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| vakkov | a guy asked me about sailfish on the n900 :D :D :D | 09:18 |
| tbr | :) | 09:18 |
| vakkov | so i uploaded this .ks which i made in december Thomas Schneider | 09:18 |
| vakkov | oops | 09:18 |
| vakkov | http://pastebin.com/gC5E2fwq | 09:18 |
| vakkov | it booted to the welcome screen as i remember .. if someone fixes wayland .. | 09:20 |
| vakkov | and mods their n900 with a bigger ram+nand chip :D | 09:21 |
| vakkov | and has graduated from hogwarts | 09:23 |
| tbr | maybe a nekro900 if that ever ships | 09:27 |
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| sledges | gmornin! | 09:32 |
| blackjack4it | hi all ;)! | 09:32 |
| tbr | mooo | 09:32 |
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| wazd_ | heya | 09:35 |
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| sledges | some nifty discussions on design to catch up from yesterday ;) | 09:42 |
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| faenil | morning o/ | 09:43 |
| * faenil has gone c++ to implement header | 09:43 | |
| faenil | input handling is so fun | 09:44 |
| sledges | still the propagation of events faenil ? | 09:45 |
| faenil | yep | 09:45 |
| sledges | fun for real :) | 09:45 |
| faenil | indeed | 09:45 |
| faenil | having some issues at the moment with the qqc being optimized for desktop | 09:46 |
| faenil | they seem to think the hover even is still live, when it's not | 09:46 |
| faenil | event* | 09:46 |
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| vgrade | morn | 09:48 |
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| faenil | sledges, right, I forgot I was testing stuff without Nemo style files -.- | 09:57 |
| faenil | vgrade, o/ how you doing | 09:57 |
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| faenil | sletta, can you have a quick look at this and tell me if this is how it should work? http://pastebin.com/ySYGRkxf | 10:10 |
| faenil | on Qt5.1 and Qt5.2 you can't drag starting from the Text | 10:10 |
| sletta | you can't? | 10:12 |
| faenil | nope | 10:13 |
| faenil | tested on 5.1.1 and 5.2 desktop | 10:13 |
| sletta | seems to work here (dev branch) | 10:13 |
| sletta | I was puzzled by drag.target: parent (aka the toplevel element), but it works just fine | 10:13 |
| faenil | yeah | 10:14 |
| sletta | works on 5.2.1 branch as well | 10:14 |
| faenil | starts to be worrying... do you have 5.2.0 handy? | 10:14 |
| sletta | So far I tested on mac. I tried 5.1.1 on linux and that also works | 10:15 |
| faenil | :/ | 10:15 |
| sletta | 5.2.0 on linux works as well | 10:15 |
| faenil | wth... | 10:15 |
| sletta | Where does this not work? | 10:15 |
| faenil | on my machine... | 10:15 |
| faenil | linux | 10:16 |
| sletta | stock 5.2.0 64bit? | 10:16 |
| faenil | yes | 10:16 |
| sletta | weird | 10:16 |
| faenil | if I drag from inner or outer rectangle it works | 10:16 |
| faenil | if I drag from the text it doesn't | 10:16 |
| sletta | right.. I'm dragging on the square | 10:16 |
| faenil | ah ok, so can you try dragging starting from the text :) | 10:18 |
| sletta | I can not :) | 10:18 |
| faenil | wohoo :D | 10:18 |
| faenil | do you think this is expected (for whatever reason) or I should file a bug? | 10:19 |
| faenil | I'd say it's a bug, but wanted to be sure before filing it | 10:19 |
| sletta | QQuickText sets acceptedMoueButtons to left to intercept clicking on links. I guess that is why it doesn't pick it up | 10:21 |
| faenil | sletta, but you don't have the same issue if you put it inside a ListView, which filtersChildrenMouseEvent | 10:22 |
| sletta | yep, and it gives a buggy impression, even if it was intended | 10:23 |
| sletta | I'd say file a bug | 10:23 |
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| faenil | sletta, mm so you think it should keep blocking events? | 10:23 |
| vgrade | faenil: i'm good, | 10:25 |
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| sletta | Ideally it would be able to distinguish between a click (which activates the link) and a drag which should go to the MouseArea's drag. | 10:27 |
| faenil | yeah, ok we agree | 10:27 |
| sletta | ok, just confirmed that the not setting "accepts left button" on the text elements makes it draggable. | 10:27 |
| sletta | It is set unconditionally, even for non-html texts | 10:28 |
| faenil | https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-36468 | 10:28 |
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| wazd_ | faenil, o/ | 11:12 |
| faenil | wazd_, o/ | 11:12 |
| wazd_ | have you seen my drawer concept? | 11:12 |
| faenil | nope | 11:13 |
| wazd_ | https://dl-web.dropbox.com/get/Public/Nemo/Glacier/ui1.png?w=AACZy_X6z13VGSE3D8Z473ajiCwD3yH9V8W2FEZiXG6t8Q | 11:13 |
| wazd_ | what do you think? | 11:15 |
| stephg_ | 403 | 11:15 |
| faenil | yeah not much to think about :D | 11:16 |
| wazd_ | https://dl-web.dropbox.com/get/Public/Nemo/Glacier/ui1.png | 11:16 |
| stephg_ | still 403! | 11:16 |
| wazd_ | goddan dropbox | 11:16 |
| stephg_ | hehe | 11:16 |
| wazd_ | fu dropbox! | 11:16 |
| wazd_ | ok, look up for it in logs, I surrender :) | 11:19 |
| coderus | looks like your local link | 11:20 |
| sledges | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/96361817/Nemo/Glacier/ui1.png | 11:20 |
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| stephg_ | that's better | 11:21 |
| wazd_ | oh, thanks a lot :) | 11:21 |
| * sledges showed it to a friend on facebook yesterday, so link was within hand's reach :) | 11:23 | |
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| wazd_ | coderus, Mobile dropbox always gives me local one even when I tap 'share'. Happy birthday btw :) | 11:24 |
| faenil | wazd_, behaviour? | 11:24 |
| faenil | oh yeah, happy bd coderus ! :) | 11:24 |
| sledges | hb! | 11:24 |
| blackjack4it | hb! | 11:26 |
| wazd_ | faenil, well, right now it's more about toolbar labels styling, behaviour would be the same as it is now to minimize time impact | 11:26 |
| faenil | wazd_, so the clipboard line will be always visible to be able to open the toolbar? | 11:27 |
| faenil | what happens with kbd, what happens at the bottom with that fade when it's at the last item | 11:27 |
| faenil | also, this means we have two toolbars visible on screen | 11:28 |
| coderus | wazd_: thanks :) | 11:28 |
| coderus | faenil: thank you :) | 11:28 |
| coderus | blackjack4it: ty! | 11:29 |
| wazd_ | imo header should slide up when you scroll things down and appear when you scroll up + back swipe guesture | 11:29 |
| faenil | wazd_, I mean, I like the graphics very much, but the behaviour is an important point to decide | 11:29 |
| faenil | ah ok, the bb10-y thing | 11:29 |
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| wazd_ | not quite, in bb10 it's locked at the top | 11:30 |
| wazd_ | more like sailfish browser | 11:30 |
| wazd_ | it will slide from the top on scroll up even when you're in the middle of the list | 11:30 |
| artemma | on iOS and Android there is Pocket application (yet another read-it-later thing) that has pretty well done toolbar like this | 11:31 |
| wazd_ | also | 11:32 |
| wazd_ | oops | 11:32 |
| wazd_ | fade out is just a fancy thing for your entertainment but it would be spec'ed if you wish as all animations and behaviors | 11:33 |
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| wazd_ | I can even create my awesome 'blood from your eyes' flash animation for demo :)) | 11:33 |
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| faenil | damn login expiring | 11:34 |
| faenil | wazd_, sorry misread header for toolbar | 11:35 |
| faenil | bb10 toolbar does like that, and sailfish browser toolbar as well | 11:35 |
| faenil | but here we're talking about header | 11:35 |
| faenil | so, what happens to toolbar :) | 11:35 |
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| wazd_ | 1st row stays open, swipe it up to open drawer | 11:38 |
| wazd_ | as much as you want | 11:38 |
| faenil | so I guess that implies no customizable layers | 11:38 |
| faenil | or at least first one must be a row | 11:38 |
| faenil | with fixed height | 11:38 |
| faenil | and this implies no drawing tools toolbar, for example | 11:38 |
| faenil | stop me if I'm misunderstanding ;) | 11:39 |
| wazd_ | I think we should fix the height of the toolbar and fix the number of 'buttons/hotspots' to max of 6, but it's up to dev to decide how it should look like | 11:41 |
| faenil | what do you mean by fixing the height of the toolbar | 11:42 |
| faenil | what are you referring to as toolbar here, the first level of the drawre? | 11:42 |
| wazd_ | each bar in the drawer | 11:43 |
| faenil | ok,so no more customizable levels | 11:43 |
| wazd_ | yes, but it has a purpose | 11:43 |
| faenil | so basically it's exactly the same as the current header but at the bottom, and with fixed levels | 11:45 |
| wazd_ | when you open the keyboard, one row of the drawer would still be visible and you'll be able to flick thru all the bars to choose the one you need for your task. Like text color switching or weight or whatever | 11:45 |
| faenil | + there is a header at the top with the back button | 11:45 |
| faenil | what wait? :) | 11:45 |
| wazd_ | yes, and tabs are also integrated into the header | 11:46 |
| faenil | wait what, actually | 11:46 |
| wazd_ | well, that was the crazy part :D | 11:46 |
| faenil | rephrase and more details please | 11:47 |
| faenil | maybe qwazix is alive as well? | 11:47 |
| wazd_ | I mean imagine you're typing a rich formatted letter with colors, italics bolds and sht. You open the keyboard and you have one toolbar still opened. But what if you don't need the initial one but font settings, or colors or paragraph, or whatever. Imo you should be able to flick thru all the 'shelves' like you do in harmattan's terminal | 11:50 |
| faenil | yeah but define shelves | 11:52 |
| faenil | and also,this is all cool for an editor, but is it needed for most of the apps? | 11:52 |
| faenil | are shelves special elements, or are they just the toolbar rows rearranged horizontally? | 11:52 |
| wazd_ | shelves = toolbar rows :) | 11:53 |
| faenil | and what happens when you're in a toolbar row and you close the kbd, how do you rearrange them vertically? | 11:53 |
| wazd_ | and that's the question I'm thinking about right now :) | 11:54 |
| faenil | xD | 11:54 |
| faenil | also, do you like the fact that once you scroll vertically, once horizontally? | 11:54 |
| faenil | don't you lose consistency there? | 11:54 |
| wazd_ | you can flick up and down, I'm not against it | 11:55 |
| wazd_ | it can even have a haptic feedback | 11:55 |
| faenil | you mean instead of horizontally | 11:56 |
| wazd_ | yes | 11:56 |
| faenil | (even when kbd is open) | 11:56 |
| wazd_ | when it's open you scroll thru bars within one opened bar | 11:56 |
| faenil | sounds like a receipt for getting lost inside a tiny toolbar while it scrolls through the levels :D | 11:56 |
| faenil | so when kbd is open you can scroll one level at a time? | 11:57 |
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| wazd_ | no, you can scroll multiple levels but you'll see only one row. I'll make an animation later this evening :) | 11:58 |
| faenil | okay, so, don't you think you'll get lost if you scroll a bit | 11:58 |
| faenil | and see all the rows scrolling inside that tiny space of the toolbar | 11:58 |
| wazd_ | not at all | 11:59 |
| wazd_ | you'll hardly have more than 4 or max 5 rows in some crazy cases | 12:00 |
| faenil | wazd_, okay then have a chat with qwazix, do animations which cover all cases (or images with -> are ok) | 12:00 |
| faenil | but since I'm really running out of time, I'll continue working on the header in the meanwhile | 12:00 |
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| wazd_ | I'd even vote to limit rows count to 5 | 12:01 |
| wazd_ | sure | 12:01 |
| wazd_ | Cause if you need more than 5 then you're doing it wrong :) | 12:02 |
| faenil | wazd_, but remember this means no drawing tools and similar applications, when you need higher levels | 12:02 |
| wazd_ | I'm not even sure if you need higher levels for drawing tools actually :) | 12:04 |
| wazd_ | It's more about visual consistency of 99.9% of apps than ability to create some crazy ass custom skeumorphic UIs for 0.1% | 12:07 |
| wazd_ | Qt allows you to create whatever you want anyway | 12:07 |
| faenil | wazd_, discuss with qwazix :) | 12:09 |
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| Stskeeps | okay, who of you are commercializing meego CE? | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | http://cdn.mobilaps.dk/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/nokia_normandy-610x381.jpg | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:11 |
| wazd_ | lots of phantom nokia devices nowadays :) | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | wazd_: and how many % are yours? | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:18 |
| wazd_ | at least that one has 4 sims and TV :D | 12:18 |
| wazd_ | Unfortunately 0, but I'm working on it :) | 12:19 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, lol | 12:23 |
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