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| MFaroTusino | Ahoy! | 03:26 |
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| blue787 | Ahoy | 03:34 |
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| blue787 | So I am an absolute novice but I would love to try my hands at app writing for sailfish, heard there was an update of the SDK for Qt | 03:35 |
| MFaroTusino | Anyone wanna help me solve my issue with the SDK sincve the update? | 03:35 |
| blue787 | Where do I start what do I need to know ? Do I have to be an expert coder n | 03:35 |
| MFaroTusino | Tried to rebuild a project (code untouched) that I had going in the last SDK, but now I get this error | 03:35 |
| MFaroTusino | This specfile does not have the qtc_* macros defined | 03:35 |
| MFaroTusino | Blue787: Start at SailfishOS.org and look through documentation | 03:36 |
| blue787 | Ok, will do, I believe there's a growing interest and buzz surrounding Sailfish OS | 03:37 |
| blue787 | I think it looks amazing | 03:37 |
| MFaroTusino | Have you seen Glacier UI (I know, off-topic)? | 03:38 |
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| Stskeeps | good morning | 04:07 |
| MFaroTusino | Morning Stskeeps :) | 04:10 |
| MFaroTusino | I managed to fix the previous issue, but now I have another one | 04:14 |
| MFaroTusino | Rsync | 04:14 |
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| Nicd- | hmm, the demo gallery app doesn't have the same picture on the cover and in the application, is this by design? | 05:12 |
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| Stskeeps | Nicd-: hmm, screenshot(s)? | 05:17 |
| Nicd- | I didn't take any but when I scrolled to an image and then went back to the home screen, it had the initial image in the cover | 05:18 |
| Nicd- | I changed the image in the cover a few times and then clicked to go back to the app, it was back in the image I had selected earlier, not the one in the cover | 05:18 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, mail about this to mailing list? may be fixed in later update | 05:19 |
| Nicd- | I can't do that now but later this weekend | 05:20 |
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| Nicd- | Stskeeps: can you tell when we can expect internal APIs like media player API etc? | 06:07 |
| Nicd- | or just "when it's ready"? | 06:07 |
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| Yaniel | lbt: sailfishos.org/ and sailfishos.org/index.html are out of sync | 07:03 |
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| jake9xx | Yaniel: I'll take this to our IT - it's a CDN problem, wonders of cloud technology | 07:07 |
| jake9xx | Yaniel: thanks for pointing out | 07:08 |
| Yaniel | thanks for the quick response :) | 07:08 |
| jake9xx | all: https://sailfishos.org/wiki/SDK_Alpha_Qt5_Known_Issues <- more stuff here regarding uninstallation | 07:08 |
| jake9xx | Yaniel: hth | 07:08 |
| Juice__ | am I correct that sailfish sdk does not yet support qt5 and qtquick 2.0? | 07:11 |
| Yaniel | the new version does | 07:11 |
| jake9xx | Juice__: it does, that's the idea | 07:11 |
| Yaniel | and it uses wayland, right? | 07:12 |
| Stskeeps | Juice__: it's qt5, qtquick 2.0, wayland, yes | 07:12 |
| Yaniel | :3 | 07:12 |
| Juice__ | I have Qt Creator 2.6.2 based on Qt 4.8.4 | 07:12 |
| jake9xx | Juice__: depending on your location our CDN provider's cache might show you old sailfishos.org/, esp. if you have sailfishos.org// | 07:12 |
| Juice__ | And I don't get it to import QtQuick 2.0 | 07:13 |
| Juice__ | so what is the most recent version of the sdk I should have? | 07:13 |
| jake9xx | Juice__: when you instantiate a mer platform project you'll get access to our Qt5 target (rootfs) | 07:13 |
| jake9xx | Juice__: your installer should have 'Alpha-Qt5' in the name | 07:13 |
| Juice__ | damn, it doesn't | 07:14 |
| Juice__ | off to the internets to seek it! | 07:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | is thee a plan to support shadow build ? | 07:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and is there a plan not to create this rpmbuild folder in my $HOME ? | 07:15 |
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| jake9xx | Yaniel: fixed | 07:15 |
| Yaniel | awesome | 07:17 |
| jake9xx | Sfiet_Konstantin: that needs comment from lbt, everything is doable - we're Jolla :) - some things just take little time and some a bit longer | 07:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | jake9xx: :) np | 07:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | will send an email in the ml just to be sure | 07:18 |
| Juice__ | okay so the sailfish frontpage shows wrong download links | 07:18 |
| Juice__ | because of cdn or something | 07:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | better setup a bugzilla instance maybe :) | 07:18 |
| Yaniel | try reloading the page a couple of times | 07:18 |
| Juice__ | Yaniel: yeah, now it shows it | 07:18 |
| Juice__ | thanks | 07:18 |
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| jake9xx | Sfiet_Konstantin: ty | 07:19 |
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| faenil | o/ | 08:32 |
| aknight | \o | 08:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hey faenil | 08:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | SDK working ? or still issues ? | 08:35 |
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| faenil | Sfiet_Konstantin, I just switched the laptop on :P | 08:39 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :P | 08:39 |
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| lbt | Sfiet_Konstantin: that rpmbuild dir - I must have missed it, we're so used to seeing it. | 08:40 |
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| lbt | Sfiet_Konstantin: the code that does that is a mix of rpm itself and mb2 https://github.com/mer-tools/sdk-setup/blob/master/src/mb2 | 08:41 |
| lbt | Sfiet_Konstantin: istr rpm is pretty hardcoded though | 08:41 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | lbt: can you remove rpmbuild at the end of the script ? | 08:41 |
| lbt | Sfiet_Konstantin: I guess so ... as usual it's the edge-cases that matter | 08:42 |
| lbt | some people use and rely on it :) | 08:42 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yeah | 08:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I know | 08:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (remove it inside QtC ?) | 08:43 |
| lbt | now we get into what roles the components play | 08:44 |
| lbt | QtC shouldn't know about it | 08:44 |
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| lbt | flux: np, welcome | 09:04 |
| flux | hello. qt creator says "Could not connect to MerSDK Virtual Machine. Connection refused." - suggestions? | 09:06 |
| flux | it seems to start up fine and I can ping google.com from it | 09:06 |
| flux | the last message in the MerSDK window is "Adding src workspace src1" | 09:07 |
| flux | localhost port 2222 responds, but 2223 does not | 09:08 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | flux: can you ssh into it ? | 09:08 |
| flux | yes | 09:09 |
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| lbt | flux: what platform are you on | 09:10 |
| flux | hmm, actually this might be a non-persistent user error :). is it so that I should have two virtual machinse running? | 09:10 |
| lbt | there are 2 VMs | 09:11 |
| lbt | build engine & emulator | 09:11 |
| lbt | 2222 is engine (via nat) | 09:11 |
| lbt | 2223 is emulator | 09:11 |
| flux | I pressed 'run' again and it started a new vm, but it still says 'Could not connect to SailfishOS emulator virtual machine' | 09:11 |
| flux | I run debian unstable | 09:11 |
| flux | on x86/64 | 09:11 |
| lbt | yeah - QtC is a little dumb in that situation | 09:11 |
| lbt | flux: same as me | 09:11 |
| flux | it started the emulator, but apparently not the application. | 09:12 |
| flux | rerun?-o | 09:12 |
| flux | great, third time is the charm :) | 09:12 |
| flux | I actually tried this with the previous sdk, but judged it just buggy and wasn't persistent enough.. | 09:12 |
| lbt | it's rather annoying to me that it is still so dumb after so long | 09:13 |
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| * Superpelican is finally going to download the new SDK :D | 09:14 | |
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| lbt | flux: once you get what's happening (ie you need the engine running to compile and you need the emulator running to test) then the status at the bottom left helps | 09:15 |
| lbt | if only the dominant colour for "all is well" wasn't red !!! | 09:15 |
| * lbt sighs :) | 09:15 | |
| locusf | where can I find the qml sources in the newest SDK emulator? | 09:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: \o/ | 09:17 |
| Superpelican | Download just completed :D | 09:17 |
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| Superpelican | Too bad I have to delete the old SDK first :( | 09:18 |
| locusf | for Silica that is | 09:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: what's the problem | 09:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | why are people wanting to keep an outdated thing | 09:20 |
| Superpelican | well this works at least | 09:21 |
| Superpelican | I have experience ;) | 09:21 |
| Superpelican | I was a distro hopper | 09:21 |
| Superpelican | But I think I'm finally resting now ;) | 09:21 |
| Superpelican | openSUSE | 09:21 |
| locusf | I tried the SilicaWebView example and it doesn't work at all, SilicaWebView is not a type | 09:22 |
| Superpelican | the only thing that can lure me away now is Fedora | 09:22 |
| Superpelican | with it's update kernels between releases policy | 09:22 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin: but at least my hardware isn't troublesome ;) | 09:23 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:Except for Optimus | 09:24 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:But I've mastered that now ;) | 09:24 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 09:24 |
| Superpelican | I've finally succeeded in turning off that stupid discrete Nvidia card | 09:24 |
| Superpelican | that was heating up my laptop | 09:24 |
| Superpelican | and drawing power | 09:24 |
| Superpelican | thanks to the awesome openSUSE forums :) | 09:24 |
| Superpelican | so that's another reason to stay with openSUSE | 09:25 |
| Superpelican | otherwise I'll have to get the stupid card turned off again | 09:25 |
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| nahka | sailfish os design guidelines are not final, I assume? | 09:25 |
| Superpelican | nahka:Well nothing's ever finished | 09:26 |
| Superpelican | There's always room for improvement | 09:26 |
| Superpelican | so from that point of view | 09:26 |
| Superpelican | ...no | 09:26 |
| Superpelican | but I can't imagine them changing it radically | 09:26 |
| locusf | /usr/lib/qt5/qml/Sailfish/Silica | 09:26 |
| Superpelican | the basics will probably remain the smae | 09:27 |
| Superpelican | s/smae/same | 09:27 |
| lbt | locusf: rofl - I was just about to suggest around there | 09:27 |
| Superpelican | locusf:So that's why you need to uninstall the SDK? | 09:27 |
| locusf | Superpelican: I do? | 09:27 |
| Superpelican | locusf: ? | 09:27 |
| locusf | Superpelican: what do you mean | 09:27 |
| locusf | why do I need to uninstall the SDK | 09:28 |
| Superpelican | If /usr/lib/qt5/qml/Sailfish/Silica is the reason why we need to uninstall the SDK? | 09:28 |
| Superpelican | or isn't that on the host? | 09:28 |
| locusf | no I just FYI'd that here, if people were wondering where the current qml sources are | 09:28 |
| Superpelican | locusf:I meant the old SDK | 09:28 |
| Superpelican | locusf:But is that dir on the Sailfish emulator or on the host system? | 09:29 |
| locusf | lbt: suggest what? | 09:29 |
| locusf | Superpelican: emulator | 09:29 |
| Superpelican | ah ok | 09:29 |
| Superpelican | So it isn't the reason we need to uninstall the old SDK | 09:29 |
| lbt | /usr/lib/qt5/qml/* | 09:29 |
| locusf | ah ok | 09:29 |
| flux | does the SDK support QML debugging? I just get "Could not connect to the in-process QML debugger. The application is not set up for QML/JS debugging." and I seem to be unable to find the things the help suggests I should enable (I imagine the help is just obsolete?). Debugger Settings/Enable QML is enabled, though. | 09:30 |
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| Yaniel | see FAQ, you need to install some package(s) | 09:30 |
| Superpelican | yeah you should install some like qt5-qdeclarative-qml-debugger-plugin | 09:31 |
| Superpelican | or something like that | 09:31 |
| Superpelican | in the emulator | 09:31 |
| Superpelican | s/some/something | 09:31 |
| Yaniel | "For qml debugging you must "zypper in qt5-qtdeclarative-plugin-qmlinspector" as root on emulator " | 09:32 |
| Superpelican | lbt: http://pastebin.com/Cxn5i2NF | 09:32 |
| flux | is sailfishos.org hidden from google, that phrase finds nothing?-) | 09:33 |
| Yaniel | it is a new page | 09:33 |
| locusf | lbt: any ideas about the SilicaWebView not working? | 09:33 |
| Yaniel | flux: https://sailfishos.org/wiki/SDK_Alpha_Qt5_Known_Issues | 09:33 |
| Yaniel | linked to from the "getting started" page nowadays | 09:34 |
| Morpog_PC | flux, works here, 1st result | 09:34 |
| Superpelican | oh Yaniel beat me :( | 09:34 |
| Superpelican | "zypper in qt5-qtdeclarative-plugin-qmlinspector" | 09:35 |
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| jake9xx | flux: https://sailfishos.org/wiki/SDK_Alpha_Qt5_Known_Issues | 09:37 |
| Superpelican | lbt:Is that anything to worry about? | 09:37 |
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| ubizhah | hello | 09:38 |
| flux | seems to work, thanks | 09:40 |
| Superpelican | lbt:http://pastebin.com/Cxn5i2NF | 09:40 |
| Superpelican | lbt:I could only choose "Ignore" | 09:42 |
| lbt | Superpelican: yeah - I'll feed it back... | 09:42 |
| Superpelican | lbt:Reply kept throwing the same error | 09:42 |
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| Superpelican | lbt:$HOME/.local/share/applications/ is empty now | 09:43 |
| Superpelican | so either it did remove the .desktops there after all or they didn't exist at uninstall time | 09:44 |
| Superpelican | Anyone else having problems with identi.ca recently? | 09:46 |
| Superpelican | Clicking buttons sometimes doesn't give any feedback | 09:46 |
| Superpelican | neither does it do anything | 09:47 |
| Superpelican | and notes sometimes take forever to send | 09:47 |
| jake9xx | Superpelican: with buttons you mean qtc buttons? | 09:49 |
| Superpelican | eh no | 09:49 |
| jake9xx | emulator? | 09:49 |
| Superpelican | http://identi.ca | 09:49 |
| Superpelican | Jolla has an account there | 09:49 |
| Superpelican | And therefore I've got one too ;) | 09:50 |
| Superpelican | http://identi.ca/jolla | 09:50 |
| Superpelican | jake9xx:Recently they switched to new software | 09:50 |
| Superpelican | jake9xx:And now I'm having lots of problems | 09:50 |
| jake9xx | :/ | 09:50 |
| Superpelican | Was just curious if I'm the only one | 09:50 |
| Superpelican | It's extremely annoying | 09:51 |
| jake9xx | Superpelican: tbh I don't have slightest clue what you are talking about :) | 09:51 |
| Superpelican | http://identi.ca | 09:52 |
| jake9xx | Superpelican: I've never used that service, didn't even know we (Jolla) have account there | 09:52 |
| Superpelican | is a microblogging service | 09:52 |
| Superpelican | a non-evil alternative to Twitter | 09:52 |
| Superpelican | it's based on open source software | 09:52 |
| Superpelican | but they recently switched from the status.net software to the pump.io software | 09:53 |
| Superpelican | and now I'm having many problems | 09:53 |
| jake9xx | that's usually causing problems.. "what could go wrong?" | 09:53 |
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| Superpelican | jake9xx:What I really think is stupid | 09:53 |
| Superpelican | is that on http://pump.io | 09:54 |
| Superpelican | they actually say that pump.io is still under heavy development | 09:54 |
| jake9xx | account identities? when nokia ditched their own people and merged ovi registration with yahoo I got superb lot of problems as my account in yahoo and ovi had same name | 09:54 |
| Superpelican | yet they put it on a production webserver with lots of people | 09:54 |
| Nicd- | hehe, I love the "Build failing" badge on the pump.io front page | 09:54 |
| Superpelican | yeah makes me believe it did actually fail | 09:55 |
| Superpelican | but they just turned on some compiler options | 09:55 |
| Superpelican | to ignore it | 09:55 |
| Superpelican | now let's hope I can successfully send my note | 09:56 |
| Superpelican | Yay | 09:56 |
| Superpelican | it actually worked | 09:56 |
| Superpelican | hmm I should really replace my profile icon on identi.ca | 09:57 |
| Superpelican | my homedrawn graphics are pretty bad | 09:57 |
| Superpelican | the older it gets | 09:57 |
| Superpelican | the more I realize it ;) | 09:57 |
| Superpelican | let's swap it for http://jolla.com/assets/img/PNG/Jolla_button_pohjat-04.png :) | 09:58 |
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| Superpelican | Interesting | 10:03 |
| Superpelican | the new SDK includes Python | 10:03 |
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| * Superpelican 's new SDK just finished installing :) | 10:06 | |
| Superpelican | http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtquick/qtquick-porting-qt5.html | 10:08 |
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| Superpelican | Especially might want to put this under your pillow :) : http://ubuntuone.com/6OZuBORb9IwQckegPzRDOh | 10:13 |
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| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:With what should #include <QGraphicsObject> be replaced? | 10:21 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: never use qgraphicsobject :O | 10:23 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | mind doing some pastebin ? | 10:23 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:But I didn't add it | 10:23 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:It was already in the template | 10:23 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | mind a pastebin ? :) | 10:24 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it should not :D | 10:24 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:This is what my include area looks like now: http://pastebin.com/tJjAVujQ | 10:24 |
| Superpelican | I've already changed the QDeclarative stuff | 10:25 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: are you sure ? | 10:25 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | did you used the Sailfish application template ? | 10:25 |
| Superpelican | yes | 10:25 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | are you using sailfish os qt creator ? | 10:26 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | this do not look like sailfish thing | 10:26 |
| Superpelican | Well I used the old SDK before | 10:26 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | let me check | 10:26 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | what is this file ? | 10:26 |
| Superpelican | I'm now editing the files in my text editor | 10:26 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sailfishapplication.h ? | 10:26 |
| Superpelican | main.cpp | 10:26 |
| Superpelican | oh eh | 10:26 |
| Superpelican | I forgot to tell I deleted sailfishapplication | 10:26 |
| Superpelican | and created a custom main.cpp | 10:26 |
| Superpelican | it's on the mailinglist | 10:27 |
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| Superpelican | which allows the use of setContext* | 10:27 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | that's my http://paste.kde.org/pff2cab82/ | 10:27 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | main | 10:27 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :/ | 10:27 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | i see | 10:27 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I think that the new one allows that | 10:28 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | call createView | 10:28 |
| Superpelican | oh was just going to ask :) | 10:28 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | then, set object | 10:28 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | then setView | 10:28 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | then showview | 10:28 |
| Superpelican | the sailors already said on the mailinglist that they were going to seperate the Sailfishapplication stuff | 10:28 |
| Superpelican | so that's very nice | 10:28 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yes, and it is done, in a very nice way :) | 10:29 |
| Superpelican | now I can just use the default stuff | 10:29 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yep | 10:29 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | there is a porting step indeed | 10:29 |
| Superpelican | well I'll just copy your main.cpp then | 10:29 |
| Superpelican | is it's licence GPLv3 compatible? :P | 10:29 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: create a new sailfish application | 10:30 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is the default template | 10:30 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | that do not carry any license btw | 10:30 |
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| Superpelican | strange | 10:30 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | recreate an application :) | 10:30 |
| Superpelican | technically it's illegal to use it then | 10:30 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is a template :P | 10:30 |
| Superpelican | at least that's what legal knowledge says ; | 10:31 |
| Superpelican | ) | 10:31 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | then rewrite it | 10:31 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it should take ~2 min | 10:31 |
| Superpelican | INAL | 10:31 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | you can even strip out the desktop thing that (imo) are useless | 10:31 |
| Superpelican | = I'm not a lawyer ;) | 10:31 |
| Superpelican | yeah my custom main.cpp was also desktopless | 10:32 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | don't use custom use jolla one | 10:32 |
| Superpelican | :nod: | 10:32 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and imo they don't care about the license | 10:32 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 10:32 |
| Superpelican | yeah I'm not really worried | 10:32 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is not really smething that should carry a strong license :P | 10:32 |
| Superpelican | So I think I'm going to edit the files first in kwrite | 10:33 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :/ | 10:33 |
| Superpelican | the .qml ones | 10:33 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | use QtC | 10:33 |
| Superpelican | and then create a QtC template | 10:33 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is harder better faster stronger | 10:33 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :D | 10:33 |
| Superpelican | aka Sailfish | 10:33 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | imo, create a new project | 10:33 |
| Superpelican | and then add the files to the project | 10:33 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and move the files you have | 10:33 |
| Superpelican | :) | 10:33 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (imo using anything that is not QtC or vim is rather pointless) | 10:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (QtC launches even faster than kwrite) | 10:34 |
| Superpelican | that possible too | 10:34 |
| Superpelican | but I just didn't want to import the .pro | 10:35 |
| Superpelican | etc | 10:35 |
| Superpelican | that'll probably cause lots of problems | 10:35 |
| Superpelican | and .pro.user | 10:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: rename old project, create new project and import file by file | 10:36 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:That was pretty much what I was going to do ;) | 10:37 |
| Superpelican | except for edit the files first | 10:37 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :P | 10:37 |
| Superpelican | aka port them first to Qt5 | 10:37 |
| Superpelican | and then import | 10:37 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I would port later | 10:37 |
| Superpelican | but it doesn't really matter | 10:37 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | so you can already compile and see where it fails to do an effective port | 10:37 |
| Superpelican | hmm, Silica components are still on 1.0 | 10:37 |
| Superpelican | I'd expected to see them on 1.1 | 10:38 |
| * Superpelican is going to test the emulator and Mer SDK VM first now :) | 10:38 | |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: think about 1.0alpha1 | 10:39 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | more than 1.0 then 1.1 | 10:39 |
| Superpelican | yay the VM works at least | 10:39 |
| Superpelican | now testing the emulator | 10:39 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 10:39 |
| Superpelican | it works | 10:39 |
| Superpelican | but it has an extremely weird pointer | 10:40 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is a circle to aid you to aim at a point :) | 10:40 |
| Superpelican | I'm going to test the settings app :) | 10:40 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | well, actually I don't know why it is a circle :P | 10:40 |
| Superpelican | huh | 10:41 |
| phaeron | to simulate a finger's touch area | 10:41 |
| Superpelican | the keyboard is set to Chinese virtualkeyboard by default | 10:41 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: no, it is settings for the chinese vkb | 10:42 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | try the components gallery demo app | 10:42 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yo will see that it is chinese | 10:42 |
| Superpelican | What's the fuzzy pinyin switch? | 10:42 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is an option specific to the chinese vkb | 10:43 |
| Superpelican | ok | 10:43 |
| Superpelican | hmm the settings app is crippled indeed | 10:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | there is a header on top saying chinese vkb | 10:43 |
| Superpelican | nice | 10:44 |
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| Superpelican | the Xs for closing the apps are now at the bottom | 10:44 |
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| Superpelican | It's a shame my screen doesn't have enough vertical pixels :( | 10:45 |
| Superpelican | 1333*768 | 10:45 |
| Superpelican | 854>768 | 10:45 |
| Superpelican | QDeclarative boostable doesn't work anymore with the template app | 10:46 |
| Superpelican | "warning: qdeclarative-boostable not available; startup times will be slower" | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | i think that it was missing in the target | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: ^ | 10:47 |
| lbt | hmm - will look | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | mapplauncherd-devel probably | 10:48 |
| lbt | Superpelican: you can 'scale' the emulator :) | 10:49 |
| Superpelican | I know | 10:49 |
| lbt | ok | 10:49 |
| Superpelican | but that looks awful :( | 10:49 |
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| lbt | you can get the right ratio and use it for usability and then full size for pixels | 10:50 |
| lbt | and hey - we don't make you buy a better laptop :D | 10:50 |
| Superpelican | ;) | 10:50 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: use resized mode | 10:51 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | host+c | 10:52 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:That does the same as scale | 10:52 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | well, that's what i meant, scale mode | 10:52 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | now you can resize your window | 10:52 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and fit it to a smaller screen | 10:52 |
| Superpelican | ah | 10:53 |
| Superpelican | if I change the width too | 10:53 |
| Superpelican | now it looks a lot better | 10:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 10:55 |
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| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:Can you place setContext* stuff between createView and showView? | 10:56 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: call createview without argument | 10:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | set context with the qquickview object returned by createviw | 10:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | then, use setview to set the file | 10:58 |
| Superpelican | ah | 10:58 |
| Superpelican | ok | 10:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | before calling showview | 10:58 |
| Superpelican | that makes sense ;) | 10:58 |
| Superpelican | and setContext* stuff between create and set? | 10:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yep | 10:58 |
| Superpelican | And I should need to create a pointer? | 10:59 |
| Superpelican | answering myself:no you don't | 11:00 |
| Superpelican | setView is a void :) | 11:00 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:What's the const QString & argument in setView? | 11:01 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: name of the qml file | 11:09 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | "main.qml" ? | 11:09 |
| Superpelican | ah ok | 11:09 |
| Superpelican | thanks | 11:09 |
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| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:How do you add existing files to a project? | 11:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | edit the .pro file | 11:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | or right click on the folder representing the project, and select add existing files | 11:13 |
| Juice__ | How can I emulate the pinch event on SailfishOS Emulator? | 11:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Juice__: you can't :( | 11:13 |
| Juice__ | mmkay | 11:13 |
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| lbt | Sfiet_Konstantin: Stskeeps: it looks like something was missed in the integration of the template | 11:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | lbt: what do you mean ? | 11:16 |
| lbt | http://pastie.org/8199716 | 11:17 |
| Juice__ | Can I emulate or react to zoom effect (for example mouse scroll?) | 11:17 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | Juice__: don't think so :( | 11:18 |
| aknight | Juice__: it could be done with a custom touch plugin actually but it's not something available out-of-the-box | 11:20 |
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| lbt | Sfiet_Konstantin: that should fix the problem | 11:21 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | lbt: ok | 11:22 |
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| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:yay, editing the .pro worked, now I've at least got my logic class back | 11:28 |
| Superpelican | the only thing left to add is my .qmls | 11:28 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 11:31 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: what app are you writing | 11:31 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | out of curiosity | 11:31 |
| Superpelican | nothing special | 11:32 |
| Superpelican | https://bitbucket.org/Superpelican/clamshell_cli/wiki/Home | 11:32 |
| Superpelican | note:It's the project page of the CLI version | 11:32 |
| Superpelican | so no GUI | 11:32 |
| Superpelican | but it's the code my app is going to be based on | 11:33 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:It has a long history | 11:34 |
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| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin: should I bother you with? ;) | 11:34 |
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| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:Guess where I compiled the ARMv7 build? | 11:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: N9 :) | 11:37 |
| Superpelican | I could only dream that :( | 11:37 |
| Superpelican | EasyDebian @ N900 | 11:37 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:Should I bother you with the long long history of my app? | 11:37 |
| Superpelican | :P | 11:37 |
| Superpelican | s/that/of that | 11:38 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | do whatever you want | 11:38 |
| Superpelican | Well it started as a 40 lines Python program | 11:38 |
| Superpelican | :) | 11:38 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | just that i'm coding and sometimes might not react :P | 11:38 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 11:38 |
| Superpelican | it was my first computer program | 11:38 |
| Superpelican | :) | 11:38 |
| Superpelican | I must have it somewhere | 11:39 |
| Superpelican | ah here it is | 11:39 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin: http://paste.kde.org/pd45e6827/ :) | 11:40 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :D | 11:41 |
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| Superpelican | it was a program to practise the Pythagorean Theorem | 11:41 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | cute | 11:41 |
| Superpelican | then I decided to create a multiplication tables practising program based on it | 11:41 |
| Superpelican | then I stopped learning Python | 11:42 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | too bad :( | 11:42 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | python is good | 11:42 |
| Superpelican | because I was obsessed with efficiency | 11:42 |
| Superpelican | s/was/am ;) | 11:42 |
| Superpelican | and started learning C++ | 11:42 |
| Superpelican | so to learn C++ | 11:42 |
| Superpelican | I ported my program to C++ | 11:42 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:Then I rewrote it | 11:43 |
| Superpelican | at first it relied on random numbers | 11:44 |
| Superpelican | it asked you completely random questions | 11:44 |
| Superpelican | so sometimes you'd get the same question | 11:44 |
| Superpelican | and other questions were never asked | 11:44 |
| Superpelican | so I decided to rewrite it | 11:45 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :D | 11:45 |
| Superpelican | but you could practise only 1 table | 11:46 |
| Superpelican | at a time | 11:46 |
| Superpelican | so I decided to add all multiplication tables mixed mode | 11:46 |
| Superpelican | it asks all multiplications tables up to 10 | 11:46 |
| Superpelican | in random order | 11:46 |
| Superpelican | but I wanted to learn how to use files in C++ | 11:47 |
| Superpelican | and expand my program :) | 11:47 |
| Superpelican | I also wanted to solve the hardcoded language problem | 11:47 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 11:48 |
| Superpelican | so I "invented" my own multilingual system | 11:48 |
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| Superpelican | https://bitbucket.org/Superpelican/clamshell_cli/src | 11:49 |
| Superpelican | it's simple and stupid | 11:49 |
| Superpelican | every line of text is saved in a simple .txt file | 11:49 |
| Superpelican | upon startup the file is read line by line | 11:50 |
| Superpelican | every line is saved in a vector | 11:50 |
| Superpelican | std::vector | 11:50 |
| Superpelican | aka nice array | 11:50 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 11:51 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sounds good | 11:51 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:check the source :) | 11:51 |
| Superpelican | for example: " cout << langpack[7] << "\n" << langpack[8] << "'" << cpu_answer << "'" << "\n" << langpack[9] << "'" << usersanswer_int << "'" << "\n";" | 11:51 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :D | 11:51 |
| Superpelican | I wrote to langpack files | 11:51 |
| Superpelican | dutch and english | 11:51 |
| Superpelican | and placed them on one.ubuntu.com | 11:52 |
| Superpelican | a dropbox alternative | 11:52 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yep | 11:52 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | better port everything to Qt, you will get some nicer stuff | 11:52 |
| Superpelican | and it downloads them with a dirty system("wget") | 11:52 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (localization platfomr ?) | 11:52 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: lol | 11:52 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin: :nod: | 11:52 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | QNAM is your friend :) | 11:52 |
| Superpelican | Stskeeps already told me yesterday | 11:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and better not use any dropbox like stuff | 11:53 |
| Superpelican | qstr | 11:53 |
| Superpelican | why privacy? | 11:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (like hum ... include everything in your source) | 11:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | practicity considerations | 11:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | why putting stuff on a dropbox, either setup a server or don't download | 11:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | easier | 11:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | if you want contributions to these documents, ask for pull requests | 11:53 |
| Morpog_PC | also lang files shouldn't be big | 11:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and maybe you can use qt's multilingual capability to get multilingual support | 11:54 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Morpog_PC: o/ | 11:54 |
| Superpelican | they aren't: http://ubuntuone.com/2kfNa8UQNAQo4DSdMrSsSW ;) | 11:54 |
| Superpelican | plain text | 11:54 |
| Superpelican | only the necessary information | 11:54 |
| Superpelican | no xml stuff | 11:54 |
| Morpog_PC | and you can use services like transifex to get people translate stuff for you | 11:54 |
| Morpog_PC | Superpelican, thats why they should be included with app | 11:55 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | clearly, better think about using Qt's translation features | 11:55 |
| Superpelican | I'm going to use them | 11:55 |
| Superpelican | I've already played with them yesterday | 11:56 |
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| Superpelican | Stskeeps recommended them | 11:56 |
| Superpelican | I have to port my app anyway | 11:56 |
| Superpelican | it's not a simple convert | 11:56 |
| Superpelican | I need to replace all the std stuff | 11:56 |
| Superpelican | with qt | 11:56 |
| Superpelican | too | 11:56 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: yes | 11:56 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | better write clean code :) | 11:56 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | not saying that std is not clean | 11:56 |
| Superpelican | I understand | 11:57 |
| Superpelican | :) | 11:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but that if you want to integrate code into Qt stuff, better us eQt | 11:57 |
| Superpelican | I agree | 11:57 |
| Superpelican | hmm, I'd better start porting now ;) | 11:57 |
| Superpelican | enough stories | 11:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: not hard | 11:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | actually hyper easy | 11:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ping me if you have questions | 11:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 11:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | or anyone out there I guess they are here for help | 11:58 |
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| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:I already have a project plan :) http://ubuntuone.com/3NMpcKNEqI0KnO9m6L2CgX | 12:03 |
| Superpelican | made it in LO Draw | 12:03 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: there is something called signals and slots to do that :) | 12:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and please | 12:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | no loop, the Qt event loop is here to handle that | 12:04 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:the arrows are signals ;) | 12:05 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 12:05 |
| Superpelican | they carry variables with them | 12:05 |
| Superpelican | and no, I'm not really going to create a while or for loop | 12:05 |
| Superpelican | just if statements | 12:05 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | pfewww :) | 12:05 |
| Superpelican | to check if all questions are answered ;) | 12:06 |
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| Superpelican | I created the plan to aid my memory | 12:07 |
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| Superpelican | in what's need to be done | 12:07 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:Yay, I also added the qmls now | 12:08 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:Is this channel being logged? | 12:10 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | no | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | there's always somebody logging, but not publically logged | 12:10 |
| Superpelican | that's strange | 12:10 |
| Superpelican | http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23sailfishos/ | 12:10 |
| Superpelican | but it isn't shown in the welcome message | 12:11 |
| Superpelican | I wanted to look something up that was said yesterday ;) | 12:12 |
| Superpelican | ah here it is:http://doc-snapshot.qt-project.org/qt5-stable/qtcore/qt.html#InputMethodHint-enum | 12:12 |
| Superpelican | numeric keyboard :) | 12:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :D | 12:12 |
| Superpelican | it was said yesterday that it works with Sailfish Silica too | 12:13 |
| Superpelican | There was even said that Sailfish Silica components are build on QML Qt5 components :D | 12:13 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:Discussion here:http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23sailfishos/%23sailfishos.2013-08-01.log + ctrl+f: "numeric" scrolls you to the relevant part | 12:14 |
| * Superpelican tries if his app runs | 12:23 | |
| Superpelican | hmm almost | 12:23 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:http://paste.kde.org/pb7db4821/ | 12:26 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:error: cannot convert 'QScopedPointer<QQuickView> (*)()' to 'QQuickView*' for argument '1' to 'void Sailfish::setView(QQuickView*, const QString&)' | 12:28 |
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| Superpelican | same error for line 11 | 12:28 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: first, line 9 you likely forgot something like createView | 12:33 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | and use appview.data() | 12:33 |
| Superpelican | How can that disappear? lol | 12:33 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican read the docs as well | 12:33 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | doc of qscopedpointer | 12:33 |
| Superpelican | I used .data(), but that gave another error | 12:33 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 12:33 |
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| Superpelican | was just about going to do that ;) | 12:34 |
| Superpelican | Just realized | 12:34 |
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| Superpelican | "Using Wayland-EGL" :) | 12:36 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:"file:///usr/share/Quick2Clamshell/main.qml: File not found " | 12:37 |
| Superpelican | it is in my .pro | 12:37 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: recompile, use rsync deployment system | 12:37 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | + you need to deploy those files | 12:37 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sec | 12:37 |
| aknight | qml.files += main.qml | 12:37 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | qml.files += main.qml and it fails ? | 12:38 |
| Superpelican | yes | 12:38 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | mind sshing into your simulator, and search for /usr/share/... | 12:38 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | using what to deploy ? | 12:38 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | rpm or rsync ? | 12:38 |
| Superpelican | eh honestly don't know | 12:39 |
| Superpelican | how do you choose? | 12:39 |
| Superpelican | I know what rpms and rsync are | 12:39 |
| Superpelican | but how do you choose between them? | 12:39 |
| Superpelican | hmm I think I found it | 12:40 |
| Superpelican | it's set to "Deploy by copying binaries" | 12:40 |
| Superpelican | so that should be rsync | 12:40 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin, aknight:This is my current .pro: http://paste.kde.org/p435a7fa9/ | 12:41 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | check on the project tab | 12:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | on the left | 12:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and then the execute tab | 12:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | select resync | 12:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ok | 12:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | recomil | 12:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hum remove the qml.files += main.qml | 12:44 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | dn't think it is even useful | 12:44 |
| Superpelican | it's set to rsync | 12:44 |
| aknight | i think the problem is that the qml files are in rpm/* | 12:44 |
| aknight | sorry nvm | 12:44 |
| aknight | misread that | 12:44 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | recompile ? | 12:44 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | like clean all | 12:45 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and then execute qmake | 12:45 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and then compile | 12:45 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (I'm supposing it is a macro problem) | 12:45 |
| aknight | well qml.files is added to INSTALLS | 12:45 |
| aknight | and that tells qtcreator to add it to the deployment list | 12:45 |
| Superpelican | http://ubuntuone.com/4OU5t7NRHJ8G9qKboKGqMZ | 12:46 |
| aknight | so to refresh that you either need to modify the value of INSTALLS or restart qtc | 12:46 |
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| Superpelican | I'll just remove something | 12:46 |
| Superpelican | and add it again | 12:46 |
| aknight | INSTALLS is set in sailfishapplication.pri | 12:47 |
| Superpelican | oh | 12:47 |
| Superpelican | "INSTALLS += target qml desktop" | 12:47 |
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| Superpelican | aknight, Sfiet_Konstantin:it didn't work | 12:48 |
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| Superpelican | I added a space | 12:48 |
| Superpelican | after desktop | 12:48 |
| aknight | can you show the output from the compile pane? | 12:48 |
| Superpelican | and it parsed it | 12:48 |
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| Superpelican | http://paste.kde.org/p432e5554/ | 12:49 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: compile panel | 12:49 |
| aknight | that's the application output | 12:49 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | not execution :) | 12:49 |
| Superpelican | http://paste.kde.org/p131c3ba6/ | 12:50 |
| Superpelican | Does it copy that? | 12:51 |
| Superpelican | if it does | 12:51 |
| Superpelican | than the toplevel dir is copied | 12:51 |
| Superpelican | so main.qml (which is in it) should be copied too | 12:51 |
| aknight | i don't see main.qml | 12:51 |
| aknight | the others are explicitly copied | 12:51 |
| Superpelican | that's true | 12:51 |
| aknight | you can try something like: | 12:53 |
| aknight | main.path = $$DEPLOYMENT_PATH | 12:53 |
| aknight | main.files = main.qml | 12:53 |
| aknight | INSTALLS += main | 12:53 |
| Superpelican | Interesting detail: "14:47:45: The process "$HOME/.config/SailfishAlpha/mer-sdk-tools/MerSDK/SailfishOS-i486-x86/deploy" exited normally." | 12:53 |
| Superpelican | and where should I put that, in .pri or in the .pro ? | 12:53 |
| aknight | .pro is fine | 12:53 |
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| aknight | just fyi, if main.qml isn't really in your project folder, it won't get deployed ;) | 12:54 |
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| Superpelican | It is in the toplevel project dir | 12:55 |
| Superpelican | aknight:Did you check the .pro I posted? | 12:55 |
| aknight | Superpelican: yes | 12:55 |
| Superpelican | ok | 12:55 |
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| Superpelican | So this "qml.files = *.qml pages cover main.qml" really is ok? | 12:55 |
| aknight | i think so | 12:56 |
| aknight | it should be :) | 12:56 |
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| Superpelican | same error again | 12:58 |
| Superpelican | lunch bbl | 12:58 |
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| ericcc | hello | 13:18 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | wb ericcc__ ! | 13:30 |
| ericcc__ | wb？什么意思呀 | 13:30 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | welcome back :) | 13:31 |
| Superpelican | aknight, Sfiet_Konstantin:It again didn't copy/deploy main.qml | 13:31 |
| aknight | hmm | 13:32 |
| aknight | Superpelican: what happens if you change the name of the file? | 13:32 |
| aknight | or move it to a subdirectory | 13:32 |
| Superpelican | you mean main.qml -> *.qml ? | 13:32 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: does it deploy files in cover / pages ? | 13:32 |
| Superpelican | yes | 13:32 |
| Superpelican | cover and pages are deployed according to application output | 13:32 |
| Superpelican | pane | 13:32 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: do you have main.qml in the root folder of your project | 13:32 |
| Superpelican | s/application output pane/compile output pane | 13:32 |
| Superpelican | yes | 13:33 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | if you shift click on the main.qml, does it open it ? | 13:33 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | in the same folder than *.pro | 13:33 |
| Superpelican | than == as? | 13:33 |
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| ericcc__ | ：） | 13:33 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: as | 13:33 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yes | 13:33 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I'm french | 13:33 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | my english is bad :P | 13:34 |
| Superpelican | I know | 13:34 |
| aknight | not that bad | 13:34 |
| aknight | try changing the name of the file and updating the pro, or better yet moving the file to a subdir | 13:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | aknight: bad enough :P | 13:34 |
| Superpelican | if("than" == "as"){answer = "yes"} | 13:34 |
| Superpelican | ;) | 13:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | strange | 13:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | mind pasting the pro again ? | 13:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | try with a new project ? | 13:35 |
| aknight | :) | 13:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | to see if the main got deployed ? | 13:35 |
| Superpelican | http://paste.kde.org/p1608c498/ | 13:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: maybe you should remove the main.path, main.files | 13:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | as wellas removing main.qml from the qml.files list | 13:36 |
| Sni_ | what could be solution for that qt doesn't upload added scriptfiles? I have downloaded sailfish calculator and its original scriptfiles are uploaded but if i add one it isn't. If I add .js scriptfile to fresh project will not upload either. | 13:37 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | just keep *.qml | 13:37 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Sni_: did you add that script file to the qml.files list ? | 13:37 |
| aknight | i was testing this earlier and got the impression that unless you mess with INSTALLS, it doesn't refresh | 13:37 |
| aknight | but also try running qmake again, as well as rebuilding the project | 13:38 |
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| Sni_ | Sfiet_Konstantin: maybe not because i can't figure what qml files list is | 13:38 |
| aknight | Sni_: in your .pro file | 13:39 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | aknight: sometimes I git clean -dfx to be sure to kill everthing that might not be refreshed | 13:39 |
| aknight | good point (assuming you have a git project) | 13:39 |
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| Sni_ | that was the solution. I looked at .pro files but in wrong place at first | 13:40 |
| Superpelican | still doesn't work | 13:40 |
| aknight | some dragons be on yer machine | 13:40 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: paste new pro ? | 13:41 |
| Superpelican | I have already | 13:41 |
| Superpelican | done | 13:41 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | we should call the QML exorcist aknight | 13:41 |
| Superpelican | http://paste.kde.org/p1608c498/ | 13:41 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | aknight: well, the qmake exorcist | 13:41 |
| Superpelican | I've now just removed the main stuff | 13:41 |
| Superpelican | as you requested | 13:41 |
| Superpelican | and removed the main.qml | 13:41 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: removed the main.qml in qml.files as well ? | 13:41 |
| Superpelican | yes | 13:41 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | try this then | 13:42 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | qml.files = *.qml pages/*.qml cover/*.qml | 13:42 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: mind sharing a github ? | 13:42 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | since it is an oss project | 13:42 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I want to take a look personnaly | 13:42 |
| Superpelican | eh I don't have GitHub | 13:42 |
| Superpelican | but I was planning on | 13:42 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: bitbucket ? | 13:42 |
| Superpelican | yes | 13:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | any git repo ? | 13:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | even a tarball ? | 13:43 |
| Superpelican | n ohg | 13:43 |
| Superpelican | no hg | 13:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | just show me the sources | 13:43 |
| Superpelican | but I can create a tarball | 13:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hg :/, I don't know hg sadly | 13:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but if I ca get the sources, it should be ok | 13:43 |
| Superpelican | oh it's extremely easy | 13:43 |
| Superpelican | hg clone | 13:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ok | 13:43 |
| Superpelican | and if you want, you can download the hg repo on bitbucket | 13:44 |
| Superpelican | as a tarball or .zip too iirc | 13:44 |
| Superpelican | I was planning to create a Bitbucket repo for it anyway | 13:44 |
| Superpelican | give me a sec | 13:44 |
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| ericcc__ | send it to email | 13:49 |
| Superpelican | ok this is going to take "little" bit longer | 13:49 |
| Superpelican | I haven't setup hg yet | 13:50 |
| Superpelican | and forgot how to do it | 13:50 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: go grab a git | 13:50 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | git init | 13:50 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | git add *.cpp *.qml *.h *.pro | 13:51 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | git add cover/*.qml pages/*.qml | 13:51 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | git add logic/*.cpp logic/*.h | 13:51 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 13:51 |
| ericcc__ | which code？ | 13:52 |
| Superpelican | yay I've pushed it to Bitbucket | 13:53 |
| Superpelican | oh | 13:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 13:53 |
| Superpelican | it's a Mercurial though | 13:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | np | 13:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | just installed mercurial | 13:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | link ? | 13:53 |
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| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin: "sudo yum install hg" + http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/TutorialInstall | 13:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yep, already done :) | 13:53 |
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| Superpelican | noooo | 13:54 |
| Superpelican | it pushed my .pro.user | 13:54 |
| Superpelican | it should've ignored it ... | 13:54 |
| Superpelican | https://bitbucket.org/Superpelican/quick_clamshell/src anyway | 13:54 |
| Superpelican | nooo | 13:54 |
| Superpelican | it even pushed kwrite's swp files | 13:55 |
| Superpelican | I'll have to read up again on .hgignore | 13:55 |
| Yaniel | did you by chance add . or * | 13:55 |
| Superpelican | Yaniel:To what? | 13:56 |
| Superpelican | in the .hgignore? | 13:56 |
| Yaniel | no | 13:56 |
| Yaniel | `hg add *` | 13:56 |
| Superpelican | hg addremove | 13:56 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | main file seems to deployed here | 14:02 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: well, you pushed binary files :( | 14:02 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but cannot find the file | 14:02 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | recompiling | 14:02 |
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| Superpelican | which file? | 14:02 |
| Superpelican | yep it pushed *everything* | 14:02 |
| Superpelican | I don't understand .hgignore | 14:02 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: bug found | 14:06 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | in Jolla's template :O | 14:06 |
| Superpelican | :O | 14:06 |
| Superpelican | Stskeeps, lbt: ^^ | 14:06 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: http://paste.kde.org/pca7034cf/ | 14:07 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | paste that into your sailfishapplication.cpp code | 14:07 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Will post in ML soon | 14:07 |
| Superpelican | What's the bug? | 14:07 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | using createView and then setView do not provide the ability to search qml files that are installed using "direct deployment" | 14:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (rsync) | 14:12 |
| Superpelican | oh | 14:14 |
| Superpelican | I just ran diff on it :) | 14:14 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:http://paste.kde.org/p0f11c339/ ;) | 14:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: I even sent a better one on the ML | 14:15 |
| Superpelican | So it's .startWith("/opt/sdk")? | 14:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yes | 14:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | when you rsync | 14:15 |
| Superpelican | nice | 14:15 |
| Superpelican | that just was my first usage of diff :O | 14:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | the one on ML inimizes code redundancy | 14:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 14:16 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:Now I'm going to try to patch my sailfishapplication.cp with patch | 14:19 |
| Superpelican | :D | 14:19 |
| Superpelican | BTW I just received the email | 14:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | lol | 14:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | have fun | 14:20 |
| * lbt looks | 14:20 | |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | lbt: the one in the mail is better | 14:21 |
| lbt | ah - I think this is because QtC is deploying based on project name, not TARGET | 14:22 |
| Superpelican | bad patch cmd | 14:22 |
| Superpelican | your insulting the poor sailors | 14:22 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:"patch: **** Only garbage was found in the patch input." | 14:22 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: well, I don't know patch either | 14:23 |
| Superpelican | I accidently swapped the patch file for the original | 14:23 |
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| Superpelican | patch original_file patch_file | 14:23 |
| Superpelican | I did patch patch_file original_file | 14:23 |
| Superpelican | And now it calls sailfishapplication.cpp garbage lol | 14:23 |
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| ericcc | Sfiet_Konstantin: it show :-1: 错误:Project is outside of shared home 'C:\Users\tom' and shared src ''. | 14:27 |
| ericcc | Sfiet_Konstantin: how to do | 14:27 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | ericcc: put it inside home :D ? | 14:28 |
| Superpelican | ericcc:upon installation it asked you to specify a path | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | ketil_k: did my mail help explain the versions a bit? | 14:28 |
| Superpelican | in case you want your projects outside of the home dir | 14:29 |
| Superpelican | so you should've specified a path then :( | 14:29 |
| ericcc | Sfiet_Konstantin: i had put the code in d:/qt why it ask me c:\user\tom | 14:29 |
| ericcc | and i change the C:\Users\tom\AppData\Roaming\SailfishAlpha\qtcreator\mersdk.xml | 14:29 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ericcc: because of the build system | 14:29 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ericcc: don't change that | 14:30 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | not a good idea | 14:30 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hum | 14:30 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ericcc, better ping lbt, I don't know windows specificities | 14:30 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:maybe you can edit a file in ~/SailfishOS after installation | 14:31 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:To add the path | 14:31 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | maybe | 14:31 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | not an expert of windows though | 14:31 |
| Superpelican | hmm maybe InstallationLog.txt can help | 14:32 |
| Superpelican | me neither | 14:32 |
| ericcc | Superpelican: you code in windwos too? | 14:32 |
| ketil_k | Stskeeps: Yes sure, I am still confused though . /usr/lib/libQt5Core.so.5.1.0 says it is Qt5.1.0 while https://sailfishos.org/wiki/SDK_Alpha_Qt5_Known_Issues says it use a patched 5.0 | 14:32 |
| Superpelican | no | 14:32 |
| Superpelican | Linux | 14:32 |
| lbt | ericcc: we should be able to fix this :) | 14:34 |
| lbt | ericcc: when you did the install it asked you about any other project areas? | 14:34 |
| lbt | you could have put d:\qt at that point | 14:34 |
| lbt | we can change it now though | 14:35 |
| ericcc | where can i change the home | 14:35 |
| ericcc | so how can i do? | 14:35 |
| lbt | ok - this needs a few steps | 14:35 |
| ericcc | change mersdk.xml? | 14:35 |
| ericcc | well | 14:35 |
| lbt | no | 14:35 |
| lbt | we're going to shutdown the build engine VM | 14:36 |
| lbt | then use virtualbox to change the shared folder | 14:36 |
| ericcc | ok i trum off the vm | 14:36 |
| lbt | then start it up again | 14:36 |
| ericcc | but i change the mersdk.xml | 14:36 |
| Superpelican | oh that's not too difficult | 14:36 |
| lbt | ericcc: change it back :) | 14:36 |
| ericcc | i had change tehe mersdk.xmlit don` mater? | 14:37 |
| ericcc | oh mersdk.xml i cant remnbere | 14:37 |
| ericcc | now i shutdonw vm ,wait | 14:37 |
| Superpelican | ericcc:Do you mean mersdk.vbox? | 14:37 |
| ericcc | not i mean mersdk.xml | 14:38 |
| ericcc | SharedHome i forger it | 14:38 |
| lbt | ericcc: worst case - uninstall, reinstall :) | 14:39 |
| Superpelican | hmm | 14:39 |
| Superpelican | mersdk.xml contains a <sharedhome> entry | 14:39 |
| ericcc | ok i go to find it | 14:39 |
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| ericcc | and then? | 14:40 |
| Superpelican | disclaimer:I don't nearly know as much as lbt | 14:40 |
| Superpelican | and I haven't exactly tested it so | 14:40 |
| Superpelican | ...better listen to lbt instead | 14:40 |
| lbt | ericcc: so open virtualbox tool | 14:41 |
| ericcc | go on | 14:41 |
| Uninstall | yeah, uninstall as nick has some cons | 14:41 |
| lbt | eric select the settings for the MerSDK VM | 14:42 |
| lbt | go to shared folders | 14:42 |
| lbt | pick the 'src1' entry | 14:42 |
| lbt | change the path to D:\qt (make sure the name is still src1) | 14:42 |
| ericcc | ok finish | 14:43 |
| lbt | restart QtCreator | 14:44 |
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| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin, lbt:previous error fixed, even more new ones appear :( | 14:46 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: like ? | 14:46 |
| Superpelican | http://paste.kde.org/p756b0273/ | 14:46 |
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| Superpelican | huh where's my main.qml? | 14:47 |
| Superpelican | QtC doesn't show it anymore | 14:48 |
| Superpelican | oh of course | 14:48 |
| Superpelican | I know | 14:48 |
| lbt | ericcc: if you make a project in d:\qt that should now worl | 14:48 |
| lbt | work | 14:48 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:remember when you requested me to remove main.qml form qml.files? | 14:48 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:But it turned out to not be the cause | 14:49 |
| Superpelican | Well I haven't added it back ;) | 14:49 |
| Superpelican | that must be it | 14:49 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: add main.qml in OTHER_FILES | 14:49 |
| Superpelican | Why not in qml.files ? | 14:50 |
| Superpelican | hmmm now my main.qml is back again | 14:50 |
| Superpelican | (after I added it to qml.files) | 14:50 |
| Superpelican | but still the same stream of errors | 14:51 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:They must be caused by your fix | 14:51 |
| Superpelican | They weren't there before :( | 14:51 |
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| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:Are you sure that you only added the .startWith("/opt/sdk")? | 14:53 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: yep | 15:00 |
| Superpelican | strange | 15:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: what is the stream of errors ? | 15:00 |
| Superpelican | check paste link above | 15:00 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | well | 15:00 |
| Superpelican | 16:46 | 15:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | line 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 | 15:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | are ok | 15:00 |
| Superpelican | http://paste.kde.org/p756b0273/ | 15:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | 11, 12, 14 15 are ok | 15:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | that leavs line 13 as wrong | 15:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | normal, because in the new Silica, we use Theme instead of theme | 15:01 |
| Superpelican | so capital T? | 15:01 |
| Superpelican | http://translate.google.com/#en/fr/capital T :) | 15:02 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: yes | 15:03 |
| Superpelican | oh | 15:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: are you kidding me :P | 15:03 |
| Superpelican | you never no | 15:03 |
| Superpelican | s/no/know | 15:03 |
| Superpelican | My English still has gaps too | 15:03 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: well, I sometimes no actually | 15:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sometimes yes also | 15:03 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:I also remember seeing "import Sailfish.Silica 1.0.theme" in a .qml | 15:05 |
| Superpelican | in the template | 15:05 |
| Superpelican | but it's gone now | 15:05 |
| Superpelican | I can't remember removing it though | 15:06 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is ok | 15:08 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | no need to import Saifish.Silica.Theme | 15:08 |
| Superpelican | ok thanks | 15:08 |
| Superpelican | Just ran find & replace on theme -> Theme :) | 15:10 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: yes | 15:10 |
| Superpelican | noooo | 15:10 |
| Superpelican | same errors again | 15:11 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:http://paste.kde.org/p7dc219b0/ | 15:11 |
| Superpelican | huh | 15:14 |
| Superpelican | my app does actually run | 15:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: they are not errors I said | 15:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | these are warnings | 15:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yes your app should run | 15:14 |
| Superpelican | awesome! | 15:14 |
| Superpelican | the sailfish keyboard can now enter special characters | 15:15 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:Just like on Android | 15:15 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:You long press a key | 15:15 |
| Superpelican | and slide your finger until your above the special character | 15:15 |
| Superpelican | and then let go | 15:15 |
| Superpelican | previous release didn't have it | 15:15 |
| Yaniel | cool | 15:16 |
| faenil | cool :) | 15:16 |
| Superpelican | so you can now for example enter the french characters | 15:16 |
| Superpelican | é è ë | 15:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yep | 15:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 15:16 |
| Superpelican | and the euro sign :) | 15:16 |
| Superpelican | I really hoped they would add it | 15:17 |
| Superpelican | I liked the way it was done in Android | 15:17 |
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| Superpelican | maybe even easier and faster than on the PC | 15:17 |
| Yaniel | nope | 15:17 |
| Superpelican | Yaniel:How do you enter special characters then? | 15:18 |
| Superpelican | No compose key? | 15:18 |
| Yaniel | dead keys | 15:18 |
| Superpelican | ah | 15:18 |
| Yaniel | or compose key | 15:18 |
| Superpelican | I have a EN_US keyboard setup | 15:18 |
| Yaniel | or dedicated keys | 15:18 |
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| Yaniel | well, compose/altgr | 15:19 |
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| Superpelican | I have the compose key assigned to the Super key | 15:19 |
| Yaniel | I don't actually have a compose key | 15:19 |
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| * Superpelican whispers to Yaniel and Sfiet_Konstantin: "No, don't ever call it the Windows key!" | 15:20 | |
| Superpelican | I still have to buy a sticker to cover that awful icon | 15:20 |
| Yaniel | it is called mod4 | 15:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I find the windows logo ok | 15:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is not bad | 15:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 15:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | well, the OS that this logo represents is really bad though | 15:21 |
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| Superpelican | true | 15:21 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:It says .openDialog() is deprecated | 15:22 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: do what it says | 15:23 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :/ | 15:23 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | when something is saying "do that", better listen to it ... | 15:24 |
| Superpelican | do I only have to replace openDialog() with push() | 15:24 |
| Superpelican | or will the argument requirements change too? | 15:24 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | no | 15:24 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | nothing changes | 15:24 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | check doc if you are unsure | 15:25 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Sailfish docs, just like Qt docs, are pretty good | 15:25 |
| Superpelican | But why does it complain that Wayland isn't support? | 15:25 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: these are debug warnings | 15:25 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | they are not saying: you, dev, do that ! | 15:26 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :P | 15:26 |
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| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:Was "parent" renamed to "Parent" too? | 15:29 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | no | 15:29 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | what's the problem ? | 15:29 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | parent is inside QML core language | 15:29 |
| Superpelican | "TypeError: Result of expression is not an object" | 15:30 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: send me the whole error | 15:30 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and maybe paste the code as well for me to understad | 15:30 |
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| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:The complete error stream (minus the warnings), give me another sec ;) I'll push the changeset to Bitbucket so you can check the code there | 15:36 |
| Superpelican | instead of spamming paste.kde.org | 15:36 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: pastes are made for that | 15:37 |
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| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:I've updated the Bitbucket repo | 15:39 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: error name ? | 15:41 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: well trace ? | 15:41 |
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| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin: ? | 15:42 |
| Superpelican | I've pasted the errors | 15:42 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | where ? | 15:42 |
| Superpelican | or didn't I | 15:42 |
| Superpelican | oops | 15:42 |
| Superpelican | forgot to paste the link | 15:42 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ... | 15:43 |
| Superpelican | sorry | 15:43 |
| Superpelican | http://paste.kde.org/pe8ee1d03/ | 15:43 |
| Superpelican | I understand the qstr part | 15:43 |
| Superpelican | I'll probably have to include something | 15:43 |
| Superpelican | or "import" in QML/JS/Python style | 15:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: dialog do not have parent | 15:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hum | 15:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I4m saying bullshit | 15:44 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | qsTr | 15:44 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | not qstr Superpelican | 15:44 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: remove line 9 10 | 15:44 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | parent do not exist for dialog | 15:44 |
| Superpelican | what's l4m? | 15:44 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (am not saying bullshit actualy) | 15:44 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | 4 = ' | 15:44 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I'm :D | 15:45 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: remove line 9, 10 in EnterMultiplicationTableDialog.qml | 15:45 |
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| Superpelican | I understand | 15:45 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and rename qstr to qsTr | 15:45 |
| Superpelican | ah | 15:45 |
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| Superpelican | I understand | 15:45 |
| Superpelican | it | 15:45 |
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| Superpelican | the *dialog.qml file can be kind of compared to a C++ class | 15:46 |
| Superpelican | so you have to create an instance of it | 15:46 |
| Superpelican | otherwise there *is no* parent | 15:46 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: actually I don't really know | 15:47 |
| Superpelican | strange it didn't threw errors in Qt4.8 | 15:47 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | in general QML 2 is stricter | 15:47 |
| Superpelican | ok, didn't know that | 15:48 |
| Superpelican | now it only throws the qstr error | 15:48 |
| Superpelican | but that's because I haven't fixed that yet | 15:48 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 15:48 |
| Superpelican | And now there are no errors left | 15:49 |
| Superpelican | yay the numeric keyboard thing works! | 15:50 |
| Superpelican | awesome | 15:50 |
| Superpelican | that makes my app *a lot* better | 15:50 |
| Superpelican | now that it has been ported | 15:51 |
| Morpog_ | now port to nemo :) | 15:51 |
| Superpelican | I can finally continue development :D | 15:52 |
| Superpelican | and then port it to nemo | 15:52 |
| Morpog_ | hehe | 15:52 |
| Superpelican | but I think I'm going to port Nemo to my tablet first | 15:52 |
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| Morpog_ | nexus 7? | 15:52 |
| Superpelican | cheap Android tablet | 15:52 |
| Morpog_ | damn, lol | 15:52 |
| Superpelican | Morpog_:http://superpelicanblog.wordpress.com/porting-mer-corenemo-mobile-to-the-cherry-m1007/ | 15:53 |
| Superpelican | I've already got my custom Mer compatible kernel running | 15:53 |
| Superpelican | with some vague rootfs | 15:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: better wait nemo wl | 15:53 |
| Superpelican | with ash | 15:53 |
| Morpog_ | well, now you got to port to wayland too | 15:53 |
| Superpelican | yeah but I haven't reached any GUI | 15:53 |
| Superpelican | But at least I can run "echo "Hello World!"" on it! :D | 15:54 |
| Superpelican | and Android still works! | 15:54 |
| Superpelican | so I'll have a nice dual boot | 15:54 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :D | 15:54 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: will do a lot of work on nemo WL on my iconia i think | 15:55 |
| Morpog_ | x86 is like cheating :) | 15:55 |
| Superpelican | Yes | 15:55 |
| Superpelican | true | 15:55 |
| Superpelican | the iconia is a pretty nice tablet | 15:55 |
| Superpelican | w500 wasn't it? | 15:56 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | w500 | 15:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it might be cheating | 15:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is still work for WL | 15:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I intend to use it for glacier | 15:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | especially that it will be easy to compile on it => faster dev | 15:59 |
| Superpelican | it may be cheating, but indeed it's a nice thing to ahve | 15:59 |
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| Superpelican | s/ahve/have | 15:59 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is crap | 16:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | please | 16:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is crap | 16:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | nice dev device but crap | 16:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :P | 16:01 |
| Superpelican | why? | 16:01 |
| Superpelican | it doesn't look like crap | 16:01 |
| Superpelican | it looks very sturdy | 16:02 |
| Superpelican | http://ic.tweakimg.net/ext/i/imagemedium/1305202182.jpeg | 16:02 |
| Superpelican | 1280x800 (WXGA) nice screenk | 16:03 |
| Superpelican | s/screenk/screen | 16:03 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | well | 16:03 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | crap GPU | 16:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | crap CPU | 16:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | crap battery | 16:03 |
| Superpelican | well | 16:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and > 1KG | 16:03 |
| Superpelican | it's a ATI GPU | 16:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yes | 16:03 |
| Superpelican | it can't be that bad | 16:03 |
| Superpelican | netbook AMD GPU's are pretty fast | 16:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | not enough to get smooth 60FPS for the 1280x800 pix | 16:03 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is not crap if you tear it in pieces | 16:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | the CPU is decent | 16:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | the GPU is nice | 16:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but well, Acer have done a really strange combinaison | 16:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | screen with too much pix | 16:04 |
| Superpelican | too much pixels? | 16:04 |
| Superpelican | does that even exist? | 16:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and an os that do not really manage touchscreens well | 16:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: for the GPU | 16:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (even with proprietary deviers under windows it is laggy) | 16:04 |
| Superpelican | But you don't actually use W7 on it, do yyou? | 16:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | with OSS drivers, and Sailfish, it was good, but not 60FPS | 16:05 |
| Superpelican | who cares? | 16:05 |
| Superpelican | it's faster than the N900 | 16:05 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: I care. If you have 59FPS, that's just not good | 16:05 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and I'm not the only one | 16:05 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | smoothness over perfs | 16:06 |
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| yunta | Sfiet_Konstantin: you're right, smoothness over perfs, so 59fps with all frames rendered in time (no jitter) is very good :P | 16:08 |
| Superpelican | yunta +1 | 16:11 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yunta: yep | 16:11 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | render in time is often quite important | 16:12 |
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| Superpelican | I really cannot understand how the w500 can be crappy | 16:13 |
| Superpelican | it has a SSD, 2GB of RAM, probably a nice GPU | 16:13 |
| Superpelican | and a high res screen | 16:13 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:Have you owned a N900? | 16:14 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: no but an N950 yes | 16:15 |
| Superpelican | :) | 16:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: well, it is crappy compared to an ipad or a N7 | 16:15 |
| Superpelican | then you don't know the definition of lag | 16:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | of cause, compared to a N9 / N900 it is really awesome | 16:15 |
| Superpelican | an iPad blahaha | 16:15 |
| Superpelican | an iPad has a dual core SoC | 16:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: well, iPad is light and smooth | 16:15 |
| Superpelican | you can't compare it | 16:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and nice battery life | 16:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | i compare tablets, so i say that w500 is a crappy tablet | 16:16 |
| Superpelican | a N7 has a quad core | 16:16 |
| Superpelican | that's true maybe | 16:16 |
| Superpelican | but who cares if it's a crappy tablet | 16:16 |
| Superpelican | if it runs fine | 16:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: it runs no fine if you compare it to the ipad | 16:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | the goal is to match the ipad | 16:17 |
| Superpelican | Have you owned a low-end Android? | 16:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | that's an ambitious goal | 16:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: yes, the HTC dream | 16:17 |
| Superpelican | When did you last use it? | 16:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | like 1 year ago :) | 16:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | when I got the N9 | 16:18 |
| Superpelican | too long | 16:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I also used a GS2 | 16:18 |
| Superpelican | then you're already accustomed to a smooth experience | 16:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yes | 16:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | that's the goal | 16:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | how can you expect challenging these giants without challenging their strength | 16:18 |
| Superpelican | Are N9s laggy? | 16:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: yes | 16:18 |
| Superpelican | They always look so extremely nice and smooth in videos | 16:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | like apps not responding sometimes etc | 16:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | you never saw a 1 year old N9 | 16:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :D | 16:19 |
| Superpelican | so much better than a N900 | 16:19 |
| Superpelican | but they aren't actually? | 16:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | they are | 16:19 |
| Morpog_ | n9 is alot of times lag free, but as soon it has some background IO, it's lag hell | 16:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but they are old | 16:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | actually it is because of the singlecore | 16:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | dual core phones with linux are so much better | 16:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | not with android | 16:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | because I don't know how they can create lag just in render | 16:20 |
| Morpog_ | Sfiet_Konstantin, I think it's because of slow emmc with high latency when swapping stuff | 16:21 |
| Superpelican | does a N9 even need to swap? | 16:21 |
| Superpelican | with 1GB RAM | 16:21 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Morpog_: that Android lag in render ? :D | 16:21 |
| Morpog_ | Sfiet_Konstantin, no in N9 | 16:22 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | Morpog_: hum ? | 16:22 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | IMO it is just that the render thread do not have all there sources to do the render in time | 16:22 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | that's all | 16:22 |
| Morpog_ | well, low IO could be the source for that :) | 16:23 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yes | 16:23 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | that's the idea | 16:23 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | didn't understand the swapping stuff though | 16:23 |
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| Morpog_ | n9 buffers alot of stuff, when you close an app, it puts that stuff in swap, doesn't it? | 16:24 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | Morpog_: not sure that there is a swap in n9 | 16:24 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:Were you @ Jolla Love Day? | 16:25 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: yes | 16:26 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I'm at Jolla now | 16:26 |
| Superpelican | :O | 16:26 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:So you've tried a Jolla? | 16:26 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: yes | 16:26 |
| Superpelican | :O | 16:26 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:Are they smoother than the emulator? | 16:26 |
| Superpelican | the emulator feels a bit laggy when switching page in an app | 16:27 |
| Morpog_ | Sfiet_Konstantin, it has. Try cat /proc/swaps | 16:27 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: the emulator is laggy. it is an emulator | 16:27 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Morpog_: ok, trust you :) | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | emulator will be faster, too | 16:27 |
| Superpelican | why? | 16:28 |
| Morpog_ | hmm, but i see it's a ram swap, how strange is that | 16:28 |
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| Morpog_ | so ram in theory isn't 1GB at N9 | 16:28 |
| Morpog_ | more like 768MB | 16:29 |
| yunta | it's compressed | 16:29 |
| yunta | ram swap that is | 16:29 |
| Morpog_ | but isn't it a bit counterproductive to put swap in ram? | 16:30 |
| Morpog_ | or was the emmc too slow? | 16:30 |
| Morpog_ | Superpelican, edit the simulator VM to use 4 CPU*s and it feels less laggy | 16:31 |
| Superpelican | Morpog_:but the settings seem read-only | 16:32 |
| Superpelican | every things gray | 16:32 |
| Morpog_ | you need to stop the VM to edit | 16:32 |
| Superpelican | oh | 16:32 |
| yunta | Morpog_: progs memory is usually highly compressible, so that ram-swap practically increases memory at much less cost than emmc | 16:33 |
| Morpog_ | yunta, and when it's compressed, it uses extra cpu cycles for compression and decompression.... | 16:33 |
| Superpelican | shouldn't I enable 3D acceleration too? | 16:33 |
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| Superpelican | So it's depended on what is the bottleneck: the cpu or the emmc | 16:33 |
| Morpog_ | Superpelican, that won't work | 16:33 |
| Superpelican | :( | 16:33 |
| Superpelican | s/depended/dependent | 16:33 |
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| Morpog_ | well, if N9 had a dualcore iwouldn't see a problem in that extra cpu cycles | 16:34 |
| Morpog_ | stskeeps, so next sdk update makes emulator faster? | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | Morpog_: yeah, definately.. we found some optimization points | 16:38 |
| Morpog_ | sounds great, although it already runs great here at my HW | 16:39 |
| Superpelican | Morpog_:What hw? Core i3-2310M dual core with hyperthreading @ 2,1 GHz here | 16:39 |
| Morpog_ | Core i5-2550k at 4,5Ghz (4 cores without hyperthreading) | 16:40 |
| Superpelican | I think that *might* explain it | 16:40 |
| Superpelican | :O | 16:40 |
| Morpog_ | and 16GB ram :) | 16:40 |
| Superpelican | :O :O :O | 16:41 |
| Superpelican | make that 4 times less here | 16:41 |
| Superpelican | But my emulator it running again | 16:41 |
| Superpelican | so thanks for the advice | 16:41 |
| Superpelican | I've given it the ability to use 4 cores | 16:41 |
| Superpelican | which I don't really have | 16:41 |
| Superpelican | but with hyperthreading | 16:42 |
| Aard | Superpelican: I'd be careful with that, for vm use treating one of the virtual cpus from ht as normal core will make things slower, not faster | 16:42 |
| yunta | Morpog_: yes, it's just a tradeoff... you loose 256MB of fast memory for slower ~512MB of ram-swap. emmc swap would be *much* slower. and slow ram-swap is better than oom. | 16:43 |
| Superpelican | Morpog_:It worked | 16:43 |
| Superpelican | it's truly faster | 16:43 |
| Morpog_ | well superpelican, thats more than 2 years old HW | 16:43 |
| Morpog_ | I got | 16:43 |
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| Superpelican | well our CPUs are from the same gen | 16:43 |
| Morpog_ | yunta, but are there lots of situations where the 1GB ram wouldn't have been enough? | 16:44 |
| Morpog_ | Superpelican, thats why I prefer desktop PCs. | 16:46 |
| Superpelican | you can upgrade the hw | 16:46 |
| Morpog_ | and it's cheaper | 16:46 |
| Superpelican | well | 16:46 |
| Superpelican | tbh | 16:46 |
| Morpog_ | for same performance | 16:46 |
| Superpelican | I haven't seen desktop pcs being cheaper | 16:47 |
| Morpog_ | but you can of course get much higher performance than on a laptop ;) | 16:47 |
| yunta | Morpog_: not if you reboot your phone often. but software tends to be leaky. so, this ram-swap increases stability of long-on N9s in practice. | 16:47 |
| Superpelican | and you need a monitor too | 16:47 |
| Superpelican | at least not here in the Netherlands | 16:47 |
| Morpog_ | Superpelican, i can have my monitor for 2 or 3 PC's | 16:48 |
| Superpelican | true | 16:48 |
| Superpelican | but if you buy a desktop for the first time | 16:48 |
| Superpelican | you won't have that advantage | 16:48 |
| Morpog_ | on a laptop you throw away your monitor with every device :) | 16:48 |
| Superpelican | true | 16:48 |
| Superpelican | I'm not against desktop pc | 16:49 |
| Superpelican | s | 16:49 |
| Superpelican | but just saying | 16:49 |
| Morpog_ | plus i can relax on 27" at 1920x1200 :) | 16:49 |
| Superpelican | true | 16:49 |
| Superpelican | I have to scale my Sailfish emulator | 16:49 |
| Superpelican | 1333*768 here | 16:49 |
| Superpelican | 854>768 | 16:49 |
| Morpog_ | next display I get will have at least 2560x1440 | 16:49 |
| Superpelican | :) | 16:50 |
| Morpog_ | I dream of that 30" 4k monitor :) | 16:50 |
| Superpelican | might want to dream of a bigger room too then | 16:50 |
| Morpog_ | http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/07/02/asus-315-inch-4k-pc-monitor-available-for-pre-order-costs-3500 | 16:50 |
| Morpog_ | 3840 x 2160 :D | 16:50 |
| Superpelican | I assume it's 31,5 inch? | 16:51 |
| Morpog_ | so much windows to place on such big space :) | 16:51 |
| Morpog_ | yep | 16:51 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:pageStack.push() doesn't work | 16:53 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:on 1 page it does work, on the other it doesn't | 16:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: :/ | 16:53 |
| Superpelican | I literally did ctrl+c + ctrl+v | 16:54 |
| Superpelican | to copy the line from the working page to the other page | 16:54 |
| Superpelican | and it doesn't throw an error | 16:54 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:I'll update the repo, so you can have a look | 16:55 |
| Superpelican | s/have/take | 16:55 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:I've updated the repo, so you can a look now :) | 16:57 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: I'm coding now | 16:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | better try to solve it yourself ? :) | 16:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | e | 16:58 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: better ? | 17:15 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | or still not working ? | 17:15 |
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| Juice__ | Can you others debug using Sailfish emulator? | 21:33 |
| Juice__ | I get: "QML Debugger: Ignoring "-qmljsdebugger=port:10001,block". Remote debugger plugin has not been found." | 21:33 |
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| lbt_ | Juice__: https://sailfishos.org/wiki/SDK_Alpha_Qt5_Known_Issues#Emulator qml debugging stuff | 22:16 |
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