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| Stskeeps | http://venturebeat.com/2013/08/14/glassup-raised-100k-on-indiegogo-but-paypal-is-refusing-to-pay-up/ - isn't that where ubuntu edge is too? | 07:06 |
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| dathui | Ouch | 07:10 |
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| dathui | I'm looking around a bit but so far I haven't found anything regarding the edge having similar problems, do you have a source? | 07:11 |
| Stskeeps | i don't, but the approaches are similar -- first delivery in 2014, big over the edge attempt of hw | 07:13 |
| Stskeeps | hope they won't run into that | 07:13 |
| Stskeeps | .. not that i don't think paypal is evil | 07:13 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:13 |
| dathui | :p | 07:13 |
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| dathui | but yea there are similarities, but the edge does have the advantage of being funded by a known organisation. on the other hand, all crowdfunding has the same "problem" | 07:14 |
| dathui | these seems nice; http://www.hongkiat.com/blog/paypal-alternatives/ | 07:16 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | I have a design question | 10:11 |
| MFaro-Tusino | I'm looking to implement my active cover without actions, but dynamically updating information. Is that against the whole sailfish mantra? | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | not really | 10:12 |
| MFaro-Tusino | only other option is to have actions to toggle what info is displayed | 10:13 |
| MFaro-Tusino | (it will be a system profiler app, so shows battery state, ram, free storage, etc) | 10:13 |
| yunta | sounds nice | 10:19 |
| yunta | just don't update that info when screen is off :P | 10:20 |
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| Nicd- | MFaro-Tusino: will you implement a battery graph? that would be sweet | 10:28 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | Nicd-: I'll need to look into how its done but if i can work it out/get help, definitely | 10:29 |
| MFaro-Tusino | yunta: Here's to hoping I can find some way to detect screen on or not ;) | 10:30 |
| yunta | MFaro-Tusino: if there's now way - we'll make a way | 10:35 |
| Jonni | MFaro-Tusino: yes there is mce qbus signal atleast to detect if screen is on or not. | 10:36 |
| Jonni | dbus even | 10:36 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Well i'll fiddle this weekend and see what i can do | 10:36 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Well there you go, thanks Jonni | 10:36 |
| Jonni | and there might be even easier ways, just dont remember them now :) | 10:37 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Although, if there is a standby/lpm screen implementation, i may have it update, and feed the data to that | 10:37 |
| MFaro-Tusino | (Better, give users option to update when screen off or not) | 10:38 |
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| Superpelican | SfietKonstantin:What is a QML delegate? | 13:28 |
| Superpelican | SfietKonstantin:They seem to be used a lot | 13:29 |
| Superpelican | but I can't find anywhere what they actually *are* | 13:29 |
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| SfietKonstantin | Superpelican: did you ever played with QML ListView ? | 13:30 |
| SfietKonstantin | or maybe SilicaListView ? | 13:30 |
| SfietKonstantin | you will find them here | 13:30 |
| Superpelican | nope | 13:30 |
| Superpelican | never used any *View | 13:30 |
| SfietKonstantin | a delegate is a way to render information contained in a model | 13:30 |
| SfietKonstantin | it basically render (eg) one line of a list | 13:30 |
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| Superpelican | SfietKonstantin:And what "model" would that be? | 13:31 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | brb | 13:31 |
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| Superpelican | ok | 13:32 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: a model ? | 13:32 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | simple | 13:32 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | a list of cities to display when searching a city (in weatherfish) | 13:32 |
| Superpelican | it sounds a bit abstract to me | 13:32 |
| Superpelican | :D | 13:32 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | a list of facebook photo albums for a given user ? | 13:32 |
| Superpelican | :nod: | 13:32 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | even a settings page, that have many subpages | 13:33 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is a list of buttons | 13:33 |
| Superpelican | So basically | 13:33 |
| Superpelican | a model is a kind of collection | 13:33 |
| Superpelican | of items | 13:33 |
| Superpelican | (not as in qml items) | 13:33 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model%E2%80%93view%E2%80%93controller | 13:33 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: note that in Qt, the Controller do not really exist | 13:34 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:I've never understood MVC | 13:34 |
| Superpelican | I've heard about it | 13:34 |
| Superpelican | especially related to web applications | 13:35 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: MVC is an essential pattern | 13:35 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:So the Model in MVC is the data? | 13:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (but like all patterns, you don't need to follow them) | 13:35 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:The View the UI? | 13:35 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:And the Controller the app logic? | 13:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (but better follow them or the guy who read your code will kill you) | 13:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: yes | 13:35 |
| Superpelican | *3 ? | 13:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | a model is what contains data to be displayed. It should be pretty passive | 13:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | a View is the UI part, something to interact with the model | 13:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | however, since the model is passive, you interact with a controller that updates the model | 13:36 |
| Superpelican | :nod: | 13:36 |
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| Superpelican | I understand | 13:36 |
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| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:But why did you say that the Controller doesn't exist in Qt? | 13:36 |
| Superpelican | Isn't the Controller essential? | 13:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | because it is somehow in the model or the view | 13:37 |
| Superpelican | hmm | 13:37 |
| Superpelican | so | 13:37 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | well, I never figured out where the C is hidden in Qt | 13:37 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sorry | 13:37 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:The model could be C++ and the View QML? | 13:37 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: of cause | 13:37 |
| Superpelican | :/ | 13:37 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | read Qt Docs: QAbstractListModel | 13:37 |
| Superpelican | s/of cause/of course | 13:37 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (in weatherfish, I use C++ models ) | 13:38 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | of cause | 13:38 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | let me say of cause | 13:38 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :O | 13:38 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :D | 13:38 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | of course :) | 13:38 |
| Superpelican | :) | 13:38 |
| Superpelican | Of cause I'll let you say of cause | 13:38 |
| Superpelican | ;) | 13:38 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | :D | 13:41 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | so that's why delegates re used often in QML | 13:41 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | don't be afraid, it is pretty easy | 13:41 |
| Superpelican | ok | 13:41 |
| Superpelican | I'll read some more docs then | 13:41 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | s/pretty/really | 13:42 |
| Superpelican | :D | 13:42 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.8/qdeclarativemodels.html#c-data-models | 13:43 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: read also the docs of QML ListView and ListModel, and play with examples | 13:45 |
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| Superpelican | SfietKonstantin: My Quick Clamshell [Announce] thread on TMO has 198 views :D | 16:28 |
| Superpelican | but still 0 replies :( | 16:31 |
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| Morpog_ | Superpelican, really? | 16:46 |
| Superpelican | Morpog_:yep | 16:46 |
| Superpelican | Morpog_:Go check TMO ;) | 16:46 |
| Morpog_ | :<D | 16:47 |
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| Superpelican | Morpog_:? | 16:47 |
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| Morpog_ | ;) | 16:48 |
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| mike7b4_lenovo | hmm Qt5 has QtQuick.LocaleStorage but trying to import that in my QML in sailfish gives: Error: Error while loading page: file:///usr/share/instacatclient/qml/sailfishui/pages/SettingsPage.qml:3 module "QtQuick.LocalStorage" is not installed | 19:41 |
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| special | mike7b4_lenovo: make sure the qt5-qtdeclarative-import-localstorageplugin is installed | 19:43 |
| special | +package | 19:43 |
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| mike7b4_lenovo | special, a saeems it installed in mersdk but not in emulator. | 20:25 |
| * mike7b4_lenovo install it manually now | 20:25 | |
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