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| sardini | hello, please can the sdk simulate rotation? | 14:29 |
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| fk_lx | sardini: I doubt it can | 14:31 |
| sardini | I doubt too | 14:32 |
| fk_lx | sardini: but you can change orientation (there was some example in documentation) | 14:32 |
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| oles | hi! are there any source code of sailfishos available online? | 15:50 |
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| wmarone | oles: all of MerProject and NemoMobile are open | 15:54 |
| wmarone | the Sailfish layers are not open source | 15:54 |
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| oles | wmarone, i'm interested in subsystem which lest run android apps on it, is it open or not? | 16:03 |
| wmarone | I wouldn't expect it to be open | 16:03 |
| wmarone | no details have been given but it could be openmobile's ACL | 16:04 |
| sardini | oles, lokk at libhybris | 16:05 |
| oles | thx! | 16:06 |
| wmarone | libhybris doesn't do much for Android apps | 16:10 |
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| wmarone | libhybris is mostly about driver binaries built against android | 16:10 |
| Wnt | the finnish version of the phone specigfications reveals more info about the other half connections: http://jolla.com/fi/your-jolla | 16:14 |
| Wnt | NFC, I2C, power in / out | 16:14 |
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| wmarone | yup, they were discussing that in #jollamobile earlier | 16:19 |
| Wnt | ah, maybe that is a better channel for this type of discussion | 16:20 |
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| Naphatul | so i just checked out the website and it's not that descriptive, can i try it out in a VM? | 16:40 |
| Morpog_PC | yes | 16:41 |
| Morpog_PC | sailfish SDK | 16:41 |
| Morpog_PC | or watch the youtube video with martin schuehle | 16:41 |
| Naphatul | can you link to it? i found a couple but nothing with him | 16:42 |
| Morpog_PC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxv7iXwIgno | 16:42 |
| Morpog_PC | that was old prototype btw | 16:43 |
| Morpog_PC | with bigger bezel | 16:43 |
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| Naphatul | so the release version will cost 400 euros? | 16:50 |
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| Morpog_PC | Naphatul, they say not more than 399 | 17:16 |
| Morpog_PC | so could be less | 17:16 |
| Nicd- | I doubt it though | 17:17 |
| Morpog_PC | would be a nice gesture for the missing 720p display :) | 17:19 |
| Nicd- | not like they owe us anything | 17:20 |
| Morpog_PC | nope, but they could have announced it more early. Old prototype display was clearly qHD already | 17:23 |
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| Stskeeps | Morpog_PC: think you're about the only one who noticed | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:23 |
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| DarkSim | Quite sad to see the resolution in the specs | 17:46 |
| DarkSim | thought it would be higher | 17:46 |
| DarkSim | but I have no idea how good the mobile CPU's are | 17:46 |
| DarkSim | Only thing I know is that the tegra 3 gets hotter than the sun | 17:46 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | DarkSim: the specs aren't bad | 17:47 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | did you saw any vid and complained about the screen ? | 17:47 |
| DarkSim | Nah | 17:47 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | And I have seen the device and thought that it was higher res | 17:47 |
| DarkSim | But I'd just imagine a new phone having 1080p | 17:47 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | so I was wrong too | 17:47 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | DarkSim: I imagine a new phone having 4k and 8 cores CPU | 17:48 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | but I will get the jolla | 17:48 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | simply because it is awesome | 17:48 |
| DarkSim | I don't dislike the phone by any means | 17:49 |
| DarkSim | I just wished it would be somewhat of a powerhouse | 17:49 |
| DarkSim | At least compared to the One X in some regard, so I could compare it easier :P | 17:49 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | DarkSim: well, it is their 1st phone | 17:50 |
| DarkSim | True | 17:50 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | if they survive until the 2nd gen HW | 17:50 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it might be way more amazing | 17:50 |
| DarkSim | I expect Octa-core next time :D | 17:50 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | DarkSim: not me | 17:50 |
| * DarkSim is not serious by any means | 17:50 | |
| zmc | DarkSim, when your cellphone has more power than a netbook, and runs slow. Your software is bad. I don't think sailfish will have the same issues as android. | 17:50 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ah :P | 17:50 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 17:50 |
| DarkSim | Well I hope this "more linux than android" thing really makes it fast | 17:51 |
| DarkSim | because Linux can be lightning fast | 17:51 |
| DarkSim | Android feels like it can never become fast, it can just fix it's heinous amounts of layers into pretty decent speed | 17:51 |
| DarkSim | Still love my Android phone more than any iPhony device :P | 17:51 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | DarkSim: one word: Java | 17:52 |
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| DarkSim | inb4 Archfish is released lololol | 17:52 |
| zmc | As much as I dislike wayland, it should make it a lot easier to have whaever flavour of linux you want on your device. | 17:53 |
| DarkSim | Even Ubuntu Touch! | 17:53 |
| * DarkSim shivers | 17:53 | |
| zmc | Even the bad touch if you want | 17:54 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | zmc: why don't you like wayland ? | 17:55 |
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| zmc | Sfiet_Konstantin : Another layer of abstraction that takes the whole gfx subsystem. I like X and vt's. Wayland creates problems for me that I don't want, and solves problems that I don't have. | 18:00 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | X is a layer too :D | 18:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | vt, why not | 18:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | wayland works well, that's all | 18:01 |
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| zmc | Sfiet_Konstantin : Wayland is scheduled to work well. | 18:02 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | zmc: so, that's a good choice | 18:02 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | zmc: X is scheduled to work bad :P | 18:02 |
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| zmc | the only thing that I think is interesting about wayland is the ability to implement qt servers that can render qml natively in a client-server way. | 18:02 |
| zmc | X runs beautifully here, wayland won't even compile. | 18:03 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | zmc: really ? | 18:05 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ok | 18:05 |
| zmc | I run a mach64 ati on an old sparc workstation | 18:05 |
| zmc | When wayland runs better on this than X, I'll eat my hat. But I'm not beeting on it being any time in the next 5 years. | 18:06 |
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| zmc | s/bee/be/ | 18:06 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | lol | 18:07 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | looks fun :) | 18:07 |
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| zmc | Than again, X was supposed to be "teh new awesome" 20 years ago. I'm guessing wayland will catch up in 10. | 18:09 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | zmc: maybe | 18:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | maybe not | 18:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | at least it is already in the jolla phone | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | performs much better than x11 ever did | 18:20 |
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| sardini | Stskeeps, much better in pseed or in RAM ? | 18:21 |
| sardini | speed* | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | speed and ram, for our use cases | 18:22 |
| sardini | ty | 18:23 |
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| mhall119 | wayland isn't an abstraction layer, it's a replacement for X, and a much simpler one at that | 18:45 |
| zmc | mhall119 : I guess "a different" would have been better than "another". But unless you have a wayland native app, you have to run X on wayland to do it. So then it would be both "a different" and "another". | 18:55 |
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| mhall119 | getting native Wayland apps is easier than you might think, since any app written in Qt or Gtk will become one automatically | 19:00 |
| zmc | mhall119 : I imagine no such luck for xlib or motif though. | 19:01 |
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| mhall119 | probably not, but how many apps that you care about actually use them? | 19:01 |
| zmc | Lol, most things I have run today. But I understand that I am a very unusual fringe case. | 19:02 |
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| zmc | Maybe later tonight I'll try to get it to run again. It's been a few months since I tried it. | 19:03 |
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| mhall119 | I feel sorry for your eyes if you are using a bunch of xlib and motif apps :) | 19:03 |
| zmc | I rather like it. It's an acquired taste. :) | 19:04 |
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| zmc | I have a 3d-accelerated kde desktop to my left that is using all of it's 4 cores and 2.5g of ram to play my music for when I'm feeling too spartan and I need to see something wiggle and shimmer. | 19:05 |
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