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| nahka | where i can find materials for app designing? | 13:07 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | nahka: what do you mean app designing ? | 13:09 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | what kind of materials do you need | 13:09 |
| nahka | like icon kits and other materials | 13:10 |
| nahka | https://developer.android.com/design/downloads/index.html | 13:11 |
| nahka | stuff like this | 13:11 |
| nahka | for example | 13:11 |
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| cybette | nahka: perhaps you can start with https://sailfishos.org/design.html | 13:22 |
| nahka | yeah i've read those | 13:23 |
| nahka | well, guess I'll just start sketching | 13:23 |
| Yaniel | not much else available atm I suppose | 13:24 |
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| cybette | not at the moment | 13:27 |
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| sledgeSim | nahka, all is available in .png/.svg formats under /usr/share/theme/* under sailfish emulator | 13:46 |
| sledgeSim | you can extract them via scp and enjoy | 13:47 |
| nahka | awesome | 13:47 |
| nahka | thanks! | 13:47 |
| sledgeSim | have fun :) | 13:47 |
| sledgeSim | if you want to re-use some of icons unmodified, you can query their theme name instead | 13:48 |
| sledgeSim | but if you want to sketch your stuff, you can re-use existing graphics | 13:48 |
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| Superpelican | Is internationalisation/localisation important for Sailfish OS applications? | 16:43 |
| Superpelican | Or will hardcoded English language strings do the job? | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | it's always important in any apps | 16:44 |
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| Superpelican | Stskeeps:I basically currently have my own internationalisation system ;) | 16:48 |
| Superpelican | Stskeeps:It's probably extremely bad | 16:48 |
| Superpelican | Stskeeps:And stupid | 16:48 |
| Superpelican | Stskeeps:But hey, at least I learned reading, writing and creating files in C++ thanks to it ;) | 16:49 |
| profoX` | Hi everyone, can Sailfish OS currently run on a Nexus 7 tablet using Wayland and the Qualcomm GPU drivers? I've read some things, but I'm not sure what the current state is | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | yes, why not just use qstr? | 16:49 |
| Superpelican | because my app was pure C++ before | 16:49 |
| Superpelican | I'm building on a pure C++/STL app | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | profoX`: new or old nexus 7? | 16:49 |
| Superpelican | in fact it even dates back to my first real computer program | 16:50 |
| Superpelican | it has a very long history :) | 16:50 |
| profoX` | Stskeeps, oh, I have the old one I think.. | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | then you're thinking about nvidia drivers | 16:50 |
| Superpelican | I don't think I should waste your time with telling you the history ;) | 16:50 |
| profoX` | I've had it for a few months so I'm pretty sure it's the old one.. and yes it uses NVidia Tegra indeed | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | profoX`: the bits needed for ARM isn't out yet; but yes, you can run wayland on it | 16:50 |
| nahka | I assume there are people from Jolla here, right? | 16:51 |
| Superpelican | you're talking to one ;) | 16:51 |
| nahka | heh | 16:51 |
| Superpelican | nahka:Mr14#%rcks | 16:52 |
| Superpelican | oops | 16:52 |
| Superpelican | ctrl+c failed | 16:52 |
| Superpelican | last thing in my clipboard was a password :( | 16:53 |
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| Superpelican | oh well, you can't change your password enough | 16:53 |
| Superpelican | anyway nahka: https://sailfishos.org//community.html | 16:53 |
| profoX` | Stskeeps, can you elaborate what you mean? Should I be able to put Sailfish OS on Nexus 7 and run Wayland on top of it? including OpenGL ES 2 apps? (I'm guessing not yet?) | 16:53 |
| Superpelican | oops nahka:I'm afraid I just mistaken you for profX` | 16:54 |
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| Stskeeps | profoX`: OK, so, sailfish = sailfish UI + nemo middleware + mer core + a hardware adaptation; sailfish UI is not available for ARM yet; but somebody has already run wayland on top of nemo + mer core | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | on nexus 7 | 16:55 |
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| Stskeeps | with full opengl es | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | with libhybris | 16:55 |
| faenil | *somebody* :D | 16:56 |
| profoX` | Stskeeps, interesting, is there documentation and/or code available? I only found this so far https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Community_Workspace/Tegra3/Nexus7 | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | profoX`: i think not yet but it was quite straightforward --- what would you like to try with it? | 16:57 |
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| Superpelican | Stskeeps:Is dynamic translation necessary? | 17:03 |
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| Superpelican | Stskeeps:As ability to change language during runtime | 17:05 |
| Stskeeps | Superpelican: not really | 17:05 |
| Superpelican | Stskeeps:But was is used to change the language then? | 17:06 |
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| profoX` | Stskeeps, just wanted to try out what is possible with wayland and QtCompositor on a Nexus 7 actually.. I started with buildroot on raspberry pi which now boots into wayland/qt compositor, but now I'd like to target my Nexus 7 and improve the compositor with multitouch if this works, so it's just for trying out some concepts... I found out about Sailfish OS when googling around, and it actually looks very promising already so I might | 17:06 |
| profoX` | also want to run (or help port) the Sailfish UI for ARM.. however I'm not sure what skills would be necessary, because I have little experience with graphics/driver development.. | 17:06 |
| Superpelican | s/was/what | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | profoX`: nod, stay tuned | 17:10 |
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| Superpelican | Stskeeps:Is this code (http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/qt4/internationalization.html#produce-translations) also required for qstr (QML) or is it Qt Widgets only | 17:38 |
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| Morpog_PC | stskeeps, can I install it over last SDK? (on Windows) | 19:04 |
| Morpog_PC | or better unintall / install? | 19:04 |
| lbt | Morpog_PC: read and tell me what you think :) | 19:05 |
| lbt | https://twitter.com/lbt_/status/363011424777285634 | 19:05 |
| Morpog_PC | oh, lol | 19:05 |
| faenil | :) | 19:05 |
| Morpog_PC | I try | 19:06 |
| locusf | me too | 19:06 |
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| Morpog_PC | with the sdk maintenance tool? | 19:06 |
| Morpog_PC | couldn't find packages from repository :( | 19:07 |
| Morpog_PC | Konnte keine Updates.xml aus der Quelle http://jolla.cachefly.net/SailfishOSSDK/alpha/repository/windows herunterladen. Fehlermeldung: Error downloading http://jolla.cachefly.net/SailfishOSSDK/alpha/repository/windows/Updates.xml?114332925 - server replied: Not Found | 19:07 |
| lbt | Morpog_PC: did you read the site? | 19:09 |
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| Morpog_PC | lbt nope, lol | 19:09 |
| lbt | :P | 19:09 |
| Morpog_PC | Existing SailfishOS Alpha SDK installations must be removed by running the "SDKMaintenanceTool" found in the installation directory. | 19:09 |
| faenil | Morpog_PC, where is that? | 19:10 |
| Morpog_PC | wait, lol you call that updateability, rofl | 19:10 |
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| Morpog_PC | faenil, in the windows installer download page | 19:10 |
| Morpog_PC | let me guess, you can update on linux and macOS? lbt | 19:11 |
| faenil | Morpog_PC, oh in the "Get Started" | 19:11 |
| lbt | yeah - do we need to be clearer about it | 19:11 |
| faenil | lbt, what about adding info on the main page for those who still have the old alpha? | 19:11 |
| faenil | lbt, definitely | 19:11 |
| lbt | I think so | 19:12 |
| Morpog_PC | well, your tweet made me think about a real update ;) | 19:12 |
| faenil | I don't even know I had an SDK maintenance tool on Linux, lol | 19:12 |
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| faenil | Morpog_PC, I think the NEW Sdk bring updateability, the old one doesn't have it so you need to remove and reinstall | 19:12 |
| faenil | but from now on it won't be needed | 19:12 |
| Morpog_PC | faenil, aaah that makes sense then | 19:13 |
| jake9xx | faenil: that's right! | 19:13 |
| faenil | jake9xx, thanks for confirming :) | 19:13 |
| faenil | error removing home/user/.scratchbox | 19:14 |
| faenil | is this thing removing all my other MerSDK stuff?? :( | 19:14 |
| Morpog_PC | in windoows it did delete whole sailfishos dir | 19:14 |
| faenil | Morpog_PC, it's trying to remove the directory here | 19:15 |
| faenil | I have other stuff inside that dir :( | 19:15 |
| Morpog_PC | backup? | 19:15 |
| yunta | faenil: "had" :P | 19:15 |
| Morpog_PC | lol | 19:15 |
| faenil | actually I can't get it to go on :D | 19:16 |
| Morpog_PC | i hoped we get new stuff on sailfishos.org too with SDK update :( like icon templates and stuff | 19:16 |
| locusf | Active keyboard: Chinese virtual keyboard WTF | 19:17 |
| faenil | lbt, cannot remove directory /home/user/.scratchbox2 here | 19:17 |
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| jake9xx | SDK Installer does not force delete anything you have done/copied there | 19:17 |
| faenil | jake9xx, alright...is there a way to make it go on? XD | 19:18 |
| jake9xx | windows, linux ? | 19:18 |
| jake9xx | faenil: ? | 19:18 |
| faenil | linux | 19:18 |
| lbt | faenil: Existing SailfishOS Alpha SDK installations must be removed by running the "SDKMaintenanceTool" found in the installation directory. | 19:18 |
| faenil | lbt, I'm getting that error during uninstallation | 19:19 |
| locusf | Fatal: This specfile does not have the qtc_* macros defined | 19:19 |
| locusf | old project :( | 19:19 |
| jake9xx | locusf: yes, workaround : patch the spec | 19:19 |
| lbt | locusf: ah - we need docs on that | 19:19 |
| Morpog_PC | maybe you should mark that sentence on sailfishos.org in red "Updated Silica with Qt5, QtQuick2 & Wayland" unless people without twitter and co. could miss the update. | 19:19 |
| lbt | locusf: even better ... change the yaml to have Builder: qtc5 | 19:20 |
| lbt | jake9xx: ^^ should be a better fix | 19:20 |
| locusf | lbt: ok | 19:20 |
| jake9xx | lbt: true, I'll pick these to known issues list | 19:20 |
| lbt | locusf: damnit - we did upgrade testing but didn't have a test to write a project in the old one and update that | 19:20 |
| faenil | is there anything I can do? | 19:20 |
| locusf | bash: /opt/sdk/mtgcounter/opt/sdk/bin/mtgcounter: cannot execute binary file | 19:21 |
| locusf | my old project | 19:21 |
| yunta | faenil: are you sure sdk vms are not running? | 19:21 |
| jake9xx | faenil: do you have .scratchbox2 directory mounted somewhere else? | 19:21 |
| locusf | new compile +'package install | 19:21 |
| faenil | jake9xx, I had MerSDK open (not the VM one) when I started the process...didn't know this wanted to kill everything in my sb2 | 19:22 |
| faenil | but now it's closed | 19:22 |
| jake9xx | faenil: you might need to umount your mersdk | 19:22 |
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| jake9xx | i.e. exit from mersdk shell | 19:23 |
| Juice__ | hi! does anyone know if there is md5sums for sailfish sdk installers? | 19:23 |
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| faenil | jake9xx, I did already exit | 19:23 |
| jake9xx | Juice__: I'll make one | 19:24 |
| faenil | jake9xx, and "sdk umount" says target is busy | 19:24 |
| Juice__ | linux 64bit please | 19:25 |
| Juice__ | it's just that I am not sure if my download succeeded or if there is something else wrong | 19:26 |
| faenil | jake9xx, and I have 2 sdk maintanance open, one is taking 25% cpu (1 thread) | 19:26 |
| faenil | doing dunno what... | 19:26 |
| faenil | (2 processes, but only one Window) | 19:26 |
| yunta | just reboot :P | 19:26 |
| locusf | my old projects don't even run | 19:26 |
| faenil | yunta, I can't stop the process, only "ignore | 19:27 |
| faenil | and now "Error during uninstallation process:" | 19:27 |
| faenil | no description! :O | 19:27 |
| lbt | locusf: OK - so lets work that out | 19:27 |
| yunta | faenil: if you reboot your pc - all processes will stop anyway, seriously ;) | 19:27 |
| locusf | lbt: ok | 19:27 |
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| lbt | locusf: first I suggest you make a new project using the new template | 19:27 |
| faenil | yunta, what about an option to abor the uninstallation.... | 19:27 |
| faenil | yunta, rebooting while uninstallation is half done isnt' very clean, is it | 19:28 |
| lbt | that will give you the new boilerplate for .pro and .yaml | 19:28 |
| yunta | faenil: very good point! | 19:28 |
| * Morpog_PC smells sarcasm in here | 19:28 | |
| locusf | lbt: ok | 19:29 |
| faenil | Morpog_PC, sarcasm has no point here, rebooting while uninstalling is plain stupid | 19:29 |
| yunta | lbt: ^ lets test that before beta release | 19:29 |
| Morpog_PC | well, when it's stuck it's stuck. I would have killed the process. | 19:29 |
| lbt | yunta: faenil: not sure what the issue is | 19:29 |
| faenil | Morpog_PC, it's not stuck, I just had to hit "ignore" | 19:30 |
| Morpog_PC | ah ok | 19:30 |
| faenil | but now I don't know what was left | 19:30 |
| faenil | and one of the errors didn't even have a description | 19:30 |
| yunta | faenil: I'm only suggesting reboot because it seems easy. Unless you work on server-like machine..... | 19:30 |
| lbt | faenil: was that the old uninstall from the Alpha? | 19:30 |
| faenil | lbt, yep | 19:30 |
| lbt | faenil: the main thing there is to remove both the SDK VMs and the SailfishOS dir | 19:30 |
| lbt | also anything from SDK in ~/.scratchbox2 (ideally all of it) | 19:31 |
| faenil | lbt, the first error was while trying to remove directory "scratchbox2) | 19:31 |
| faenil | all of it? | 19:31 |
| faenil | but, I have my other stuff in it... | 19:31 |
| yunta | "from SDK" | 19:31 |
| faenil | other targets which have nothing to do with sailfish sdk | 19:31 |
| lbt | faenil: yeah - the original uninstaller couldn't handle that | 19:32 |
| faenil | yunta, well the error was "while removing DIRECTORY scratchbox2" | 19:32 |
| faenil | yunta, not only sdk files :P | 19:32 |
| lbt | faenil: .scratchbox2/SailfishOS-i486-x86/ should be enough | 19:33 |
| faenil | lbt, yeah removed that ;) | 19:33 |
| faenil | let's try new installation now and see if it hangs | 19:33 |
| lbt | :) | 19:33 |
| lbt | let me know if it complains about .scratchbox2. | 19:33 |
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| faenil | ok | 19:35 |
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| Superpelican_ | the Qt5 SDK has just been released :D | 19:37 |
| lbt | faenil: sorry I kinda missed what sparked your issue - hectic few minutes :) | 19:37 |
| Superpelican_ | (in case it hasn't been announced on IRC too) | 19:37 |
| faenil | lbt, np, I understand :) I started the uninstaller, and got that errore "can't remove directory /home/user/.scratchbox2" | 19:37 |
| faenil | something like that | 19:37 |
| faenil | then "Error while uninstalling:" and no description at all | 19:38 |
| Superpelican_ | oh it has been I see | 19:38 |
| lbt | OK - we should "known issue" it | 19:38 |
| faenil | I had to hit ignore both of the times | 19:38 |
| locusf | lbt: ok old project, new spec, compile works but gettings some linker errors due to my complex setup | 19:38 |
| lbt | Superpelican_: ty :) | 19:38 |
| faenil | and it finished | 19:38 |
| faenil | lbt, new installation finished without errors it seems | 19:38 |
| lbt | faenil: so hard to hit all the permutations regularly during development | 19:38 |
| faenil | lbt, I understand, just giving feedback ;) | 19:38 |
| lbt | yeah ty - and make sure it gets into known issues (if I forget) | 19:39 |
| faenil | ok :P | 19:39 |
| faenil | bbl, dinner | 19:39 |
| Superpelican_ | lbt: lol the link in the email is broken | 19:39 |
| lbt | nooo | 19:40 |
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| yunta | lol | 19:40 |
| jake9xx | "What else could go wrong?" :) | 19:40 |
| Superpelican_ | you probably selected too much txt | 19:40 |
| Superpelican_ | clicking it results in the browser searching it on <insert_your_default_searchengine> | 19:41 |
| Morpog_PC | whats the application page in settings app good for? | 19:41 |
| lbt | Morpog_PC: pretty isn't it .... I think it's a teaser... | 19:42 |
| Morpog_PC | hehe | 19:42 |
| Morpog_PC | i like the keyboard chooser on the VKB space key | 19:43 |
| Superpelican_ | is the settings app available in the new emulator? | 19:43 |
| Morpog_PC | yep | 19:43 |
| Morpog_PC | well, a crippled settings app | 19:43 |
| Superpelican_ | awesome | 19:43 |
| Superpelican_ | well at least happy to see more things to play around with :) | 19:44 |
| lbt | Superpelican_: hmm - link works here - I wonder if some browsers need the trailing / | 19:44 |
| Superpelican_ | too bad I'm on my N900 | 19:44 |
| Superpelican_ | lbt:MicroB and Maemo default email client here :) | 19:45 |
| lbt | ah, you need a jolla device ... it wouldn't do that | 19:45 |
| * lbt carefully avoids saying what it *would* do right now... | 19:45 | |
| Superpelican_ | lol | 19:45 |
| Superpelican_ | best marketing ever | 19:46 |
| Juice__ | jake9xx: I don't need the md5sum anymore | 19:47 |
| Juice__ | download was just truncated | 19:47 |
| Superpelican_ | lbt:unless a Sailfish OS image for the N900 would appear ;) | 19:47 |
| * lbt suspects a png is the closest you'll get on N900 | 19:48 | |
| * Superpelican_ was just kidding | 19:48 | |
| Superpelican_ | :) | 19:49 |
| jake9xx | Juice__: it's actually soon there :D | 19:49 |
| Superpelican_ | I'd buy a Jolla for having more RAM alone :) | 19:50 |
| Morpog_PC | nice calender view, first I was puzzled how to change year, but then I noticed the pulley :) | 19:50 |
| locusf | lbt: do you know of any guides to porting to Qt5? | 19:50 |
| locusf | I have things like QtConcurrent::run which don't work anymore | 19:51 |
| lbt | locusf: only the standard Qt ones - lpotter may know ? | 19:51 |
| spider-mario | what do you mean it doesn’t work anymore? | 19:51 |
| Superpelican_ | locusf:there's a lot of info on qt-project.org | 19:51 |
| jake9xx | locusf: https://sailfishos.org/wiki/Porting/Harmattan | 19:51 |
| jake9xx | how about that ? | 19:51 |
| locusf | jake9xx: nice, thanks | 19:51 |
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| Superpelican_ | of course don't know if the Silica components were updated too | 19:52 |
| spider-mario | locusf : the include file may have changed | 19:52 |
| spider-mario | what do you include, currently? | 19:52 |
| locusf | spider-mario: #include <QDebug> | 19:53 |
| locusf | #include <QtCore> | 19:53 |
| locusf | #include <QDateTime> | 19:53 |
| locusf | #include <QTextDocument> | 19:53 |
| spider-mario | I meant for QtConcurrent::run | 19:53 |
| spider-mario | oh, QtCore | 19:53 |
| locusf | nothing | 19:53 |
| spider-mario | it should include QtConcurrent | 19:53 |
| spider-mario | oh, wait, not anymore | 19:53 |
| special | and you need QT += concurrent in .pro | 19:53 |
| spider-mario | QtConcurrent is now a separate module | 19:53 |
| spider-mario | you need to include its header file as well | 19:53 |
| spider-mario | (and add it to your modules, as mentioned by special) | 19:53 |
| locusf | ah ok | 19:54 |
| spider-mario | the .pro will still work with qmake from qt4 | 19:54 |
| spider-mario | it will just warn you that it doesn’t know of a “concurrent” module | 19:54 |
| spider-mario | but it’ll work anyway | 19:54 |
| locusf | 'fromAscii' is not a member of Qstring | 19:55 |
| spider-mario | (the same goes for widgets) | 19:55 |
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| locusf | fixed with fromLocal8bit | 19:56 |
| special | locusf: fromLatin1 is more likely to be what you want. | 19:56 |
| locusf | ah ok | 19:56 |
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| special | unless you know your text to be UTF8, in which case you want fromUtf8 | 19:57 |
| spider-mario | UTF-8 is great | 19:57 |
| spider-mario | I use it wherever I can | 19:57 |
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| Superpelican_ | spider-mario ++ | 19:58 |
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| Superpelican_ | the easiest to escape from encoding hell | 19:58 |
| Superpelican_ | s/the easiest/the easiest way | 20:01 |
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| Superpelican_ | Is SDL 2 supported in Sailfish? | 20:08 |
| Superpelican_ | Porting from Harmattan suggests so | 20:08 |
| Superpelican_ | Would be really nice | 20:08 |
| spider-mario | it would indeed | 20:08 |
| Superpelican_ | I was planning in learning it anyway :) | 20:09 |
| yunta | Superpelican_: afaik it will be supported (mer/nemo has it) | 20:09 |
| ibins | Uhoh: first install failure :-( | 20:10 |
| Superpelican_ | Notifications->Sailfish: none | 20:10 |
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| jake9xx | it's not linked separately but MD5SUMS is at http://jolla.cachefly.net/SailfishOSSDK/alpha/installers/MD5SUMS | 20:10 |
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| jake9xx | so if you suspect corrupted download, use that as reference | 20:10 |
| ibins | rough transation: Failed to install component org.merproject.emulator | 20:10 |
| Superpelican_ | So notifications are a core app only feature? | 20:10 |
| jake9xx | ibins: did you remove the existing installation? | 20:11 |
| ibins | yes | 20:11 |
| ibins | Unexpected failure code 1: | 20:11 |
| jake9xx | ibins: ising SDKMaintenanceTool found from your sailfishos installation dir | 20:11 |
| ibins | jake9xx: yes | 20:11 |
| jake9xx | ibins: what is your host OS ? | 20:11 |
| ibins | jake9xx: gentoo | 20:12 |
| Superpelican_ | Maybe notifications are provided by Nemo Mobile plugins | 20:12 |
| ibins | Installing mer sdk vm worked. | 20:12 |
| jake9xx | ibins: we have not QA'd on that so you are our first of kind there | 20:12 |
| ibins | Intalling the emulator vm failed | 20:12 |
| yunta | Superpelican_: it may just mean the component is not yet ready for publishing | 20:12 |
| locusf | lbt: app running \o/ | 20:12 |
| ibins | Bad luck, he? :-) | 20:12 |
| Superpelican_ | yunta: just what I was going to say :) | 20:13 |
| jake9xx | ibins: I think there might be something in the way emulator uses VBox that does not work on gentoo | 20:13 |
| jake9xx | ibins: I'll fire up installation tomorrow at work | 20:13 |
| Superpelican_ | the page also says the Nemo plugins aren't ready yet | 20:13 |
| ibins | The failure message continues: /usr/bin/VBoxManage modifyvm SailfishOS Emulator --ostype ...... | 20:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | alright, ambiancechanger got a port ! | 20:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | will push tomorrow | 20:14 |
| Superpelican_ | hmm | 20:14 |
| Superpelican_ | porting is faster than I thought | 20:14 |
| jake9xx | ibins: that's wrong. it should have "SailfishOS Emulator" with hyphenation markers | 20:14 |
| jake9xx | Superpelican_: can we quote that ? | 20:14 |
| locusf | jake9xx: what version of QtWebKit is installed in the sdk? | 20:14 |
| Superpelican_ | of course | 20:15 |
| ibins | jake9xx: I think you spared yourself a horrible gentoo installation party :-) | 20:15 |
| jake9xx | locusf: 5.0.2 but with patches | 20:15 |
| jake9xx | ibins: nää, I'll just fire up a VM for it | 20:16 |
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| Superpelican_ | jake9xx:Webkit or Qt? | 20:16 |
| Superpelican_ | "5.0.2" | 20:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | locusf: webkit that comes with Qt5 | 20:17 |
| jake9xx | Superpelican_: libqtwebkit5-5.0.2git380.289da56-1.4.6.i486.rpm | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | closer to 5.1 than 5.0.2 | 20:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | import QtWebKit 3.0 if you mean in QML | 20:17 |
| jake9xx | yes | 20:17 |
| Superpelican_ | ok | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | its from right before 5.1 release | 20:17 |
| Superpelican_ | so it's kind of based on a nightly? | 20:18 |
| Superpelican_ | with patches applied | 20:18 |
| locusf | SilicaWebView is not found :/ | 20:18 |
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| Superpelican_ | really looks like SDL 2 (therefore with openGL ES acceleration) is supported | 20:19 |
| Superpelican_ | check https://sailfishos.org/wiki/Porting/Harmattan | 20:19 |
| Superpelican_ | there lots of information about it | 20:20 |
| ibins | jake9xx: anything I can do about this "SailfishOS Emulator" without hyphenation markers? Could I help someway? | 20:20 |
| locusf | Error: Error while loading page: file:///opt/sdk/bluewhale/opt/sdk/share/bluewhale/pages/Login.qml:55 SilicaWebView is not a type | 20:20 |
| lbt | locusf: :D | 20:20 |
| locusf | lbt: what? :D | 20:21 |
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| jake9xx | ibins: sure let's try something | 20:22 |
| Superpelican_ | locusf:I think lbt likes your app name ;) | 20:22 |
| ibins | jake9xx: ok | 20:22 |
| locusf | blue whale, elephant of the sea :) | 20:22 |
| jake9xx | ibins: I'll make you a pastie | 20:23 |
| lbt | locusf: I went for a walk and saw your app was running | 20:23 |
| Superpelican_ | So I'm not the only one with a sea themed app name | 20:23 |
| locusf | ah | 20:23 |
| locusf | segfault .... | 20:23 |
| Superpelican_ | "Clamshell" | 20:23 |
| jjanvier | silly noob stupid question | 20:24 |
| jake9xx | ibins: can you find any vdi images under ~/SailfishOS ? | 20:24 |
| jjanvier | where can I configure the debugger for sailfishos in qt creator ?? | 20:24 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | jjanvier: isn't it autoconfigured ? | 20:25 |
| ibins | jake9xx: yes: mersdk/mer.vdi and emulator/sailfishos.vdi | 20:25 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | locusf: missing some import I guess | 20:25 |
| jake9xx | ibins: ok, bood | 20:25 |
| jake9xx | ibins: ok, good, pls stand by | 20:26 |
| ibins | jake9xx: Should i copy/paste the error message with hyphens? | 20:26 |
| Superpelican_ | lol, yro.slashdot.org/story/13/08/01/1915207/samsung-offered-stackoverflow-users-500-for-organic-publicity | 20:26 |
| lbt | I thought the vm names had spaces and needed quoting fwiw | 20:26 |
| jjanvier | Sfiet_Konstantin: no, when I try to launch the debug, I get "no debugger set up" | 20:27 |
| jake9xx | ibins: http://pastie.org/8197810 | 20:28 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | jake9xx: :/ | 20:28 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | let me try | 20:28 |
| jake9xx | lbt: that's Gentoo linux specific thing | 20:28 |
| lbt | jake9xx: ah | 20:28 |
| jake9xx | jjanvier: let me catch you on that, build type debug -> start debug? | 20:29 |
| Aard | Superpelican_: there's an mtf-compatible notification api for calling from c++, a dbus-api, and there should be bindings in nemo qml components | 20:30 |
| Aard | Superpelican_: basically it's just xdg notifications with some sugar coating | 20:30 |
| Superpelican_ | Nice to hear :) | 20:30 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | jake9xx: works here :/ | 20:31 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | better reinstall your SDK | 20:31 |
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| ibins | jake9xx: Hoorray! You are the best! Emulator vm modified correctly now! | 20:34 |
| jake9xx | ibins: hth, I'll put this to known issues | 20:34 |
| ibins | How comes this, that this would be "Gentoo specific"? | 20:35 |
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| jake9xx | ibins: that's a good question | 20:35 |
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| jake9xx | installer runs those exact commands on it | 20:35 |
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| jake9xx | and they are the same for all platforms | 20:35 |
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| ibins | hm. Could this be shell specific? | 20:37 |
| jake9xx | you're not on *ash ? | 20:38 |
| ibins | jake9xx: yes, I am | 20:38 |
| ibins | jake9xx: GNU bash 4.2.45 | 20:38 |
| jake9xx | that should be ok too | 20:39 |
| ibins | jake9xx: Thank you very much! Can I be more of assistance? | 20:39 |
| ibins | VBoxManage version is 4.1.26_Gentoo_r84997 | 20:40 |
| fk_lx | jake9xx: great job with SDK, I hope your head won't explode after so much work ;-) | 20:40 |
| jake9xx | fk_lx: here's the best part : my holidays start next week :) | 20:41 |
| fk_lx | jake9xx: yay! :-) | 20:41 |
| jake9xx | fk_lx: thanks :) | 20:41 |
| fk_lx | jake9xx: rest well then! | 20:41 |
| jjanvier | Sfiet_Konstantin: gdb was not installed ^^ everything is fine now | 20:42 |
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| lbt | jjanvier: for qml debugging zypper in qt5-qtdeclarative-plugin-qmlinspector on emulator | 20:42 |
| jake9xx | fk_lx: that's a roger :) | 20:42 |
| faenil_ | had to force-shutdown the laptop... | 20:42 |
| lbt | it should probably be there by default | 20:42 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil_: hello there | 20:43 |
| faenil_ | couldn't close the emulator | 20:43 |
| faenil_ | Sfiet_Konstantin, hey | 20:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | mister "I always have problems with the SDK" | 20:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :D | 20:43 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | you already got problems with the alpha 1 | 20:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | is the alpha 2 better for your computer ? | 20:43 |
| faenil_ | Sfiet_Konstantin, I say the problems I have, some other people just keep their mouth shut, and see Jolla failing when they ship a bugged product | 20:43 |
| jake9xx | guys | 20:46 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil_: come on ! | 20:46 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is ok :) | 20:46 |
| jake9xx | this is where the update scheme comes into place. Next update ist not months away, we're talking weeks | 20:46 |
| faenil_ | Sfiet_Konstantin, ;) | 20:46 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | just that I installed it and it works | 20:46 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but you are not lucky it seems | 20:46 |
| jake9xx | and the issues faenil_ has are somewhat known but reside in asset not controlled by jolla | 20:46 |
| nodevel | HeyAnyone havin | 20:47 |
| nodevel | ouch | 20:47 |
| nodevel | sry | 20:47 |
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| nodevel | Hey! Anyone having problem with running MerSDK? | 20:47 |
| jake9xx | computer hw, installed & running other program etc.. they all interfere | 20:47 |
| nodevel | hm hm. I didn't have any problem with the first SDK. I'll try again. | 20:49 |
| jake9xx | nodevel: what problems are you facing | 20:49 |
| faenil | good night people :) | 20:49 |
| faenil | I hope Jolla guys will rest a bit now :) | 20:49 |
| yunta | gn faenil , and thanks ! | 20:50 |
| faenil | np :) | 20:50 |
| w00t | jake9xx: weeks? days! c'mon ;) | 20:51 |
| nodevel | jake9xx: "failed to access perfctr msr". However, I tried again and waited ~10 more minutes and now it seems ok. thx for help, though | 20:51 |
| faenil | w00t, read that updated lipstick screwed Wayland Nemo? XD | 20:51 |
| w00t | faenil: go figure out why :) | 20:52 |
| nodevel | jake9xx: I should've had more patience :) | 20:52 |
| jake9xx | w00t: you know who to push :) | 20:52 |
| ibins | w00t: give him at least a week vacation! :-) | 20:52 |
| faenil | w00t, what about the guy who broke it goes and figures out why :P | 20:52 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: rest ? no :D | 20:54 |
| faenil | Sfiet_Konstantin, no rest! \o/ | 20:54 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 20:55 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | FYI: https://github.com/sailfishapps/ambiancechanger | 20:55 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 20:55 |
| fk_lx | Sfiet_Konstantin: it does not counts if you are an intern there, you have faster access to SDK :-P | 20:56 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | fk_lx: nope | 20:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I did the port today | 20:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | like 5 min ago | 20:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | look at the diff, it is easy :) | 20:57 |
| fk_lx | will check | 20:58 |
| fk_lx | lbt: ok, so I've been able to compile example project in new SDK with success, installation went completely smoothly in my case, no problems so far | 20:59 |
| lbt | nice | 20:59 |
| fk_lx | running fresh Fedora 19 | 20:59 |
| fk_lx | lbt: migrated from Ubuntu today in the morning, as the next version of it will go Mir, which I don't plan to use ;-) | 21:00 |
| lbt | yeah | 21:01 |
| * lbt shakes head | 21:01 | |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | fk_lx: :) | 21:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | welcome in fedora | 21:02 |
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| fk_lx | anyway SDK works for me, but I will test it more during the weekend, very tired now after a very busy day | 21:02 |
| * lbt knows the feelin | 21:02 | |
| lbt | g | 21:02 |
| fk_lx | lbt: ;-) | 21:03 |
| jake9xx | +1 | 21:03 |
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| fk_lx | lbt with jake9xx on the outpost even now, answering questions regarding SDK | 21:04 |
| fk_lx | :-) | 21:04 |
| jake9xx | on the "what could go wrong" items.. so I was doing the releases for this sdk and my work laptop's said poof this monday | 21:04 |
| * fk_lx bows showing his big respect | 21:04 | |
| lbt | jake9xx: did I mention that the batteries in my UPS literally melted and won't come out | 21:05 |
| fk_lx | hehe | 21:05 |
| jake9xx | lbt: yes | 21:05 |
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| jake9xx | lbt: I was sometimes looking at you just disconnected in the middle of sentence in irc due to lightning | 21:05 |
| lbt | yeah - not fun | 21:06 |
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| lbt | we were out 7hrs | 21:06 |
| jake9xx | makes you respect ultrabook's batteries ;) | 21:07 |
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| w00t | i now feel like a bad person for really (really really) enjoying thunderstorms | 21:07 |
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| jake9xx | w00t: +1 | 21:07 |
| yunta | I do enjoy them too. Are kind of fun to photograph. | 21:07 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | w00t: thunderstorms are awesome | 21:07 |
| jake9xx | I just love it when it's above my head | 21:07 |
| jake9xx | once saw when lightning stroke a small telephone mast | 21:08 |
| lbt | I like trying to photograph lightning | 21:08 |
| lbt | but not using a long delay - just 1/60th | 21:09 |
| jjanvier | hmmm... "Keypad is not a type" | 21:10 |
| yunta | lbt: you may enjoy connecting your raspi to camera (or flash) | 21:10 |
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| Morpog_PC | btw lbt, emulator VM still enables my usb webcam :) | 21:15 |
| lbt | Morpog_PC: we really need to do passthru to mimic the device camera | 21:16 |
| Morpog_PC | that would be great | 21:17 |
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| Superpelican_ | jjanvier:Do the Silica components now have a seperate keypad? | 21:24 |
| Superpelican_ | would be awesome | 21:24 |
| Superpelican_ | my app is all about entering numers :) | 21:25 |
| special | Superpelican_: yes | 21:25 |
| Superpelican_ | :) | 21:25 |
| Superpelican_ | I hoped for it | 21:25 |
| jjanvier | Superpelican_: according to the doc, it seems to be https://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/qml-sailfishsilica-keypad.html | 21:26 |
| special | you can use that if you want a fullscreen keypad component, like dialing phone numbers.. | 21:26 |
| special | there is also a numeric keyboard | 21:26 |
| Superpelican_ | oh | 21:27 |
| jjanvier | is the doc up to date ? | 21:27 |
| Superpelican_ | I'd prefer a numeric keyboard :) | 21:27 |
| Superpelican_ | jjanvier:yes | 21:27 |
| Superpelican_ | the whole doc area was updated just after the SDK release | 21:28 |
| special | Superpelican_: http://doc-snapshot.qt-project.org/qt5-stable/qtcore/qt.html#InputMethodHint-enum | 21:28 |
| Superpelican_ | when I checked it this morning everything was still Qt4.8 etc | 21:28 |
| special | TextField { inputMethodHints: Qt.ImhDialableCharactersOnly } or one of the similar options should get you a numeric keyboard. | 21:29 |
| Superpelican_ | special:But is that also for Silica? | 21:29 |
| special | Silica's TextField supports all the API of QML TextInput, yes | 21:29 |
| Superpelican_ | I have IntValidator already at least | 21:29 |
| Superpelican_ | that's nice | 21:29 |
| Superpelican_ | so there's still some sort of compatibility between QML components and the Silica ones? | 21:30 |
| special | well, silica (like all the other Qt component sets, excluding insanity like bb10 cascades) is building on the standard set of QML items | 21:31 |
| special | Label is a Text; TextField is a TextInput; TextArea is a TextEdit; and so on | 21:31 |
| Superpelican_ | that makes sense :) | 21:32 |
| Superpelican_ | Didn't Cascades was much more custom than Silica BTW | 21:32 |
| Superpelican_ | BTW is there any update on compatibility with the Ubuntu for Phones components? | 21:33 |
| Superpelican_ | Or has that stalled already? | 21:33 |
| jake9xx | let's say we talk with them now and then | 21:35 |
| special | personally, I would expect it to be relatively easy to port between any two sets of QtQuick components, but direct compatibility isn't feasible | 21:35 |
| special | the talk going on in Qt about selectors (see http://qt-project.org/groups/qt-contributors-summit-2013/wiki/Adaptive-UI) is a big part of that | 21:36 |
| Superpelican_ | Well actually I don't really care about being able to port a Sailfish app to Ubuntu or vice versa | 21:36 |
| Superpelican_ | But I was just curious | 21:36 |
| Superpelican_ | A while a go it there was a lot of news about it | 21:37 |
| Superpelican_ | And I haven't heard anything about it recently | 21:37 |
| Superpelican_ | I'm not planning on supporting Ubuntu for Phones | 21:38 |
| jake9xx | we can of course help ubuntu developers to port their stuff to Silica :) | 21:38 |
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| Superpelican_ | lol | 21:38 |
| Superpelican_ | I haven't ran Ubuntu for a long long time | 21:39 |
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| Superpelican_ | And I don't like the direction they've taken recently either | 21:39 |
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| Superpelican_ | honestly I don't know if Mir is truly better than Wayland as they claim | 21:40 |
| Superpelican_ | but if everyone is satisfied with Wayland it can't be that bad | 21:41 |
| Superpelican_ | And they're fragmenting the FOSS landscape | 21:41 |
| Superpelican_ | Wayland seems good enough to me | 21:41 |
| jake9xx | plus when you have guys who went extra mile with X11 to make it work doing Wayland it's not going to repeat X11's errors | 21:42 |
| Superpelican_ | Well, I have to leave now | 21:43 |
| Superpelican_ | So until tomorrow ;) | 21:43 |
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| Superpelican_ | hmm | 21:43 |
| Superpelican_ | that sounds pretty badly translated from dutch | 21:44 |
| Superpelican_ | nvm Goodbye | 21:44 |
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| jjanvier | another silly question | 22:10 |
| jjanvier | if I want to store data that has been input by the user | 22:11 |
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| jjanvier | where should I look in the doc ? | 22:11 |
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