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| GentSir | Morpog_Mobile, hey professor | 02:55 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Lol | 02:55 |
| GentSir | Still find that funny? | 02:55 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Yap | 02:55 |
| GentSir | It's a shame nobody can make mistakes about me | 02:56 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Last 3 hours i tried to draw a cute fox in inkscape | 02:56 |
| GentSir | A vector fox? | 02:57 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Those were the most disgustinf foxes u can imagine :-) | 02:57 |
| GentSir | I have zero artistic talent | 02:57 |
| GentSir | I can barely design a webpage | 02:57 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Yap for an app icon | 02:57 |
| covox | what's the app? | 02:57 |
| GentSir | I know lots of girls from high school that are great artists, I'd ask one of them if I needed some original work | 02:58 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Qmlmozbrowser | 02:58 |
| Morpog_Mobile | I just sux with vector graphics | 02:59 |
| GentSir | Us programmers aren't a very artsy bunch to begin with | 02:59 |
| GentSir | No offense to those of you that are good artists | 03:02 |
| iekku | :D | 03:16 |
| iekku | being developer or being artist is in one way similar: both needs to have creative thinking | 03:17 |
| iekku | it's just bit different kind of :P | 03:17 |
| GentSir | Yes, I just can barely draw a stick figure :p | 03:18 |
| iekku | i think i know only one good developer who is also artistic person | 03:20 |
| covox | O+-< | 03:21 |
| iekku | he is ui development chief in jolla :) | 03:22 |
| GentSir | I believe those two skills just rarely manifest in the same person, they're almost polar opposites. | 03:22 |
| lpotter | define 'artistic' | 03:23 |
| covox | this is why most geniuses are insane | 03:23 |
| iekku | lpotter, person who can make visual art i like :P | 03:23 |
| GentSir | lpotter, I'm talking about the drawing/visual creativity | 03:23 |
| lpotter | ahh ok | 03:24 |
| covox | what about music | 03:24 |
| iekku | i think being musical talent and developer is more common | 03:24 |
| covox | or interpretive dance | 03:24 |
| iekku | covox, about dancing you need to ask lbt, he does tango | 03:25 |
| covox | I reckon there'd be a much better crossover of talented developers who can pull some interpretive dance | 03:25 |
| GentSir | I'm not very creative at all, just very logical and design oriented. Very good with math and related stuff, but I just can't do anything artistic. | 03:25 |
| * iekku has ad background | 03:25 | |
| iekku | and i have been in art school | 03:26 |
| iekku | but i'm definately not a developer | 03:26 |
| iekku | even i was almost forced to be one | 03:26 |
| covox | the horror | 03:26 |
| iekku | when i started as a test engineer trainee i had to do same development practises than newbies in that company, and my group manager tried to get me to be a developer as i finished my tasks fast and wrote nice code | 03:28 |
| iekku | if you can say that symbian is nice | 03:29 |
| GentSir | iekku, I can say the E72 is nice | 03:30 |
| covox | iekku: that sounds genuinely frightening | 03:30 |
| iekku | covox, many people think i'm frightening :P | 03:30 |
| GentSir | Women in the tech industry are frequently intimidating for many guys | 03:31 |
| iekku | GentSir, i speak in general. usually if i met new people they don't even think i have job :P | 03:31 |
| covox | there are few things more intimidating than the idea of fulltime symbian development | 03:32 |
| GentSir | So you look like an actual art school graduate iekku? | 03:32 |
| covox | though fulltime objective C development comes close | 03:32 |
| iekku | GentSir, no, i look like a old punk | 03:32 |
| iekku | covox, hope i didn't give you nightmares :) | 03:33 |
| GentSir | Haha, sounds like a good image for someone working PR for a startup | 03:33 |
| covox | iekku: I'll be sure to send jolla the therapy bill | 03:34 |
| covox | :P plenty of other stuff to lose sleep over right now | 03:36 |
| iekku | GentSir, http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/563542_10151268764100686_2053135883_n.jpg :P | 03:40 |
| * iekku is the one with purple hair | 03:41 | |
| GentSir | Looks like typical fins | 03:41 |
| iekku | yeah, there was lot of them in mwc :P | 03:41 |
| GentSir | I look like a stereotypical american: http://i.imgur.com/Q3sWzOa.jpg | 03:42 |
| GentSir | Loud, badly educated, obnoxious in a foreign country, and generally bad mannered | 03:43 |
| iekku | there's actually one other sailor ( cybette in the left ) then there's couple of bloggers and myriam | 03:43 |
| iekku | GentSir, you could be easily finn | 03:43 |
| GentSir | Mostly scandanavian and a tinge of scottish. But us americans are all ethnic mutts | 03:44 |
| GentSir | If anything, I'll have to head to the next mwc for the freshest Jolla gossip | 03:46 |
| iekku | :D | 03:47 |
| iekku | it's a huge circus | 03:47 |
| covox | I don't have any photos, so you'll just have to imagine an australian with a coiff and superfly-style muttonchops who hasn't shaven (or slept) for a couple of days | 03:47 |
| iekku | unfortunately i didn't have any time to go around in mwc | 03:48 |
| GentSir | covox, sounds like you'd fit in | 03:48 |
| iekku | or it was good for jolla, but i hope next time i go there i would have a bit time | 03:49 |
| covox | GentSir: sif | 03:49 |
| GentSir | Every event I've been to since high school I was either on management or speaking | 03:49 |
| iekku | i think this is most famous picture of me: http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/555065_10150989547793051_2016061341_n.jpg | 03:51 |
| iekku | GentSir, that's how it usually goes | 03:52 |
| GentSir | A spiked leather jacket? Oh lord | 03:52 |
| iekku | GentSir, with a punk snoopy on the back and my political statement written | 03:53 |
| iekku | "open source" | 03:53 |
| iekku | :P | 03:53 |
| GentSir | I'm only nineteen, but I went to a business voc school for two years while doing community college. We had to run a lot of events, and I found most of my peers to be inept. So I took on a lot of responsibility | 03:53 |
| GentSir | Just now getting around to University this fall, but voc school was excellent and worth the delay | 03:53 |
| iekku | i assume it will pay back later | 03:55 |
| iekku | + you had one year more to think what you want to study | 03:56 |
| GentSir | I'm certainly going to a Computer Sciences or Computer Engineering degree | 03:56 |
| GentSir | Nice high level math and logic for me, very soothing | 03:56 |
| iekku | :) | 03:57 |
| GentSir | Don't know how familiar you are with the states, but I'm probably going to Michigan Tech. Situated at the top of the upper peninsula of Michigan. It's like its own Nordic country. | 03:58 |
| iekku | have been in states only once at meego conference (SF 2011) | 03:59 |
| GentSir | Here's the area it's in: https://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-8&client=iceweasel-a&q=houghton+county+michigan&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x4d513b64feb9f34d:0x272b5d7bedba6e58,Houghton+County,+MI&gl=us&ei=0VdaUb-iM4qC8ASE04BI&ved=0CIsBELYD | 04:00 |
| iekku | i think lots of nordic people moved to michigan area ages ago? | 04:00 |
| GentSir | Very remote and sparsely population | 04:00 |
| GentSir | *populated | 04:01 |
| GentSir | Would not surprise me, northern michigan is very similar to Iceland | 04:01 |
| iekku | what you call that area? great lakes? | 04:01 |
| GentSir | Yes | 04:01 |
| iekku | :nod: | 04:01 |
| GentSir | That's the upper section of Michigan | 04:02 |
| GentSir | I grew up down in the lower section, down in the same county flint is in on the map | 04:02 |
| iekku | i don't remember anymore what document i was watching but there was something really familiar in the nature and i got confused :P | 04:02 |
| GentSir | I'm actually currently residing way down south in Florida, much too hot for me | 04:02 |
| * lpotter lived in the UP/ marquette for a few years | 04:03 | |
| iekku | lpotter, and now you are without snow | 04:03 |
| lpotter | one of the years that Lake Superiour froze over | 04:03 |
| GentSir | lpotter, you familiar with Michigan Tech? | 04:03 |
| lpotter | iekku: yes :( | 04:03 |
| GentSir | I know it's a huge employer up there | 04:03 |
| lpotter | GentSir: not really | 04:04 |
| iekku | lpotter, should i send you some :P | 04:04 |
| lpotter | ok. my kids would love that | 04:04 |
| GentSir | I'm well used to the cold, though I heard the UP just gets a lot more snow | 04:04 |
| GentSir | I can deal with that though, I know how to drive on ice | 04:04 |
| lpotter | ya, that lake effect snow is awesome sometimes | 04:04 |
| covox | lpotter: make your own! just crank your freezer up to the maximum setting | 04:05 |
| GentSir | I wish I could live in my freezer here | 04:05 |
| iekku | i just realized i hate spring.. it's -10 c now and in day ot's going to be +3 and it's icy and slippery and wet | 04:06 |
| GentSir | It was 27C out today | 04:06 |
| iekku | ot's ??? it's | 04:06 |
| covox | it's only 31C here, it's fantastic | 04:07 |
| covox | most of the last two months were pushing 38 | 04:07 |
| GentSir | covox, too hot | 04:08 |
| lpotter | two words: a. c. :) | 04:08 |
| GentSir | lpotter, amen | 04:08 |
| iekku | lpotter, http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/306026_10151416766658051_1713950268_n.jpg <- i spent 4,5h outdoors yesterday, here's picture of one place i visited | 04:11 |
| lpotter | nice | 04:11 |
| GentSir | Oh I can't wait to get back to the cold | 04:12 |
| iekku | lpotter, about +3 and sunny, no wind | 04:16 |
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| situ | Morning | 04:57 |
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| niqt | morning | 07:05 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | hello everybody ! | 08:39 |
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| chriadam | Sfiet_Konstantin: good evening | 08:42 |
| Yaniel | or morning | 08:42 |
| Yaniel | well, it is noon here | 08:43 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | not for chriadam | 08:44 |
| lbt | morning | 08:44 |
| chriadam | in irc-land, I think it's usually morning, no matter how dark it is outside for me ;-) | 08:46 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :D | 08:47 |
| w00t | UGT says so ;) | 08:47 |
| Yaniel | :D | 08:48 |
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| sledges | happy afterholidays! :) | 09:30 |
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| GentSir | iekku, you were right about the Finns and Michigan: http://i.imgur.com/ktSzS.jpg | 11:28 |
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| tj____ | many finnish communists migrated to michigan in 1910's and 20's.. and many moved to the newly established ussr.. eventually, they'd become comrades within the same utopian worker's state after the world revolution they were dreaming of.. of course it didn't quite work like that.. by end of the 30's, the people who choose the east were murdered during stalin's purges.. | 11:41 |
| GentSir | tj____, I did not know that | 11:43 |
| GentSir | I grew up in southern Michigan and have only been away for a few months, we don't hear too much about the UP. It's almost its own state. | 11:43 |
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| rcg | sledges, happy "afterholidays" as well :) | 12:28 |
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| sledges | :) feeling good rcg ? | 12:29 |
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| rcg | weather is getting better finally, so yeah, feeling better :) | 12:35 |
| rcg | also anticipated birth date of our son is coming closer, so things are getting more exciting ;) | 12:35 |
| rcg | what about you? | 12:35 |
| GentSir | What is this afterholiday you speak of? | 12:35 |
| rcg | i think he refers to the days after the holidays? :) | 12:36 |
| GentSir | So, the days you pretend it's still the holidays but it's not the holidays? That sounds brilliant | 12:38 |
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| iekku | GentSir, i'm interested in history.. | 13:49 |
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| GentSir | iekku, history was one of my favorite subjects. Always had awful teachers though. You'd be amazed at what US History books leave out | 15:01 |
| iekku | GentSir, we finns have also some parts left out from books... | 15:03 |
| GentSir | I asked a teacher about the japanese "interment camps" during WWII and why they weren't in the book or mentioned in any clas | 15:04 |
| GentSir | class | 15:04 |
| GentSir | She said "Shhh, we don't talk about that" | 15:04 |
| iekku | well, in finland germans just burned lappland, no mention about finns being working together with germany at start of the war | 15:06 |
| GentSir | I did not know that | 15:07 |
| iekku | beginning of the war | 15:07 |
| iekku | i think it was 1942 when finns decided to change side | 15:07 |
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| GentSir | Don't worry, I can read past English grammar errors with ease :) | 15:07 |
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| GentSir | We don't learn much of WWII before the Pearl Harbor attack | 15:08 |
| iekku | it started there, didn't it :P | 15:08 |
| GentSir | Most people my age don't WANT to learn, so omitting stuff from history is very easy... | 15:08 |
| iekku | it's easier to understand current if you know past | 15:09 |
| iekku | in finland it helps also if one knows something about church history | 15:09 |
| GentSir | Exactly, past events give perspective to current ones | 15:09 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | iekku, GentSir reminds me of the theme of our philosophy course in L2 | 15:11 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | iekku: o/ | 15:11 |
| GentSir | Sfiet_Konstantin, what was the theme? | 15:11 |
| iekku | Sfiet_Konstantin, ahoy there cub | 15:11 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | "penser l'histoire" | 15:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | "thinking history" | 15:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | there were a book by Marx | 15:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | supporting the thesis that History repeats itself | 15:13 |
| GentSir | Sfiet_Konstantin, We don't like Marx here :) | 15:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but first as a great tragedy | 15:13 |
| GentSir | This is 'Murica | 15:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but then as a comedy | 15:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: :D yeah | 15:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but Marx got some nice ideas about history | 15:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (let's put communism aside for a minute) | 15:13 |
| GentSir | I'll try :) | 15:14 |
| iekku | politics and religion can stay away anyway | 15:14 |
| GentSir | Sfiet_Konstantin, http://i.imgur.com/OHtrSLc.jpg | 15:17 |
| GentSir | Scratch that Sfiet_Konstantin, this isn' political: http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/4/16/129159115177195926.jpg | 15:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: if you say so :D | 15:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :D | 15:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I don't care about french army | 15:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but funnily, you in america thinks that french are bad at war | 15:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | true, we lost WW2 | 15:18 |
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| GentSir | But they saved our arse back in the day? | 15:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | no | 15:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | well, you have the most power army in the world | 15:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | no need to save your arse :D | 15:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I mean, french army is ok | 15:19 |
| GentSir | The French supplied the colonies during our revolutionary war | 15:19 |
| iekku | boys boys | 15:19 |
| GentSir | iekku, boys love war | 15:19 |
| GentSir | Always will | 15:19 |
| iekku | GentSir, not all | 15:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | well, my favourite is about mobile OS :O | 15:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | well, actually I'm not in this war anymore | 15:20 |
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| GentSir | Sfiet_Konstantin, as long as we can bash iOS mobile wars are cool | 15:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: not true | 15:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is not about bashing something | 15:20 |
| GentSir | I kid | 15:21 |
| iekku | competition (health one) gives more space to innovations | 15:21 |
| GentSir | Yes, and the mobile space needs competition | 15:21 |
| GentSir | That's hard here in the states though | 15:21 |
| iekku | it's not so easy for foreign companies to come to states to make competition | 15:22 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: get your sailfish device, and show them to hardcore iOS / Android fan | 15:22 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I would love to see how they react :) | 15:22 |
| iekku | :) | 15:22 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | it reminds me about something I blogged before Jolla launched | 15:23 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | innovation in mobile space now is about efficiency and intuitivity | 15:23 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | something iOS and Android forgot to take in account | 15:24 |
| GentSir | Sfiet_Konstantin, I plan to get one | 15:25 |
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| GentSir | But most people here get a phone through their carrier, and don't even realize it's possible to outright buy their own devices. So really the only way to release a phone here is with carrier backing | 15:25 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | yeah | 15:26 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | carriers | 15:26 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | something pretty touc | 15:26 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | tough | 15:27 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | especially for small new players | 15:27 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I'm more concerned about how china will react to Sailfish though | 15:27 |
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| xmlich02 | Hi guys, I am looking for someone who is able to arrange an talk about SailfishOS on our Openmobility conference in Bratislava this weekend. One of speakers canceled it. lbt, vgrade, zchydem, Stskeeps? | 15:40 |
| iekku | this weekend? huh | 15:41 |
| aard | all expenses paid? :p | 15:41 |
| iekku | xmlich02, out of curiosity, who was about to talk? | 15:42 |
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| iekku | aard, you know, there needs to be talk, not only writing to irc :P | 15:42 |
| * aard can do talks | 15:43 | |
| Stskeeps | xmlich02: not an option for me, sorry | 15:43 |
| Stskeeps | xmlich02: wife would kill me after me being gone for a week to HK | 15:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:43 |
| iekku | Stskeeps, if we only had that working cloning machine | 15:43 |
| xmlich02 | iekku, We are looking for someone instead of thp . | 15:44 |
| iekku | xmlich02, ok | 15:45 |
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| xmlich02 | In case, anyone else interested. The webpage of conference is http://www.openmobility.eu/ | 15:56 |
| lbt | xmlich02: hey, we discussed a while back and I can't make it | 15:58 |
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| sledges | I was in Czech Rep this time last year, but not this year, shame.. | 16:11 |
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| morpog | Sfiet_Konstantin, new qmlmozbrowser build available for your tablet ;) | 16:26 |
| morpog | http://t.co/BS9yjypEJB | 16:27 |
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| sledges | Morpog_PC, amazing job, just launched it on nemo on panda | 16:47 |
| Morpog_PC | not by me, I just created some artwork for it. romaxa, coderus, qwazis and freemongardon are doing the coding work | 16:48 |
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| Morpog_PC | but yeah, it works quite well :-) | 16:49 |
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| Morpog_PC | oh and rozhkov did the mer builds | 16:52 |
| sledges | rozhkov_, on pandaboard armv7hl qmlmozbrowser user-agent indicates it's armv7l build, just saying :) great work \o/ | 16:54 |
| sledges | nice to hear qwazix has been up for it Morpog_PC ;) | 16:55 |
| Morpog_PC | i probably forgot to mention some other comitters :) | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | meh, i was doing gecko on meego when you guys were in your diapers | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:57 |
| Morpog_PC | :) You must be working on Gecko then way long before Netscape did open source it :-) | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | i got fennec to work for meego 1.2 handset release | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | or 1.1, i forget | 16:58 |
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| sledges | fennec (or fennek) is a bad word in Hungarian | 17:01 |
| sledges | *fenek | 17:01 |
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| GentSir | Sfiet_Konstantin, http://i.imgur.com/G2oW35m.jpg | 18:09 |
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| vgrade | Morpog_PC: moz working well on Exopc | 19:02 |
| Morpog_PC | :-( | 19:08 |
| Morpog_PC | why? | 19:08 |
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| Morpog_PC | lol, i did read "not well" | 19:09 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | thanks Morpog_PC | 19:56 |
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