| wazd | sledges: well, horizontal curvature is the same as n900's keys, I guess it will be alright most of the time :) | 00:00 |
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| wazd | sledges: and size and spacing btw :P | 00:00 |
| wazd | sledges: as for the white part, actually it can not :( | 00:01 |
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| wazd | heya people :) | 08:49 |
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| wazd | If someone is still interested in discussion, http://i.imgur.com/avJaV10.jpg :) | 10:28 |
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| fk_lx | wazd: nice! | 10:34 |
| fk_lx | does it cover the camera? | 10:34 |
| wazd | d-pad geometry is a little messed up, but I guess you can see the idea | 10:34 |
| wazd | yep, there's no other way for current device not to | 10:35 |
| wazd | But it's visible when opened | 10:35 |
| fk_lx | wazd: well I think that is a major usability issue for using such TOH | 10:35 |
| fk_lx | I would expect narrower keyboard but with some of the cover being glass to make possible usage of camera | 10:36 |
| wazd | fk_lx: well, it was not my design decision to move the camera to the center :D | 10:36 |
| wazd | fk_lx: I'd rather use large keyboard and shoot with slider opened :D | 10:36 |
| fk_lx | wazd: keep in mind it's in top center | 10:36 |
| fk_lx | that means you can make your keyboard smaller by that area | 10:37 |
| fk_lx | personally I wouldn't buy keyboard TOH that covers my camera, sorry | 10:37 |
| wazd | fk_lx: sorry to hear that :) | 10:37 |
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| fk_lx | wazd: ;-) | 10:37 |
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| wazd | fk_lx: you should realize though that any "glass" will ruin your photos | 10:59 |
| wazd | fk_lx: due to internal reflections | 10:59 |
| wazd | fk_lx: you can make a hole in the other half for camera and flash large enough for light to spread, but then again I don't quite understand what's so wrong with shooting with slider opened. | 11:01 |
| fk_lx | wazd: sorry no glass, I mean just hole | 11:01 |
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| fk_lx | shooting with slider opened makes shooting problematic | 11:02 |
| fk_lx | faenil: hi | 11:02 |
| wazd | fk_lx: how come? | 11:02 |
| faenil | o/ people | 11:02 |
| fk_lx | wazd: because you must do it | 11:02 |
| wazd | heya :) | 11:02 |
| fk_lx | wazd: you must move the slider, that's another action to required to take picture | 11:03 |
| faenil | anyone who has experience with SNN clustering by any chance? | 11:03 |
| fk_lx | wazd: that's why I'm so for the hole solution :-) | 11:03 |
| wazd | fk_lx: was n900's cover a problem to you? | 11:03 |
| fk_lx | wazd: and you won't loose that much keyboard space :-) | 11:03 |
| fk_lx | wazd: yes, because I had to open it, when on N9 or Jolla I can make photo instantly | 11:04 |
| faenil | fk_lx, hole is not enough, you need a lot of free space around the camera | 11:04 |
| fk_lx | wazd: and what counts is capturing the right moment, which can be lost after a second required to push the slider keyboard | 11:04 |
| faenil | just try taking a pic with your finger like 3-4cm from the camear | 11:04 |
| faenil | the pic will still be bad | 11:04 |
| wazd | fk_lx: even though it launches camera and actually saves you another action? :) | 11:05 |
| faenil | imho it's impossible to do a TOH that will keep camera quality ;) | 11:05 |
| faenil | maybe cutting the TOH in half...maybe... | 11:05 |
| fk_lx | faenil: that's why I opted for smaller keyboard, that wont use the whole width | 11:05 |
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| fk_lx | faenil: in other words will leave the upper part of the cover just like in the ones we have | 11:05 |
| faenil | fk_lx, yes but read again, leaving out a small portion of width is not enough | 11:06 |
| faenil | you need a keyboard which is like width/2 wide... | 11:06 |
| faenil | because even if you put something slighly close to the camera it will reflect and pic will be very bad | 11:06 |
| fk_lx | faenil: well I just thought that keyboard could start just below "I'm the first one" label | 11:07 |
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| fk_lx | won't that be enough? | 11:07 |
| faenil | that's not enough, imho | 11:07 |
| faenil | nope :( | 11:07 |
| faenil | try putting a straight finger there, take a pic with flash, and see results | 11:07 |
| wazd_ | you can't just make a round hole | 11:07 |
| fk_lx | what about slide down keyboard in portrait mode ? | 11:08 |
| wazd_ | it will obscure fov due to thickness | 11:08 |
| faenil | fk_lx, don't know, the phone is very tall already :) it would be difficult to balance the weight | 11:08 |
| faenil | but who knows | 11:08 |
| wazd_ | it's not only tall | 11:08 |
| wazd_ | keyboard would be thin and holding the whole body | 11:09 |
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| wazd_ | or it would be thick and you'll carry it in a bag :D | 11:09 |
| fk_lx | besides guys, to be honest, on screen keyboard is very good, who needs hardware one :-P | 11:09 |
| fk_lx | and if so, maybe external one connected through bluetooth for hardware keyboard lovers :-) | 11:10 |
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| wazd_ | fk_lx: what's the point of the whole toh concept then?) | 11:10 |
| fk_lx | faenil: that's wazd concept: http://i.imgur.com/avJaV10.jpg | 11:11 |
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| wazd_ | if you can plug things via usb/bt/irda | 11:11 |
| faenil | wazd_, are you kidding? what about Arduino lilypad? :D | 11:11 |
| faenil | fk_lx, yeah saw it :) | 11:11 |
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| wazd_ | I just wanted to design uncompromised solution for power users :) And with a proper gaming d-pad :) | 11:22 |
| wazd_ | it would certanly not fit everyone | 11:22 |
| wazd_ | but hwkb lovers should have their own dream to pursue :) | 11:23 |
| stephg | wazd yeah seems to me there's at least 3 toh keyboards on the go here :) | 11:23 |
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| faenil | wazd_, one thing to account for though imho would be something that doesn't let dust/etc scratch the camera while kbd is open | 11:24 |
| faenil | closed* | 11:24 |
| wazd_ | oh well, unfortunately you can't protect it for 100% with reasonable methods, but I guess slightly bigger gap above the camerawould work | 11:30 |
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| wazd_ | cause you will have overall gap thickness + about 0.3mm of 'body' slider part | 11:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (hw kbd) please don't forget to leave whatever support feet needed on both sides or at least in left and right upper corner to allow device to sit on flat surface and user typing without holding the device | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I thnk a ~5mm frame like inverted U with noth ends of U at lower right and left corner would serve nicely as both a stand and also for the slide mech on *sides* of kbd slideout | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/noth/both/ | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (up/down/left/right in above relating to landscape orientation) | 19:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sliding whole kbd TOH (minus right short leg of U-frame) 20mm to the left (downwards in portrait orientation) would open up enough of a window for camera to operate | 19:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ...and allow to hold the device naturally on both long sides in portrait orientation for taking videos/photos | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I know designing that mech would be quite a call | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw sliding left xould expose the D-pad (portrait-)under the screen, which might be useful for other usecases as well | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | would* | 19:44 |
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