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| T4 | <Ponchale> hi | 03:24 |
| T4 | <deedend> Any news from the Volla community meeting? | 06:34 |
| T4 | <deedend> Oh, damn it's too early, bloody timezones | 06:35 |
| T4 | <Nokius> It will start again 1.5 | 06:38 |
| T4 | <Nokius> [Edit] It will start again 1.5h | 06:45 |
| T4 | Ponchale was added by: Ponchale | 08:28 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> 16 | 08:28 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> Hi | 08:28 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> I have always had a great interest in Nemo in hosting him and working in the | 08:29 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> nice to meet my name is Alfonso | 08:29 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> or Ponchale | 08:29 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> A long time ago I met locusf, and good we would love to host, or host the project in the Astian project and so get it out and do exactly the same as UBports made that is to take the project forward. | 08:36 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> What do the people who have seen the message say? | 08:37 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> [Edit] We founded the Astian Foundation and the Astian Corporation and we want and are willing to work on the project | 08:39 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> you are welcome | 08:42 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Roadmap_new | 08:43 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> you can pick any task | 08:44 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> @akaWolf Thanks for your answer 😊 I mean to join the project with the foundation | 08:46 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> I'm not sure what you mean. if you are willing to work at Nemo Mobile project, I give you a list of actual tasks. just pick any and solve it. what are you talking about? | 08:49 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> @akaWolf [I'm not sure what you mean. if you are willing …], You remember what the browser qupzilla join in the KDE? | 08:50 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> And after that union, did Falkon start calling? | 08:50 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> yep. so?... | 08:51 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> Does the same but without renaming the project, is to say that Nemo enter or join the foundation | 08:52 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> why do you want this? and what kind of benefits it brings to Nemo? | 08:53 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> Why? Because the world needs something different from the monopoly of Google and Apple privacy must return to the Internet | 08:54 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> you can work at Nemo without «joining» to accomplish that goal | 08:55 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> Already several foundations are wanting to do this like for example and Foundation that is developing Eelo | 08:55 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> still don't see any logical reasons. | 08:55 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> @akaWolf [still don't see any logical reasons.], A reason to unite us? Well A reason to unite us? | 08:56 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> a reason to join any foundation | 08:57 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> code is open. you are free to contribute | 08:58 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> you are free to fork and so on | 09:00 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> @akaWolf [a reason to join any foundation], 1 at market share level can be an opportunity for Nemo because Latin America needs a good system | 09:00 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> 2 best team organization investment in the system resources, staff, dedicated developers | 09:01 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> @akaWolf [you are free to fork and so on], Yes sure yes but we don't really help on the contrary we do damage by fragmentation | 09:01 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> why do you want this? you can contribute now. staff, developers and so on. | 09:03 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> As I said before I have always had in enormous interest in Nemo is different innovators and has the ability to change many things | 09:04 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> 100% Open, and if we add that it has the ability to promote privacy without invasive services such as Google wow | 09:05 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> but what will change joining? you can contribute all resources right there right now. | 09:05 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> [Edit] but what will change joining? you can commit all resources right there right now. | 09:07 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> Not really change anything that already is, the name will remain the same, the team structure the subproject everything will remain exactly the same | 09:08 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> What will change is the organization of the project | 09:08 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> That has an Internet domain for example nemo.com | 09:09 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> Advertising | 09:09 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> Events in Latin America to promote it to be known | 09:09 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> Campaigns to develop our own device | 09:10 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> Project organization work Teams | 09:10 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> The philosophy of the project would be just as it would change is that and good the fact that now the foundation would be responsible | 09:11 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> We can try... Together and take this great project forward | 09:18 |
| r0kk3rz | hi @Ponchale, you will want to talk to people like locusf faenil neochapay and eekkelund if you want to change the organisation of nemo | 09:19 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> The truth stop talking to locusf when he started working with Jolla | 09:23 |
| r0kk3rz | locusf no longer works with jolla, hasnt done for a long time | 09:23 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> When you will be available? | 09:24 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> @r0kk3rz [locusf no longer works with jolla, hasnt done …], In his Twitter profile I saw that I create a company related to the blockchain | 09:24 |
| r0kk3rz | but anyway, nemo mobile project is quite informal | 09:25 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> Mmmmm hopefully see my message and we can talk | 09:25 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> @r0kk3rz [but anyway, nemo mobile project is quite infor …], This is also what we want to change it to a formal project | 09:26 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> More organized and so begin to grow | 09:27 |
| r0kk3rz | sure, but doing organisation level change is hard without a formal leadership | 09:29 |
| r0kk3rz | right now there is some advertising and events going on, so theres nothing stopping you from doing that in your region | 09:31 |
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| r0kk3rz | and why nemo? and not like ubports or plasma touch | 09:32 |
| T4 | <faenil> I am still a bit confused :) | 12:06 |
| T4 | <neochapay> @r0kk3rz [and why nemo? and not like ubports or plasma t …], Because ubports sucks :) | 12:24 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> @r0kk3rz [and why nemo? and not like ubports or plasma t …], Nemo is better | 14:33 |
| T4 | <DibyaXP> <r0kk3rz> and why nemo? and not like ubports or plasma touch … Because Ubuntu touch sucks | 14:36 |
| T4 | <K31j0> @neochapay [Because ubports sucks :)], This man is right | 14:36 |
| T4 | <K31j0> They are just doing what canonical did, but all over again | 14:37 |
| T4 | <K31j0> Also no proper package manager + ro rootfs | 14:37 |
| T4 | <K31j0> Not my kind of OS | 14:37 |
| T4 | <DibyaXP> @K31j0 … Ui of Ubuntu touch is horrible believe me | 14:38 |
| T4 | <faenil> Ubports had plenty of man-hours invested by Canonical (I was working there at the time) to make it production ready...Nemo never had that, at UI level :( | 14:38 |
| T4 | <K31j0> @DibyaXP [@K31j0 … Ui of Ubuntu touch is horrible believe …], Never tried it | 14:39 |
| T4 | <faenil> [Edit] Ubuntu Touch/Phone (now ubports) had plenty of man-hours invested by Canonical (I was working there at the time) to make it production ready...Nemo never had that, at UI level :( | 14:39 |
| T4 | <K31j0> I don't have a compatible device | 14:39 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> I personally think that Nemo is superior | 14:39 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> @DibyaXP [@K31j0 … Ui of Ubuntu touch is horrible believe …], True | 14:39 |
| T4 | <DibyaXP> I used it on my one plus one , Ubuntu sucks , something from 1870 | 14:39 |
| T4 | <K31j0> IMO Ubuntu was good up until 10.04 | 14:40 |
| T4 | <K31j0> Then they tried to be the Apple of Linux | 14:40 |
| T4 | <K31j0> And failed miserably | 14:40 |
| T4 | <DibyaXP> Personally using Kubuntu | 14:41 |
| T4 | <DibyaXP> But I will switch to lubuntu with LXQt | 14:41 |
| T4 | <K31j0> I use Gentoo with i3, because I have a big monitor and I can't find a distro that suits me | 14:42 |
| T4 | <DibyaXP> I see | 14:42 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> So what does the community think about my proposal? | 14:42 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> locusf? | 14:42 |
| T4 | <DibyaXP> Too be honest I am windows developer professionally so I use windows most of the time . … All windows after XP is horrible so I am still stuck on Visual Studio 2010 , barely boots up my laptop to windows 10 , most of the time kubuntu does my job | 14:44 |
| T4 | <DibyaXP> @Ponchale [So what does the community think about my prop …], I think you guys shall contribute something to development then @neochapay and other may agree | 14:45 |
| T4 | <K31j0> Need to have a look at the roadmap, but I suck at having time to do things | 14:47 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> @K31j0 [Need to have a look at the roadmap, but I suck …], If the same community says things like this it's sad to see such an interesting innovative and revolutionary project and read these words | 15:18 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> @neochapay We can talk and determine how it would be best to proceed | 15:19 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> Steps to follow who will enter the foundation | 15:19 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> Commitments and responsibilities of the foundation | 15:20 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> you can do the same without any move to foundation | 15:22 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> you can make site, plan roadmap, commit to code | 15:23 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> [Edit] you can do the same without any movement to foundation | 15:24 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> @akaWolf [you can make site, plan roadmap, commit to cod …], It's not just the code, it's the project | 15:25 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> I'll settle for the community to think about it | 15:25 |
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| T4 | <akaWolf> yep. and it's open. choose a task, discuss with community and do that task. don't see any problems here. | 15:27 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> So we can begin to think as a project as an organization and establish a North we do not want to make a fork because that would not help the project fragmentation is a fact that we should avoid | 15:29 |
| T4 | <DibyaXP> No need , github is their , so please provide commits for now | 15:30 |
| T4 | <DibyaXP> Let the community decide | 15:33 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> yeah. nothing stop you from make an contributions | 15:34 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> [Edit] yeah. nothing stops you from making an contributions | 15:34 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> no need to fork. | 15:34 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> just commit into existing code base | 15:35 |
| T4 | <DibyaXP> I get sketchy when sometimes people wants to start a foundation or company for a opensource project , I worried because people shall remember what happened to cyanogen | 15:35 |
| T4 | <DibyaXP> As long as nemo foundation will be open and non profit I have no concern | 15:36 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> [Edit] yeah. nothing stops you from making a contributions | 15:38 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> @DibyaXP [I get sketchy when sometimes people wants to …], It will not happen the same believe me and we are not some of us since 2016 working for free and open source software | 15:38 |
| T4 | <DibyaXP> I believe you guys then | 15:38 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> it's not about trust | 15:38 |
| T4 | <DibyaXP> @akaWolf [it's not about trust], Its all about contribution | 15:39 |
| T4 | <neochapay> @Ponchale [@neochapay We can talk and determine how it wo …], Tomorrow plz all questions tomorrow | 15:39 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> you are free to make a project better. | 15:39 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> no restrictions | 15:40 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> from your words nothing will change after that movement | 15:40 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> @akaWolf [you are free to make a project better.], I don't think you're understanding me. | 15:43 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> Although from the beginning you're suggesting that I understand your position | 15:44 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> But we are not going to contribute to project fragmentation from continuing to grow. Do | 15:44 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> @DibyaXP [As long as nemo foundation will be open and n …], Does the Nemo Foundation exist? | 15:58 |
| T4 | <DibyaXP> Nope | 15:58 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> @DibyaXP [Nope], AAAAA ok OK, so I think we have an opportunity not only to work together but to organize the project | 15:59 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> Here at Astian we are a foundation and a corporation the corporation has the mission to be part financial and manage all the finances of the foundation something like we do Mozilla | 16:00 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> who is the owner of http://www.nemomobile.org/ | 16:44 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> ? | 16:44 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> https://www.astian.org/es/2019/05/19/astian-se-une-mer-y-nemo-mobile/ | 19:25 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> still not clear for me why you can't contribute without that bureaucracy | 19:28 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> you can request access to nemo mobile site or make your own | 19:28 |
| T4 | <neochapay> @akaWolf [still not clear for me why you can't contribut …], You can't contribute because you always just rubling | 19:29 |
| T4 | <neochapay> @akaWolf [still not clear for me why you can't contribut …], [Edit] You can't contribute because you always just rumbling | 19:30 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> I'm about Alfonso thoughts | 19:30 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> @akaWolf [you can request access to nemo mobile site or …], 🤦♂️ I have already said several times that we are not interested in realizing a fork of the project | 19:30 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> it will not be a fork. just commit to existing code base. | 19:30 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> @neochapay [You can't contribute because you always just r …], I did not understand, what do you mean? | 19:31 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> @Ponchale [I did not understand, what do you mean?], it's our internal, nvm | 19:31 |
| T4 | <neochapay> @Ponchale [I did not understand, what do you mean?], They guy just talking about nothing always | 19:32 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> @neochapay [They guy just talking about nothing always], Who? I'm sorry I got lost in the conversation | 19:33 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> @Ponchale [Who? I'm sorry I got lost in the conversation], because it's not related to conversations | 19:33 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> @Ponchale [Who? I'm sorry I got lost in the conversation], [Edit] because it's not related to conversation | 19:34 |
| T4 | <neochapay> @akaWolf always talking but newer make any code | 19:34 |
| T4 | <neochapay> It just Communist | 19:34 |
| T4 | <neochapay> Like Lev Trotsky | 19:35 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> @neochapay do only code without any thoughts in common. | 19:35 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> aaaaa ok ok Understand | 19:35 |
| T4 | <neochapay> Revolution for Revolution | 19:35 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> stop that shit, man =) | 19:35 |
| T4 | <neochapay> I don't like you way | 19:36 |
| T4 | <neochapay> Sorry | 19:36 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> no need to write that each time at the channel | 19:36 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> me and all here are always well aware about your opinion | 19:37 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> hope you understand that | 19:37 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> [Edit] me and all here are already well aware about your opinion | 19:37 |
| T4 | <neochapay> I just want make code just for fun like Linus | 19:37 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> the world is a little bit more complex then just do something for fun | 19:38 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> @neochapay I understand what is Sunday here, but I'll be up late to talk with you and the community, I saw that Necunos also has an interest in Nemo he wants to exploit commercially but Astian wants Nemo to be a more organized and growing project, so I'll be there to talk | 19:38 |
| T4 | <neochapay> I not understand about what you talking | 19:39 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> @neochapay [I just want make code just for fun like Linus], I suggest you to read Animal farm and take a look at Boxer character | 19:41 |
| T4 | <neochapay> Sorry guys today i go to sleeping. And tomorrow i try fix some things | 19:41 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> @neochapay [I not understand about what you talking], for a few hours I exposed to the community the possibility of joining the Nemo to join Astian | 19:42 |
| T4 | <samzn> lots of new messages | 19:42 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> writing code is definitely required, but it will not solve underlying problems. | 19:42 |
| T4 | <samzn> is there drama going on | 19:42 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> so it is difficult to establish an assertive communication to reach something or make a decision | 19:44 |
| T4 | <neochapay> @Ponchale [for a few hours I exposed to the community the …], Wtf is Astian? | 19:45 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> [Edit] so it is difficult to establish an assertive communication to reach something or make a decision and it's frustrating up to a point | 19:46 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> @neochapay [Wtf is Astian?], https://www.astian.org/es/2019/05/19/astian-se-une-mer-y-nemo-mobile/ | 19:46 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> @neochapay [Wtf is Astian?], Non-profit foundation dedicated to the development of software and free technologies | 19:47 |
| T4 | <neochapay> @Ponchale [https://www.astian.org/es/2019/05/19/astian-se …], Suite not available in Russia :))) | 19:47 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> Suite¡? | 19:49 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> site | 19:50 |
| T4 | <neochapay> Site | 19:50 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> aaaaaaa | 19:50 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> the proposal is for Nemo to join to Astian and thus we can better organize the project to allocate resources, marketing advertising alliances with Latin manufacturers etc etc | 19:51 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> @neochapay basically that is the proposal | 19:51 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> in my vision you can do the same without joining | 19:52 |
| T4 | <neochapay> @Ponchale [@neochapay basically that is the proposal], Ok you will make code :) | 19:53 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> @neochapay [Ok you will make code :)], they wanna some kind of movement | 19:53 |
| T4 | <neochapay> @akaWolf [they wanna some kind of movement], Good luck :) | 19:54 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> @neochapay [Ok you will make code :)], the code, alliances for companies to use Nemo, dedicate full time dedicated developers etc | 19:54 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> the question is - why do you need that join? | 19:55 |
| T4 | <neochapay> Good night everybody | 19:55 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> good night | 19:55 |
| T4 | <eekkelund> Me, as community member, I don't see any benefit joining Astian Foundation, like @locusf didn't see in 2016. We have no information about this Astian Foundation or Astian Corporation, who is working there, who is financing it, why obsession with Nemo Mobile, how would we as community benefit. I only can see Astian Corporation or you Alf | 19:55 |
| T4 | onso benefiting from this. What could be intresting and maybe beneficial for Nemo Mobile community would be to create own Foundation, maybe German nonprofit. e.V. like Kde, UBports or Maemo Community. That foundation could possibly have collaboration wirh Astian Foundation, depending what its possible board decides. … And what comes to bad Necunos | 19:55 |
| T4 | guys I happen to know that, in addition of donating their device for Nemo development, their employee is in progress of releasing updates to Nemo Mobile, actual code. … Sorry I have to turn my phone off as I am in plane coming from Nemo/UBports hackathon. | 19:55 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> @akaWolf [in my vision you can do the same without joini …], Imagine if it is difficult to reach a decision as it would be something bigger? | 19:56 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> @eekkelund [Me, as community member, I don't see any benef …], Well, I appreciate your honesty and at least open up the possibility of collaborating in the future if a foundation or organization of your own was created | 19:58 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> I agree with the point of @eekkelund … not sure why even we might have a need some foundation at that stage. … the process of making the decisions is quite simple for now - just do something, it will be already good | 19:59 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> I already understood the point of the community, they are not interested ok ok I have been rejected once again but calm nothing happens | 20:00 |
| T4 | <samzn> Huehuei just got kicked out Google Play Services support | 20:00 |
| T4 | <samzn> Maybe they will license nemo 🙂 | 20:00 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> @Ponchale [I already understood the point of the communit …], you are free to make a project better without any foundation. really. | 20:01 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> you can have a dedicated developers, devices and so on right now | 20:02 |
| T4 | <samzn> Nemo license is pretty liberal | 20:02 |
| T4 | <akaWolf> yep | 20:02 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> possibly in the past the same thing happened with Debian and Ubuntu nobody knew that it was Canonical and still decided to create something based on Debian, the sad thing is that sometimes the free software community is the one that puts the most obstacles | 20:04 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> but I appreciate your words and I appreciate the fact that you read me :-) | 20:04 |
| T4 | <samzn> classical paradigms of FOSS development are long gone | 20:04 |
| T4 | <samzn> as in obstacles | 20:05 |
| T4 | <GranPC> @samzn [Maybe they will license nemo 🙂], no need | 20:05 |
| T4 | <GranPC> they've been working on their own os for a long time | 20:05 |
| T4 | <samzn> ya i know | 20:05 |
| T4 | <samzn> just putting some banter to the discussion | 20:05 |
| T4 | <GranPC> they're fucked either way | 20:05 |
| T4 | <GranPC> the average user wants a whatsapp and instagram device that also happens to place phone calls and run other software | 20:05 |
| T4 | <samzn> they can still run whichever chinese branch of AOSP they are already doing in china | 20:06 |
| T4 | <GranPC> yeah, with their own app store | 20:06 |
| T4 | <GranPC> which would not have any facebook software in it, which means no whatsapp, which means no sale | 20:06 |
| T4 | <GranPC> (facebook is also an american company and as such they cannot deal with huawei) | 20:07 |
| T4 | <samzn> remember when zuck wanted to sell his baby to Xi Jinping in exchange to access to the chinese market lmao | 20:07 |
| T4 | <GranPC> what | 20:07 |
| T4 | <GranPC> oh boy | 20:07 |
| T4 | <samzn> https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/china-s-president-xi-jinping-turns-down-mark-zuckerberg-s-request-to-name-his-unborn-child-at-white-a6679156.html | 20:08 |
| T4 | <eekkelund> @Ponchale [Well, I appreciate your honesty and at least o …], But I am just member of the community, these were my own thoughts. Of course more organized project could be beneficial but joining to other foundation / corporation is questionable in my opinion. … Its nice to see that Nemo Mobile has intrest. | 20:48 |
| T4 | <eekkelund> @GranPC [they've been working on their own os for a lon …], Maybe the HiOS with tsaikka-core o.O | 20:49 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> @eekkelund [But I am just member of the community, these w …], The truth is that would enter the foundation the Corporation is just the financial part of the foundation | 20:49 |
| T4 | <Ponchale> We apply the same model that has Mozilla plus nothing but everything will always be free and open | 20:50 |
| T4 | <samzn> making Nemo for-profit would certainly be interesting to supercharge it | 23:48 |
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