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| situ | Morning | 04:10 |
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| lbt | MFaro-Tusino: got some notes on Sailfish on OBS | 09:09 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Great! | 09:09 |
| Yaniel | yay | 09:09 |
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| lbt | https://sailfishos.org/wiki/Mer_OBS | 09:28 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | *thanks lbt* | 09:33 |
| lbt | additional text welcome | 09:33 |
| lbt | the first three points should link to some merproject OBS pages I think | 09:34 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | Do you think in the Gold SDK we will have a build option like Harmattan that produced a local package? | 09:38 |
| MFaro-Tusino | That way we can theoretically uploaded the installer to Sailfish app store instead of using OBS, then saving it, then uploading it | 09:39 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Not much more effort, but would be nice if QtC could do the packaging for us | 09:39 |
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| dm8tbr | MFaro-Tusino: I believe that's what the SDK does already, isn't it? | 09:56 |
| MFaro-Tusino | well I tried to do the "Install as RPM" but I just get errors | 09:56 |
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| lbt | MFaro-Tusino: oh, it's practically done already - don't forget that the SDK is being developed in open git | 09:58 |
| lbt | we just didn't have time to finish it for alpha | 09:59 |
| dm8tbr | :) | 09:59 |
| MFaro-Tusino | woooo! | 09:59 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Jolla is making me happier each day | 09:59 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | ALways one step ahead of me (or listening to our concerns and adjusting) | 10:00 |
| lbt | so we're using this 'spectacle' idea from MeeGo | 10:00 |
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| lbt | it takes most of the stuff you need in a spec and puts it in yaml | 10:00 |
| lbt | this makes it easier to manage inside QtC and yet gives power users lots of control over the spec file | 10:01 |
| dm8tbr | lbt: is this yaml→spec stuff documented somewhere? I was wondering if it would help me with some cross-distro-packaging I'm doing on OBS. | 10:01 |
| dm8tbr | currently I maintain a deb part and a heavily ifdef'd spec file | 10:02 |
| lbt | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Spectacle | 10:02 |
| dm8tbr | thanks | 10:02 |
| lbt | I suspect not | 10:02 |
| lbt | one thing spectacle does badly is ifdef | 10:03 |
| dm8tbr | I do remember seeing a talk at meego-summit in tampere about that and I think the guy talked about 'can produce packages for all distros' | 10:03 |
| lbt | mmm | 10:04 |
| dm8tbr | would need to check | 10:04 |
| dm8tbr | I think I _may_ have some recordings from that summit | 10:04 |
| lbt | since it's yaml there is no conditional capability *at all* | 10:04 |
| Stskeeps | home:lbt? | 10:04 |
| * lbt is at home | 10:05 | |
| Stskeeps | on wiki on sailfish obs | 10:05 |
| dm8tbr | carsten meant the last line | 10:05 |
| lbt | :) oops | 10:05 |
| lbt | fixed | 10:06 |
| lbt | we need some mer wiki pages for the bullets - but I'm doing gitlab/RoR today | 10:07 |
| lbt | and puppet :/ | 10:07 |
| dm8tbr | It builds, let's ship it! (my cross-distro packaging) | 10:09 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | back | 10:18 |
| MFaro-Tusino | LBT: Anyway I can get the updated QtC now? or just be patient? | 10:18 |
| lbt | MFaro-Tusino: are you OK building it from git? | 10:19 |
| MFaro-Tusino | i undertsand git relatively well | 10:19 |
| * dm8tbr is impressed, looks like the package now builds on 20/21 distros | 10:19 | |
| dm8tbr | I'd add mer/nemo/sailfish, but somehow I doubt a mobile device needs a multimedia streaming _server_ | 10:20 |
| lbt | MFaro-Tusino: sec | 10:21 |
| lbt | dm8tbr: Mer is for mmedia servers too | 10:21 |
| lbt | blurry line | 10:21 |
| lbt | MFaro-Tusino: https://sailfishos.org/wiki/Build_your_own_copy_of_QtCreator | 10:22 |
| lbt | need to check if that's the active git repo though | 10:22 |
| lbt | we did some moving around | 10:22 |
| MFaro-Tusino | okay no worries | 10:23 |
| MFaro-Tusino | where should I cd to before I git ? just /usr/share/applications? | 10:23 |
| dm8tbr | lbt: mhm, my thoughts currently go more into the direction of building a client app for our streaming directory though | 10:25 |
| dm8tbr | http://dir.xiph.org | 10:25 |
| dm8tbr | could at the same time serve as reference implementation and experimentation ground | 10:28 |
| lbt | MFaro-Tusino: ~/src | 10:28 |
| MFaro-Tusino | so is it the right git package? | 10:29 |
| lbt | yes it is | 10:30 |
| MFaro-Tusino | okay cool | 10:30 |
| MFaro-Tusino | building now | 10:30 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | man it takes ages after you do the qmake command | 10:53 |
| MFaro-Tusino | haha | 10:53 |
| lbt | do you have multi-core? | 11:01 |
| MFaro-Tusino | yeah | 11:02 |
| lbt | if you have 4-core do : make -j 4 && bin/qtcreator | 11:02 |
| MFaro-Tusino | its on a MBP | 11:02 |
| lbt | so it's probably worth ^C and rerun | 11:03 |
| MFaro-Tusino | i think so | 11:03 |
| MFaro-Tusino | so just get rid of the qmake part? | 11:04 |
| lbt | once it's run, yes | 11:05 |
| MFaro-Tusino | I saw blackberrycreatepackage in the output | 11:08 |
| MFaro-Tusino | does that mean we can build for bb10 too? | 11:08 |
| MFaro-Tusino | yay! QtC just ran on its own | 11:11 |
| MFaro-Tusino | i assume its all done now | 11:11 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Thanks for the help lbt | 11:11 |
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| lbt | MFaro-Tusino: yep - enjoy | 11:15 |
| lbt | MFaro-Tusino: notice that is the *Mer* QtCreator - very similar to SailfishOS but not quite the same | 11:16 |
| MFaro-Tusino | yeah, i saw already | 11:16 |
| lbt | in particular help/examples/branding | 11:16 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Deployment will still work the same right? | 11:16 |
| lbt | yes, functionally should be very similar | 11:17 |
| MFaro-Tusino | cool :D | 11:17 |
| lbt | bug reports to mer bugzilla in MINT/SDK area | 11:17 |
| lbt | Mer INtegration Tools | 11:18 |
| MFaro-Tusino | will do my best to find whats a bug and not whats my n00b error :p | 11:28 |
| lbt | yep - feel free to verify in here before reporting | 11:29 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | I've had this issue before | 11:34 |
| MFaro-Tusino | How can I fix it | 11:34 |
| MFaro-Tusino | 22:34:26: Upload of file '/home/michael/wordpress-viewer/wordpress-viewer/wordpress-viewer' failed. The server said: 'Permission denied'. | 11:34 |
| MFaro-Tusino | 22:34:26: Deploy step failed. | 11:34 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Error while building/deploying project wordpress-viewer (kit: MerSDK-SailfishOS-i486-x86) | 11:34 |
| MFaro-Tusino | When executing step 'Upload files via SFTP' | 11:34 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | nvm, solved it | 11:49 |
| MFaro-Tusino | added CONFIG+=sdk into build arguments | 11:49 |
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| ganzuul | bbl! | 12:26 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | gonna get an early night, cya guys :) enjoy your day/night | 12:40 |
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| darshak | Hi all! | 14:33 |
| valdur55 | i | 14:35 |
| valdur55 | Hi | 14:35 |
| darshak | Anyone started development? I'm stuck somewhere. I mean, I can't build. | 14:37 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | darshak: what cannot be built ? | 14:41 |
| darshak | I just downloaded the SDK, runs fine. But the example app doesn't build because the vm isn't running. | 14:42 |
| darshak | Kernel driver not installed (rc=-1908) | 14:42 |
| darshak | The VirtualBox Linux kernel driver (vboxdrv) is either not loaded or there is a permission problem with /dev/vboxdrv. Please reinstall the kernel module by executing | 14:42 |
| darshak | '/etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup' | 14:42 |
| darshak | as root. If it is available in your distribution, you should install the DKMS package first. This package keeps track of Linux kernel changes and recompiles the vboxdrv kernel module if necessary. | 14:42 |
| darshak | This is the error I get. | 14:42 |
| darshak | Now I'm a frontend guy who doesn't understand the internals of GNU/Linux. | 14:43 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | darshak: which Linux distro you are uusing ? | 14:43 |
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| darshak | Trisquel. It's based on Ubuntu Precise. | 14:44 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | darshak: sudo apt-get install dpkg-virtualbox ? | 14:45 |
| darshak | Lemme try that... | 14:45 |
| darshak | Package not found! | 14:46 |
| darshak | Weird. | 14:46 |
| darshak | Sfiet_Konstantin: Could it be because Trisquel uses modified Ubuntu repos? | 14:48 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | no | 14:48 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | well, I don't know ubuntu at all you know | 14:48 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | open the sw store | 14:48 |
| darshak | Oh | 14:48 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | or synaptics | 14:48 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | search for virtualbox | 14:48 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | because you need a kernel "module" to run virtualbox | 14:48 |
| darshak | Sfiet_Konstantin: There's this package called virtualbox-dkms, and its description says, "virtualization solution - kernel module sources for dkms". And it's installed already. | 14:51 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | reboot | 14:51 |
| darshak | Sure. I'll be back in a min. | 14:52 |
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| darshak | Sfiet_Konstantin: There! Nothing happened. | 14:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | darshak: when you run VirtualBox in a terminal what happened ? | 14:57 |
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| darshak | "Failed to open a session for the virtual machine MerSDK. | 15:00 |
| darshak | The virtual machine 'MerSDK' has terminated unexpectedly during startup with exit code 1. | 15:00 |
| darshak | Result Code: NS_ERROR_FAILURE (0x80004005) | 15:00 |
| darshak | Component: Machine | 15:00 |
| darshak | Interface: IMachine {5eaa9319-62fc-4b0a-843c-0cb1940f8a91} | 15:00 |
| darshak | " | 15:00 |
| darshak | That's when I try to turn on the vm | 15:00 |
| darshak | The same thing happens with the other vm: Sailfish Emulator. | 15:01 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | darshak: just run the command "VirtualBox" | 15:02 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | inside the terminal | 15:02 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | give me the outputs | 15:02 |
| darshak | There's a warning and an error: | 15:03 |
| darshak | WARNING: The character device /dev/vboxdrv does not exist. | 15:03 |
| darshak | Please install the virtualbox-ose-dkms package and the appropriate | 15:03 |
| darshak | headers, most likely linux-headers-generic. | 15:03 |
| darshak | You will not be able to start VMs until this problem is fixed. | 15:03 |
| darshak | Error opening file for reading: Permission denied | 15:03 |
| darshak | Ok so I'll install that package it says | 15:03 |
| darshak | This is gonna take a few minutes; I'm on a slow 20 KB/s connection. But seems like this will work... | 15:07 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | darshak: good luck | 15:09 |
| darshak | thanks! :) | 15:11 |
| darshak | 60% through it... | 15:14 |
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| darshak | Updated the kernel headers, (whatever that means); rebooting again... | 15:23 |
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| darshak | Sfiet_Konstantin: :( | 15:37 |
| darshak | Anyway, I'm going for dinner. Thanks for your time and help. I'll try a full upgrade. Goodbye for now! :) | 15:38 |
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| miksuh | does anyone know if the light weight Qt Simulator will be part of the Sailfish SDK someday? I use Qt Simulator daily when developing QML apps for the Symbian and It works wery well. | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | perhaps, but did you try our current emulator? | 18:23 |
| miksuh | Is it really nesessary to run heavy Sailfish emulator on virtual machine? | 18:23 |
| miksuh | wouldn't Qt Simulator be just enough in most cases? | 18:24 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not so sure, in practice the emulator is actually damn fast :P | 18:24 |
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| miksuh | simulator also lets you easily set many things like location, network status and much much more | 18:26 |
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| miksuh | In my opinion it would be an good idea to get it to sailfish, if it is not owned by nokia | 18:26 |
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| miksuh | +location, sensors, network, type and status cell id, contacts, calendar, nfc etc etc etc | 18:36 |
| miksuh | all of those stuff can be tested using the Qt simulator wasily | 18:37 |
| miksuh | in my opinion it really nice | 18:37 |
| miksuh | easily | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | yeah but at same time it isn't an exact system | 18:38 |
| wmarone | too true. fighting font sizes is always a joy | 18:39 |
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| miksuh | well noone is forcing you to use the simulator, but it still should be availabke for those of us who like to use it | 18:50 |
| miksuh | it would be good to be able to decide if to use simulator or emulator | 18:51 |
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| miksuh | both would be good | 18:52 |
| miksuh | that's what I mean | 18:52 |
| miksuh | goot to have | 18:52 |
| ajalkane | Maybe it's just me, but I wouldn't try releasing an app that relies on sensors, cell ids etc. without real device. Mocking it up in simulator/desktop/SDK would be ok, but I for one don't miss a simulator. | 18:52 |
| miksuh | I did not say you would test app only on simulator | 18:53 |
| ajalkane | I don't get the point of a simulator if you anyway have to test it on real device - you can't trust a simulator here | 18:53 |
| ajalkane | So what's the added advantage of a simulator then? | 18:54 |
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| miksuh | maybe because you have not really used the simulator= | 18:54 |
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| miksuh | it's muvh more easier to test on simulator than deploy to real device adter each change | 18:55 |
| miksuh | or to emulator | 18:55 |
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| miksuh | and as I said simulator does klet you test features which is difficukt using emulator | 18:55 |
| miksuh | or impossible | 18:56 |
| miksuh | on emulator | 18:56 |
| miksuh | ofcourse you test your app on real device before publishing the app | 18:56 |
| ajalkane | I'll grant I have not used them simulators much, and I might be missing something | 18:56 |
| miksuh | but during development simulator is nice | 18:56 |
| ajalkane | But why wouldn't mocking the inputs give just as good results as a simulator, and even better? | 18:57 |
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| miksuh | it's not just user input like I listed abowe | 18:58 |
| ajalkane | You can mock devices just as well as user input | 18:58 |
| ajalkane | But nevermind... having a simulator wouldn't hurt anyone. Who am I to argue this :-) | 18:59 |
| miksuh | how do you test eg. change in cell id using the emulator? | 18:59 |
| miksuh | ofcourse if emulator has all those options the it's different | 19:00 |
| ajalkane | Without cell id, I'd have a different class providing the cell id's instead of the system provided one | 19:00 |
| ajalkane | * without emulator | 19:00 |
| miksuh | i meant netwotk cell id | 19:01 |
| ajalkane | Me too sir | 19:01 |
| ajalkane | In ProfileMatic I use that for testing on Desktop | 19:01 |
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| ajalkane | Well, at least I used when I needed it. Which was quite a while ago. | 19:02 |
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| miksuh | ofcourse if emulator has all As I said you don't need to use it, but I'm sure I'm not the only opne who would like to have Qt Simulator on Sailfish. I really don't understand why you are so strongly against it. If you don't want to use it then don't | 19:05 |
| miksuh | damn | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | people are just discussing, that's all :) | 19:05 |
| ajalkane | Well, like I said earlier, having a simulator wouldn't hurt anyone | 19:05 |
| miksuh | As I said you don't need to use it, but I'm sure I'm not the only opne who would like to have Qt Simulator on Sailfish. I really don't understand why you are so strongly against it. If you don't want to use it then don't | 19:05 |
| ajalkane | So in other words, I'm not against it at all. | 19:06 |
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| miksuh | don't understand me wrong, I like the current SDK too :) | 19:20 |
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| ArunC | Hi guys, I just downloaded the SDK to give it a try on my arch linux. I created the HelloWorld project. QtCreator was able to detect that the VirtualBox is not running and started it up. | 19:51 |
| ArunC | But again when I tried to run it, it still shows the message that the VB is not running and attempts to restart it. Can somebody help me out here? Here is the screenshot: http://postimg.org/image/xvna84lqp/e025785b/ | 19:52 |
| fk_lx | ArunC: it only shows that SailfishOS Emulator isn't running | 19:54 |
| fk_lx | ArunC: you have to hit that icon in bottom left | 19:54 |
| fk_lx | ArunC: there will be two virutal machines running -> Mer SDK and SailfishOS Emulator | 19:55 |
| fk_lx | on the screenshot you have provided you running only Mer SDK virtual machine | 19:56 |
| ArunC | fk_lx: Thanks, I just found that. | 20:02 |
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| fk_lx | ArunC: no problem, happy to at least try to help :-) | 20:06 |
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| ArunC | I am running on Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T5250 @ 1.50GHz. Its been long since I started the emulator. Will it generally take this much time? | 20:09 |
| ArunC | and, looks like 2 GB RAM isn't quite sufficient. I have already hit the peak twice and I've run drop_caches | 20:11 |
| Yaniel | hmm | 20:11 |
| Yaniel | do you have the vboxdrv kernel module loaded? | 20:11 |
| ArunC | Yeah, it is: vboxdrv 221435 5 vboxnetadp,vboxnetflt,vboxpci | 20:11 |
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| ArunC | Let me give it more time. There is not much CPU usage, though my fan speed is really high now. | 20:13 |
| Yaniel | did you build the project? | 20:15 |
| ArunC | Of course, yes and got the error that the emulator isn't running. | 20:16 |
| ArunC | I have both the VMs open in addition to the qt creator. | 20:17 |
| Yaniel | try closing both vms | 20:17 |
| ArunC | Will there be any display on the emulator? It shows be blank. | 20:17 |
| Yaniel | and starting them again | 20:17 |
| ArunC | So I'm not sure if they are clean. | 20:17 |
| ArunC | OK. Let me try that. | 20:18 |
| Yaniel | tge emulator goes to energy saving mode xD | 20:18 |
| Yaniel | a known bug | 20:18 |
| Yaniel | so blank screen there is normal | 20:18 |
| ArunC | :) Nice to know that. | 20:18 |
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| ArunC | I've tried: ssh -q 2222 -i ~/.ssh/mer-qt-creator-rsa root@localhost | 20:31 |
| ArunC | and I get permission deined | 20:31 |
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| ArunC | so, qtcreator errors out saying emulator rejected server key | 20:32 |
| ArunC | ^^ rather, Emulator: server rejected key | 20:33 |
| ArunC | MerSDK VB is the process listening on 2222, not sure why he would reject the key. | 20:34 |
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| ArunC | Tried adding this key through ssh-add, still no luck. Let me reboot once. | 20:39 |
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| ArunC | Just noticed a thing after the reboot. I can see a stop Sdk button. But not a stop Emulator. | 20:48 |
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| ArunC | So run always prompts me to start the emulator. | 20:49 |
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| Yaniel | ArunC: the thing with the ssh key sounds like a certain known problem that is documented on the wiki | 20:50 |
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| Yaniel | there is a button to stop the emulator | 20:50 |
| ArunC | Oh OK. Let me try that tomorrow. Its 2:15 am in Bangalore and I've to rush to work early tomorrow. Thanks for your kind help! Catch you tomorrow. | 20:51 |
| lbt | ArunC: I just popped in | 20:53 |
| lbt | sounds like it's late - come and ask tomorrow and hopefully I'll be around | 20:54 |
| ArunC | lbt: Sure, thanks :) | 20:55 |
| ArunC | What time are you guys usually online? | 20:55 |
| lbt | EU/UK time | 20:55 |
| lbt | so it's 10pm now | 20:55 |
| ArunC | OK, after 7/8 pm EU time? | 20:56 |
| lbt | sure | 20:56 |
| lbt | mmm | 20:56 |
| lbt | I may be out tomorrow night :D | 20:56 |
| ArunC | Cool, thanks, cus, I don't want to spoil your work hours. | 20:57 |
| lbt | but yell anyhow | 20:57 |
| ArunC | :) Well, sure. | 20:57 |
| lbt | oh, this is my job too | 20:57 |
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