Saturday, 2013-08-17

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ebuBonjour ici france01:17
ebu'_'01:18
ebuOkay y'a plus de 100 personnes mais personne pour parler01:18
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ericcchello05:46
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kuroschhello09:50
Superpelicankurosch:Hello :)09:50
SuperpelicanSfietKonstantin:^^09:50
kuroschsuperpelican it really is quiet in here09:50
Superpelicankurosch:Well09:50
Superpelicanthat really depends09:50
Superpelicansometimes it's not09:50
Superpelicanbut indeed the last days09:51
Superpelicanit has been pretty quiet09:51
Superpelicankurosch:That doesn't mean of course that you can't change that ;)09:51
Superpelicankurosch:a.k.a: Feel free to ask questions09:52
kuroschI would like to know if there is a good qt tutorial for getting started with qt and sailfish09:52
Superpelicanah09:52
Superpelicankurosch:well09:52
SuperpelicanI would start with the qt-project.org tutorial first09:52
kuroschyou mean module 1 and 2 right?09:52
Superpelicanand then move on to the Silica Reference docs09:53
Superpelicankurosch:Give me a sec09:53
SuperpelicanI'll dig up the link for you ;)09:53
kuroschsuperpelican i have the links i think09:54
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kuroschhttp://qt-project.org/wiki/Qt_Quick_Tutorial_Basics09:54
Superpelicankurosch:http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.1/qtdoc/gettingstartedqml.html09:54
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Superpelicankurosch:ah, you did what I feared for09:54
Superpelicankurosch:You chose the tutorial for QtQuick 109:54
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Superpelicankurosch:But Sailfish recently migrated to QtQuick 209:55
kuroschahh09:55
kuroschok09:55
Superpelicankurosch:So you should follow the tutorial on the link I gave you09:55
Superpelican> Qt 5.0 = QtQuick209:55
Superpelicana.k.a Qt5 brings QtQuick209:56
kuroschSuperpelican are they not compatible? like jdk-6 and jdk-709:56
Superpelicankurosch:Well09:56
SuperpelicanI've never used Java09:56
Superpelicanso I can't tell09:56
Superpelicanbut09:56
Superpelicanthey are not 100% compatible09:56
kuroschis it like qt5 = qt4 + 'new stuff'09:57
Superpelicankurosch:Although moving from QtQuick 1.1 to QtQuick2 wasn't too difficult for me09:57
Superpelican(but my app was very small and simple)09:57
Superpelican(and still under development)09:57
kuroschok09:57
spider-mariokurosch : Qt5 = Qt4 + new stuff − “obsolete” stuff09:57
Superpelicanspider-mario:yes09:58
Superpelicanif you'd have a more difficult app09:58
spider-marioQt3Support is gone, for example, but not only09:58
Superpelicanporting would probably be more work09:58
Superpelicanspider-mario:perfect example09:58
Superpelicanand IIRC09:58
kuroschspider-mario thanks thats different from java they have in theory - "obsolete" stuff but its still in the jdk..09:58
Superpelicansome NFC and GPS libs are gone too09:58
Superpelicanand lots of stuff has been renamed09:59
Superpelicankurosch:There are plenty of pages that show the differences between Qt4 and Qt509:59
kuroschok thanks09:59
kuroschand now a general question why is the sdk not a plugin for the more general qt-creator wouldn't that be easier on linux?09:59
Superpelicankurosch:For example http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.1/qtdoc/qt5-intro.html09:59
Superpelicankurosch:and http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.1/qtdoc/portingguide.html10:00
Superpelicankurosch:This one especially is very important IMO: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.1/qtdoc/qtquick-porting-qt5.html10:01
kuroschthank you10:02
Superpelican:)10:02
kuroschand just for the understanding part10:02
Superpelicanthat's why we are here10:02
kuroschqml to c++ is like xaml to c#10:03
kuroschbasically the design "gui" language10:03
* Superpelican has never heard of xaml10:03
kurosch* well just find out10:05
Bloobkurosch, yes it is a bit like XAML, except unlike XAML (AFAIK) you can have logic in the GUI-description via JavaScript, or even make the whole application using QML10:05
kuroschthanks Bloob10:06
kuroschso it sounds like JavaScript webapps that can be done completely in JS but can also use HTML 5 instead of some JS stuff10:08
kuroschnice and neat10:09
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faenilXaml....11:59
* faenil vomits11:59
Superpelicanlol11:59
* Superpelican now really has to go look up XAML11:59
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Superpelicanhahaha12:01
SuperpelicanMicrosoft has 5 different versions of XAML12:01
Superpelicanwhich are all incompatible with each other12:01
SuperpelicanXML for UIs is nuts12:01
SuperpelicanI heard Android uses XML for interfaces too12:02
Superpelicanthat alone has put me off Android app development12:02
Superpelicanand Java makes it even less attractive12:02
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Superpelicanwe're really spoiled with QtQuick, C++ and a GNU/Linux based mobile OS12:03
faenilSuperpelican, agree :D12:04
Superpelican:)12:04
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SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:Is there really no way to let QML search in the top level dir instead of the dir the .qml is in?12:15
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Superpelicanarrrgghhh13:29
* Superpelican hates qmake13:29
spider-mariostill more pleasant than ant13:32
spider-marioor maven13:32
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Superpelicanqmake please....13:34
Superpelicanhow had can it be to just copy a few files in the right dir?13:34
Superpelicans/had/hard13:35
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:ping13:39
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ericcc讨论什么哦14:09
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