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| sledges | mo/rn | 08:51 |
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| tbr | mooo | 08:52 |
| tbr | it's "friday"! \o/ | 08:52 |
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| sledges | tbr: link? | 09:01 |
| tbr | sledges: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0 | 09:02 |
| sledges | thanks ;) | 09:02 |
| sledges | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAFau7OGS1U&t=0m23s | 09:06 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil, where are you ? | 09:33 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :( | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | Sfiet_Konstantin: i made sure to kidnap fk_lx and faenil to have no dissidents on the etherpad | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: :D | 09:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | wanted to just do Nemo stuff | 09:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (Nemo UI stuff) | 09:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and wanted to know the state of the header, that's all | 09:34 |
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| sledges | Sfiet_Konstantin: judging by faenil's comments yesterday, he's working on it ;) | 10:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: :) | 10:14 |
| faenil | Sfiet_Konstantin, you have no clue the mess I'm doing to get that thing working | 10:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hey faenil | 10:16 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | I have a clue: I know it is a mess | 10:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :P | 10:16 |
| faenil | now fighting with anchors, getting weird behaviour when I reset those :( | 10:17 |
| faenil | it's like "wtf, y u no work anchors?" | 10:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: wanna some help ? | 10:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | either push to github or paste ? | 10:18 |
| faenil | why not, probably in the afternoon | 10:18 |
| faenil | Sfiet_Konstantin, no paste, it's a few files, includes c++ stuff etc | 10:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ok | 10:21 |
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| faenil | it's a timing issue, just think that if I change the order of anchors binding the result changes :/ | 10:23 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: :( | 10:26 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I know this | 10:26 |
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| sledges | qwazix: can qqc and silica co-exist on nemo? | 11:44 |
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| faenil | is that a design or a tech question :D | 11:54 |
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| sledges | tech | 12:01 |
| faenil | sledges, what issue do you think there could be | 12:03 |
| sledges | many, but none of them impossible | 12:03 |
| faenil | like? | 12:04 |
| sledges | from piratepad i got the impression that it's an impossible job though | 12:04 |
| sledges | so i wanted to see if i'm wrong | 12:04 |
| faenil | I don't see any issue actually | 12:04 |
| faenil | I mean, they could be relying on something which is only on sailifhs | 12:05 |
| faenil | then that's a problem | 12:05 |
| jukkaeklund | anybody tried cordova-qt on nemo recently? | 12:05 |
| sledges | faenil: ok so silica (which is open btw) can be on nemo, but that doesn't mean sailfish apps will run | 12:15 |
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| sledges | updated pp | 12:30 |
| sledges | http://piratepad.net/SailfishOSContributionAndDevelopment | 12:30 |
| sledges | jukkaeklund: nope :) | 12:32 |
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| jukkaeklund | sledges, thanks :/ | 12:35 |
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| alin | sledges: i suspect your instructions will be something on the line cm + libhybris for nexus 5 | 13:09 |
| alin | does one need cm 10? | 13:10 |
| alterego | alin: if you look at our public repos mer-hybris on github, it shows kinda what we're working with there. | 13:14 |
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| alin | all I see seem to be based on cm10... for nexus 5 there is only cm11 | 14:43 |
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| faenil | qwazix, Sfiet_Konstantin ping | 15:40 |
| alterego | alin: I don't know anyone in the community with an N5 ;) | 15:42 |
| alterego | I was contemplating getting one myself. | 15:42 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: pong | 15:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | was (is) sleeping | 15:43 |
| faenil | Sfiet_Konstantin,np :) | 15:43 |
| faenil | sleep :) | 15:43 |
| faenil | and sorry :D | 15:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | beware I'm still dizzy and won't reply correctly | 15:44 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | naaa, need to wake / get up | 15:44 |
| faenil | okay :p | 15:44 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I virtually spent the whole day sleeping :( | 15:44 |
| faenil | just thinkg, do you remember if you could change "tools" of a Page in harmattan? | 15:44 |
| faenil | I think you couldn't, and I can't find the code which does that (in case you could) | 15:44 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | you can | 15:44 |
| faenil | I mean, change them after you've set them | 15:45 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | that was the thing: you used to change the tools page in harmattan to change tools | 15:45 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yes, you can | 15:45 |
| faenil | it seems you can only set them once, when you push the page | 15:45 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | this was done specifically | 15:45 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | well I don't say that this used to work though :P | 15:45 |
| faenil | so you had to change the page.. | 15:45 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | no, there were tricks iirc | 15:45 |
| faenil | yeah but anyway | 15:46 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but you could change the tools, I'm pretty sure | 15:46 |
| faenil | not officially | 15:46 |
| faenil | I only need the official behavior | 15:46 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | the official was one page = one set of tools | 15:46 |
| faenil | ok, good | 15:46 |
| faenil | thanks | 15:46 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | tools was a property of page and iirc the tools were pushed when the page was pushed | 15:46 |
| faenil | yes, yes | 15:46 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and IIRC there were one global root toolbar | 15:47 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (imo) | 15:47 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | didn't studied the code | 15:47 |
| faenil | I read it and couldn't find the code handling the tools change | 15:47 |
| faenil | because it's not there :D | 15:47 |
| artemma | lucky you. /me spent most of the day having hard rape sex with new twitter cards. Most of the time as a victim. World of nemo looks so logical and pleasantly supported after it | 15:47 |
| faenil | lol | 15:47 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | artemma: what's the prob lem with twitter cards ? | 15:47 |
| artemma | Sfiet_Konstantin: they just suck and virtually not debuggable :) | 15:48 |
| faenil | artemma, btw, remember to push to nemo if you code something which could be useful for homescreen/apps/whatever | 15:48 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | artemma: ah yeah, I know | 15:48 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | of course | 15:48 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | social network stuff is most of the time deal with it | 15:48 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and no support | 15:48 |
| artemma | Sfiet_Konstantin: *new* twitter cards are times worse. They *sort of* add interactivity, but to use it you have to sacrifice your first born and walk 20 miles in the iron shoes. Ah yeah, and fight the dragon | 15:49 |
| artemma | faenil: my skills are not high enough | 15:49 |
| faenil | artemma, BS, sorry :p | 15:49 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | when writing Friends, I found quite nice and interesting behaviour from facebook APIs | 15:49 |
| artemma | @faenil: I can provide feedback and wishes, but I guess you have plenty of it already | 15:49 |
| faenil | artemma, no, you can provide code :) | 15:50 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | the most recent: comments that sometimes takes the offset in account and sometimes no | 15:50 |
| faenil | you don't have to think you're not up to the task ;) | 15:50 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | artemma: it is not a problem of skills, everybody have skills :) | 15:50 |
| artemma | Sfiet_Konstantin: you are right, it's more about motivation | 15:50 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | artemma: you know changing a typo is not about skills, still it is a contribution | 15:50 |
| artemma | faenil: can you provide ETA on when code could be in consumer Jolla devices if code is good? | 15:50 |
| artemma | that would influence me :) | 15:50 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and it makes you learn the project | 15:51 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | artemma: what kind of code ? | 15:51 |
| faenil | artemma, well, nothing of Nemo UI is ending in sailfish, only middleware stuff is shared | 15:51 |
| faenil | and core | 15:51 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: but artemma can contribute in core :) | 15:52 |
| artemma | so far .me wants to change one thing: it's pretty bad for my quick launcher that "Loading.." animation is fully inside lipstick and without external API. Also seems to have zero link to whether app is actually being started | 15:52 |
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| faenil | artemma, if that's in homescreen, it's closedsource. | 15:52 |
| artemma | so apps launched from 3rd party launcher like my quick launcher.. are not visible in task manager at all until fully started | 15:52 |
| artemma | @faenil: it's public lipstick code | 15:52 |
| faenil | ok, then change it, make pull request, and have people review it :) | 15:52 |
| artemma | I'd need some architecture discussion first | 15:53 |
| faenil | w00t is probably your best bet | 15:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | artemma: I guess that some people are available to do that | 15:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yep, was thinking of w00t too | 15:53 |
| artemma | opening up API for 3rd party launcher to show "Loading.."… real cool solution would actually notice that some app is being started and showed Loading.. as a result, but I have little idea how to track it | 15:54 |
| artemma | well.. you can watch all the processes in the system and if some of them is the main one of some registered app… maybe, but it's hard [to me] | 15:54 |
| Yaniel | the problem is | 15:57 |
| Yaniel | how does it know it is a UI application | 15:57 |
| faenil | Yaniel, it's all about windows | 15:59 |
| faenil | compositor creates a window, lipstick shows it | 15:59 |
| faenil | (if it's not filtered out by the rules defined) | 15:59 |
| faenil | actually app creates a window | 16:00 |
| faenil | compositor knows about it, and homescreen shows the new window | 16:01 |
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| sledges | artemma: /usr/bin/invoker can show loading splashscreens - wonder how this is implemented | 18:44 |
| artemma | sledges: that can be useful (and maybe works), but that's different | 18:45 |
| artemma | IMHO Loading.. card is shown way earlier | 18:45 |
| artemma | Like several seconds earlier | 18:45 |
| artemma | or maybe it's a symptom of splashscreen not working | 18:45 |
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| artemma | actually.. actually there are no jolla instructions for splashscreens and I seem to have subtle memories abt somebody telling there should be nothing about splashscreens in *.desktop for salifish | 18:46 |
| sledges | scrap the splashscreens | 18:46 |
| sledges | what i mean is that invoker knows when to show splashscreen, and most importantly, when to remove it | 18:47 |
| sledges | it might just be using a timeout | 18:48 |
| sledges | jolla launcher might do the same - the app appears when it appears | 18:48 |
| sledges | today i discovered an awesome feature of jolla launcher: you launch the camera to film for a long time, and at the moment of launch, homescreen returns to app-switcher and up - to show you the battery remaining ;) very useful | 18:49 |
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| sledges | split second, but enough to notice | 18:49 |
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| Morpog_PC | sledges, how could you miss that? | 19:06 |
| Morpog_PC | it's the same view as when you peek | 19:07 |
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| sledges | Morpog_PC: yes it is, importantly it jumps to that view as soon as you launch an app - so you don't have to peek later | 19:13 |
| Morpog_PC | yeah, I know ;) | 19:13 |
| Morpog_PC | i like it too | 19:13 |
| sledges | ;) | 19:14 |
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| artemma | Do you do debugging with timestamps, guys? | 20:36 |
| artemma | I am trying to inject timestamp to qDebug() via qInstallMessageHandler, but std::count seems to print to nowhere :/ | 20:37 |
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| faenil | artemma, don't know :/ | 20:42 |
| faenil | there is an env var which stores the message format | 20:43 |
| artemma | @faenil: timestamp is not an option there | 20:43 |
| faenil | mm ok | 20:43 |
| artemma | damned, qDebug() prints somehow after all | 20:43 |
| artemma | it's a pity I can't make debugging work in sailfish sdk | 20:43 |
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| faenil | artemma, http://qtway.blogspot.it/2009/11/persistent-logging-for-debug-purpose.html | 20:44 |
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| faenil | did you see that | 20:45 |
| artemma | @faenil: i did and I did same in the past, but this time I don't want to print to file | 20:45 |
| artemma | want to just log timestamps with message in many places to see how much speedup I get after a new feature is done | 20:45 |
| artemma | oh well, maybe its faster to manually inject timestamps in these several places.. | 20:46 |
| artemma | programmer iside me still wants a common solution | 20:46 |
| faenil | :) | 20:46 |
| faenil | artemma, so first things first, are you flushing? | 20:47 |
| artemma | probably not | 20:47 |
| artemma | @faenil: flushing helped! thanks! | 20:50 |
| faenil | artemma, :) great | 20:50 |
| faenil | if you're using printf the "\n" it should flush after printing "\n" | 20:50 |
| faenil | s/the "\n"// | 20:50 |
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| artemma | on device QML console.logs somehow do not go through the same qDebug() message handler as C++ messages. On emulator the do. Why? | 21:31 |
| artemma | I'd like both logging ways to go through same message handler for injecting timestamps | 21:31 |
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| faenil | mm | 21:38 |
| artemma | to my understanding console.log is implemented via qDebug, so if it doesn't work, it means that.. it uses some other instance of qDebug()? | 21:39 |
| artemma | I give up, will just print time in few most important places | 21:48 |
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| faenil | artemma, try have a look https://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qtdeclarative/source/845f8eedb8c52fe1285f40a1478e45597e224c8a:src/qml/qml/v8/qqmlbuiltinfunctions.cpp#L160 | 21:51 |
| artemma | doesn't tell much to me | 21:51 |
| artemma | well, apparently it instantiates own logger | 21:51 |
| artemma | apparently v8 on device is somehow more release build or something like this and doesn't link to main program logger somehow | 21:52 |
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| artemma | @faenil: I built my own dummy cpp logging class and injected instance via qmlRegisterSingletonType | 22:22 |
| faenil | artemma, yeah that can do :) | 22:22 |
| artemma | this way everything goes throw the same qDebug(), but I need to change all console.log to TLog.log | 22:22 |
| faenil | yeah | 22:22 |
| faenil | easy peasy | 22:22 |
| faenil | replace all :D | 22:22 |
| artemma | I would prefer just working with same qdebug though | 22:23 |
| * artemma spent some 2-3 hours on building single time logging for measuring performance improve for the feature he has now no time to build. Programmer syndrome definitely | 22:25 | |
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| faenil | :D | 22:31 |
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