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| locusf | morning | 05:27 |
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| locusf | https://github.com/M4rtinK/universal-components | 05:44 |
| locusf | lets start sending pr's that way for glacier | 05:44 |
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| spiiroin | fyi/review appreciated: https://github.com/nemomobile/mce/pull/250 | 09:07 |
| spiiroin | ^ allows resetting mce settings to defaults without restarting the service | 09:07 |
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| tbr | locusf: did you make a new kernel or image? | 09:29 |
| locusf | tbr: not yet, at work right now | 09:29 |
| tbr | kk | 09:29 |
| locusf | tbr: I forgot to add minnowboard config yesterrday + mer warnings | 09:29 |
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| tbr | but 3.18 should work pretty well on the max | 09:30 |
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| locusf | hope so | 09:40 |
| locusf | tbr: what do you thing about the EFI_STUB config, should I add thatas well? | 09:40 |
| dr_gogeta86 | morning guys | 09:41 |
| tbr | locusf: no idea if that's necessary. I haven't done much on UEFI either | 09:43 |
| locusf | tbr: ok | 09:45 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | locusf, patch accepted and rejected for kbuild | 09:53 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | https://github.com/nemomobile-packages/kbuild/pull/1 | 09:54 |
| locusf | dr_gogeta86: yeah I saw, good job | 09:59 |
| dr_gogeta86 | next thing ? | 09:59 |
| dr_gogeta86 | for example | 09:59 |
| dr_gogeta86 | we lack rotation | 09:59 |
| locusf | I'm building a image for M4rtinK to do | 09:59 |
| locusf | if we do rotation then Jolla might use that as well for Sailfish | 10:00 |
| dr_gogeta86 | any way to test audio | 10:00 |
| dr_gogeta86 | nfg-client | 10:00 |
| locusf | if you think your confident enough to test rotation then please do :) | 10:00 |
| dr_gogeta86 | seems play but i don't hear any | 10:00 |
| locusf | okay | 10:00 |
| locusf | well thats another issue we have to tackle | 10:00 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i think audio | 10:01 |
| dr_gogeta86 | and keyboad input | 10:01 |
| dr_gogeta86 | *keyboard | 10:01 |
| dr_gogeta86 | need to be fixed first | 10:01 |
| faenil | morning people o/ | 10:01 |
| dr_gogeta86 | hi faenil | 10:01 |
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| locusf | faenil: I put things in motion with M4rtinK about the universal components, he'll be getting a VM this evening to test glacier on | 10:12 |
| dr_gogeta86 | locusf mine build is hosted on a public server | 10:12 |
| dr_gogeta86 | if you want | 10:12 |
| locusf | dr_gogeta86: oh great, saves me the upload, is it recent? | 10:13 |
| dr_gogeta86 | yesterday evening | 10:13 |
| dr_gogeta86 | with mine repo added | 10:13 |
| faenil | locusf: cool, to have glacier modrana? | 10:13 |
| dr_gogeta86 | hahaha | 10:13 |
| locusf | dr_gogeta86: excellent, do you have the url? | 10:13 |
| dr_gogeta86 | if you want | 10:13 |
| dr_gogeta86 | I can refresh | 10:13 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i got full mer sdk there | 10:13 |
| locusf | faenil: well that and generally the UC is a way we could use our nemo apps in sailfish too | 10:14 |
| locusf | dr_gogeta86: I guess I just need the Nemo VM right now | 10:14 |
| dr_gogeta86 | ok | 10:14 |
| dr_gogeta86 | time to get the urs | 10:14 |
| dr_gogeta86 | time to get the urls | 10:14 |
| faenil | locusf: you mean use those components to do all glacier apps? | 10:14 |
| dr_gogeta86 | faenil, i begin to hate telecomitalia and italian MIXes | 10:17 |
| faenil | hehe | 10:34 |
| locusf | faenil: well I don't know yet | 10:39 |
| faenil | that's something nice, but at first sight I'd say it wouldn't work, even Martin knows that universal components means compromising | 10:39 |
| locusf | faenil: well lets discuss in the evening, I have invited him to a meeting about it today | 10:40 |
| faenil | sur | 10:40 |
| faenil | sure | 10:40 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | locusf, two minute and you got image | 11:44 |
| locusf | dr_gogeta86: okay thanks | 11:44 |
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| locusf | tbr: you may want to try out this package for the kernel: https://build.merproject.org/package/binary/home:locusf:x86-minnowboard-adaptation/kernel-adaptation-pc?arch=x86_64&filename=kernel-adaptation-pc-3.18.6-1.6.1.x86_64.rpm&repository=Core_x86_64 | 13:30 |
| tbr | by that you mean this: http://repo.merproject.org/obs/home:/locusf:/x86-minnowboard-adaptation/Core_x86_64/x86_64/kernel-adaptation-pc-3.18.6-1.6.1.x86_64.rpm | 13:32 |
| locusf | tbr: yes | 13:32 |
| locusf | if you extract that rpm you get the kernel | 13:32 |
| * tbr gets it and proceeds to slipstream it into the existing SD-card | 13:32 | |
| tbr | yup | 13:32 |
| locusf | oh yeah the modules might not work though | 13:32 |
| locusf | oh well | 13:32 |
| tbr | if modules are in the RPM I'll fix them too. btdt | 13:33 |
| locusf | ok | 13:33 |
| tbr | if not we'll at least see if it boots now | 13:33 |
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| tbr | hrm, still Error loading \vmlinuz-3.18.6-1.6.1: Unsupported | 13:47 |
| locusf | damn | 13:48 |
| locusf | well I forgot the EFI_STUB | 13:48 |
| tbr | yes, saw that | 13:48 |
| locusf | it is now 64bits | 13:48 |
| locusf | isn't it? | 13:49 |
| tbr | yes, the config says so | 13:49 |
| tbr | the tizen kernel has stub set | 13:49 |
| locusf | ok | 13:49 |
| tbr | if you spin one with that changed I can try it right away | 13:50 |
| locusf | https://build.merproject.org/package/live_build_log/home:locusf:x86-minnowboard-adaptation/kernel-adaptation-pc/Core_x86_64/x86_64 just watch here | 13:50 |
| tbr | yes, that was my intention :) | 13:51 |
| locusf | ok :) | 13:51 |
| * tbr waits for publisher to do its job | 13:52 | |
| locusf | argh error | 13:52 |
| tbr | ah, STUB has dependencies :) | 13:52 |
| locusf | ok rebuilding, brb | 13:56 |
| tbr | watching it :) | 13:59 |
| tbr | ding! | 14:04 |
| * tbr waits for publisher to pick them up | 14:05 | |
| faenil | :D | 14:05 |
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| tbr | ok, no error message this time. time to wire things up with a display | 14:18 |
| faenil | yay | 14:19 |
| locusf | nice | 14:22 |
| dr_gogeta86 | http://www.nrg-lab.com/nemovm-20150217.img.tar.bz2 | 14:29 |
| dr_gogeta86 | bring it while hot | 14:29 |
| locusf | excellent, thanks dr_gogeta86 :) | 14:30 |
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| locusf | CPU: 0 PID: 1 Comm: swapper/0 Not tainted 3.18.6-1.8.1 #1 | 14:32 |
| locusf | getting this in my uefi | 14:33 |
| locusf | + stack trace | 14:33 |
| * tbr will have a video uploaded in a few minutes | 14:33 | |
| tbr | of Nemomobile booting on the minnowmax to … *drumroll* | 14:33 |
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| locusf | woot it worked out of the box ? | 14:34 |
| tbr | let me just do some ffmpeg conversion real quick TM | 14:35 |
| vgrade | \o/ | 14:38 |
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| tbr | sigh 2fps makes this take a while. probably 10min or so | 14:43 |
| locusf | dr_gogeta86: I get an error opening the nemovm.img | 14:52 |
| locusf | invalid disk image or something | 14:52 |
| locusf | virtualbox 4.3x | 14:52 |
| dr_gogeta86 | did you convert it to vdi | 14:52 |
| dr_gogeta86 | ? | 14:52 |
| locusf | ah no | 14:52 |
| tbr | soon™ | 14:53 |
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| locusf | like a charm | 14:54 |
| locusf | dr_gogeta86: as you said, it works, nice job! | 14:54 |
| dr_gogeta86 | remember to mcetool -g disabled | 14:58 |
| dr_gogeta86 | mcetool -u disabled | 14:58 |
| dr_gogeta86 | otherwise you cant go out from lockscreen | 14:58 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | pulsaudio sink list see virtualized sound card | 14:59 |
| locusf | how do I get out of the lockscreen, doubleclick? | 15:02 |
| dr_gogeta86 | no | 15:02 |
| dr_gogeta86 | alt f2 | 15:02 |
| dr_gogeta86 | user nemo | 15:02 |
| dr_gogeta86 | pass nemo | 15:02 |
| dr_gogeta86 | commands | 15:02 |
| dr_gogeta86 | alt f1 | 15:03 |
| dr_gogeta86 | and swipe from left border | 15:03 |
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| locusf | ok | 15:05 |
| tbr | locusf: http://images.devaamo.fi/nemo/minnowmax/firstboot.html | 15:05 |
| tbr | video is fullhd (from a jolla) so you might see more blur if you go to fullscreen ;) | 15:06 |
| locusf | I'm full cheer here \o/ | 15:07 |
| locusf | I'm amazed it booted to graphics | 15:07 |
| * tbr takes to twatter | 15:08 | |
| locusf | yeah thats amazing | 15:08 |
| faenil | \o/ | 15:08 |
| locusf | same issue as with raspi2 which boots graphics sideways | 15:09 |
| locusf | but no matter it bleeding worked!!!!! | 15:09 |
| bencoh | oh | 15:10 |
| bencoh | neat | 15:10 |
| bencoh | dunno what to do with it though :D | 15:10 |
| bencoh | (I mean, it does seem more interesting on a phone) | 15:10 |
| Stskeeps | good work guys | 15:10 |
| locusf | well its a devboard | 15:10 |
| Stskeeps | mesa drivers? | 15:10 |
| locusf | yeah dri965 or something | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | good | 15:11 |
| vgrade | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Sailfish/Exopc has some notes on rotations, old but may work | 15:11 |
| * tbr puts it on g+ | 15:12 | |
| dr_gogeta86 | tbr can you clone this on nemo images http://www.nrg-lab.com/nemovm-20150217.img.tar.bz2 | 15:12 |
| tbr | dr_gogeta86: where to? | 15:13 |
| locusf | images.devaamo I guess | 15:13 |
| tbr | yes, but what directory? | 15:13 |
| dr_gogeta86 | nemo mobile vm | 15:13 |
| tbr | is it just a VM? | 15:13 |
| locusf | ye | 15:13 |
| dr_gogeta86 | tnx | 15:14 |
| tbr | http://images.devaamo.fi/nemo/vm/ | 15:14 |
| tbr | *ding* | 15:14 |
| faenil | :) | 15:14 |
| locusf | tbr: could you please update the minnow image? | 15:15 |
| tbr | locusf: you mean just jig in the kernel sideways instead of mic2 run? sure | 15:15 |
| locusf | yeaah | 15:15 |
| locusf | hmm I wonder if the modules are a problem now? | 15:16 |
| tbr | I put the modules there, so no | 15:16 |
| locusf | maybe dd-read the sd-card? | 15:16 |
| tbr | and I'll do so again for the official image | 15:16 |
| tbr | that's the lazy way. I have a script to access partitions of a full disk image and mount them. just need to find it. :) | 15:17 |
| locusf | ah ok :) | 15:17 |
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| locusf | tbr: does the EGL mouse work? | 15:23 |
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| tbr | locusf: no clue, how do I test it? | 15:24 |
| locusf | tbr: just plugin a mouse and wiggle it to see the cursor move | 15:24 |
| locusf | ah no that requires a evdevmouse plugin | 15:26 |
| locusf | nevermind I guess | 15:26 |
| tbr | I'll try later, currently uncompressing the image | 15:26 |
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| locusf | okay | 15:26 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | locusf, any method to play a file from cmd line | 15:35 |
| dr_gogeta86 | ? | 15:35 |
| dr_gogeta86 | gst-launch ? | 15:35 |
| tbr | locusf or anyone, if you need to do such a thing: "losetup /dev/loop0 foo.img && kpartx -a /dev/loop0" - after that you'll find /dev/mapper/loop0pX mounteable | 15:35 |
| dr_gogeta86 | +1 | 15:36 |
| dr_gogeta86 | sometimes also libguestfs is usefull | 15:36 |
| dr_gogeta86 | does it for you magicly | 15:36 |
| tbr | ok, now to dd the image to see it boots, while it compresses and uploads | 15:39 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | https://nemoux00.wordpress.com/ who is he ? | 15:39 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | locusf, a pulseaudio master is needed | 15:51 |
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| locusf | tbr: ok thanks for the info and milliard thanks for the testing aid :) | 16:02 |
| locusf | dr_gogeta86: ah ok | 16:02 |
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| tbr | hmmm, why does it now show the two penguins and list time it didn't... | 16:06 |
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| tbr | also I can see a cursor blinking on the lockscreen.... | 16:07 |
| tbr | oh welll | 16:07 |
| tbr | for a first throw it works | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: there's a kernel option for that | 16:08 |
| * tbr waits for the compression to finish | 16:08 | |
| tbr | Stskeeps: yeah, just wondering why it didn't happen with the - theoretically identical image - that I used for the video | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | if it was like c64, moving or touching the computer while it was loading.. :P | 16:09 |
| tbr | :) | 16:10 |
| tbr | hmm, running xz with the -e option takes time. film at 11 | 16:10 |
| dr_gogeta86 | ever tried pigz | 16:12 |
| locusf | vgrade: and thank you for cracking the kernel case :) | 16:16 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | paplay on sailfishos uittuka works | 16:28 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | nemovm not ? | 16:28 |
| dr_gogeta86 | what wrong ? | 16:29 |
| dr_gogeta86 | file are played | 16:29 |
| dr_gogeta86 | but seems muted | 16:29 |
| locusf | oh | 16:30 |
| tbr | audio policy, audio routing, alsa or pa settings? | 16:30 |
| dr_gogeta86 | pacmd dump | grep set-sink | 16:31 |
| dr_gogeta86 | set-sink-volume alsa_output.pci-0000_00_05.0.analog-stereo 0x064 | 16:31 |
| dr_gogeta86 | set-sink-mute alsa_output.pci-0000_00_05.0.analog-stereo no | 16:31 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | done | 16:32 |
| dr_gogeta86 | volume too low | 16:32 |
| dr_gogeta86 | set-sink-volume alsa_output.pci-0000_00_05.0.analog-stereo 0x4826 | 16:32 |
| dr_gogeta86 | and works like a charm | 16:32 |
| locusf | nice :) | 16:32 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | nfg-client works too | 16:34 |
| tbr | http://images.devaamo.fi/nemo/minnowmax/nemo-mobile-x86_64-sda.raw.xz | 16:50 |
| locusf | tbr: ok nice, thanks | 16:52 |
| vgrade | locusf: np. | 16:56 |
| * vgrade wonders if it would boot on my uefi tablet | 16:57 | |
| dr_gogeta86 | i dunno | 16:57 |
| dr_gogeta86 | but let me know | 16:57 |
| tbr | vgrade: quite likely, it's not /that/ special a kernel and x86 is good at booting on all sorts of hw | 16:57 |
| vgrade | tbr: do you have 32 or 64bit uefi EFI parts | 16:58 |
| vgrade | my tab only does 32 bit | 16:58 |
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| tbr | vgrade: ah, then the original image might work better | 17:00 |
| dr_gogeta86 | http://blogs.gnome.org/alexl/2015/02/17/first-fully-sandboxed-linux-desktop-app/ | 17:00 |
| tbr | vgrade: actually, no, that was missing UEFI bits IIRC | 17:00 |
| locusf | yes | 17:01 |
| tbr | vgrade: but it should be easy to slipstream a 32bit kernel | 17:01 |
| locusf | actually no its not easy | 17:01 |
| vgrade | tbr: its not the kernel its the bits in the EFI part I think | 17:01 |
| locusf | the kernel is configured to be 64-bits only, so the i486 build failed | 17:01 |
| locusf | and it didn't have the uefi stubs | 17:02 |
| * vgrade puts it on the list | 17:03 | |
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| tbr | also it would need a 32bit gummiboot or such | 17:06 |
| locusf | https://github.com/nemomobile/lipstick/pull/233 <- this is quite interesting | 17:06 |
| tbr | as EFI → loader needs to match | 17:06 |
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| vgrade | tbr: I think I have the right bits from the android-ia work | 17:11 |
| tbr | then it's just a kernel rebuild away | 17:13 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | locusf: this lipstick PR is itneresting yeah | 17:24 |
| SfietKonstantinW | and I don't know if there are much people able to review it | 17:25 |
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| locusf | damn the minnowmax is expensive | 18:38 |
| locusf | wrt rpi2 | 18:39 |
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| locusf | well ok not as bad as pandaboard beagleboard etc | 18:41 |
| tbr | locusf: also supply situation is still really thin, that also drove the price up | 18:49 |
| locusf | tbr: yeah noticed that delivery times are 12-20 weeks in one shop | 18:50 |
| tbr | tigal, yeah | 18:50 |
| locusf | yup | 18:50 |
| locusf | I wonder where M4rtinK is | 18:51 |
| tbr | I knew it was going to be bad, so I took the opportunity and got it through a yocto workshop | 18:51 |
| locusf | thats nice | 18:51 |
| locusf | yocto is the same as obs if for us? | 18:51 |
| locusf | a little bit more too I guess | 18:52 |
| tbr | it's a bit more complex | 18:53 |
| tbr | it's a bit like Mer the project/community | 18:53 |
| tbr | open-embedded is the build-system | 18:54 |
| tbr | poky is a reference distribution as its output (RPM based) | 18:54 |
| locusf | ok | 18:55 |
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| locusf | M4rtinK2: it seems that sleep didn't come this night so lets talk about your universal components :) | 21:01 |
| M4rtinK2 | locusf: OK :) | 21:01 |
| M4rtinK2 | btw, trying the image in virtualbox | 21:02 |
| locusf | great :) | 21:02 |
| M4rtinK2 | but getting something like a gray screen at the moment | 21:02 |
| locusf | it comes with latest nemo qqcn | 21:02 |
| M4rtinK2 | not completely grey, but with some sort of a circular gradient | 21:03 |
| locusf | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Wayland_Nemo_VM_Image | 21:04 |
| locusf | take a look at that page | 21:04 |
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| locusf | the videomode is important | 21:08 |
| M4rtinK2 | you mean it could be caused by that opacity glitch : | 21:09 |
| M4rtinK2 | ? | 21:09 |
| locusf | oh that is fixed long time ago | 21:09 |
| faenil | VBoxManage setextradata "NAME_OF_THE_VM" CustomVideoMode1 "480x854x32" | 21:10 |
| locusf | yes that | 21:10 |
| faenil | M4rtinK2: ^ | 21:10 |
| faenil | read on that page ;) | 21:10 |
| faenil | extra bonus if you update the wiki page :D | 21:11 |
| M4rtinK2 | oh, now I see it :) | 21:12 |
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| gogeta | faenil, i can't update it | 21:16 |
| gogeta | the wiki | 21:16 |
| gogeta | meanwhile I'm doing some kind of moster | 21:16 |
| faenil | mer obs account iirc | 21:16 |
| gogeta | is the same | 21:16 |
| gogeta | drbd replicated blocks + redhat cluster + gfs2 + ucarp | 21:17 |
| M4rtinK2 | frankly, it is kinda buried there :) | 21:17 |
| gogeta | the worst thing you can mix | 21:17 |
| M4rtinK2 | I would advice splitting the "how to make the VM image" instructions from VM image usage instructions | 21:18 |
| faenil | M4rtinK2: sure, that was the 1st wayland image, I wrote that page in Summer 2013! XD | 21:19 |
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| M4rtinK2 | I think I remember when it was published :) | 21:19 |
| M4rtinK2 | I think I tried it out on my N950 back then | 21:19 |
| faenil | :) | 21:19 |
| M4rtinK2 | btw, it boots now and I can see the homescreen | 21:20 |
| M4rtinK2 | but it does not seem to get mouse input | 21:20 |
| locusf | \o/ | 21:20 |
| M4rtinK2 | & no cursor | 21:20 |
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| locusf | its proximity sensor of mce | 21:20 |
| locusf | if you forward ssh port from host guest then you can issue those command I gave you on twitter | 21:21 |
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| gogeta | M4rtinK2, wich version of VirtualBox do you have | 21:24 |
| gogeta | ? | 21:24 |
| M4rtinK2 | mamanged to do the trick with the port & to ssh in | 21:24 |
| M4rtinK2 | but even after issuing the commands | 21:24 |
| M4rtinK2 | it is still the same | 21:25 |
| M4rtinK2 | gogeta: 4.3.20 | 21:25 |
| locusf | double click and drag the screen from left edge | 21:25 |
| locusf | to unlock the screen | 21:26 |
| M4rtinK2 | no change | 21:28 |
| locusf | mcetool -t disabled | 21:29 |
| locusf | mcetool -k unlocked | 21:29 |
| M4rtinK2 | still the same unfortunately | 21:31 |
| M4rtinK2 | I even rebooted the VM | 21:31 |
| M4rtinK2 | then issued the commands from twitter & the new ones | 21:31 |
| M4rtinK2 | I'm on the home screen but clicking/swiping does nothing | 21:31 |
| locusf | hmm | 21:32 |
| locusf | thats a bummer | 21:33 |
| locusf | do you see the cursor? | 21:33 |
| locusf | do you have guest additions installed? | 21:34 |
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| M4rtinK2 | no cursor | 21:34 |
| M4rtinK2 | will check the guest additions | 21:34 |
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| gogeta | wich vm did you downloaded ? | 21:48 |
| M4rtinK2 | I think I'Ve installed the additions | 21:48 |
| gogeta | you created image by yourself ? | 21:48 |
| M4rtinK2 | gogeta: this one: http://t.co/xMdNyNMwRM | 21:49 |
| gogeta | ok | 21:50 |
| M4rtinK2 | cd I've mounted /dev/cdrom and started the .run script | 21:50 |
| gogeta | nooo | 21:50 |
| gogeta | are already in | 21:50 |
| gogeta | the only thing to do is | 21:51 |
| gogeta | the mcetoo -g disabled | 21:51 |
| gogeta | mcetool -u disabled | 21:51 |
| M4rtinK2 | I did that | 21:51 |
| gogeta | did you disabled mouse integration | 21:51 |
| gogeta | ? | 21:51 |
| M4rtinK2 | tried with and without | 21:52 |
| M4rtinK2 | same result | 21:52 |
| M4rtinK2 | BTW, vboxservice is dead | 21:53 |
| gogeta | strange | 21:53 |
| M4rtinK2 | Feb 17 23:48:10 localhost systemd[1]: Starting VBoxService daemon for various aspects of guest control and time sync... | 21:53 |
| M4rtinK2 | Feb 17 23:48:10 localhost systemd[1]: Started VBoxService daemon for various aspects of guest control and time sync. | 21:53 |
| M4rtinK2 | Feb 17 23:48:11 localhost systemd[1]: vboxservice.service: main process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE | 21:53 |
| M4rtinK2 | Feb 17 23:48:11 localhost systemd[1]: Unit vboxservice.service entered failed state. | 21:53 |
| gogeta | i'll download for testing | 21:53 |
| locusf | it does work for me, that image | 21:54 |
| M4rtinK2 | maybe I need to change some setting of the virtual machine ? | 21:58 |
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| M4rtinK2 | well, we can still talk UC in the meantime :) | 21:59 |
| locusf | yeah ok, sorry about those problems :O | 22:00 |
| M4rtinK2 | no problem as long as I can get it working eventually :) | 22:01 |
| faenil | hehe | 22:03 |
| faenil | and let's not forget the difficult points | 22:03 |
| faenil | please write them down | 22:03 |
| faenil | gogeta: can you write something about how to create the VM image? on the wiki | 22:03 |
| locusf | its already tjere | 22:04 |
| faenil | I'll download the image tomorrow and update the usage instructions | 22:04 |
| faenil | locusf: ah ok | 22:04 |
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| faenil | is the ks always the same? | 22:04 |
| faenil | don't think so :D | 22:05 |
| locusf | noppe I gave gogeta the one I used | 22:05 |
| gogeta | + my repo | 22:05 |
| locusf | yes | 22:05 |
| faenil | ok... | 22:05 |
| gogeta | btw i've asked for merge | 22:06 |
| faenil | where? | 22:06 |
| gogeta | github | 22:06 |
| faenil | ah you mean the PRs to packages | 22:06 |
| faenil | yes, I meant the ks | 22:06 |
| gogeta | is just locusf one + repo | 22:06 |
| faenil | ok but where is locusf's one ? | 22:06 |
| gogeta | i need to wiki access | 22:06 |
| faenil | we need updated instructions :) | 22:06 |
| faenil | gogeta: same account as obs | 22:06 |
| faenil | just login | 22:06 |
| locusf | its in my desktop | 22:07 |
| faenil | locusf: PR to the ks repo and update wiki? | 22:07 |
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| gogeta | faenil, does't work | 22:07 |
| faenil | also, are we sure the instructions on the wiki are updated? | 22:07 |
| locusf | faenil: sure | 22:07 |
| faenil | gogeta: mm :/ strange... | 22:07 |
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| faenil | gogeta: oh, I think mer bugzilla account | 22:08 |
| faenil | create one and use that, iirc | 22:08 |
| faenil | locusf: great, thanks a lot | 22:08 |
| faenil | let's try to bring the ship back afloat :) | 22:08 |
| locusf | np | 22:08 |
| faenil | I'll try the image tomorrow and update the usage instructions | 22:08 |
| faenil | we also need some easy "get package, compile, and run on VM" setup | 22:08 |
| faenil | for those who want to test packages | 22:09 |
| faenil | on nemo | 22:09 |
| gogeta | faenil, either | 22:09 |
| faenil | gogeta: ? | 22:09 |
| M4rtinK2 | yeah, the easier this is the more likely it is people will contribute | 22:09 |
| faenil | mer bugzilla should work | 22:09 |
| faenil | we're still dependant on the merge to happen to fix a lot of things | 22:09 |
| gogeta | nor obs nor bugzilla | 22:09 |
| locusf | M4rtinK2: exactly | 22:09 |
| faenil | but in the meanwhile, let's see what we can do.. | 22:09 |
| gogeta | locusf, now I swear ... we need the sailfishos SDK counterpart | 22:10 |
| gogeta | next next next and you are ready | 22:10 |
| gogeta | btw I don't really like it so much | 22:10 |
| locusf | gogeta: thats the utopia yes | 22:10 |
| M4rtinK2 | for the record I'm not using the Sailfish SDK :) | 22:10 |
| faenil | :) | 22:10 |
| locusf | we can use saikfish sdk | 22:11 |
| faenil | I have never used it for Nemo development | 22:11 |
| faenil | always used mer sdk + mb2 | 22:11 |
| M4rtinK2 | I think it is kinda redundant if you can SSH to the device & have a build service :) | 22:11 |
| locusf | just switch the deploy vm | 22:11 |
| locusf | yes | 22:11 |
| locusf | mb2 all tne way | 22:11 |
| faenil | :) | 22:11 |
| gogeta | locusf, sometimes localhost building is nice | 22:11 |
| gogeta | especially behind proxy | 22:12 |
| faenil | the problem is cross-platform sdk | 22:12 |
| gogeta | ;-) | 22:12 |
| faenil | for that we need something like sailfish sdk..so... | 22:12 |
| M4rtinK2 | well I understand why they went with vbox | 22:12 |
| gogeta | is free | 22:12 |
| M4rtinK2 | but I still like KVM much better :) | 22:12 |
| gogeta | kvm lack some feature to run wayland on it | 22:12 |
| faenil | we need to get Mac and Win sdks going as well.. | 22:12 |
| gogeta | i've talk wit rh kvm developers | 22:13 |
| faenil | vbox is probably the easiest way | 22:13 |
| gogeta | faenil, tizen guys use a forked qemu | 22:13 |
| faenil | ideally I think we should just have people install sailfish sdk and mod it as needed | 22:13 |
| gogeta | and vmware so ... | 22:13 |
| gogeta | faenil, but old nokia tools | 22:13 |
| gogeta | all closed source ? | 22:14 |
| faenil | ? | 22:14 |
| gogeta | the fake emulator | 22:14 |
| faenil | ? | 22:14 |
| locusf | oh yes that | 22:14 |
| gogeta | the same you use while develop for n9 on desktop | 22:14 |
| locusf | which came with harmartan qt sdk | 22:14 |
| gogeta | yep | 22:14 |
| faenil | yeah, so what? :) | 22:14 |
| locusf | just pointed ojt I guess | 22:14 |
| faenil | I don't know much about it | 22:15 |
| faenil | if you guys have easy ways to get a crossplatform sdk let's go with that | 22:15 |
| locusf | I should get to sleep now, was nice seeing you M4rtinK2 :) | 22:15 |
| gogeta | faenil, when will be next mer-meeting ? | 22:15 |
| faenil | about what | 22:15 |
| faenil | there are only bug triages and sailfish community meeting at the moment afaik | 22:16 |
| M4rtinK2 | locusf: also nice talking with you :) | 22:16 |
| faenil | no other meetings | 22:16 |
| M4rtinK2 | locusf: good night :) | 22:16 |
| gogeta | faenil, you know what i mean | 22:16 |
| locusf | nn all :) | 22:16 |
| faenil | gogeta: nope :/ | 22:16 |
| faenil | locusf: night o/ | 22:16 |
| M4rtinK2 | BTW, I've spotted some remaining modRana dependencies in UC | 22:16 |
| faenil | M4rtinK2: how is it going with vbox? | 22:16 |
| gogeta | night locusf | 22:16 |
| M4rtinK2 | will try to get rid of them soon :) | 22:17 |
| faenil | :) | 22:17 |
| faenil | M4rtinK2: are you confident we'll be able to use UC? | 22:17 |
| M4rtinK2 | faenil: don't know what to try next | 22:17 |
| gogeta | https://together.jolla.com/question/54157/sailfishos-open-source-collaboration-meeting-planning/ | 22:17 |
| faenil | aren't they too much restrictive? | 22:17 |
| M4rtinK2 | faenil: depends on what you want to do | 22:17 |
| faenil | as in, you can only have a common API if you ignore special UI features | 22:17 |
| faenil | yeah... | 22:17 |
| faenil | gogeta: that's the sailfish commmunity meeting | 22:18 |
| faenil | we had it today | 22:18 |
| faenil | next one is 10th march, after MWC | 22:18 |
| gogeta | some log | 22:18 |
| M4rtinK2 | you can still code the special features on top | 22:18 |
| M4rtinK2 | or abstract them away if possible | 22:18 |
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| faenil | gogeta: http://www.merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2015/ | 22:18 |
| faenil | M4rtinK2: it will be a challenge :/ | 22:19 |
| gogeta | i hate telecom | 22:19 |
| faenil | but you know them better | 22:19 |
| M4rtinK2 | or even just provide a dummy API on platforms that don't have them | 22:19 |
| gogeta | and tomorrow i'll going to install 9 node cluster for them | 22:19 |
| gogeta | i wanan kill me | 22:19 |
| gogeta | *wanna | 22:19 |
| faenil | lol | 22:19 |
| M4rtinK2 | I'm already doing something like that with QtPositioning | 22:19 |
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| M4rtinK2 | I have a fake position source and even a custom fake Coordinate :) | 22:19 |
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| M4rtinK2 | and I can feed it with gpsd data :) | 22:20 |
| faenil | I think the many UIs are too different :/ | 22:20 |
| M4rtinK2 | I'm not forcing you to us them ;-) | 22:21 |
| M4rtinK2 | *use | 22:21 |
| faenil | I didn't mean that :) | 22:21 |
| faenil | I just can't see how you can properly abstract UIs which are so different | 22:22 |
| M4rtinK2 | from my experience it works just fine with ha same UI code on desktop, Sailfish & Android :) | 22:22 |
| faenil | yes, but maybe because you are not using any special UI features? | 22:22 |
| faenil | maybe it's just lists/buttons/menu? | 22:22 |
| faenil | (just guessing here) | 22:22 |
| M4rtinK2 | I think the differences are kinda overrated | 22:22 |
| faenil | ok | 22:22 |
| M4rtinK2 | well, all mobile apps are mostly lists/buttons/menus | 22:23 |
| M4rtinK2 | and the rest is usually custom controls anyway | 22:23 |
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| M4rtinK2 | like the modRana map | 22:23 |
| faenil | not saying you're wrong | 22:23 |
| M4rtinK2 | or the layer selection tree | 22:23 |
| faenil | just, it sounds fishy to me :) | 22:23 |
| M4rtinK2 | it is of course a trade-off | 22:24 |
| faenil | but if it works, why not! | 22:24 |
| faenil | yes that's the bet, is it still ok to develop all core apps? | 22:24 |
| M4rtinK2 | hyper native integration vs not having to reinvent the wheel for each platform & keeping the UI forks in sync during development | 22:24 |
| faenil | M4rtinK2: sure, we just have to see how that actually works for apps of many different types | 22:27 |
| M4rtinK2 | yeah, it really needs some real life evalution other than modRana | 22:27 |
| M4rtinK2 | *evaluation | 22:27 |
| M4rtinK2 | I would propose the messaging app :) | 22:28 |
| faenil | :) | 22:28 |
| faenil | not even sure that's enough! | 22:28 |
| M4rtinK2 | really liked tbrs idea of using the Nemo messaging app on Sailfish | 22:28 |
| faenil | I think it's a bet, either it works or we waste a lot of time | 22:28 |
| faenil | but if you think it can work, we can test it | 22:28 |
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| M4rtinK2 | to kinda show ho idiotic it is that the default one is closed :) | 22:29 |
| M4rtinK2 | *how | 22:29 |
| faenil | :) | 22:29 |
| faenil | makes sense | 22:29 |
| M4rtinK2 | generally I think making Nemo stuff available outside of Nemo could really help with contributions/interest in Nemo | 22:33 |
| faenil | sure | 22:34 |
| M4rtinK2 | as I think currently Nemo is not that attractive to developers or users if they have a kinda working semi closed platform | 22:34 |
| faenil | of course it's not :) | 22:34 |
| M4rtinK2 | but without more interested people Nemo would not get up to par with Sailfish | 22:34 |
| faenil | it's attractive to those looking for a fully opensource stack | 22:34 |
| M4rtinK2 | so kinda CATCH 22 | 22:35 |
| faenil | those who like being able to do what the hell they want with their phone | 22:35 |
| faenil | something what Jolla should have been, at least at the beginning | 22:35 |
| faenil | before business models started ruining everything | 22:35 |
| faenil | as usual | 22:35 |
| M4rtinK2 | still, but people have a higher bar these days | 22:36 |
| gogeta | faenil, nowadays developer care about ads and reward programs | 22:36 |
| M4rtinK2 | its not just Neo FreeRunner these days :) | 22:36 |
| gogeta | just read #jolla stream on twitter | 22:37 |
| faenil | then let's shut everything down because we're never creating a nemo ecosystem with dev rewards :P | 22:37 |
| M4rtinK2 | I don't think adds are something I'm missing on my mobile devices | 22:38 |
| gogeta | in your mobile | 22:38 |
| gogeta | but in companies mobile | 22:38 |
| gogeta | ads are business | 22:38 |
| M4rtinK2 | gogeta: well we are doing just fine without adds in Fedora, thank you very much :) | 22:38 |
| M4rtinK2 | (as well as in RHEL for that matter) | 22:38 |
| gogeta | I wear fedora too | 22:39 |
| M4rtinK2 | adds are a plague :P | 22:39 |
| M4rtinK2 | at least in the way how they have infested Android | 22:39 |
| gogeta | btw dev hates ur ecosystem | 22:40 |
| gogeta | M4rtinK2, you can find me on twitter tomorrow ok ? | 22:41 |
| gogeta | good night | 22:41 |
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| faenil | good night people o/ | 22:42 |
| M4rtinK2 | night :) | 22:43 |
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| bencoh | 23:33 < M4rtinK2> generally I think making Nemo stuff available outside of Nemo could really help with contributions/interest in Nemo | 23:31 |
| bencoh | +1 | 23:31 |
| M4rtinK2 | bencoh: thanks :) | 23:32 |
| bencoh | lots of interesting things are in development, and those could be used in other projects | 23:32 |
| M4rtinK2 | exactly | 23:32 |
| M4rtinK2 | IMHO "perfect native integration" just means no one will be able to actually use your stuff outside of your little "native" niche | 23:33 |
| M4rtinK2 | so the more places things can run, the better :) | 23:34 |
| bencoh | iOS/android are still the main target for handheld applications, and .... a lot of people could gain from having opensource components they can leverage | 23:35 |
| M4rtinK2 | yep | 23:35 |
| M4rtinK2 | I still think Jolla missed a chance of establishing "THE" mobile component set by not open sourcing Silica | 23:36 |
| bencoh | prolly | 23:36 |
| M4rtinK2 | so hopefully Glacier & other Nemo project will be able to step in instead :) | 23:36 |
| bencoh | it's a shame that when I look for some specific software all I can see is 1. jolla-specifc stuff 2. maemo-specific stuff 3. ubuntu/touch bloat | 23:37 |
| M4rtinK2 | actually, modRana runs on all 3 :D | 23:38 |
| M4rtinK2 | same code base :) | 23:38 |
| bencoh | haha, yeah :-) | 23:38 |
| bencoh | but that's (almost) an exception | 23:38 |
| M4rtinK2 | well yeah | 23:38 |
| bencoh | (and it's python, bouh :> ... I was talking about "native" to be honest) | 23:38 |
| M4rtinK2 | and that's wrong IMHO | 23:38 |
| M4rtinK2 | whats so ba d about Python ? ;-) | 23:39 |
| M4rtinK2 | *bad | 23:39 |
| bencoh | personal taste, nevermind :-) | 23:39 |
| M4rtinK2 | hh :D | 23:39 |
| bencoh | but really, it shouldnt be like that :) | 23:39 |
| M4rtinK2 | yeah | 23:40 |
| M4rtinK2 | currently it is like not being able to run virt manager in KDE | 23:40 |
| M4rtinK2 | just because it uses GTK | 23:40 |
| M4rtinK2 | and that's wrong | 23:41 |
| bencoh | porting UI components (and maintaining them for other platforms) might be part of the solution, I dunno | 23:41 |
| M4rtinK2 | yeah, you either port the components | 23:43 |
| M4rtinK2 | or use an abstraction layer like Universal Components | 23:43 |
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| M4rtinK2 | you can also just rewrite the code to use the different component set | 23:44 |
| M4rtinK2 | but that's is really doable only for simple applications that are "done" | 23:44 |
| M4rtinK2 | and won't change once ported | 23:44 |
| bencoh | yeah, maintaining a codebase with a different component set is a pain | 23:45 |
| bencoh | even porting can be a pain | 23:45 |
| M4rtinK2 | that's basically why I created UC | 23:46 |
| M4rtinK2 | no way I would be able to reasonably maintain separate branches for UI as complex as the modRana one | 23:46 |
| bencoh | is it Qt5 only ? | 23:46 |
| M4rtinK2 | would be tons of totally useless work | 23:47 |
| M4rtinK2 | there are currently 2 maintained GUIs | 23:47 |
| M4rtinK2 | the GTK (2) one used on the N900 | 23:47 |
| bencoh | oh <3 | 23:47 |
| M4rtinK2 | and on desktop | 23:47 |
| bencoh | hmm waitamin, arent you talking about qml/UC ? | 23:48 |
| M4rtinK2 | and the Qt 5/QtQuick 2.0 one used on Sailfish, desktop and Android | 23:48 |
| M4rtinK2 | also a not really maintained old Qt 4/QtQuick 1.1 one | 23:48 |
| M4rtinK2 | and all GUIs use the same Python core | 23:49 |
| M4rtinK2 | dos that answer your qustions ? :) | 23:49 |
| M4rtinK2 | *questions | 23:50 |
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| bencoh | part of it | 23:53 |
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