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| faenil | o/ | 08:53 |
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| faenil | moo | 08:53 |
| tbr | mååå | 09:02 |
| locusf | ehlo | 09:03 |
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| gry | hi! :) | 09:07 |
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| fk_lx | hi | 09:48 |
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| rcg | morning all | 10:45 |
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| fk_lx | rcg: hi | 10:54 |
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| sledges | ahoi! | 12:51 |
| locusf | hey sledges | 12:51 |
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| rcg | hey :) | 13:02 |
| rcg | fk_lx, have you been to the launch event? | 13:03 |
| tbr | you can see him on the live stream recording, so, yeah | 13:08 |
| locusf | yeah talked to him there :) | 13:09 |
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| rcg | :) | 13:09 |
| rcg | wasn't paying that much attention recently due to irl stuff | 13:10 |
| rcg | well, and likely won't be able to pay much attention in the future as well | 13:11 |
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| fk_lx | rcg: I was there | 13:12 |
| fk_lx | rcg: sorry was a bit away ;-) | 13:12 |
| rcg | fk_lx, great :) | 13:12 |
| fk_lx | I will post photos, maybe even today ;-) | 13:12 |
| rcg | fk_lx, np, am also oscillating between the laptop and other tasks ;) | 13:13 |
| rcg | cool :) | 13:13 |
| fk_lx | rcg: true multitasking ;-) | 13:14 |
| locusf | sledges: I updated the switch graphics glitches away | 13:14 |
| locusf | should be more cleaner now | 13:14 |
| sledges | locusf: \o/ | 13:15 |
| rcg | fk_lx, well, would be better if i was capable of also doing multi-processing ;) | 13:27 |
| fk_lx | rcg: you are doing multiprocessing, aren't you? | 13:28 |
| rcg | fk_lx, well, sorta, but its rather difficult to do the dishes and the laundry at the same time ;) | 13:30 |
| fk_lx | rcg: hehe, sure ;-) | 13:30 |
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| qwazix | after the discussions about statusbar, here's another idea http://play.qwazix.com/shared/tmp_triangular.png | 14:31 |
| qwazix | it's triangular, and the side which it appears depends on where you swipe | 14:32 |
| qwazix | so that it fits both left- and right-handed users without a setting | 14:32 |
| qwazix | it appears over the home-screen if you swipe an app away | 14:33 |
| qwazix | if you tap or scroll the homescreen it vanishes | 14:33 |
| qwazix | you can bring it up again if you swipe from outside in the home-screen | 14:33 |
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| sledges | i think it needs to be shown on that side where the thumb swipes | 14:35 |
| sledges | so it reveals itself under the thumb nail | 14:36 |
| sledges | (not covered under thumb's joint) | 14:36 |
| sledges | how will QML guys kill us for triangular components? ^@^ | 14:36 |
| sledges | ^_^ | 14:36 |
| sledges | a brave concept model qwazix :) | 14:37 |
| w00t | transform: Rotate { angle: 45 } | 14:37 |
| * w00t ducks | 14:37 | |
| sledges | :D | 14:37 |
| w00t | (I actually used this trick myself in the past day..) | 14:37 |
| sledges | ducking? | 14:37 |
| sledges | *g* | 14:37 |
| w00t | rotating a rectangle to get a triangle | 14:37 |
| sledges | is the remaining diagonal part still clickable for other purposes? | 14:38 |
| wazd | woo people :) | 14:38 |
| * sledges woos back at wazd :) | 14:39 | |
| w00t | sledges: for me it wasn't a problem, as I only needed half a triangle, and it was the same color as the background | 14:39 |
| sledges | if you put a switch where the blurred road sign is (rightmost picture http://play.qwazix.com/shared/tmp_triangular.png) | 14:40 |
| sledges | (might not be possible to put one at all, still keeping the heararchy) | 14:41 |
| sledges | i'm talking coming back from the ramping up trumpet control | 14:41 |
| sledges | :D | 14:41 |
| sledges | where we needed to make component height enough to accommodate all that | 14:41 |
| sledges | yet again im not a QMList, surely some magic can be cast | 14:42 |
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| wazd | that clock at the statusbar reminds me good ol' Tablet OS times | 14:44 |
| wazd | when people were trying to fit 4 digit clock into square statusbar widget space | 14:45 |
| wazd | before I proposed a goddamn two widget clock :D | 14:45 |
| wazd | also, I'm not sure how will it look with a bit more icons, like, whatsapp+email+alarm+twitter | 14:47 |
| wazd | and these are just ordinary ones, imagine some worst case scenarios | 14:48 |
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| wazd | anyway: what do you guys think about ubuntu touch statusbar concept: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LN3xUDibFo | 14:52 |
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| Morpog_ | wazd, I like the concept of ubuntu touch there, but I think an always visible statusbar is a concept from yesterday. | 14:56 |
| wazd | Morpog_: agreed, yet we can combine things any way we want :) | 14:57 |
| wazd | Morpog_: you can always pull it down from the top for example | 14:57 |
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| Morpog_ | wazd, but that would conflict with pull down to close | 14:58 |
| Morpog_ | which I really really like | 14:58 |
| wazd | Morpog_: ok, you can pull it up from the bottom :) | 14:59 |
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| Morpog_ | then we are again at the concept we already work on :) | 14:59 |
| * wazd thinks that this "6 photos taken today" is absurdly dumb | 15:00 | |
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| wazd | Morpog_: or you can do pull up to close :P | 15:01 |
| wazd | Morpog_: see, endless possibilities :) | 15:01 |
| Morpog_ | pull down to close just feels so natural :D | 15:02 |
| Morpog_ | maybe I used my N9 too long ;) | 15:02 |
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| wazd | Morpog_: its just because you've used it for quite a while :) | 15:02 |
| qwazix | wazd, have you tried the ubuntu status bar on a device? | 15:02 |
| wazd | qwazix: no, not really | 15:03 |
| qwazix | I find that swipe to get to the desired pane too hard to do, maybe it was the bugginess (slowness?) of ubuntu touch on nexus though | 15:03 |
| wazd | Morpog_: I had "swipe up to close" gesture on Harmattan 1.1 before they hardcoded things up | 15:03 |
| wazd | Morpog_: for me it was like "throw away" thing | 15:04 |
| qwazix | (also BB context menu works like that, but at least you can do it with a two step process if you want) | 15:04 |
| qwazix | wazd, I'm all for providing prefs for swipes | 15:04 |
| qwazix | because it seems to be different what each one perceives as natural | 15:05 |
| wazd | qwazix: sure | 15:05 |
| qwazix | I find down to close better, down seems more natural to close, on the other hand I gave my N9 to a friend and he was always swiping up, even after I told him quite a few times he was doing it wrong. | 15:05 |
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| qwazix | OT: I believe that on BB10 they could have allowed to close the app if you continued to swipe up to the upper edge of the screen | 15:06 |
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| wazd | qwazix: the sad truth is that you can create the crappiest UI in the world and people will get used to it :) | 15:11 |
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| wazd | qwazix: the only thing that will be different is time | 15:12 |
| wazd | qwazix: people are using lots of ultra-ugly UIs everyday | 15:13 |
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| qwazix | wazd, people use lot's of ultra-ugly <insert anything here> everyday | 15:13 |
| qwazix | many people don't even care | 15:13 |
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| wazd | qwazix: Our goal IMO is to provide something outstanding, so people other than user could distinguish our work from other stuff | 15:15 |
| qwazix | And if some do care, they may find beautiful something I find ugly. You can't design for everybody. I love when some people appreciate what I create on the other hand. | 15:15 |
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| wazd | qwazix: that's the greatest marketing point of all :) Cool animations work, precisely measured sub-sub-pixels - don't :D | 15:15 |
| qwazix | wazd, something like that yeah | 15:15 |
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| wazd | iOS7 is quite a spot on example here. Nobody cares about uggliest icons in the world if they appear with fancy swoosh on the screen :) | 15:17 |
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| vakkov | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNwlVw-Ej68 | 15:19 |
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| wazd | vakkov: well, maybe a bit oversaturated example but yes, something like this :D | 15:20 |
| Morpog_ | qwazix, I don't think TMO is a good place for a general Jolla community | 15:24 |
| Morpog_ | too much hate | 15:24 |
| wazd | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_p69T3cWHBs | 15:24 |
| Morpog_ | even N9 users got bullied from time to time by old hardcore maemo users | 15:24 |
| qwazix | Morpog_, if Jolla gets even a little traction the old guard will be a minority anyway IMO | 15:25 |
| Eztran | Probably a very vocal one, though... | 15:25 |
| Morpog_ | still they will disturb | 15:25 |
| qwazix | it always happens when a new device is around, now N9 is old guard | 15:25 |
| wazd | Morpog_: who's wulling who, let me see :) | 15:25 |
| Morpog_ | wazs, it got better over time | 15:26 |
| qwazix | (and IMO it was N9 users that felt "us or them" mostly, and I blame it on meego.com) | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | or the idiots who thought it was a good idea to call harmattan meego.. | 15:26 |
| qwazix | Stskeeps, +547 | 15:27 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: :D | 15:27 |
| qwazix | bbiaw | 15:27 |
| Morpog_ | well, I joined TMO as N9 user and never really used meego.com at all. But I won't count myself as average Joe. | 15:27 |
| Morpog_ | content on TMO was a lot better | 15:28 |
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| thedead1440_ | Morpog_: there were people with N9s who would post on threads asking devs to move their thread to FMC so the animosity was actually a two way street ;) | 15:30 |
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| vakkov | that chnnel is interesting - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYZedD11GtE gotta ask him how did he ge rid of android | 15:34 |
| qwazix | there was another thing, the N9 was less community-friendly by nature (lack of repos, aegis, store etc) so it got less love | 15:35 |
| qwazix | many N9 users that didn't know how things worked around here thought it was because there was not enough council representation or something | 15:35 |
| qwazix | so they created a "us or them" mentality by trying to get more "N9" people in council, which was in itself stupid, as a great percentage of the active developers of N9 were also N900 owners/developers | 15:37 |
| qwazix | exactly as I am saying now, you can't split it up | 15:37 |
| qwazix | and any such effort is poisonous when the time to consolidate in one place comes | 15:38 |
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| merlin1991 | is there an emulator image for nemo actually? I'd like to work on sms import for sailfish, but the emulator does not contain the conversation ui ... | 16:38 |
| faenil | nemo or sailfish? :D | 16:40 |
| merlin1991 | nemo | 16:40 |
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| faenil | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Wayland_Nemo_VM_Image | 16:40 |
| merlin1991 | err well depends on the question | 16:40 |
| merlin1991 | ah yep in this case nemo :) | 16:40 |
| merlin1991 | thanks | 16:40 |
| faenil | np | 16:40 |
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| merlin1991 | faenil: is there by any chance a pre built image I could use? I'm not so keen on building everything | 17:25 |
| faenil | merlin1991, it doesn't take long | 17:25 |
| merlin1991 | and then there's the fact that I don't have a mer-sdk currently ;) | 17:25 |
| faenil | merlin1991, https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#i486-vm | 17:26 |
| merlin1991 | apart from whatever is in the sailfish sdk vm | 17:26 |
| faenil | that is from end of Oct though | 17:26 |
| fk_lx | merlin1991: isn't it possible in sailfish sdk vm to add the nemo stuff that you need? | 17:29 |
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| merlin1991 | fk_lx: I don't really want to touch it, outside updaters (read SDKMaintenanceTool) tend to break when stuff is different | 17:30 |
| fk_lx | merlin1991: that's true, but then it is always possible to do a clean reinstall of SDK | 17:31 |
| sledges | merlin1991: it's just one rpm | 17:31 |
| fk_lx | merlin1991: in the worst case :-) | 17:32 |
| merlin1991 | hm I still have the space to install a proper mer-sdk, I'll go for that | 17:33 |
| fk_lx | \o/ :-) | 17:33 |
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| Morpog_ | merlin1991, tehre are also prebuilt VM images | 18:11 |
| Morpog_ | http://images.formeego.org/virtual-x86/nemo/nemoWayland-20131030.vdi | 18:12 |
| merlin1991 | too late, I'm already commited to building myself, but thanks :) | 18:12 |
| Morpog_ | no problem :) | 18:12 |
| fk_lx | :-) | 18:13 |
| Morpog_ | if you get transparent nemo apps, then follow tgis bug fix: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#i486-vm | 18:13 |
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| faenil | Morpog_, I already linked him that one, saying that it's from end of Oct | 18:18 |
| locusf | hmm we probably need a new image then for x86 | 18:21 |
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| merlin1991 | btw faenil whatabout updating the ks file so that it includes already finished qt5 apps? | 18:22 |
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| faenil | merlin1991, feel free to ;) | 18:25 |
| merlin1991 | more generic question, the messaging ui is qmlmessages? | 18:25 |
| faenil | actually shouldn't it have apps already?... | 18:26 |
| faenil | yes it is | 18:26 |
| merlin1991 | I've been just guessing from the ks file content and the wiki text that it only has fingerterm | 18:26 |
| merlin1991 | my image still builds ... | 18:26 |
| faenil | merlin1991, ok, so why do you say it doesn't have apps :D | 18:27 |
| fk_lx | :-) | 18:27 |
| fk_lx | fingerterm is an app :-P | 18:27 |
| merlin1991 | to stirr up controversy of course | 18:27 |
| faenil | lol | 18:28 |
| fk_lx | ther work on apps will start for good, when the work on qt5 glacier components for nemo will be finished | 18:28 |
| merlin1991 | but I managed to mix "@Nemo Complete Wayland" in the ks | 18:29 |
| merlin1991 | I guess that pulls in a lot | 18:29 |
| merlin1991 | s/mix/miss/ | 18:29 |
| faenil | merlin1991, yes, that is all :) | 18:35 |
| faenil | fk_lx, all apps are qt5 already | 18:35 |
| fk_lx | faenil: that's fact, forgot about great migration in June or July | 18:36 |
| faenil | ;) | 18:36 |
| fk_lx | faenil: but anyway they will shine with Glacier UI ;-) | 18:36 |
| faenil | heheh :) | 18:36 |
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| merlin1991 | faenil: I guess the VBoxManage step in https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Wayland_Nemo_VM_Image#Setup_Nemo_Wayland_VM has to be done outside mersdk chroot? | 18:43 |
| faenil | yes | 18:44 |
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| smokex | I'm getting sailfish on to my N950 atm | 18:52 |
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| smokex | and I have this sneaking suspicion | 18:52 |
| smokex | is sailfish a nemo fork or something? | 18:52 |
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| w00t | not a fork - it uses the same core OS and middleware, it's a different UI on top of it | 18:53 |
| smokex | the instructions start me with a nemo image and it is oddly similar | 18:53 |
| smokex | alright | 18:53 |
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| merlin1991 | hm is there an x tool to resize a window? | 19:00 |
| merlin1991 | I have the problem that my screen is too small and guessing the aspect ratio in scale mode is error prone | 19:01 |
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| stephg | evening all | 20:00 |
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| stephg | just trying the 1205 image, which for the first time has my n9 behaving :) | 20:00 |
| stephg | so that's good :) | 20:00 |
| stephg | hm | 20:01 |
| stephg | can't seem to enable wireless tho | 20:01 |
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| thomas_sch | faenil: I got my n900 running again :) even thought the usb data connection is still kinda broken | 21:57 |
| faenil | thomas_sch, woo :) | 21:57 |
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| stephg | no that's lies, just wasn't happy on first boot it seems | 22:17 |
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| sledges | nito | 23:48 |
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