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| sledges | here to help | 18:29 |
|---|---|---|
| sledges | so | 18:29 |
| sledges | just reboot your n9 | 18:29 |
| sledges | with that cmdline enabled | 18:29 |
| sledges | and press vol down again | 18:29 |
| * tbr throws Merbot a botsnack | 18:30 | |
| ZogG-sailfish | neochapay: need помощь? | 18:30 |
| neochapay | sledges: after reboot i not see cmdline (green leters) - i see white nokia letters | 18:31 |
| neochapay | ZogG-sailfish: absolutly ниид :) | 18:31 |
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| sledges | neochapay: | 18:34 |
| sledges | * power off the phone | 18:34 |
| ZogG-sailfish | sledges: why are droid configs are on device but in dhare folder and not in /etc/fonts ? | 18:34 |
| sledges | launch cmdline | 18:34 |
| ZogG-sailfish | i mean on jolla | 18:34 |
| sledges | * plug usb cable in | 18:34 |
| sledges | * wait | 18:34 |
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| sledges | ZogG-sailfish: sorry I don't know that; how is it in nemo? | 18:35 |
| ZogG-sailfish | not nemo relatef. true | 18:37 |
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| ZogG-sailfish | related | 18:37 |
| sledges | sailfish is very much nemo related :D | 18:37 |
| sledges | a good fallback environment for validation | 18:37 |
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| ZogG-sailfish | sledge you confused me | 19:13 |
| sledges | font management is middleware | 19:13 |
| ZogG-sailfish | so it's from nemo? | 19:13 |
| sledges | yes | 19:13 |
| ZogG-sailfish | i need to delete sailfish from n950 and install nemo ;) | 19:14 |
| sledges | no, test on vm | 19:14 |
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| ZogG-sailfish | sledges: why nit on hw | 19:28 |
| ZogG-sailfish | i dont like vm btw | 19:28 |
| sledges | ok, remove on hw, reflash, test there; flash sailfish back, how long will your NAND memory hold? ;) | 19:29 |
| sledges | VMs is the best way of prototyping | 19:29 |
| sledges | also, on sailfish itself (be it hw or emulator), you can run `rpm -qf FILE` to see which package it belongs to and start tracking down the answer to your question | 19:30 |
| ZogG-sailfish | i dont want to flash saikfish back | 19:30 |
| ZogG-sailfish | ill leave nemo there | 19:30 |
| sledges | ZogG-sailfish: that's something i was not aware | 19:30 |
| ZogG-sailfish | I'm full of surprises | 19:31 |
| ZogG-sailfish | :) | 19:32 |
| ZogG-sailfish | 1st i have jolla for now | 19:32 |
| ZogG-sailfish | 2nd there is no 2nd | 19:32 |
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| Morpog_Jolla | nemo rox :D | 19:38 |
| * sledges envisages the future times of "ZogG-nemo" and "Morpog_Nemo" are in this channel :) | 19:39 | |
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| sledges | bbl | 19:41 |
| ZogG-sailfish | it depends on venemo and co | 19:46 |
| ZogG-sailfish | if they release nemo client as well | 19:47 |
| ZogG-sailfish | Morpog_Jolla: what version if communi u have? | 19:47 |
| ZogG-sailfish | my has that bug with only half input is seen ;( | 19:48 |
| Morpog_Jolla | mine doesn't ;) | 19:49 |
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| Morpog_Jolla | it will be released soon | 19:50 |
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| ZogG-sailfish | Morpog_Jolla: you have newer build or what? | 20:12 |
| Morpog_PC | yes | 20:13 |
| Morpog_PC | from yesterday | 20:13 |
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| artemma | which package do I require for audioresource.pc? | 21:36 |
| * artemma hopes to learn some standard procedure for answering this sort of questions one day | 21:37 | |
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| * artemma found a list of mer packages content, but not one for nemo pakages yet.. | 21:40 | |
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| * artemma is tempted to just copy-pase audioresource header from github and hope that it works | 21:42 | |
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| artemma | libaudioresource-qt project is requiring libaudioresource via BuildRequires: pkgconfig(audioresource) | 21:45 |
| artemma | when I do the same I get No provider of 'pkgconfig(audioresource)' found. | 21:45 |
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| artemma | Is it in some repository not enabled for sdk then? | 21:45 |
| artemma | maybe it's time to install last sdk update.. | 21:46 |
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| sledges | artemma: you need to build against mer:qt repo | 22:07 |
| sledges | see https://build.merproject.org/package/repositories?package=audioresource-qt&project=nemo%3Adevel%3Amw | 22:07 |
| sledges | (and click on "The repositories are inherited from the project nemo:devel:mw") | 22:07 |
| * artemma almost went for bundling whole nemo-qml-policy plugin with his app :) | 22:07 | |
| artemma | now thinking is I want to go for fully recommended, but low level audioresource or for more convenient to use, but tough to add nemo policy plugin | 22:08 |
| artemma | sledges: thanks | 22:08 |
| sledges | welcome, hope all works out for you | 22:09 |
| artemma | I will try dancing around plugin sources for a while. | 22:09 |
| artemma | actually, I just figured that audioresource has specific handing for audio only indeed.. that's not good enough for me, I want to acquire led | 22:10 |
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| artemma | do you know what's the license for https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-qml-plugin-policy ? | 22:11 |
| artemma | Can't see it in repository | 22:11 |
| artemma | ah, cpp files tell BSD, never mind | 22:12 |
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| artemma | I deploy my own nemopolicy qml plugin and runtime cannot find it: module "harbour.flashlight.org.nemomobile.policy" is not installed | 23:04 |
| artemma | import harbour.flashlight.org.nemomobile.policy 1.0 | 23:04 |
| sledges | is not exported in qmldir ? | 23:05 |
| artemma | qmldir and libnemopolicy.so are deployed to /usr/share/harbour-flashlight/lib/harbour/flashlight | 23:06 |
| sledges | is this where other apps store them? | 23:06 |
| artemma | and, well, qmldir file is apparently found (registered via view->engine()->addImportPath(SailfishApp::pathTo("lib").toString()); ) | 23:06 |
| sledges | ook | 23:06 |
| * sledges shrugs | 23:06 | |
| artemma | yes, you have to supply all the bundled libs to /lib | 23:07 |
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| artemma | so qmldir is found and parsed fine, but then .so file is not found | 23:07 |
| sledges | ask on #sailfishos ?.. | 23:07 |
| artemma | I checked strace, app isn't even trying to load it | 23:07 |
| sledges | i'd also look how other apps of same composition behave | 23:07 |
| artemma | ah, I thought plugin questions are more likely to be answered here | 23:07 |
| sledges | yes | 23:07 |
| sledges | but not packaging ones :) | 23:07 |
| * artemma tends to be on the edge of these tricky technique in sailfish os unfortunately.. | 23:08 | |
| artemma | and I did manage to deploy my own qml plugin in the past, but without multilevel import | 23:08 |
| artemma | errgh, need to figure out how system decides where to look for .so files for the plugins | 23:09 |
| * sledges nods | 23:09 | |
| sledges | is something new you are introducing there ;) | 23:09 |
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| M4rtinK | artemma: try that import debugging env var | 23:18 |
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| M4rtinK | artemma: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtquick/qtquick-debugging.html#debugging-module-imports | 23:19 |
| artemma | M4rtinK: tried, didn't reveal much. Figured pluginPathList() by now, trying it | 23:19 |
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| artemma | M4rtinK: well, that debuging var only showed that it doesn't know where to load plugin from | 23:20 |
| artemma | Hmm.. I do QQmlImportDatabase::addPluginPath: "file:///usr/share/harbour-flashlight/lib/harbour/flashlight" | 23:21 |
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| artemma | but then pluginPathList() is just ("", ".") | 23:22 |
| artemma | the path exists | 23:22 |
| sledges | M4rtinK: ahoj, sorry did not salute you properly last time, I realised I was late to a meetup | 23:24 |
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| sledges | hope you had a nice journey home | 23:25 |
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| artemma | "By default the engine searches for the plugin library in the directory that contains the qmldir file." - so it should work except that it doesn't | 23:28 |
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| M4rtinK | sledges: thanks :) | 23:38 |
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| M4rtinK | sledges: got back safely, back to the winter country now :) | 23:39 |
| M4rtinK | sledges: Brusels felt like spring, but we have some snow here :) | 23:39 |
| artemma | okay, I was deploying to wrong folder, of course the proper one should have been /usr/share/harbour-flashlight/lib/harbour/flashlight/org/nemomobile/policy | 23:39 |
| artemma | short :) | 23:39 |
| artemma | Now Module namespace 'org.nemomobile.policy' does not match import URI 'harbour.flashlight.org.nemomobile.policy' | 23:40 |
| artemma | hmm, I hoped not to change at least the module line in qmldir :/ | 23:41 |
| * artemma dislikes if sailfish makes me to change qmldir that is sort of a plugin api. Deployment to specific folders I can understand, but the need to change actual sources.. | 23:41 | |
| artemma | okay, plugin loaded now even though I had to change sources. Configuration saga is over | 23:43 |
| M4rtinK | artemma: yeah, I really don't see a reason for this rule | 23:47 |
| M4rtinK | as long as it is in a proper dir | 23:47 |
| M4rtinK | should have asked about that at the roundtable | 23:47 |
| artemma | M4rtinK: imho they are just overreacting | 23:47 |
| artemma | you know, checking import string in qml files is possible by a simple script | 23:48 |
| artemma | while to track what app actually loads you need to setup run time tracking | 23:48 |
| M4rtinK | well, most of it kinda makes sense, but the end result still sucks | 23:48 |
| M4rtinK | but this one does not make sense at all | 23:48 |
| artemma | though if you really want, you can hide your stuff from qml checker as well by just putting qmls to qrc | 23:48 |
| artemma | hmm.. maybe I should have done it | 23:48 |
| M4rtinK | better than that :) | 23:49 |
| artemma | though I almost got the modified version working | 23:49 |
| M4rtinK | you can load stuff from network :) | 23:49 |
| M4rtinK | QML files | 23:49 |
| artemma | sh-sh-sh, don't tell Jolla people about it :) | 23:49 |
| M4rtinK | support for that is built in | 23:49 |
| M4rtinK | anyway, getting late - good night! :) | 23:50 |
| artemma | The core of a problem IMO is that Jolla just has zero security, so they are restricting everything they can't in a desperate attempt to compensate | 23:50 |
| M4rtinK | it is more about ABI stability | 23:50 |
| artemma | though all these efforts would look pale in eyes of any real hacker and only complicate things for the developers | 23:50 |
| M4rtinK | security IMHO comes second | 23:51 |
| M4rtinK | exactly | 23:51 |
| M4rtinK | the issue is | 23:51 |
| M4rtinK | that on closed platforms | 23:51 |
| artemma | M4rtinK: I don't mind the rules for putting custom libraries to your own folders. I mind the stupid checker. They could have just asked to do it right | 23:51 |
| artemma | and provided examples | 23:51 |
| M4rtinK | they usually have a stable API and just cobble new stuff on top | 23:51 |
| M4rtinK | on linux distros, you have the source sou you can just rebuild it | 23:51 |
| M4rtinK | and what you can see is those two clashing | 23:52 |
| artemma | damned, now I have three import statements for the same logical subtree, but two physical locations conflicting with each other :/ | 23:52 |
| artemma | actually three locations | 23:53 |
| M4rtinK | they can't really support a bazillion of old APIs Google/Windows style | 23:53 |
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| M4rtinK | and doing it the linux way will make users angry | 23:53 |
| artemma | Apple way for restrictions works | 23:53 |
| M4rtinK | as their orphaned properietary apps would stop working | 23:53 |
| artemma | I don't have anything against bundling libs/plugins, I think it's a good idea | 23:53 |
| M4rtinK | well, considering there are whole classes of applications that are not possible on iOS due to brain-dead policies | 23:54 |
| artemma | the fact that they provide zero example and I need to modify the code just for stupid checker - that's bad | 23:54 |
| M4rtinK | well, you can bundle everything | 23:54 |
| M4rtinK | sure | 23:54 |
| M4rtinK | but Jolla is supposed to be a moibile linux device | 23:55 |
| M4rtinK | so you should not need to do all that shit you have to do on Android and BB10 for example | 23:55 |
| M4rtinK | I have to bundle about 15MB+ of stuff, without Qt, to make my Python apps run on Android | 23:56 |
| M4rtinK | well anyway | 23:56 |
| artemma | M4rtinK: and the problem is? | 23:56 |
| M4rtinK | its basically a normal distro | 23:56 |
| artemma | 15MB is not most pleasant, but OKay in nowadays world and sure Jolla would have many qt packages preinstalled anyway | 23:56 |
| M4rtinK | so why should one do all those hacks ? | 23:56 |
| artemma | Hooray, my plugin runs! | 23:57 |
| M4rtinK | nothing better than to have 150 copies of bundled libraries | 23:57 |
| M4rtinK | each with its own set of exploitable holes | 23:57 |
| M4rtinK | and no way to update them | 23:57 |
| M4rtinK | not to mention bastardizing your packaging | 23:57 |
| artemma | M4rtinK: certainly for being ready to run on any firmware that user may have never updated | 23:57 |
| M4rtinK | you have to draw the line somewhere | 23:58 |
| * artemma wouldn't like a random dev's app to install hell a lot of packages to user's device | 23:58 | |
| M4rtinK | anyway | 23:58 |
| M4rtinK | I attended the Sailfish community events at FOSDEM this weekend | 23:58 |
| M4rtinK | and I got the impression the Jolla guys are working really hard on all this | 23:59 |
| artemma | damned, I made plugin work, but it looks sorta useless, LED resource seems to be forbidden whenever app is minimized | 23:59 |
| M4rtinK | it is really not easy to satisfy all the requirements | 23:59 |
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