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| locusf | good morning | 06:28 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | hi guys | 08:22 |
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| faenil | o/ | 08:38 |
| faenil | morning everyone | 08:38 |
| dr_gogeta86 | hi faenil | 08:38 |
| faenil | hi | 08:39 |
| dr_gogeta86 | how do you do ? | 08:39 |
| dr_gogeta86 | you'll be in rome next week ? | 08:40 |
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| faenil | well I'm 80km south of rome :) | 08:43 |
| faenil | is the meeting confirmed? | 08:43 |
| faenil | when is it? | 08:43 |
| dr_gogeta86 | 28 april | 08:43 |
| dr_gogeta86 | from 17 to 21 | 08:43 |
| dr_gogeta86 | is near tiburtina station | 08:44 |
| faenil | nooo :( I'm already back to Pisa that day :( | 08:44 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | i think we discuss of things you know very well | 08:44 |
| faenil | I wanted to be there :( | 08:45 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | where are u from ? | 08:49 |
| faenil | pm ;) | 08:51 |
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| stephg | ning! (it's sunny here, I'm happy) | 08:53 |
| sledges | nung! | 08:54 |
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| faenil | THIS IS F****** ANNOYING! https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-16727 | 11:45 |
| faenil | closed as "this is the current design"...gah | 11:46 |
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| KhertanAtwork | Hi ! | 12:05 |
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| faenil | hi | 12:07 |
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| faenil | SfietKonstantin, you there? | 12:54 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | hi guys | 14:28 |
| faenil | hi | 14:29 |
| dr_gogeta86 | a friend of mine had an headcache while see multitask on n9 and jolla | 14:29 |
| faenil | lol | 14:30 |
| dr_gogeta86 | for him is inconceivable in 2014 have always on apps like in symbian | 14:31 |
| faenil | yeah, I heard the same from friend of mine | 14:31 |
| dr_gogeta86 | the os must freeze appe while they arwent focused | 14:31 |
| dr_gogeta86 | but the true behaviour | 14:32 |
| dr_gogeta86 | ? | 14:32 |
| dr_gogeta86 | is | 14:32 |
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| faenil | qwazix, ping | 16:13 |
| qwazix | faenil pong | 16:13 |
| locusf | evening guys | 16:14 |
| faenil | o/ | 16:14 |
| faenil | qwazix, we didn't finish the discussion about tool icons in the end | 16:15 |
| faenil | I remember the number was fixed to 3 | 16:15 |
| faenil | can you explain the details again | 16:15 |
| faenil | ? :) | 16:15 |
| qwazix | faenil give me a minute | 16:15 |
| faenil | oki | 16:15 |
| qwazix | yeah, you are right, we said to fix it to maximum 3 so that it's not too complicated | 16:19 |
| qwazix | but I don't think there is anything more to that, there is space for 3 tools at most | 16:20 |
| faenil | wasn't it "exactly" 3? | 16:20 |
| faenil | should I reserve a fixed space? | 16:20 |
| qwazix | you can reserve a fixed space, but not all apps have three tools | 16:20 |
| faenil | I can...but you decide :P | 16:21 |
| qwazix | no, exactly three is stupid IMO | 16:21 |
| faenil | I meant about reserving the space | 16:22 |
| qwazix | and if fixed space doesn't help much in the implementation it shouldn't be reserved | 16:22 |
| faenil | ok | 16:22 |
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| faenil | qwazix, what about the semantic of the 3 dots | 16:26 |
| qwazix | the three dots when clicked open the header IIRC, let me check | 16:27 |
| faenil | yes but you can also open it by clicking on the title, right? | 16:27 |
| faenil | (or wherever there's no tool button) | 16:27 |
| qwazix | I hadn't thought of that but yeah, good idea | 16:28 |
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| faenil | ah okay xD | 16:29 |
| qwazix | and of course, if the dock doesn't have things inside it, they are not visible | 16:29 |
| faenil | ok | 16:29 |
| Deformat | qwazix, perhaps this is a slowpoke moment, but | 16:29 |
| Deformat | Is Nemo afterall just Sailfish without the proprietary stuff? | 16:30 |
| faenil | you can see it like that, yeah | 16:30 |
| qwazix | I don't like to look at it like that though | 16:30 |
| Deformat | This meaning also UI? | 16:30 |
| Deformat | Neither do I | 16:30 |
| faenil | but actually the truth is Sailfish is Nemo + it's closedsource stuff | 16:30 |
| faenil | it's sailfish which was born from Nemo, not other way around :) | 16:31 |
| Deformat | I know | 16:31 |
| qwazix | exactly | 16:31 |
| Deformat | But in terms of UI, it starts feeling similarel | 16:31 |
| Deformat | *similar | 16:31 |
| faenil | well, they both take stuff from gestures-driver UIs | 16:31 |
| faenil | driven* | 16:31 |
| Deformat | Yeah | 16:32 |
| faenil | but I'm for the revolution, so if you have any groundbreaking concept, I'm in o/ | 16:32 |
| faenil | :D | 16:32 |
| Deformat | Well, had some ideas in the past few days, but as far as I understood, they are a bit of a timewaste for the current progress | 16:33 |
| Deformat | And, well | 16:33 |
| Deformat | It would slow down everything imho | 16:33 |
| faenil | you should still talk about that | 16:34 |
| faenil | maybe we can reuse ideas | 16:34 |
| faenil | without throwing away what's been done | 16:34 |
| faenil | gestures stuff is not implemented yet, so... | 16:34 |
| Deformat | @faenil, wait a sec | 16:35 |
| Deformat | http://alexandrutenie.deviantart.com/art/Nemo-UI-navigation-446346716 | 16:36 |
| Deformat | @faenil: If this helps you out... | 16:37 |
| Deformat | It's a pretty damn rough sketch | 16:37 |
| faenil | that's a homescreen sketch, what's wrong with that? | 16:38 |
| Deformat | Well, nothing | 16:38 |
| faenil | Homescreen mockup hasn't been done yet afaik? cc qwazix | 16:38 |
| Deformat | It was | 16:38 |
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| faenil | :/ I knew locusf was working on it, but without any particular sketch | 16:39 |
| qwazix | faenil homescreen mockup is here http://play.qwazix.com/grog/?p=694 | 16:39 |
| qwazix | no complete spec yet though | 16:39 |
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| locusf | faenil: the current implementation uses the old pathview based homescreen | 16:40 |
| locusf | ie. copypaste from colorful-home | 16:40 |
| faenil | okay | 16:40 |
| faenil | qwazix, thanks, I didn't know about that | 16:40 |
| locusf | I have tried to get the vertical dimension there as well but it seems quite difficult | 16:40 |
| faenil | or maybe I did and I forgot about it, which wouldn't be new to me :D | 16:40 |
| faenil | locusf, I see | 16:41 |
| faenil | (I've spent the last 2 days working on header and the more I continue the more weird issues pop up) | 16:41 |
| locusf | I understood from qwazix that homescreen is currently #1 in the agenda? | 16:41 |
| faenil | maybe 3-4 days actually | 16:41 |
| faenil | Deformat, the two mockups seems quite similar? | 16:42 |
| faenil | or is there anything in particular which you'd like to change | 16:42 |
| qwazix | locusf, everybody works on what he finds more interesting, however you are right, I think it's now the vehicle which might bring us some users for the first time | 16:42 |
| locusf | qwazix: okay | 16:43 |
| Deformat | @faenil, not quiw | 16:44 |
| Deformat | *quite | 16:44 |
| Deformat | Wait a sec | 16:45 |
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| Deformat | @faenil: http://qwazix.github.io/nemomobile.github.com/#navigation | 16:47 |
| Deformat | There's the difference | 16:47 |
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| faenil | still 3 horizontal screens | 16:50 |
| faenil | I like the swipe left/right to unlock btw | 16:50 |
| faenil | I'm tired of those vertical unlock swipes :D | 16:50 |
| faenil | I'm not sure though having a page which is dedicated to widget is ideal | 16:51 |
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| faenil | javispedro, o/ | 16:51 |
| Deformat | Not 1 page | 16:52 |
| Deformat | Multiple, if necessary | 16:52 |
| faenil | sure | 16:52 |
| Deformat | Android always felt a bit awkward | 16:52 |
| faenil | having to swipe to go to widgets doesn't improve it, imho | 16:52 |
| Deformat | That's true. | 16:52 |
| javispedro | helo faenil | 16:53 |
| faenil | javispedro, hola :) | 16:53 |
| Deformat | Hello | 16:53 |
| Deformat | Widgets are, imho, a pain in the ass | 16:53 |
| faenil | :D | 16:54 |
| Deformat | They are annoying on all OSs | 16:54 |
| Deformat | Except MeeGo, but afaik it didn't have widgets | 16:54 |
| Deformat | It had lockscreen notifications | 16:54 |
| locusf | horizontal unlock, that could work out tonight, lemme test and see what happens | 16:55 |
| qwazix | locusf, it's an outside swipe, just like harmattan | 16:55 |
| faenil | :) | 16:55 |
| locusf | hmm ok | 16:56 |
| qwazix | (and that is because the N9 was one of the few phones I had that didn't accidentally unlock in my pocket) | 16:56 |
| qwazix | on most phones the unlock gesture isn't hard enough | 16:56 |
| faenil | I never unlocked any phone accidentally :/ | 16:57 |
| Deformat | Same :/ | 16:57 |
| qwazix | really? I had to put a PIN lock on the Z10 so that it didn't unlock by itself | 16:57 |
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| Deformat | Z10. You know, I kinda pity you :p | 16:58 |
| faenil | that's coz you put the phone with the screen facing your leg :D | 16:58 |
| faenil | Deformat, BB10 is great, test it if you haven't :p | 16:58 |
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| Deformat | Didn't get the chance to test it. | 16:59 |
| qwazix | faenil yeah, I always put the phone facing my leg because it's safer | 16:59 |
| qwazix | I happen to hit table corners and things once in a while | 17:00 |
| faenil | qwazix, I think it's safer to avoid the jeans' iron thingies instead :) | 17:00 |
| faenil | those iron buttons on jeans pockets completely scratched the screen of a phone I had few years ago instead :D | 17:01 |
| qwazix | yeah that's another thing, but recently I think they have stopped putting those in the pockets | 17:01 |
| faenil | no I meant those little buttons | 17:01 |
| qwazix | I know, I know | 17:01 |
| Deformat | Luckily I have a pretty tick cover xD | 17:01 |
| faenil | oh, "they" have, I misread :) | 17:02 |
| faenil | good to know | 17:02 |
| qwazix | just the two jeans I bought recently don't have them on the small pocket | 17:02 |
| Deformat | Oh, qwazix | 17:03 |
| Deformat | I came and forgot the main question : | 17:03 |
| Deformat | Is it peculiar if the music and calendar and other future apps resemble the Icefox browser? | 17:04 |
| qwazix | no, we need to have consistency | 17:04 |
| qwazix | they should resemble it | 17:04 |
| Deformat | Ok | 17:04 |
| Deformat | Alrighty | 17:04 |
| Deformat | Was thinking of possibly adding a small "check weather for day X" option :D | 17:05 |
| Deformat | Might help out a bit. | 17:05 |
| Deformat | (for the calendar) | 17:06 |
| qwazix | yeah that's nice | 17:06 |
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| faenil | Deformat, did you do any b/w icon by any chance? | 17:21 |
| Deformat | Black and white no, did some in vector format with the icon gradients from Icefox browser (or at least really really similar ones) | 17:22 |
| Deformat | But didn't put them on github yet | 17:22 |
| faenil | ok | 17:22 |
| Deformat | Since I haven't checked out the spacing they do when resized | 17:22 |
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| locusf | doing the close from top and locking from anywhere with outside swipe | 17:39 |
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| Deformat | Awesome! | 17:46 |
| faenil | qwazix, we have an important issue instead | 17:46 |
| faenil | all specs need to be updated using standard padding measures | 17:47 |
| faenil | we're starting to be full of different numbers here and there | 17:47 |
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| faenil | Sfiet_Konstantin, hey | 17:51 |
| locusf | is there a way to lock the screen from the compositor? | 17:54 |
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| faenil | there must be | 18:04 |
| locusf | LipstickSettings isn't exposed | 18:07 |
| qwazix | faenil, noted | 18:10 |
| qwazix | a theme.smallPadding and theme.normalPadding should be enough, no? | 18:12 |
| faenil | only two? | 18:14 |
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| faenil | qwazix, it would be also nice to have the "styling options" as part of the specs | 18:29 |
| faenil | i.e what should be in the theme file, and what should be in the implementation | 18:30 |
| faenil | so far I'm basically only putting colours in the theme file | 18:30 |
| qwazix | :nod: | 18:30 |
| locusf | okay locking from anywhere now works | 18:30 |
| faenil | Morpog_PC__, Deformat ^ | 18:31 |
| faenil | locusf, cool :) | 18:31 |
| qwazix | \o/ | 18:31 |
| locusf | unlocking is still vertical :p | 18:31 |
| locusf | https://github.com/nemomobile-ux/glacier-home/pull/8 | 18:33 |
| Morpog_PC__ | faenil, ? | 18:33 |
| faenil | Morpog_PC__, in next specs, let's use standard paddings and specify what will go inside theme file | 18:34 |
| faenil | (i.e. customizable items) | 18:34 |
| Morpog_PC__ | standards are always good | 18:34 |
| Deformat | Nice | 18:36 |
| faenil | Morpog_PC__, Deformat qwazix it's enough if you guys have a quick chat about current components and decide 3-4 standard paddings to use | 18:37 |
| faenil | then someone will have to update the specs on github :D | 18:37 |
| Morpog_PC__ | someone (TM) | 18:37 |
| faenil | well, you're only 3, it's easy to decide :D | 18:38 |
| qwazix | I'll do the update, no problem | 18:38 |
| faenil | great! | 18:38 |
| Morpog_PC__ | \o/ | 18:38 |
| Morpog_PC__ | iirc my specs most should have same paddings | 18:39 |
| Morpog_PC__ | what a sentence...... | 18:39 |
| qwazix | I'll be afk for a while | 18:39 |
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| faenil | Morpog_PC__, then it will be easy to update those using the right names :P | 18:42 |
| Morpog_PC__ | 32 could be big or medium padding | 18:42 |
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| Deformat | 20 should be small? | 18:43 |
| Deformat | Actually, wait a sec... | 18:43 |
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| locusf | is swiping left enough for unlock, I can't make the swipe go right :p | 18:44 |
| faenil | ahah :D | 18:44 |
| Deformat | Ask those who are left-handed :p | 18:45 |
| * faenil is left-handed | 18:45 | |
| Deformat | Morpog_PC__: i'm okay with nearly whatever standard is out there | 18:46 |
| Deformat | TBH, it doesn't seem like something that can go wrong | 18:46 |
| Morpog_PC__ | lets see what qwazix says | 18:47 |
| Morpog_PC__ | normally I'm all for powers of 2, but this could be wrong here | 18:47 |
| Morpog_PC__ | i.e. 8, 16, 32 | 18:48 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | maybe here something like 8, 20, 32 could work better | 18:49 |
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| Deformat | 8,16,32 sounds fine to me | 18:52 |
| Deformat | Even 10,20,30 | 18:52 |
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| faenil | yeah preferably powers of 2 I think | 18:53 |
| faenil | (if it works out with the current components specs) | 18:53 |
| faenil | so that we don't risk rounding errors while playing with them | 18:53 |
| Deformat | Alrighty,let's hear qwazix | 18:54 |
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| locusf | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTGWQG6oWCA | 19:00 |
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| Deformat | Sorry for disappearing | 19:01 |
| Deformat | AndChat disconnects for some odd reason | 19:01 |
| faenil | np | 19:06 |
| faenil | Deformat, not using IRCChatter for sailfish? :) | 19:06 |
| faenil | locusf, "this video is private" | 19:06 |
| Deformat | Not on Sailfish :p | 19:06 |
| faenil | Deformat, oooowwwwwwww | 19:06 |
| faenil | :D | 19:06 |
| Deformat | On my Xperia T | 19:07 |
| Deformat | I know | 19:07 |
| Deformat | Bought my Xperia just before Jolla was announced | 19:07 |
| Deformat | But I'll get a first-gen Nexus 7 | 19:07 |
| locusf | faenil: try again | 19:08 |
| Deformat | And then I hope everything will be fine with Nemo or Sailfish on it | 19:08 |
| faenil | locusf, I got lost :D you unlocked and then locked? | 19:09 |
| locusf | faenil: yes | 19:09 |
| faenil | locusf, okay :) nice :) | 19:09 |
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| Deformat | I think I'm going to sleep | 19:22 |
| Deformat | Laters | 19:22 |
| locusf | ok bye | 19:23 |
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| faenil | locusf, is there already a bug for the buttonrow having a fixed width? | 19:28 |
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| stephg | good evening all | 21:23 |
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| sledges | good night all | 22:31 |
| stephg | night sledges | 22:31 |
| stephg | o/ | 22:31 |
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