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| sledges | huawey! | 10:53 |
| faenil | woha! | 11:05 |
| tbr | moo | 11:06 |
| faenil | why do I always get stuck with events propagation in qtquick...after 2 years, still same issues... | 11:12 |
| faenil | 3 actually | 11:13 |
| wazd | faenil: o/ | 11:15 |
| wazd | faenil: have you read my review on subject? :) | 11:15 |
| faenil | nope :/ | 11:15 |
| wazd | Long story short © I think Header and Toolbar drawer should be two separate items | 11:16 |
| wazd | toolbar on the bottom, header on the top | 11:16 |
| faenil | :O | 11:17 |
| wazd | cause header+tools+back/up+drawer+optional keyboard suggestions = red zone on the screen :) | 11:18 |
| wazd | if you move current header concept to the bottom | 11:19 |
| faenil | separating the two means yet less real screen estate | 11:20 |
| faenil | and how does that solve the keyboard issue | 11:20 |
| wazd | it does not, but at least you don't have devastating "back" function near suggestion | 11:21 |
| wazd | since back cancels everything input | 11:21 |
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| wazd | another thing that calls on moving drawer to the bottom is correlation with statusbar behavior | 11:25 |
| wazd | since it draws from the bottom too | 11:25 |
| wazd | UX consistency and shit :D | 11:25 |
| faenil | mm? | 11:25 |
| faenil | about the kbd stuff, I think we should just hide toolbar/drawer when kbd is open | 11:26 |
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| faenil | that way you get rid of all those issues | 11:26 |
| wazd | So, when you want to type something bold you'll need to hide keyboard, press B, open keyboard, type, close keyboard, press B, open keyoard | 11:27 |
| wazd | Good luck with promoting that idea :D | 11:27 |
| faenil | yeah that's bad, but is it better to change hold of the phone because the toolbar is up and you can't reach it? | 11:28 |
| smokex | is the pully menu still avail when the kbd is open? | 11:29 |
| faenil | smokex, we're in nemo, no pulley menu :) | 11:29 |
| smokex | oh oops :D | 11:29 |
| smokex | gm faenil btw :) | 11:30 |
| faenil | morning :) | 11:30 |
| faenil | wazd, can you describe your solution again, or point me to the discussion | 11:30 |
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| faenil | wazd, ok read your review, now I'm yet more confused...you say drawer at bottom is okay, toolbar at bottom is okay, you don't like the back button at the bottom...is that correct? | 11:37 |
| wazd | I'm not sure bout my solution since I remembered that you actually pull the statusbar from the bottom edge in Nemo right now | 11:37 |
| wazd | If I recall it correctly | 11:37 |
| faenil | there's no bar in nemo atm | 11:37 |
| wazd | I mean according to specifications | 11:38 |
| faenil | ahm, then I don't know that part | 11:38 |
| wazd | https://github.com/qwazix/glacier-controls-spec/blob/master/statusbar/statusbar_specs.png | 11:39 |
| faenil | holy god | 11:41 |
| wazd | :D | 11:41 |
| sledges | :D | 11:43 |
| faenil | and where is the spec for that? | 11:43 |
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| faenil | I mean, okay, that is a drawing with some measures on it, where is the behaviour? | 11:44 |
| wazd | This IS spec :P | 11:44 |
| faenil | but, it doesn't even say how you open it | 11:44 |
| sledges | not put out in words yet | 11:44 |
| faenil | okay | 11:44 |
| wazd | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Glacier <- It's marked as ready | 11:45 |
| Yaniel | the dialog specs have behaviour written on the right side of the image | 11:45 |
| faenil | then I guess we have a big problem | 11:45 |
| faenil | Yaniel, talking about statusbar atm | 11:45 |
| Yaniel | yes | 11:45 |
| sledges | it is always visible on the home screen | 11:45 |
| sledges | and otherwise app needs to be pulled up | 11:45 |
| sledges | to show it | 11:45 |
| sledges | comes from here: http://hurrian.github.io/glacier/images/QtControls.png | 11:46 |
| faenil | okay, then of course drawer at the bottom can't work :( | 11:46 |
| Yaniel | how do you do that when the app is scrollable? | 11:46 |
| sledges | but this is the first rudimentary description | 11:46 |
| sledges | we have to marry it with new ideas now ;) | 11:46 |
| sledges | qwazix know about status bar (he accepted the PR) | 11:46 |
| sledges | all freedom :) | 11:47 |
| faenil | yeah, qwazix, we're summoning you :D | 11:47 |
| faenil | there are too many things underspecced still | 11:47 |
| faenil | to be able to implement it | 11:47 |
| faenil | I'm going crazy with the header | 11:47 |
| faenil | I mean, I don't even know on which side of the screen it should be! XD | 11:47 |
| sledges | well, yes you are blocked :) | 11:48 |
| faenil | now I remember why I stopped working on header months ago :p | 11:48 |
| wazd | Btw, I wouldn't be that much excited bout whole drawer idea since it's just a side menu on top, acts just the same | 11:48 |
| wazd | I mean it works but it can't be the defenitive feature of Nemo | 11:49 |
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| faenil | wazd, you know any cool feature is welcome | 11:50 |
| wazd | It's even called the same in Android | 11:50 |
| wazd | I'm not against it in any way, I should mention | 11:50 |
| faenil | I'm open to revolution, I just want to push the thing further | 11:52 |
| faenil | we've been stuck for a while | 11:52 |
| faenil | and *disclaimer*: I'll be disappearing for a month or more | 11:52 |
| faenil | starting the next few days (where few < 5 ) | 11:52 |
| wazd | Sorry to hear that, I hope it's vacation :) | 11:53 |
| faenil | nope, it's final burst to finish uni exams | 11:53 |
| faenil | I wish it were vacation.. | 11:54 |
| wazd | ah. then good luck with that :) | 11:54 |
| faenil | thx | 11:54 |
| faenil | I hoped I could push header before leaving :) | 11:55 |
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| sledges | faenil: our hopes for you | 12:00 |
| sledges | but you are coming to fosdem soon too ;) | 12:01 |
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| faenil | sledges, yeah | 12:02 |
| wazd | to finish header we should figure out statusbar | 12:02 |
| sledges | or finish position-independent | 12:03 |
| wazd | yeah, that will do | 12:03 |
| faenil | that won't do | 12:03 |
| faenil | unless you cripple header's functionality | 12:04 |
| faenil | but if designers can figure that out | 12:04 |
| faenil | please let me know it within 1 hour | 12:04 |
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| faenil | sledges, how can you be position independent when you have kbd and statusbar to take into account :) | 12:05 |
| sledges | do only contents | 12:05 |
| sledges | not behaviour | 12:05 |
| faenil | header is mostly behaviour | 12:05 |
| sledges | i mean, if you run out of time | 12:05 |
| faenil | there's nothing really content, as you can put what you want in the drawer | 12:06 |
| faenil | it's all about interaction with the drawer and toolbuttons in the toolbar | 12:06 |
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| faenil | wazd, I think it's about prioritizing access to element | 12:19 |
| faenil | what do we want to be more accessible? | 12:19 |
| wazd | On the one hand it's "back" ofcourse, but it would be a mistake to make it super accessible | 12:20 |
| wazd | back should be obvious, but you should be able to tap it only on purpose | 12:21 |
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| faenil | wazd, yeah imho from most to least important: back, drawer, status | 12:26 |
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| wazd | that's why we should move status bar to the top :D | 12:39 |
| faenil | I'm not against that | 12:40 |
| faenil | but we still have the issue of back button too close to keyboard | 12:40 |
| faenil | I think that's a good compromise, unless we have better ideas | 12:40 |
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| wazd_ | I still think that header should be purely navigational and behave like Sailfish header in browser: you scroll down, it disappears, you scroll up - it appears | 12:50 |
| wazd_ | tabs/label + back | 12:51 |
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| faenil | bb10 anyone? :p | 12:53 |
| wazd_ | it's extremely straightforward. As for 'back' action duplication we can use swipe from left (not on the screen but from edge) | 12:53 |
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| faenil | from edge? nono I think :/ | 12:54 |
| wazd_ | why not? | 12:54 |
| faenil | don't know, looks weird to me | 12:54 |
| faenil | btw, so how do you handle your kbd with bold setting toolbar? | 12:55 |
| wazd_ | seems obvious to me, you kinda pull hiddrn window from left | 12:55 |
| wazd_ | hidden | 12:55 |
| faenil | ? | 12:55 |
| wazd_ | that was about edge swipe gesture | 12:56 |
| faenil | ah ok | 12:56 |
| faenil | bbl, lunch | 12:56 |
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| faenil | write here :) | 12:56 |
| wazd_ | as for keyboard, now you have it and one opened row of tools so you can type and edit quickly :) | 12:57 |
| wazd_ | drawer size is limited to "keyboard size + 1 row of tools". you can probably even flick thru panels to chose the right one for your typing needs | 12:59 |
| wazd_ | or any needs :) | 12:59 |
| wazd_ | maybe with left or right swipl | 13:01 |
| wazd_ | oops | 13:01 |
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| wazd | hmm | 13:09 |
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| wazd | ok, anyway, maybe with left or right swipe like harmattan's terminal does or up and down to preserve logical consistency | 13:10 |
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| faenil | connection login expired :) | 13:11 |
| faenil | did you address the back button on top of letter q? | 13:12 |
| wazd | nope, I think it should be at the top in the header | 13:16 |
| wazd | supported by swipe gesture | 13:16 |
| qwazix | faenil, wazd I will be available later to finalize this. Sorry I got to go now | 13:16 |
| faenil | wazd, ah, well yeah if we add a gesture to go back then yes, but then we can also leave header drawer at the top | 13:17 |
| wazd | no, you need tools under your thumbs :) | 13:18 |
| qwazix | wazd, no, you need canvas under your thumbs | 13:18 |
| qwazix | and also, what you said with Bold | 13:18 |
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| faenil | well, he said that bold is correct at bottom :p | 13:24 |
| qwazix | he didn't say that you'd have to close keyboard to click it? | 13:24 |
| * qwazix reads back | 13:25 | |
| wazd | I did | 13:25 |
| qwazix | btw to my defence, header is fully specced. I'm just responding to community concerns and willing to discuss | 13:25 |
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| qwazix | anyway, really got to go now, we'll talk later | 13:26 |
| wazd | cya | 13:27 |
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| faenil | qwazix, we were talking about statusbar missing proper spec, not header | 13:40 |
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| faenil | MohammadAG, o/ | 13:50 |
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| faenil | sledges, just watching nemo glacier wiki, tabs is "done" by me? I don't remember that :D | 14:32 |
| faenil | s/watching/having a look at/ | 14:32 |
| sledges | it was in examples | 14:33 |
| sledges | made by you | 14:33 |
| sledges | but yea | 14:33 |
| sledges | probably just hardcoded | 14:33 |
| faenil | mm no :/ | 14:33 |
| sledges | i.e. not a component as such | 14:33 |
| faenil | there's no tab style so far, afaik :/ | 14:33 |
| sledges | ok | 14:33 |
| sledges | amend it pls ;) | 14:33 |
| faenil | sure, I just wanted to understand if I'm missing something | 14:33 |
| faenil | :) | 14:33 |
| faenil | maybe I did it and I forgot xD | 14:34 |
| faenil | about it | 14:34 |
| sledges | git blame :D | 14:34 |
| faenil | there's no tabstyle in git, just the tab page using unstyled tabs | 14:35 |
| faenil | (i.e. official qqc) | 14:35 |
| sledges | ok | 14:35 |
| sledges | thought so :) | 14:35 |
| * faenil has a second look :D | 14:35 | |
| sledges | so job done :D | 14:35 |
| faenil | mm I think it's using the upstream android style | 14:37 |
| faenil | job done? :D | 14:37 |
| sledges | yea they looked good :D | 14:37 |
| faenil | ahah | 14:37 |
| sledges | ok ok, i guess they are not according to specs | 14:37 |
| faenil | yeah but unfortunately our specs have different behaviour, not just style :D | 14:37 |
| sledges | wait | 14:37 |
| sledges | where are the specs? | 14:37 |
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| sledges | on wiki it links to 'trivial' | 14:37 |
| faenil | in header | 14:37 |
| sledges | yup | 14:38 |
| sledges | i like those | 14:38 |
| sledges | need to fix wiki | 14:38 |
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| * faenil still doesn't understand why he can't just propagate all events from a mousearea to another mousearea underneath | 14:42 | |
| faenil | without ignoring the events in the top one, that is :/ | 14:42 |
| faenil | let's see if w00t is around | 14:43 |
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| filippz | krnlyng: ping | 16:05 |
| krnlyng | filippz: pong | 16:05 |
| filippz | krnlyng: I just tried too boot 3.5 with vgrade r5.1 Sailfish - no luck. You are using Sailifsh, right? | 16:06 |
| krnlyng | filippz: yes | 16:06 |
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| krnlyng | filippz: try blacklisting the wl12xx module | 16:07 |
| faenil | how is it going with kernel hacking people :) | 16:07 |
| filippz | OK, I'll try | 16:07 |
| krnlyng | filippz: maybe it is the same issue as for me | 16:07 |
| filippz | Maybe... | 16:07 |
| filippz | faenil: spent 12 day trying to turn off front led | 16:08 |
| faenil | filippz, ouch, must have been fun :) | 16:08 |
| filippz | very - the thing is that tche schematics point to two power sources for led (lp5521, and twl5031) | 16:09 |
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| filippz | in fact there is third one - not in the board condig - but it's passed as a parameter to boot loader... which didn't get processed by kernel... | 16:10 |
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| faenil | I see :/ | 16:12 |
| filippz | That's out of the way, but the overall power consumption is too high - camera "privacy" led accounts for some of it, but not all... | 16:13 |
| filippz | I'll probably try to port the remaining drivers first, and worry about that later | 16:14 |
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| sledges | doing great filippz ! | 16:16 |
| sledges | have you seen announcement by Aard btw? | 16:16 |
| sledges | that middleware will slowly but surely start to have a requirement for 3.x kernel ~3 months from now | 16:17 |
| sledges | no pressure *g* | 16:17 |
| filippz | Yes - that's the real question. Make another branch for all the mer stuff, or we'll move to 3.5 - with all its problems? | 16:17 |
| sledges | that's the 3 coming months to answer this question | 16:18 |
| filippz | we'll see in a moth or two where we stand... | 16:18 |
| * sledges nods | 16:18 | |
| sledges | i just wanted to thank you and krnlyng for doing this effort | 16:19 |
| sledges | keeping the N9/950 flag fly | 16:19 |
| filippz | no problem - I'm learning a lot - and if it helps someone - the better | 16:20 |
| krnlyng | sledges: i didn't do much, filippz is the guy :) | 16:20 |
| faenil | yeah you're doing awesome job :) | 16:21 |
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| sledges | every bit helps | 16:24 |
| * sledges undusts his n9 ^_^ | 16:26 | |
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| sledges | needs a lil bit of soldering.. | 16:26 |
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| krnlyng | filippz: did you manage to boot sailfish? | 16:43 |
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| filippz | krnlyng: it just occured to me that I didin't install wl12xx firmware - I'll try to boot into 2.6 and install it... | 16:45 |
| filippz | krnlyng: did you try the patch from other day I found? | 16:47 |
| krnlyng | filippz: what patch, sorry i honestly don't remember | 16:48 |
| filippz | http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23nemomobile/%23nemomobile.2014-01-24.log.html#t2014-01-24T06:36:43 | 16:48 |
| krnlyng | filippz: uh nice, that seems to be related, i will try it | 16:50 |
| krnlyng | filippz: did you manage to boot sailfish? | 16:50 |
| filippz | just to add repo and install ti-firmware... | 16:52 |
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| krnlyng | filippz: i applied the patch but it still crashes during boot :( | 16:59 |
| qwazix | faenil, let's reduce our problem to simpler parts. Do you agree that if we move the back button (or find another way - gesture) off the header it will be okay to leave the header up top? | 16:59 |
| faenil | well, yeah it's "acceptable", as in moving it to bottom creates other issues so it could be that having it at the top is ok | 17:00 |
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| qwazix | ok another question. Do you think that doing the back gesture as in sailfish is good enough, and is it possible to implement without giant hacks? | 17:01 |
| qwazix | Our other options are: overlay button (like the sailfish dots, or MicroB fullscreen) on the bottom, that gets covered by keyboard when open, and outside swipe from left | 17:02 |
| qwazix | (I dislike the swipe idea, I prefer to keep swipes clean, like harmattan) | 17:03 |
| filippz | krnlyng: with same message? | 17:03 |
| faenil | qwazix, not sure about how much effort is needed to do the swipe thing | 17:04 |
| qwazix | thought so | 17:04 |
| qwazix | a button that sits above content? | 17:04 |
| faenil | but it shouldn't matter, as long as it's doable | 17:04 |
| qwazix | faenil, it's definitely doable, but even on sailfish it isn't quite flawless | 17:05 |
| krnlyng | filippz: http://pastebin.com/YNmUgZef | 17:05 |
| qwazix | In any way, I think the back behaviour can be discussed independently as long as we agree to keep header up top but without the back button | 17:06 |
| faenil | yes | 17:07 |
| qwazix | ok | 17:08 |
| krnlyng | filippz: i think i am going to open up my n9 and solder some wires to the UART pins so i can get a complete kmsg log, sometime these days... | 17:08 |
| qwazix | so now you only need the DockItem spec from me to complete header, right? | 17:08 |
| faenil | yeah, if there's nothing else that needs addressing | 17:09 |
| filippz | krnlyng: Received SIGUSR1, and not a word about wl12xx - that's not cool... | 17:10 |
| qwazix | can't think of something, ping me if you do stumble upon anything. Most probably I'll have the DockItem by tomorrow. I think a plain Item with paddings will do. | 17:10 |
| faenil | yeah | 17:11 |
| faenil | or we can decide that there will be a columnlayout inside the drawer | 17:11 |
| krnlyng | filippz: i've just booted with the wl12xx blacklisted and loaded it manually via and the phone didn't crash so far, so maybe this fixes one of two bugs? | 17:12 |
| qwazix | faenil, maybe listView? | 17:12 |
| krnlyng | via modprobe* | 17:12 |
| faenil | qwazix, why, we don't want it to be scrollable, or you'll create inconsistence with the snapping, imho | 17:13 |
| qwazix | true, scratch that | 17:13 |
| faenil | maybe just single items with padding is ok | 17:13 |
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| krnlyng | filippz: i got two beacon losses and it didn't crash :) | 17:14 |
| filippz | krnlyng: and wlan is working? | 17:14 |
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| qwazix | yep, simple Items, so that we don't create extra complexity | 17:15 |
| krnlyng | filippz: yes | 17:16 |
| faenil | yeah | 17:16 |
| faenil | krnlyng, wohoo! :D | 17:16 |
| filippz | maybe moving rm680_init_wl1271, at the later point in board file could help? | 17:16 |
| krnlyng | filippz: i can try that | 17:16 |
| krnlyng | faenil: yeah :) seems we're getting closer | 17:17 |
| krnlyng | by moving around in my appartement i triggerd the connection loss work stuff, and it didn't crash :) | 17:20 |
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| krnlyng | filippz: i haven't tried moving rm680_init_wl1271 yet but i got some interesting logs: http://pastebin.com/HaAYSfDJ (i didn't do anything, i had the phone lying next to me doing nothing) | 17:34 |
| krnlyng | look at this part: http://pastebin.com/KYF7YvAN | 17:35 |
| filippz | krnlyng: starneg, and I blacklisted wl12xx and now I get white led on and nothing more - it just sitting there | 17:37 |
| filippz | ^strange | 17:37 |
| filippz | can you send me kernle image and modules - maybe I'm doing something wrong... | 17:38 |
| krnlyng | filippz: are you using ubiboot? if yes did you apply the l2fix patch? (it might boot very slowly otherwise) | 17:38 |
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| filippz | yes - it should be there, I pulled it.. I'll check it - just to be sure | 17:39 |
| krnlyng | wow it boots with rm680_init_wl1271 moved down! | 17:42 |
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| filippz | it's there but at last it booted but sloooow - make clean is my next step | 17:42 |
| filippz | where did you move it to? | 17:43 |
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| krnlyng | filippz: to the bottom of rm680_peripherals_init after omap_bt_init(&rm680_bt_config); | 17:44 |
| filippz | that makes sense - omap_hsmmc_init(mmc) before that has something to do with wlan | 17:46 |
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| krnlyng | what does this do? | 17:49 |
| filippz | strangely - it seems that the communication to wl1271 is done trough mmc controls (eMMC is one card, and wl127 another "card") | 17:50 |
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| tbr | SDIO | 17:51 |
| tbr | and yes, wl127x is an SDIO connected chipset | 17:51 |
| krnlyng | okay then this makes sense | 17:51 |
| krnlyng | but it doesn't make sense to me why it worked for you filippz | 17:52 |
| filippz | nemomobile vs sailfish - it was working in nemo, and not in Sailfish - now I have the same problem in Sailfish | 17:54 |
| krnlyng | okay hm | 17:54 |
| krnlyng | filippz: should i commit the changes and make a pull request or wait if we find something else? | 17:54 |
| filippz | I've just rebuild the kernel, and I'll try again - if it works then commit->push->PR | 17:55 |
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| filippz | No - its the same - slooooow boot. Can you send me your image+modules? | 17:57 |
| vakkov | damn, i also struggle with wi fi drivers on the n900 ... | 17:59 |
| filippz | l2fix is there - it worked OK for me in nemo even w/o the fix... | 18:00 |
| filippz | vakkov: wlan (n9) on 3.5 works better (for me at least) than 2.6 | 18:01 |
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| filippz | damn - I was compiling trash (terminal was open when I trashed directory - it just stayed there and did its thing - on the trash) | 18:07 |
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| krnlyng | filippz: do you need the kernel+modules still? i am still uploading | 18:12 |
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| filippz | my PC is acting up - I'll try your version first - until I resolve this... | 18:19 |
| krnlyng | filippz: i sent you the link via pm | 18:19 |
| krnlyng | filippz: i have rootfs set to /dev/mmcblk0p1 i hope this works for you | 18:23 |
| krnlyng | but i think you can change it via ubiboots cmdline apply | 18:23 |
| krnlyng | or edit it with a hex editor ;) | 18:24 |
| filippz | I resolved my problem with PC - it booted - now I'm going to remove wl12xx from blacklist | 18:27 |
| filippz | and it doesn't boot :( | 18:31 |
| filippz | blacklisting it again... and I'll try to load it via modprobe | 18:32 |
| krnlyng | did you move rm680_init_wl1271 down? | 18:33 |
| filippz | yes i did, but I din't ally pacth I send you - I'll try that now | 18:34 |
| krnlyng | filippz: i think it also does fsck & reboots if there was an unclean mount | 18:34 |
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| filippz | krnlyng: still no luck - it reboots with the patch also | 18:48 |
| krnlyng | filippz: but with the 2.6 kernel it boots? | 18:49 |
| filippz | Yes | 18:49 |
| filippz | and 3.5 boots on nemo | 18:49 |
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| krnlyng | strange | 18:54 |
| filippz | Same as your problem - with blacklisted wl12xx it boots and you can modprobe it, and wlan works - so it's not moving rm680_init_wl1271 (in my case, at least) | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | fwiw i think we only had wl12xx as a module on nemo | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | there was a issue merging it into kernel i think | 18:57 |
| krnlyng | wait i might have done something wrong too, now it doesn't boot for me either :'( i thought we had it... | 18:58 |
| filippz | Stskeeps: we are using it as module also, but it seems that Sailfish uses it a "bit too early" | 18:59 |
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| filippz | maybe adding some kind of requests probe deferral would help (same as dfl61audio-wl1273)... | 19:01 |
| filippz | I'll try and think of something tomorrow... | 19:02 |
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