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| lbt | morning | 09:03 |
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| GentSir | lbt, it's very quiet in here | 09:22 |
| lbt | True - it *is* sunday morning though :D | 09:23 |
| lbt | So GentSir... are you enjoying the SDK so far? | 09:24 |
| GentSir | I haven't even touched it, I'm more interested as a user than a developer | 09:25 |
| lbt | ah :) | 09:26 |
| lbt | that part definitely comes later | 09:26 |
| GentSir | I have an N9 I absolutely loved, saw Sailfish is going to be very similar to MeeGo | 09:26 |
| GentSir | you know what, I'll take a look at the SDK | 09:27 |
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| lbt | please do - although I will say that the Alpha SDK is rather light in tutorials | 09:27 |
| GentSir | My programming experience is limited to a little bit of C, Python, and VB.Net. I'm nowhere near excellent, but I can learn | 09:28 |
| lbt | oh, that' should be fine then | 09:28 |
| lbt | you may find you need to follow the plain Qt QML tutorials first - then play with the SailfishOS ones | 09:28 |
| GentSir | I've done some very basic stuff on Android, but I feel like Dalvik is bloated | 09:29 |
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| lbt | and asking questions or reporting areas where it's hard to learn: here or on the mailing list, will help us identify areas to improve | 09:29 |
| GentSir | What language is used for development? | 09:30 |
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| lbt | QML and javascript for the UI ... C++ for the deeper logic if you need to | 09:31 |
| GentSir | I'm very interested in a phone that's more "business" like with a Linux base. I'm also watching Tizen closely. It's a shame what happened to MeeGo | 09:33 |
| lbt | yes, agreed | 09:34 |
| GentSir | May I ask what you currently use? | 09:34 |
| lbt | phone? I use a Sailfish device :D | 09:35 |
| lbt | I have an N9 and N900 too | 09:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | lbt: :D | 09:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | lbt: do you really have a sailfish device right now as a phone ? | 09:36 |
| lbt | of course. But that's all I can say about it :) | 09:36 |
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| GentSir | lbt, sailfish on an N9? | 09:36 |
| lbt | You've seen the MWC videos etc | 09:37 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | lbt: so it is on the N950 ? :) | 09:37 |
| GentSir | YEs | 09:37 |
| GentSir | I've always considered the N950 the holy grail of smartphones | 09:37 |
| dm8tbr | which conveniently is not a product | 09:37 |
| dm8tbr | and it's made of indestructium or something like that | 09:37 |
| lbt | It is pretty good | 09:38 |
| GentSir | You can find them on ebay for around $1500 every so often | 09:38 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | strange, I'm the only one considering the N9 as better then ... | 09:38 |
| lbt | dm8tbr: apart from the screen | 09:38 |
| GentSir | I just like having a physical keyboard | 09:38 |
| dm8tbr | lbt: my screen healed itself from black lines :) | 09:38 |
| GentSir | But I have an N9, though it's not used anymore | 09:39 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | dm8tbr: yeah, the only phone with autoheal capabilities | 09:39 |
| lbt | dm8tbr: really... mine is still fine | 09:39 |
| dm8tbr | nokia hardware engineering has always been superior | 09:40 |
| GentSir | lbt, are there plans for Sailfish devices with actual keyboards? That's the killer feature for me | 09:40 |
| lbt | GentSir: I really like the N9 actually | 09:40 |
| GentSir | n950 > n9, if I could get my hands on one | 09:40 |
| lbt | GentSir: nothing announced yet | 09:41 |
| GentSir | I currently use a Motorola Atrix 2 with CM10, completely removed from the google ecosystem with just what I need sideloaded on. | 09:41 |
| lbt | I wish I had more time to keep up with other hardware - I just accept that I need to focus on things that need doing | 09:42 |
| GentSir | Good attitude. But if I had a phone similar to the N950 with updated specs and Sailfish on it, I'd be learning every piece of that sdk | 09:43 |
| lbt | the emulator is pretty good | 09:44 |
| lbt | actually it's a superb emulator - it *is* sailfish in a VM | 09:44 |
| lbt | so it really gets you ready for when devices arrive | 09:45 |
| GentSir | Does sailfish run well on an N9? | 09:45 |
| lbt | Nemo does | 09:46 |
| GentSir | I've heard about Nemo | 09:46 |
| lbt | Sailfish builds on opensource projects - 2 in particular are Mer and Nemo | 09:47 |
| GentSir | Why Nemo and Sailfish projects? Aren't they both based on Mir and have the same goals? | 09:47 |
| GentSir | whoops *Mer | 09:47 |
| lbt | Mer is a cool distro... Mir was a space station :) | 09:48 |
| GentSir | yes yes, sorry | 09:48 |
| lbt | *g* | 09:48 |
| GentSir | It's pretty late for me | 09:48 |
| lbt | So way back when we took over MeeGo we split it into core/middleware/ux/hardware | 09:48 |
| lbt | Mer is the core | 09:48 |
| lbt | Nemo holds middleware/ux and provides hardware adaptations | 09:49 |
| lbt | this allows things like plasma active to also use Mer - and collaborate with Nemo | 09:49 |
| GentSir | I saw that sailfish uses qt, is the user interface based on plasma/kde? | 09:50 |
| GentSir | Or the qt that Nokia bought and was planning on using? | 09:50 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: nope | 09:50 |
| GentSir | Excuse my ignorance | 09:51 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | KDE is based on Qt, but you can do UI without KDE :) | 09:51 |
| GentSir | ah | 09:51 |
| GentSir | I like the premise of the project, even with my limited skills | 09:51 |
| GentSir | I can at least promise I'll be buying a device when they're available, but I'll certainly be taking a look at the SDK today | 09:51 |
| lbt | Qt is qt-project.org | 09:52 |
| GentSir | Are there plans to support more languages within the ide? | 09:54 |
| GentSir | SDK, I mean | 09:54 |
| lbt | yes, chinese, finnish ... | 09:54 |
| lbt | :) | 09:54 |
| GentSir | As in programming languages | 09:55 |
| GentSir | But C++ works fine | 09:55 |
| GentSir | eh, had a power surge | 09:59 |
| lbt | there's no word yet on supported APIs for sailfish | 10:01 |
| GentSir | I'm assuming it'll be pretty decent | 10:02 |
| GentSir | lots of passionate people working on it | 10:03 |
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| lbt | it will certainly focus on Qt APIs - and things like the old QtMobility ones | 10:03 |
| lbt | then we need to see what else is needed and supportable | 10:03 |
| lbt | note that this is 'supported' not 'possible' | 10:04 |
| GentSir | I've never used qt, but i can learm | 10:04 |
| lbt | it truly is superb | 10:04 |
| GentSir | on my development desktop i use openbox | 10:06 |
| GentSir | so I've never touched qt | 10:06 |
| spider-mario | you might have without realizing it | 10:07 |
| spider-mario | vlc uses Qt, for example (though it doesn’t really shine as an example of integration, imho) | 10:07 |
| spider-mario | (it uses its own icons, for example :/) | 10:07 |
| GentSir | i meant, I've never wrote any code that touches qt | 10:08 |
| spider-mario | ok | 10:08 |
| GentSir | VLC is a great piece of software | 10:08 |
| spider-mario | it is, but its UI still leaves a little to be desired | 10:08 |
| GentSir | Fair enough | 10:09 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: about other supported languages in sailfish | 10:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | technically, python + Qt (aka pyside) is supported as well | 10:43 |
| GentSir | Sfiet_Konstantin, Python is what I'm used to | 10:45 |
| GentSir | But C++ is fine | 10:45 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: do whatever you want. If you want to write an app, python can be very fast | 10:46 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | however, if you want to expand Qt capabilities (like adding plugins), it might be better to use C++ | 10:46 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: openWhatsapp uses the python binding | 10:47 |
| GentSir | Sfiet_Konstantin, on modern hardware there's very little speed advantage to c++ over python in practice | 10:47 |
| GentSir | Developer time is more important than cpu time | 10:48 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: well, i don't think that you can extend Qt with python | 10:49 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | like adding new QML features | 10:49 |
| GentSir | I have no experience with Qt, but I have a little with C++ | 10:49 |
| GentSir | I can learn | 10:49 |
| spider-mario | using Python can add to binary size, though, since the interpreter is needed | 10:51 |
| spider-mario | with Sailfish’s package management, it might not be a problem | 10:51 |
| spider-mario | but it could under Android, I guess | 10:52 |
| spider-mario | (for example.) | 10:52 |
| GentSir | How are you guys connected to the project? I'm just an interested observer | 10:52 |
| spider-mario | so am I | 10:52 |
| GentSir | Sfiet_Konstantin, how about you? | 10:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: I'm an enthusiast to the project as well | 10:55 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I developed for the N9 | 10:55 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (and am still developing) | 10:56 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and also a blogger for JollaFr (french Jolla blog) | 10:56 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 10:56 |
| GentSir | I own an N9 | 10:56 |
| GentSir | But it hasn't been used in over a year | 10:56 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: why ? | 10:59 |
| spider-mario | I’d love an N9 | 11:00 |
| spider-mario | well, I would have loved one when it was still alive | 11:00 |
| spider-mario | now, I’m eager to see what Jolla will release :) | 11:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | me too | 11:00 |
| GentSir | I replaced it with a better android phone. But what I would do for an updated version of the N950... | 11:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | especially since Sailfish demos are more and more impressive | 11:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: don't dream | 11:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is impossible for Jolla to release a keyboard device | 11:01 |
| GentSir | Why is that? | 11:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | too much variants for different countries | 11:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | in france, we have azerty and not qwerty etc | 11:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and how about china ? | 11:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | maybe the 2nd or 3rd | 11:01 |
| spider-mario | I am french but I use bépo | 11:01 |
| spider-mario | even more fragmentation! | 11:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | they know that sailfish enthusiasts likes qwerty | 11:01 |
| GentSir | I'm in the US, plenty of qwerty users to cater to | 11:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | so maybe one day :) | 11:01 |
| spider-mario | (http://bépo.fr) | 11:02 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | spider-mario: I'm alternating :) | 11:02 |
| spider-mario | nice :) | 11:02 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | between bépo and azerty | 11:02 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | because while coding, I cannot use bépo | 11:02 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | too hard | 11:02 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | however while writing, I'm using it | 11:02 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is nice :) | 11:02 |
| GentSir | But seriously, a real keyboard is impossible? | 11:02 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: well, for a startup | 11:02 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | for a 1st phone | 11:02 |
| spider-mario | what programming language is bépo not appropriate for, out of curiosity? | 11:02 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | technically, it is hard | 11:03 |
| GentSir | Well,not expecting it on the first lineup | 11:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | spider-mario: just writing the brackets | 11:03 |
| GentSir | but later on, it'd be a must | 11:03 |
| spider-mario | oh | 11:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | {}{}{} it is a bit hard | 11:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | altgr + wx | 11:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | woops, no that's for slashes | 11:03 |
| spider-mario | I find it easier than with azerty, actually | 11:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | not that easy | 11:03 |
| spider-mario | alt gr + (x c in azerty, y x in bépo) | 11:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | spider-mario: did not practiced a lot | 11:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | maybe I will switch to full bepo one day | 11:04 |
| spider-mario | what might not be very convenient to type in bépo is <> | 11:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: latter, it is a must, indeed | 11:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | spider-mario: agreed | 11:04 |
| GentSir | Something like the N950 would be perfect | 11:05 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: no | 11:05 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | lauta | 11:05 |
| GentSir | Of that form factor and style, not the exact hardware | 11:05 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | http://mynokiablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/rm-742-6.jpg | 11:05 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | lauta is way prettier :D | 11:05 |
| GentSir | Oh, that is a nice device | 11:06 |
| GentSir | What is that? | 11:06 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | http://mynokiablog.com/2012/09/04/leaked-prototype-nokia-lauta-rm-742-cancelled-immediate-n9-successor/ | 11:06 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but well, I would love to see even better device | 11:07 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | like a different form factor et | 11:07 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | c | 11:07 |
| GentSir | Those look cool | 11:07 |
| GentSir | Working with ssh with a virtual keyboard is a pain, I'd love a real keyboard and all my screen to actually use | 11:08 |
| GentSir | and it's faster to type on a real keyboard overall | 11:08 |
| spider-mario | not covering the screen and tactile feedback and two big advantages of hardware keyboards | 11:09 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | well, the feedback on the N9 is pretty good | 11:10 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ahowever, I agree about SSH | 11:10 |
| GentSir | hardware keyboards were mostly phased out by more responsive touchscreens | 11:11 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | would love to see a sort of cover that cover half of the screen and overlays hw kb on the touchscreen | 11:11 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | best of the two worlds | 11:11 |
| GentSir | I'm having trouble visualizing that | 11:16 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | hold your smarphone in portrait | 11:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | add a small cover at the bottom | 11:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | that simply covers the vkb | 11:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | that cover have physical keys that press the virtual keys | 11:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 11:19 |
| GentSir | still reduces screen space, but i get the concept now | 11:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: yeah | 11:22 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but if they launch the first smartphone as touch only | 11:22 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | why not produce that kind of accessory | 11:23 |
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| GentSir | Sfiet_Konstantin, I don't see any reason that isn't an option, Just seems very niche to me, very few people would bother. | 11:50 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: well, if people find it useful (and I'm sure it is) it might be less niche | 11:53 |
| GentSir | Sfiet_Konstantin, would probably be very cheap to manufacture as well | 11:54 |
| GentSir | But I'd still prefer a full physical keyboard | 11:54 |
| GentSir | Did you see the CES demo of a screen that the surface could mold to actual shapes, and they demoed a raised keypad on a touchscreen? Now that's cool stuff | 11:55 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: no, but these kind of screens would be pretty nice | 11:56 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I would love to see what kind of screens will Jolla use | 11:56 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | they promised a new srceen technology | 11:56 |
| GentSir | Probably pretty standard stuff | 11:56 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: well, no | 11:56 |
| Yaniel | Sfiet_Konstantin: source? | 11:57 |
| GentSir | Sfiet_Konstantin, I didn't see anything about that | 11:57 |
| GentSir | You might have seen this before as well: http://pixelqi.com/ | 11:57 |
| GentSir | There's also a company making an iPhone case with an eink display on the back of the device, so you can save a page there. That built into a device could have a lot of uses | 11:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: I have heard it from Marc Dillon itself so ... | 11:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: http://jollafr.org/reunion-avec-jolla-les-reponses-a-vos-questions-interview-with-jolla-answer-to-your-questions/ | 11:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: yeah, that Yota phone | 11:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | not fully convinced though | 11:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I prefer low power mode like on the N9 | 11:58 |
| GentSir | Sfiet_Konstantin, wasn't saying you were wrong, I just hadn't seen it | 11:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | one screen two usages | 11:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: I know, it was just in a private blogger meeting :P | 11:59 |
| GentSir | That page in finnish? | 11:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: scroll to the end of the article | 11:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | nope it is fr, but english at the end | 11:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | scroll at the end of the article, the part about screen is at the end | 11:59 |
| GentSir | Oh, good | 12:00 |
| GentSir | Sadly, I can only read english | 12:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | no prob | 12:00 |
| GentSir | If I wasn't so tired I would have noticed that was french | 12:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | that article was made for english readers as well | 12:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | because I think that that interview was worth sharing to everybody | 12:00 |
| GentSir | Yes. English is the langua franca today | 12:01 |
| GentSir | That's funny, because the french had to be translated to english | 12:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: :P yeah | 12:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | well, technically it was | 12:02 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | english interview -> french article -> translated english article | 12:02 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :P | 12:02 |
| GentSir | Ah. I've heard learning a new language opens up a completely new way of thinking | 12:02 |
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| GentSir | My best friend is fluent in arabic, and says there are some concepts that are easier to actually think about in arabic than english | 12:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: same with chinese | 12:03 |
| GentSir | I really should learn another language | 12:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and I have to acknowledge that I'm not writing the same sentences in fr and en | 12:03 |
| GentSir | Us americans aren't very culturally sensitive | 12:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and sometimes, I'm so used in talking in english that I'm forgetting some french formulations | 12:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: a bit sad | 12:04 |
| GentSir | I try my best | 12:04 |
| GentSir | But I know I have prejudices simply from being raised around it | 12:05 |
| GentSir | The world would be a much better place if everyone took a moment to actually think before they started talking, and to just tolerate other peoples lifestyles. | 12:06 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: not easy | 12:06 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | however we should not talk about that here | 12:07 |
| GentSir | Back on topic | 12:07 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | even if it is a very very interesting topic | 12:07 |
| GentSir | thanks for the link to that article | 12:07 |
| GentSir | I would love a n950 to use daily, it's not like I need the raw computing power of a brand new smartphone | 12:07 |
| GentSir | They're hard to find though | 12:08 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: I got bored of the N950 | 12:08 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is a nice piece of hw | 12:08 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | the SW is nice as well | 12:08 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but it happened that I finally used it as a N9 | 12:08 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | no much using HWKB | 12:08 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and doing terminal stuff through SSH from computer | 12:09 |
| GentSir | I see them on ebay once in awhile for like $1500 | 12:09 |
| GentSir | The few devs that had them didn't sell them often | 12:09 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | technically it is forbidden to sell them | 12:09 |
| GentSir | I know that | 12:09 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and mine will never be sold | 12:09 |
| GentSir | But people did anyway, even though legally they were loaned from nokia | 12:09 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yeah | 12:10 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | because Nokia don't really care about them | 12:10 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | windows phone, windows phone, windows phone everywhere | 12:10 |
| GentSir | I'm convinced there has to be boxes of the n950 and the phones after in boxes somewhere at nokia, forgotten and abandoned | 12:10 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | don't think that there is much N950 left right now | 12:11 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | they gave most of them to devs i think | 12:11 |
| GentSir | I read there were 250 made | 12:11 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | no | 12:11 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | there were more | 12:11 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | 250 was the first batch of donation | 12:11 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | they then gave 100 more | 12:11 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | just from meego.com | 12:11 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and after that there were ~10 for maemo coding competition | 12:11 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and there are others that were given though other channels | 12:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | so | 12:12 |
| GentSir | Ah, it's sad to think there are plenty of MeeGo and Maemo phones that never got into the hands of people who would've loved them | 12:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: new strategy | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | they're really not as great as you can imagine.. i'm moving to n9 as i'm tired of signal strength issues | 12:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | WP | 12:12 |
| GentSir | Ugh, WP is a mess | 12:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: thanks for supporting my point :) | 12:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | WP is OK-ish | 12:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | nothing compared to the power of Harmattan | 12:13 |
| GentSir | I actually liked the hardware | 12:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | UI is is fluid though | 12:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | not me | 12:13 |
| GentSir | I've used a samsung WP7 device | 12:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | the 920 do not have that great HW | 12:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ah | 12:13 |
| GentSir | So I'm familiar with WP | 12:13 |
| GentSir | I didn't like it | 12:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :D | 12:14 |
| GentSir | Right now I use a locked down CM10 | 12:14 |
| GentSir | But Sailfish looks very promising | 12:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: I played several times with android | 12:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | nice, customizable | 12:14 |
| GentSir | Sadly, I doubt the first phones will be available in the states | 12:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but dependant of google | 12:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and quickly boring | 12:14 |
| GentSir | My phone is completely removed from the google ecosystem | 12:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: available, I think (through the internet), distributed by carriers, forget about it | 12:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: and I don't like dalvik + java | 12:15 |
| GentSir | If I could get an unlocked one that worked on a US carrier I'd buy one | 12:15 |
| GentSir | I tried to do a little android dev work, I don't like the dalvik + java setup either | 12:16 |
| rashm2k | Stskeeps: don't move to n9 | 12:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | rashm2k: why ? | 12:16 |
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| rashm2k | as much as I like my n9 its just too slow | 12:16 |
| GentSir | rashm2k, I plan to wait for a modern device | 12:16 |
| rashm2k | its v old tech now | 12:16 |
| rashm2k | go for z10 insread | 12:17 |
| GentSir | z10? | 12:17 |
| rashm2k | blackberry | 12:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | rashm2k: do you know who is Stskeeps ? :P | 12:17 |
| rashm2k | nope | 12:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | head engineer of the mer project | 12:17 |
| rashm2k | z10 uses qt + qml | 12:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I think he knows HW (especially Jolla HW) enough to know what to do :P | 12:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Z10 is okish as well | 12:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it looks like N9 | 12:18 |
| rashm2k | I have the dev alpha b | 12:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | if you want the successor to the N9 experience, Z10 is the way | 12:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | if you want to have more innovation in UI and usage, better choose Sailfish device | 12:18 |
| rashm2k | It's very close to the successor - but it just doesnt have that Nokia feel to it | 12:18 |
| rashm2k | The n9 is beutiful device, OS is amazing | 12:19 |
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| rashm2k | regardless I have both the N9 and the dev alpha b I can compare | 12:21 |
| rashm2k | So sailfish is out sometime this year? | 12:22 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | rashm2k: Jolla device yeah | 12:22 |
| rashm2k | guessing some quad/octocore variant? | 12:22 |
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| GentSir | rashm2k, can I use my standard pgp keys for email on a z10? | 12:23 |
| rashm2k | I haven't even tried - not sure how to check | 12:23 |
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| GentSir | I actually use pgp a lot, it's an important feature for me. | 12:24 |
| rashm2k | don't think it is: | 12:25 |
| rashm2k | http://www.symantec.com/business/support/index?page=content&id=TECH202650 | 12:25 |
| GentSir | Can't it sideload android apps? | 12:25 |
| rashm2k | Yes - but not all of the Android API is supported | 12:26 |
| rashm2k | So the app you load might work - but not 100% guaranteed | 12:27 |
| GentSir | Yeah, I use K-9 Mail on android with AGP | 12:27 |
| GentSir | I'd be willing to help implement that in in Sailfish if needed | 12:28 |
| rashm2k | Maybe you could just port it to BB10/Sailfish | 12:28 |
| rashm2k | It's pretty easy i'm told to just port and android app | 12:29 |
| GentSir | The K-9 dev might even do it | 12:29 |
| rashm2k | There is already k9-mail on the Bb10 | 12:29 |
| rashm2k | downloading now | 12:29 |
| GentSir | Oh? Is there any pgp support? Have to use AGP for it on android | 12:30 |
| rashm2k | still downloading | 12:30 |
| GentSir | The z10 is $200 for me on AT&T, the same I'd pay for a new android phone | 12:30 |
| rashm2k | It's expensive me thinks | 12:30 |
| GentSir | I really want more of a "business" style phone | 12:30 |
| rashm2k | You know how Android browser lags? | 12:31 |
| GentSir | Yes, it's a pain | 12:31 |
| rashm2k | and causes the whole phone ot slow down? | 12:31 |
| GentSir | Even my fairly bloat free setup does it | 12:31 |
| rashm2k | The bb10 doesn't | 12:31 |
| GentSir | Worst thing about android is UI lag | 12:31 |
| rashm2k | Honestly it so far the BB10 UI is totally fluid | 12:32 |
| GentSir | If you give me an interface with zero lag, I'm willing to change | 12:32 |
| rashm2k | Best implementation of flash player I have seen on ANY device | 12:32 |
| GentSir | Eh, flash is starting to die. Good riddance | 12:32 |
| rashm2k | True - but not dead yet | 12:32 |
| rashm2k | OK k9 installed - seems to work ok | 12:33 |
| GentSir | k9 is the only mail app for android I can use pgp with | 12:35 |
| rashm2k | It's a bit laggy and I just got a force close | 12:35 |
| GentSir | oh | 12:35 |
| GentSir | ouch | 12:35 |
| rashm2k | But it works quite well | 12:36 |
| GentSir | I'll lookup pgp on it | 12:36 |
| GentSir | As I said, that is required | 12:36 |
| GentSir | But it looks nice | 12:36 |
| rashm2k | No issues so far, maybe force close was a one off | 12:37 |
| GentSir | perhaps, it happened | 12:38 |
| GentSir | *happens | 12:38 |
| rashm2k | Dev alpha doesn't have the final OS on it and only 1GB ram | 12:38 |
| rashm2k | Not quite a fair comparision to th z10, but if it works reasonably on dev alpha then should work much better on the Z10 | 12:39 |
| GentSir | you have a dev device? | 12:40 |
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| GentSir | Do you develop for BB10? | 12:40 |
| rashm2k | yes I have the dev device - why does it say APG not available? | 12:41 |
| rashm2k | Yes | 12:41 |
| rashm2k | develop for BB10 (porting my Meego ap) | 12:41 |
| GentSir | APG = Android Privacy Guard. It's PGP for Android, I'd figure there's a implementation for BB10 though | 12:43 |
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| GentSir | rashm2k, what MeeGo app did you make? | 12:52 |
| rashm2k | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=86740 | 12:54 |
| rashm2k | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83338 | 12:54 |
| GentSir | Isn't Sailfish/Nemo/Mer just Linux at its base? | 12:57 |
| GentSir | If it is, it shouldn't be hard to implement proper pgp support | 12:57 |
| rashm2k | yes it is - I'm sure its just a case of compiling then providing a gui on top | 12:58 |
| GentSir | Yeah, not too awfully hard | 12:59 |
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| GentSir | I actually made a new keypair to use for contributing to projects. The only pair I had was my voc schol web of trust keypair | 13:16 |
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| lbt | GentSir: http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-core/gnupg2.git;a=summary gpg is in core | 13:19 |
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| GentSir | lbt, so pretty much all the work needed to have it really usable is to make a GUI on top of that? or a plugin for the mail app? | 13:21 |
| GentSir | Unless it's already integrated | 13:21 |
| lbt | correct | 13:21 |
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| GentSir | lbt, it's already integrated or just needs a little interface work? | 15:17 |
| lbt | none of the mail ui stuff is public yet | 15:19 |
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| GentSir | lbt, but will pgp be implemented in it, or is it planned to? | 15:30 |
| GentSir | I'd be all over a phone with proper security | 15:31 |
| lbt | GentSir: we really can't comment on things that aren't released - sorry | 15:31 |
| GentSir | That's okay, it being in the core is good enough for me | 15:32 |
| GentSir | Wasn't meaning to be rude | 15:32 |
| GentSir | This is making me want to really dig into that sdk though | 15:33 |
| lbt | np - it's not rude. It's just that we're not allowed to talk about it | 15:33 |
| GentSir | Thank you for answering the questions you could though, it's very appreciated | 15:34 |
| lbt | sure - and most of the time I just don't know either - my focus is on the SDK and the Mer side | 15:35 |
| GentSir | I hope I'll be able to get one of the first devices released onto a US network | 15:35 |
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| lbt | *g* hope so | 15:36 |
| GentSir | Lots of customers over here in the states... | 15:37 |
| lbt | really? | 15:37 |
| lbt | thought you guys all had iphones already :D | 15:38 |
| GentSir | Oh god, I would never use an iPhone! | 15:38 |
| GentSir | That's a prime example of how much money americans like to toss around though | 15:38 |
| GentSir | This is like a religion in suburban america: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keeping_up_with_the_Joneses | 15:39 |
| lbt | nb #jollamobile exists too - that's more of a place for discussing ( or speculating :) on Jolla activity | 15:39 |
| lbt | seems quiet atm though | 15:40 |
| GentSir | Thanks for the tip, I shall join | 15:40 |
| GentSir | Didn't see that channel when I was looking for stuff on Sailfish | 15:40 |
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| lbt | funny - I always thought that ^^ link referred to english culture | 15:40 |
| GentSir | It's here in the states too | 15:41 |
| GentSir | I refuse to have a credit card, or incur any debt at all | 15:41 |
| GentSir | But that's not a discussion for here | 15:42 |
| lbt | hehe | 15:42 |
| GentSir | The sailfish SDK will be done downloading soon | 15:42 |
| lbt | yeah - I should go work on the next emulator | 15:42 |
| GentSir | Are there tutorials or guides of some sort packed in with it? | 15:42 |
| lbt | some - we need more | 15:43 |
| lbt | we're developing this in the open though | 15:43 |
| lbt | so feel free to contribute | 15:43 |
| lbt | I'm adding host-based networking so we can get the build-engine to deploy straight to the emulator | 15:44 |
| GentSir | Not sure how useful I'd be with my limited experience, but I'll certainly try something | 15:44 |
| lbt | sure | 15:44 |
| GentSir | lbt, why does the SDK require Virtualbox for the emulator? | 16:04 |
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| lbt | it's a fully blown virtual machine emulation of the device | 16:05 |
| GentSir | Is it designed to be fairly beginner friendly? | 16:06 |
| lbt | yes - but it is still alpha - so it's lacking in docs and has some known issues | 16:07 |
| GentSir | Easier or harder than say, Android? | 16:07 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: easier ? | 16:08 |
| lclc | for sure it's faster ;) | 16:08 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | QML is easy | 16:08 |
| lbt | good to hear - I'm not an android dev :) | 16:08 |
| GentSir | There's not much slower than that dalvik/java mess | 16:08 |
| GentSir | I'd rather deal with the low level headaches in C++ | 16:10 |
| lbt | if you let it Qt makes that easy | 16:11 |
| GentSir | One feature I think would be cool, but would probably be third party | 16:12 |
| GentSir | Back in the day I had a Windows CE phone | 16:12 |
| GentSir | Well, Windows Mobile | 16:12 |
| GentSir | The old version | 16:12 |
| GentSir | I could connect my phone to windows xp and text through a desktop application that interfaced with my phone | 16:12 |
| GentSir | I've never found anything like that on iOS or Android | 16:13 |
| lbt | should be easy - ssh myphone send_sms --to 5551234 --mesg "Hey, make me coffee" | 16:14 |
| lbt | hint - don't leave ssh open on your phone | 16:15 |
| GentSir | Wait | 16:15 |
| lbt | also, that's not written yet | 16:15 |
| lbt | but you could probably do it today on Nemo on an N9 if you like | 16:15 |
| GentSir | you're saying core apps/features will have a CLI on the backend? | 16:15 |
| lbt | not exactly | 16:16 |
| GentSir | But it'll be a service that's easy to access? | 16:16 |
| lbt | more that it should be straightforward to use things like dbus from CLI to communicate with messaging | 16:16 |
| GentSir | I'd have a field day with that | 16:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | lbt: any aegis like ? | 16:17 |
| lbt | no | 16:17 |
| GentSir | Making that trivial would be very very cool, even if I have to write the desktop side code myself | 16:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | so, if someone write a malicious app app, will there be a way to protect the user ? | 16:19 |
| GentSir | I'd presume that it'd be over ssh | 16:19 |
| lbt | Sfiet_Konstantin: how is that handled on other platforms? | 16:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | lbt: there is a manifest on BB10 IIRC | 16:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | didn't touch other platform much | 16:20 |
| lbt | so apps ask permission to be able to send SMS ? | 16:20 |
| GentSir | lbt already hinted at ssh for it | 16:20 |
| GentSir | Which is plenty secure if used right | 16:20 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | lbt: yeah | 16:22 |
| lbt | GentSir: you are able to write in C++ so anything goes protocol wise | 16:22 |
| lbt | Sfiet_Konstantin: so when they ask, how do you determine if they are malicious ? | 16:22 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | well, | 16:23 |
| lbt | Sfiet_Konstantin: nb .. this is a very valid and interesting discussion | 16:23 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | if a wallpaper want to send SMS | 16:23 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | then there is a problem | 16:23 |
| lbt | indeed :) | 16:23 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | or maybe you can have a log | 16:23 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | like | 16:23 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | "that SMS app did send one to somewhere" | 16:24 |
| lbt | there has been some debate on Mer mailing list - and we need more discussion | 16:24 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | or that wallpaper tried to connect to http://hacker.com/test | 16:24 |
| GentSir | lbt, debate about what? | 16:24 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | lbt: i see | 16:24 |
| lbt | Sfiet_Konstantin: also an app that reports or monitors cost services | 16:24 |
| lbt | GentSir: security/privacy controls | 16:24 |
| lclc | Is it already possible to simulate camera access? Add the functionality for an app to take a picutre? | 16:25 |
| lbt | lclc: we don't have that in the alpha | 16:25 |
| GentSir | I like how android does it. It explicitly states what access apps have at install time. If you're rooted, there are also utilities to block apps from having certain permissions. | 16:26 |
| lbt | lclc: I'd like to explore USB passthru from a webcam | 16:26 |
| lbt | lclc: what do you think? | 16:26 |
| lbt | GentSir: yep - it makes sense. We do need to discuss this more at the lower Mer levels too | 16:27 |
| lclc | lbt: that would be cool | 16:27 |
| lbt | lclc: I've not done anything there yet - but would like to see results if someone explores it | 16:27 |
| lbt | so yell if you try and get anywhere! | 16:28 |
| lclc | huh I don't know if I've got the knowledge for that. But I will google how I could access a USB from virtual box. | 16:30 |
| lclc | ATM I'm still learning that fancy QML stuff. It's hard to switch from the QWidgets for a normal developer. Great for an UI-designer but I've never liked that JS stuff | 16:32 |
| GentSir | I've never used JS... | 16:32 |
| lbt | lclc: it's a pretty good discipline - helps you focus on the ui/logic interface | 16:34 |
| lbt | GentSir: don't be scared of it - I barely used it before QML/Js - it's not the best language out there but it is a pragmatic choice | 16:35 |
| lclc | yes I like the idea of splitting UI & logic and I hope one day we will see as many QML designers as HTML designers, that the Qt developer doesn't have to do the UI stuff anymore ;D | 16:36 |
| GentSir | lbt, JS is really only for interface stuff, right? | 16:36 |
| GentSir | and agreed, I've always split my logic/interface code, even in purely CLI programs | 16:36 |
| lbt | GentSir: well - the design intention is that js is for ui. Have you *met* any developers? | 16:38 |
| lbt | what do you think the chances are that they'll port Doom3 to the JS inside a QML model? | 16:38 |
| GentSir | lbt, I've never met a programmer better than myself in person, and I'm not that good | 16:38 |
| GentSir | It's a phone that geeks love, Quake is a requirement | 16:39 |
| lbt | Ogre3D is on it already | 16:39 |
| lbt | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGW4sw6qB5E | 16:39 |
| lbt | that's just on the emulator | 16:40 |
| GentSir | Very nice | 16:41 |
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| lclc | lbt: Will there be a share/edit function in the image viewer? As in android: After I made a picture and have a look at that picture I'm able to share or edit it with another programm through the button in the top rigth corner. I'd need something like that for my app-idea | 16:45 |
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| sardini | niavnsu | 16:47 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | lclc: depends on devs | 16:49 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | on you maybe | 16:49 |
| lclc | Sfiet_Konstatin: As I saw that they already created the default image viewer (in the demo videos) I expect that one will be included. Anyway I though there doing all basic/starting/default apps by themself? | 16:50 |
| lbt | lclc: so I can't comment on the sailfish device apps. One of the SDK examples is a photo gallery so you can use that for a basis :) | 16:52 |
| GentSir | lclc, don't expect too much on a first release either | 16:52 |
| GentSir | Remember android version 1? | 16:52 |
| lclc | nope, didn't have one. Until Nexus 4 few months ago. | 16:55 |
| GentSir | Then you missed out on all the ugly of android | 16:55 |
| GentSir | I had a G1 | 16:55 |
| GentSir | So,I just found out it is possible to "drive" the android SMS service remotely, but it pretty much requires writing a new messsaging app. That's all I'll say | 16:57 |
| lclc | lbt: for using the code of the demo application in our own application we only have to put the copyright notice somewhere, apart from that I'm free to do with the code what I want? like Apache? | 17:01 |
| lbt | hmm good question - it should be licensed clearly | 17:02 |
| lbt | grr - my dev version doesn't have the sample code in it so I can't easily check | 17:02 |
| lclc | Yes it has some licence text there, but it's something homebrewed. Actually it's quite clear, but Apache or MIT would have been easier since most people know these | 17:04 |
| lbt | eww ... | 17:04 |
| lclc | http://pastebin.com/4T6n98i0 | 17:04 |
| lbt | http://opensource.org/licenses/BSD-2-Clause | 17:05 |
| lbt | I've had this myself - it would be nice if it said "BSD 2-Clause" or something | 17:06 |
| lclc | ahhh | 17:06 |
| lclc | yes would be easier^^ | 17:06 |
| GentSir | As long as it's not GPL | 17:08 |
| GentSir | i love FOSS, but the GPL is awful | 17:09 |
| GentSir | lbt, the arguments weren't as simple as the example you gave, but you can send texts on android in a very similar manner to how you described | 17:28 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | ping Morpog_Mobile | 21:31 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Sfiet_Konstantin: pong | 21:39 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Morpog_Mobile: do you still have a link to the firefox browser on sailfish ? | 21:40 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | SDK ? | 21:40 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I have some HW to be tested | 21:40 |
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| Morpog_Mobile | Sure, you can also ask rozhkov to do a new build | 21:41 |
| Morpog_Mobile | On mozilla irc #embedlite | 21:42 |
| Morpog_Mobile | http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/rojkov:/branches:/CE:/Apps/CE_MW_Shared_i486/i486/ | 21:43 |
| Morpog_Mobile | It's an old build, but useable | 21:44 |
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| Morpog_Mobile | U need 4 files from there | 21:44 |
| Morpog_Mobile | http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/rojkov:/branches:/CE:/Apps/CE_MW_Shared_i486/i486/embedlite-components-0.1-4.1.Nemo.Apps.i486.rpm | 21:45 |
| Morpog_Mobile | http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/rojkov:/branches:/CE:/Apps/CE_MW_Shared_i486/i486/libqtmozembed-0.1-3.2.Nemo.Apps.i486.rpm | 21:45 |
| Morpog_Mobile | http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/rojkov:/branches:/CE:/Apps/CE_MW_Shared_i486/i486/qmlmozbrowser-0.1-8.2.Nemo.Apps.i486.rpm | 21:46 |
| Morpog_Mobile | http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/rojkov:/branches:/CE:/Apps/CE_MW_Shared_i486/i486/xulrunner-22.0a1-16.1.Nemo.Apps.i486.rpm | 21:46 |
| Morpog_Mobile | and you need to modifie the sh that starts the browser from desktop link | 21:47 |
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| Morpog_Mobile | add -fullscreen to it | 21:47 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | interesting | 21:47 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | will check that | 21:47 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but let me play puzzle master | 21:47 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | will add that as a repo | 21:49 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | will be easier | 21:49 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | thanks Morpog_Mobile :) | 21:55 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | installing right now :) | 21:55 |
| Morpog_Mobile | You're welcome | 21:55 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | FYI, I finally managed to run Sailfish with HW accel on the iconia tab | 21:56 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and it is AWESOME !! | 21:56 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | so smooth | 21:56 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | even if the HW is old and abandonned | 21:56 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Mmmh me wants too :-) | 21:56 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | with W8 laptops, you might be able to get some decent HW to run Mer / Nemo / Sailfish | 21:57 |
| Morpog_Mobile | I stillhave the feeling that the first jolla hw will have a mobile atom cpu | 21:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | awesome | 21:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | now a webbrowser :) | 21:59 |
| Morpog_Mobile | U should ask rozhkov for a new build | 21:59 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Better ui on that | 21:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is fast | 22:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | firefox is fast | 22:00 |
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| Morpog_Mobile | On harmattan too | 22:00 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Ipclite is awesome | 22:00 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Xul made firefox slow | 22:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | i see | 22:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | mozembed do not use xul ? | 22:01 |
| Morpog_Mobile | No | 22:01 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Qml ui | 22:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Morpog_Mobile: I'm not sure about atom cpu | 22:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | puzzlemaster is a game for tablet btw | 22:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is awesome on Iconia | 22:01 |
| Morpog_Mobile | I like it on my n9 too | 22:02 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I'm rather curious | 22:02 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | can the iconia tab become a huge phone | 22:02 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | huge huge phone ? | 22:02 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :P | 22:02 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Lol | 22:02 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Does it have a cellphone modem? | 22:02 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | no | 22:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | btw, i'm really surprised because accelerometer inside is managed | 22:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | out of the box | 22:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | meego-terminal turns itself | 22:03 |
| Morpog_Mobile | U should do a youtube video of that iconia tab with hw acceleration | 22:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Morpog_Mobile: I will indeed | 22:04 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Nice | 22:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and I will write the tuto as well | 22:04 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Get some more apps to showcase | 22:04 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Like gpodder | 22:05 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and btw, so fast | 22:05 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | SO FAST to boot | 22:05 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | seriously | 22:05 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | <5s | 22:05 |
| Morpog_Mobile | And use ambiance changer ;-) | 22:05 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Thats fast | 22:06 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Harmattan is like a turtle | 22:06 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hehe :) | 22:06 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I'm eagerly wating for Sailfish device | 22:07 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Who is not? :-) | 22:07 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | these stuff, like hacking the iconia tab, they are just here for teasing us | 22:07 |
| Morpog_Mobile | It works | 22:08 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I bet the Jolla device is way more tastier | 22:08 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | funnier, prettier, more awesome | 22:08 |
| Morpog_Mobile | I just hope the core apps are better thanonn9 | 22:08 |
| fireglow | would sailfish run on a nexus 4, for example? | 22:09 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Theoretically when arm based stuff is around | 22:09 |
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| Morpog_Mobile | Hw adaption is hard | 22:10 |
| fireglow | hmm | 22:10 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it worked on GNEX | 22:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (nemo) | 22:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | so not that hard then | 22:12 |
| Morpog_Mobile | With everything working? | 22:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Morpog_Mobile: no | 22:12 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | Dunno | 22:12 |
| Morpog_Mobile | See :) | 22:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | anyway | 22:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | if you want it to work | 22:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | then fight for it | 22:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I don't like HW adaptation | 22:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but I wanted Sailfish SDK on iconia | 22:13 |
| Morpog_Mobile | I just get a jolla device ;) | 22:13 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Yeah, cool stuff | 22:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Morpog_Mobile: :) | 22:14 |
| Morpog_Mobile | I just don't own anything x86 based with touch | 22:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | i know | 22:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | that's the problem actually | 22:15 |
| Morpog_Mobile | I'mlooking forward to sailfishos on my nexus 7 | 22:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | oooh well, that's an easy adaptation | 22:15 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Adaption is ready already | 22:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ubuntu guys have done that | 22:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | why not nemo sailfish | 22:16 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Plasma and nemo runs on it | 22:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | then it is very easy | 22:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | just wait for arm | 22:16 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Yep | 22:16 |
| Morpog_Mobile | I hope nemo adapts silica | 22:17 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Then you woild have core aps from nemo im sailfish style | 22:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I don't know | 22:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | not sure at all | 22:18 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Damn android vkb | 22:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | don't even think so | 22:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | aps ? :D | 22:18 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Lol | 22:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I'm waiting for Sailfish apps now | 22:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | because Sailfish is just so pretty | 22:19 |
| Morpog_Mobile | You think they will open source them? | 22:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | silica ? | 22:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | the sailfish components ? | 22:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is said that it will be oss | 22:20 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Saiofish apps | 22:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sailfish core apps ? | 22:20 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Silica yes | 22:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | dunno | 22:20 |
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