20:17 |
| xowap | in some way | 20:17 |
| xowap | but if I remember well, any widget without a parent becomes a window | 20:18 |
| xowap | so I guess it's the same with QML views | 20:18 |
| Yaniel | yes | 20:18 |
| Yaniel | well whatever works :D | 20:18 |
| xowap | in the end, it's all that matters :) | 20:19 |
| xowap | so really, this code should be documented somewhere, because it's going to be needed if you want to write anything less trivial than a hello world | 20:21 |
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| Yaniel | yes that code path deserves its own section or even page | 20:21 |
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| artemma | xowap: I created such a project for my own reference (and for others too) - https://github.com/amarchen/sailfish-app-with-qml-test | 20:28 |
| artemma | too bad it assumes oldest public SDK standards and ignores .yaml (I went for pure .spec) | 20:28 |
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| artemma | I plan to update it to new standards when next SDK is out | 20:28 |
| artemma | pull requests are greatly welcome too though | 20:28 |
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| TechieElf | Hello all. What devices are supported by this OS? Also, do you allow developers to port the OS to new devices? | 20:45 |
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| TechieElf | Anyone active here? | 20:47 |
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| leinir | sure, loads, just not right now ;) | 20:48 |
| leinir | the majority of the people who would know answers to that question are in the European time zones (mostly the +1 and +2 ones), and it's Sunday night :) | 20:49 |
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| TechieElf | leinir: I have this problem wherever I go >.< it kills to be American sometimes | 20:50 |
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| stephg | TechieElf 'supported' I guess is technically only one device currently | 20:55 |
| TechieElf | stephg: Any ways to port? | 20:56 |
| wmarone_ | so | 20:56 |
| leinir | well, the first, and perhaps most important, step would be to port mer | 20:56 |
| TechieElf | Mer? | 20:56 |
| wmarone_ | no devices are officially supported other than the eventual Jolla device | 20:56 |
| stephg | TechieElf: https://sailfishos.org/images/Sailfish_Architecture.png | 20:56 |
| stephg | Mer is at the core of Sailfish and is entirely, entirely open | 20:57 |
| TechieElf | stephg: Ah, I see. Looking into it now | 20:58 |
| stephg | the hardware adaptation below it is dependent on the manufacturer (in this case Jolla) and the UX also (again, here Jolla) | 20:58 |
| TechieElf | Well I have a Moto Droid Razr M so we'll see just how far I can get | 20:59 |
| wmarone_ | TechieElf: unlocked? | 20:59 |
| TechieElf | wmarone_: yes, with aosp 4.4 :D | 21:00 |
| wmarone_ | ok good | 21:00 |
| wmarone_ | don't trust motorola | 21:00 |
| TechieElf | Motorola is well,.... | 21:00 |
| TechieElf | bad | 21:00 |
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| Venemo | hey | 21:26 |
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| faenil | Venemo, hey | 21:29 |
| Venemo | hi faenil :) | 21:29 |
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| artemma | TechieElf: in theory anything with Android hardware is supported technically (pretty much mer requirements). In practice Sailfish OS contains closed components and you are better of for #nemomobile - same middlewhere, but different (they say good) UI | 21:40 |
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| TechieElf | artemma: Thanks | 21:40 |
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| artemma | an interesting option could be to take nemo and port Sailfish OS Silica Controls to it (they are a lll pure QML and I think they are all under BSD license). This way you'll get same middle where and same controls for apps, only e.g. task manager, ambiance and such will be different | 21:42 |
| artemma | and the system apps too | 21:42 |
| * artemma would actually love to manage such an innovative product :) | 21:43 | |
| * TechieElf TechieElf is too n00bie to do anything without a guide or help | 21:44 | |
| TechieElf | fail. | 21:44 |
| TechieElf | >.< Well..... that was just terrible | 21:45 |
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| xowap | artemma: interesting stuff, I'll dig into it thx | 21:58 |
| artemma | xowap: good luck! | 22:00 |
| M4rtinK | artemma: IIRC the C++ code for Silica was not yet released | 22:06 |
| M4rtinK | artemma: other than that, I think it is just the matter of packaging | 22:06 |
| artemma | M4rtinK: I didn't study it deep, but from what I saw in the SDK it looked like Silica is nearly pure QML | 22:06 |
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| artemma | sure there might be small C++ parts here and there (e.g. Theme), but these could possibly be cloned without much effort | 22:07 |
| M4rtinK | artemma: well, even the Harmattan QtComponents were mostly QML | 22:07 |
| M4rtinK | but there were still C++ plugins for stuff not possible in QML | 22:07 |
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| M4rtinK | yeah, I thing it would be doable | 22:08 |
| artemma | M4rtinK: rumors told that somebody managed to run harmattan controls on Android (via Necessitas), I didn't see it myself | 22:08 |
| M4rtinK | mabye some issue with those effect providers | 22:08 |
| M4rtinK | M4rtinK: that was most probably me :) | 22:08 |
| artemma | M4rtinK: Really?! Impressive! | 22:08 |
| artemma | so that was real then! :) | 22:08 |
| M4rtinK | artemma: if you have an android device handy, check for yourself :) | 22:09 |
| M4rtinK | http://modrana.org/pyconpl2013/examples/qt_components_example.apk | 22:09 |
| M4rtinK | more examples & presentation are here: http://modrana.org/pyconpl2013/ | 22:09 |
| artemma | in fact I hope some hacker ( such as M4rtinK ) ports Silica controls to Android too. Android doesn't have a good standard set of controls and Silica will compete well there as long as you figure out the menu and back button | 22:09 |
| artemma | cool! I am a little busy right now, but downloaded APK and will give it a try | 22:10 |
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| M4rtinK | well, at least with Qt 5.1, QtQuick Controls are available | 22:11 |
| M4rtinK | not sure if they support Android themes already | 22:12 |
| M4rtinK | but I know they were working on it | 22:12 |
| M4rtinK | my APKs are based on Qt4 & Harmattan QtComponents (I also got them working on BB10 by the way) | 22:13 |
| M4rtinK | now when I think about it, the Nemo project has a Qt5 port of Harmattan QtComponents | 22:13 |
| M4rtinK | so that might also work on Android with Qt5 :) | 22:14 |
| M4rtinK | but back to Silica - I think best would be to just open source it, put it to Github or Gitorious | 22:14 |
| M4rtinK | and let the community help them | 22:14 |
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| M4rtinK | patches, pull requests, etc. | 22:14 |
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| M4rtinK | while silica is already usable & really slick | 22:15 |
| M4rtinK | there is still room for improvements & advanced components | 22:15 |
| M4rtinK | like a proper file selector | 22:15 |
| M4rtinK | calendar-selector | 22:15 |
| M4rtinK | etc | 22:15 |
| M4rtinK | while not their primary target, there might be people interested in adding them | 22:16 |
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| ajalkane | Anyone have examples of using setContextProperty with newest SDK? I'm trying SailfishApp::createView() and using setSource on it but failing nicely | 22:33 |
| w00t | ajalkane: failing how? | 22:35 |
| ajalkane | w00t: nevermind, right after writing that I figured it out... after banging my head to it for half an hour | 22:35 |
| w00t | :) | 22:35 |
| w00t | rubber duck debugging | 22:35 |
| ajalkane | the magic line for anyone else maybe having same problem is: view->setSource(SailfishApp::pathTo("qml/main.qml")); | 22:36 |
| w00t | (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging) | 22:36 |
| dm8tbr | If it quacks like a dug, it's a bug! ;) | 22:36 |
| dm8tbr | s/dug/duck/ | 22:36 |
| Yaniel | heh | 22:36 |
| Yaniel | that exact same problem came up like.. | 22:36 |
| Yaniel | 3h ago | 22:36 |
| dm8tbr | do we have irc-logs? public ones? | 22:37 |
| ajalkane | So everyones having a frenzy getting at least some silly app ready for the launch? :) | 22:37 |
| * w00t is relaxing before monday starts | 22:37 | |
| w00t | too bad i don't have long of that left | 22:37 |
| Yaniel | maybe the "manual" way should get its own section or page in the tutorial? | 22:37 |
| ajalkane | That'd be helpful | 22:38 |
| Yaniel | or at least a note pointing people to the corresponding Qt docs | 22:38 |
| Yaniel | since they won't get there by themselves unless they know how the view works | 22:38 |
| Yaniel | in which case they don't need to get there anyway | 22:38 |
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| ajalkane | At least the way I did it was not the "Qt" way, as it's all SailfishApp::thisAndThat | 22:38 |
| Yaniel | view->setSource is not SailfishApp::thisAndThat IMHO | 22:39 |
| w00t | we'll probably focus on that at some point | 22:39 |
| Yaniel | sounds rather Qt to me | 22:39 |
| w00t | SailfishApp (and the initial focus) is on getting things done the right way, with the least amount of pain, for our platform - while not making alternatives impossible | 22:39 |
| ajalkane | Yaniel: well true that... but knowing the Qt approach is not enough without some considerable head banging. | 22:40 |
| Yaniel | w00t: so far it fails on poor documentation, like far too many things | 22:40 |
| Yaniel | ajalkane: not? it seemed pretty obvious to me | 22:41 |
| w00t | Yaniel: can you give specifics? (i'm not at all surprised to hear that, but it's easier to fix with proper feedback from someone who has experienced pain :p) | 22:41 |
| Yaniel | besides not knowing what magic SailfishApp::createView actually does | 22:41 |
| ajalkane | w00t: That's correct focus, but right now the docs just document basically running a pure QML application. I'd wager it's quite common to have need for contextProperties etc. for many apps | 22:41 |
| Yaniel | w00t: basically if you need something that SailfishApp::main does not do, you hit a wall | 22:42 |
| ajalkane | w00t: that's because you're so familiar with it :P. But a silly newby dev coming into it, all the initialization magic is not at all obvious | 22:42 |
| * w00t fires up the vm | 22:43 | |
| Yaniel | because all there is is a list of SailfishApp methods and a quick mention of show() (which does not even mention the view) | 22:43 |
| ajalkane | Also something I'd like to have in the documents, would be how to create daemons. Like Harmattan's docs had. | 22:43 |
| Yaniel | w00t: want to read through my backlog from 3h ago? | 22:44 |
| w00t | not at this time of night :-p | 22:44 |
| Yaniel | well it boild down to this | 22:45 |
| Yaniel | xowap | so yeah looks like I've got to do main()'s work by hand | 22:45 |
| w00t | right, so.. createView | 22:46 |
| Yaniel | and no idea of what that actually means | 22:46 |
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| Yaniel | (not that it would be difficult) | 22:46 |
| w00t | http://pastebin.com/BjtcGNdL | 22:47 |
| ajalkane | The comments created by the SDK to the main function are enough to get one on the correct path, but it'd be really helpful and would save millions of hours by programmers if there was a ready example :) | 22:47 |
| w00t | there's not honestly much magic here - it's just about setting up a QQuickView in the "right" way to display a silica application | 22:48 |
| Yaniel | it's not about if there really is any magic | 22:48 |
| Yaniel | but what is left for you to do | 22:48 |
| * w00t doesn't understand | 22:48 | |
| ajalkane | And also even if there's not any magic, there's this helper SailfishApp and it's a black box to developer - so he's at loss | 22:48 |
| w00t | what's left to do, is to write your application | 22:48 |
| M4rtinK | any reason why the Silica ApplicationWindow does not inherit Window ? :) | 22:49 |
| w00t | ajalkane: it's no more of a black box than "view = new QQuickView" | 22:49 |
| w00t | (that's, fundamentally, all it is - see the paste) | 22:49 |
| w00t | M4rtinK: at the time it was written, Window didn't exist, for starters | 22:49 |
| M4rtinK | w00t: that makes sense | 22:50 |
| Yaniel | w00t: you need to tell the view to load a qml file | 22:50 |
| Yaniel | which would otherwise be done by main() | 22:50 |
| w00t | it also lives in a seperate QML plugin which may make life difficult | 22:50 |
| M4rtinK | OK, I'll hack it aorund then :) | 22:51 |
| M4rtinK | *around | 22:51 |
| w00t | M4rtinK: why do you need the inheritance? what are you missing? | 22:51 |
| M4rtinK | I'm working with a single QML codebase | 22:52 |
| ajalkane | w00t: it is a black box when something doesn't work, even if it's a programmer mistake. And in any case, I think few lines of example code would help a lot and make it less intimidating for new devs. I've had some QML/C++ integration experience and even so I managed to lose some time on this. Especially for total newby it'd be very nice to have an example code how to do the initialization for Sailfish | 22:52 |
| w00t | Yaniel: the design intention was that if you need a really simple setup, you use main (e.g. for QML-only applications) - if you need anything more than that, you use createView and you're left to do things on your own | 22:53 |
| w00t | ajalkane: noted | 22:53 |
| w00t | also, the source for sailfishapp should be public eventually, I guess the problem at the moment is figuring out where to put it | 22:54 |
| M4rtinK | bah, SailfishApplication :) | 22:54 |
| M4rtinK | I'm just using qmlscene :) | 22:54 |
| w00t | M4rtinK: for testing, that's perfectly fine | 22:54 |
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| M4rtinK | ...and an asynchronous Python backend via PyOtherSide :) | 22:55 |
| M4rtinK | works surprisingly well BTW, thp really knows his stuff :) | 22:56 |
| w00t | he does | 22:56 |
| w00t | it's kind of a hiring requirement :-) | 22:56 |
| M4rtinK | hh | 22:57 |
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| Venemo | hey w00t can I ping you tomorrow with a bunch of API questions? | 22:57 |
| w00t | Venemo: you can try, but tomorrow is monthly planning, so I may be a bit slow to respond | 22:58 |
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| Venemo | w00t: ok, maybe the day after | 23:01 |
| Venemo | w00t: the thing is, my app is "almost there" on Sailfish but there are some things that still need tweaking and I'm kind of unsure about some of them | 23:02 |
| TechieElf | I'm really interested in Sailfish, just wish I could do something with it | 23:02 |
| Venemo | TechieElf: you can eat it | 23:02 |
| TechieElf | Venemo: ......I'll look into that. | 23:02 |
| Venemo | just kidding | 23:02 |
| faenil | lol | 23:03 |
| TechieElf | Darn, I was looking forward to it | 23:04 |
| ajalkane | The special edition other half is edible | 23:06 |
| TechieElf | Seems legit | 23:07 |
| Venemo | true story! | 23:07 |
| * w00t looks at his pink&fluffy OH | 23:07 | |
| Venemo | it's actually made from a live sailfish | 23:07 |
| w00t | i'm awfully glad this isn't edible | 23:07 |
| Venemo | anyway, good night guys :) | 23:07 |
| ajalkane | nighty | 23:08 |
| dm8tbr | w00t: cotton candy other half? | 23:08 |
| w00t | dm8tbr: nah. pink fluff :) | 23:08 |
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| special | ajalkane: "special edition" :> | 23:08 |
| w00t | karl made me one when I was last in helsinki | 23:08 |
| dm8tbr | I know, I skipped making me one of those pinky furry things | 23:08 |
| w00t | you should have got one | 23:08 |
| w00t | they're great | 23:08 |
| w00t | I got a slightly strange look going through security though :-) | 23:09 |
| ajalkane | special: you must be tasty | 23:09 |
| dm8tbr | that alone must have been worth it | 23:09 |
| w00t | and an even stranger look when calling kamilla at copenhagen | 23:09 |
| w00t | someone walked past me and double-taked | 23:09 |
| w00t | :-p | 23:09 |
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| ottulo | that'll help make it a very "limited edition" pretty fast | 23:10 |
| ajalkane | Ah... I've been watching too much "The Walking Dead" recently. Getting some disturbing images in my head. | 23:11 |
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| w00t | ottulo: oh? :p | 23:12 |
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| ottulo | w00t: the number will drop fast as people get them in their teeth | 23:17 |
| w00t | ha | 23:17 |
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