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| thedead1440_ | DocScrutinizer05: but surely a n900 with the screen size of the n8x0 series would have been much more user friendly. In the end I actually think that the n900 was the start of Nokia screwing up the whole family of NITs. The N9 was the final nail but the rot started at the n900 being reduced to become a smartphone. | 04:58 |
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| thedead1440_ | While I have never played with the n8x0 series, I have always felt the n900 to be tad smaller and in fact a regression in usability when reading on the n8x0 series | 05:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 05:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | back when, a lot of users asked "WHY the small screen", Nokia's answer: "because we want to sell it, nobody would buy a phone with a larger screen" - now look what we got today ;-P | 05:04 |
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| thedead1440_ | :D | 05:13 |
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| ncik______ | well i was one of the first ones to buy a dell streak | 05:18 |
| ncik______ | and eveyone asked me | 05:19 |
| ncik______ | whats the need | 05:19 |
| ncik______ | no one wanted a big screen till note came around | 05:19 |
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| timoph | faenil: didn't find any way to do it. only import from sim seems to be the only available option | 06:35 |
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| locusf | timoph: put the vcf to the root of your sd card, it worked for me | 06:38 |
| timoph | oh. I'll try that | 06:39 |
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| dm8tbr | for me the bluetooth sync seems to have worked | 06:54 |
| dm8tbr | I have now contacts on my Jolla that clearly look like they came from my N950 | 06:55 |
| JvD_ | same here | 06:56 |
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| locusf | great :) | 07:09 |
| locusf | timoph: any news? | 07:09 |
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| timoph | locusf: no time to try now. need to do this thing called work :) | 07:12 |
| timoph | as weird as it sounds :p | 07:12 |
| timoph | dm8tbr: how did you trigger the sync? | 07:13 |
| dm8tbr | timoph: settings, sync, pair, sync | 07:14 |
| dm8tbr | from the N950 side | 07:14 |
| timoph | ah | 07:15 |
| timoph | was trying to trigger it from the Jolla | 07:15 |
| timoph | also don't have n9(50) with me and can't find a way to trigger the sync from an android phone | 07:16 |
| dm8tbr | I think only the N9 is supported for that at the moment | 07:18 |
| timoph | :/ | 07:19 |
| faenil | timoph, the vcf contact option currently only appears if it finds a vcf file afaik | 07:19 |
| dm8tbr | or rather, only the n9 implements that | 07:19 |
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| timoph | hmm. how do I open received files? | 07:22 |
| timoph | other than hitting the notification | 07:22 |
| timoph | (missed it) | 07:22 |
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| timoph | never mind | 07:23 |
| timoph | managed to import contacts from my android phone | 07:24 |
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| timoph | there was an option in android to share contact(s) as vcf and send the file with bt | 07:24 |
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| faenil | timoph, received files are in settings -> transfers | 07:27 |
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| timoph | faenil: thanks. settings is a bit weird place for imo | 07:29 |
| timoph | it | 07:29 |
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| faenil | timoph, agree ;) | 07:29 |
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| stephg | morning everyone | 08:15 |
| stephg | happy Friday | 08:15 |
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| niqt | morning | 08:29 |
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| sledges | happy morning | 08:51 |
| fk_lx | hi | 08:51 |
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| zbenjamin | morning | 08:53 |
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| faenil | morn | 09:32 |
| jhicks | quick question, Android uses RIL, most Linux users use ModemManager. How is the broadband stack for Nemo organized? | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | jhicks: ofono, but it's possible to interface with android's RIL on devices | 09:33 |
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| jhicks | ok. I did manage to get ModemManager working on a Qualcomm SoC. Was sort of hoping to see it over here too. Thanks! | 09:34 |
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| sledges | w00t: congrats with the launch! it's time for: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9iwGqFlEgw | 15:27 |
| sledges | pity khertan is not here, following up chat of two Fridays ago ;) | 15:27 |
| * sledges doesn't know which song version is now more horrible &) | 15:27 | |
| w00t | dear god | 15:28 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: do you have a mix of 'friday' and the jolla tune? | 15:28 |
| w00t | ... | 15:28 |
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| sledges | w00t: better stick with khertan's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVNgUd3qv_Y | 15:29 |
| sledges | Stskeeps: need to mix one xD | 15:29 |
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| unknownone | hello is anyone here? | 16:05 |
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| panda84kde | nope. It's empty in here. | 16:05 |
| Morpog_N9__ | :D | 16:05 |
| Guest55037 | :D | 16:06 |
| sledges | :D | 16:06 |
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| zbenjamin | sledges: that metal version is great | 17:21 |
| sledges | :)) im sure it is | 17:22 |
| zbenjamin | i still got no shipment number for my jolla ! | 17:31 |
| zbenjamin | WHY GOD WHY? | 17:31 |
| zbenjamin | ;) | 17:31 |
| zbenjamin | i think i already broke the refresh button of my mail client ;) | 17:31 |
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| zbenjamin | w00t: do you use a special version of apitrace? of the one from one can install with zypper? | 17:33 |
| zbenjamin | because that version seems to create broken traces, i can not open any of them without crashing qapitrace | 17:33 |
| zbenjamin | not a single frame :/ | 17:33 |
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| zbenjamin | that one sentence is pretty much messed up ... | 17:34 |
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| locusf | so rescue mode, trying probably for the first time now | 17:39 |
| sledges | you already need it ;) | 17:39 |
| zbenjamin | locusf: you already killed your phone? | 17:39 |
| sledges | :D | 17:39 |
| locusf | I don't have no idea how though | 17:39 |
| sledges | he's c00l O_O | 17:39 |
| locusf | not killed, just chmod 777 /opt/alien | 17:39 |
| zbenjamin | omfg ;) | 17:39 |
| sledges | first thing is to void the warranty :D | 17:40 |
| zbenjamin | and that stops you from booting? | 17:40 |
| sledges | +1 | 17:40 |
| sledges | i'd rather do rm -rf /opt/alien | 17:40 |
| sledges | :D | 17:40 |
| locusf | I tried lipstick-colorful-home earlier and I have a potential UI breakage waiting | 17:40 |
| locusf | might have | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | locusf: ... :P | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | we have a rescue mode? | 17:41 |
| sledges | \o/ | 17:41 |
| sledges | way to go locusf :D | 17:41 |
| zbenjamin | haha | 17:41 |
| zbenjamin | lol | 17:41 |
| locusf | I don't know yet | 17:41 |
| locusf | I'm afraid to reboot | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | i would suggest reset to factory very soon | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:41 |
| zbenjamin | whats happening? | 17:41 |
| vgrade | locusf: "the first one" | 17:42 |
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| locusf | vgrade: lol :) | 17:42 |
| zbenjamin | locusf: you can not start ui again? | 17:42 |
| locusf | resetting | 17:42 |
| sledges | :) | 17:43 |
| locusf | Stskeeps: w00t told me yesterday about it | 17:43 |
| locusf | in usb-moded with -r switch | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | locusf: ah, good choice.. | 17:43 |
| locusf | how long is it supposed to be dead? | 17:44 |
| locusf | no lights flashing etcc after resetting | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | locusf: it turns off in the end | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | then power it on | 17:44 |
| locusf | okay | 17:44 |
| locusf | hmm its quiet | 17:45 |
| locusf | nothing from power button | 17:45 |
| locusf | or double tap | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | give it a bit then | 17:46 |
| locusf | jolla text | 17:46 |
| locusf | and a HUGE SIGH OF RELIEF | 17:46 |
| * locusf wipes sweat | 17:46 | |
| sledges | `,:) | 17:46 |
| locusf | ok quiet again | 17:48 |
| locusf | hmm | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | locusf: give it a bit | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | ie don't force a shutdown if possible | 17:50 |
| locusf | sure | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | also, did you reset while usb was plugged in? | 17:50 |
| locusf | won't touch it | 17:50 |
| locusf | no | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 17:50 |
| locusf | should I have? | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | no | 17:50 |
| locusf | ok | 17:51 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | moaaarning | 17:52 |
| sledges | Sfiet_Konstantin: you sound hungover ;D | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | locusf: is the LED on? | 17:52 |
| sledges | or still under the influence ;) | 17:53 |
| locusf | no | 17:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: I didn't drunk, neither today nor yesterday | 17:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I drunk code | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | locusf: ok, power it on | 17:53 |
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| Stskeeps | (hold down power button) | 17:53 |
| sledges | Sfiet_Konstantin: nice :) anything exciting? | 17:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: nothing | 17:53 |
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| sledges | o_o | 17:53 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | experiments on nemo qml plugin social | 17:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I want it to be less dirty | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | evening Venemo | 17:53 |
| sledges | ah ok, still sounds excitingish :) | 17:54 |
| sledges | Venemo: \o | 17:54 |
| locusf | powered on and first run seen | 17:54 |
| locusf | phew | 17:54 |
| Venemo | hi Stskeeps :) | 17:54 |
| Venemo | hey sledges :) | 17:54 |
| Venemo | what's up guys? | 17:55 |
| sledges | everything's up :) | 17:56 |
| sledges | what about you? | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: people playing with their fancy jolla production devices while the rest of us look at them in envy | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:56 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps: you look at them in envy? :P | 17:57 |
| locusf | Stskeeps: thanks :) | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: i don't have one | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:57 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps: srsly? | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | as in, i don't have a production device, i'm in the same queue as everybody else | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | paid for minet oday | 17:58 |
| Venemo | aw, right | 17:58 |
| sledges | and the rest of sailors? ;) | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | well, some ordered the moment it opened | 17:58 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:58 |
| Venemo | I'd have to pay for mine too, but my stupid bank screwed me up and I need to go in there personally | 17:58 |
| Venemo | srsly, I hate banks | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 18:00 |
| Venemo | banks are so much hassle | 18:00 |
| sledges | and they enslave you for life with loans | 18:01 |
| Venemo | if keeping money under my pillow would be secure, I'd keep it under my pillow | 18:01 |
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| mike7b4_on_x230 | asking this again, because no answer last time, anyone know what this means: Error <repo>: Could not run transaction. when running mic? | 18:24 |
| sledges | mike7b4_on_x230: what is the exact full error? | 18:24 |
| mike7b4_on_x230 | sledges: alot of warning messages last warniong: Warning: installing package time-1.7-1.1.17.armv7hl needs 36MB on the / filesystem | 18:25 |
| mike7b4_on_x230 | Error <repo>: Could not run transaction. | 18:25 |
| vgrade | mike7b4_on_x230: what is the command line you use | 18:25 |
| mike7b4_on_x230 | sudo mic cr fs ../NemoWaylandKickstart/mer-images/0.20130801.2.NEMO.2013-10-29.2/nemo-armv7hl-n950-rnd/nemo-armv7hl-n950-rnd.ks --logfile=mer-images/0.20130801.2.NEMO.2013-11-29.1/nemo-armv7hl-n950-rnd/nemo-armv7hl-n950-rnd-0.20130801.2.NEMO.2013-11-29.1-mic.log --cachedir=/mnt/mic-cache/NemoWaylandKickstart --outdir=mer-images/0.20130801.2.NEMO.2013-11-29.1/nemo-armv7hl-n950-rnd --arch=armv7hl --record-pkgs=url --pkgmgr=zypp -- | 18:26 |
| mike7b4_on_x230 | tokenmap=MER_RELEASE:latest,NEMO_RELEASE:latest,SSU_RELEASE_TYPE:rnd,FLAVOUR:devel --pack-to=nemo-armv7hl-n950-rnd-0.20130801.2.NEMO.2013-11-29.1.tar.bz2 --copy-kernel | 18:26 |
| vgrade | do you get any more details with --pkgmgr=yum | 18:26 |
| sledges | mike7b4_on_x230: you are using old kickstarts (X11/Qt4), no wonder there are errors | 18:27 |
| sledges | please use this for current Qt5/Wayland image: https://raw.github.com/faenil/NemoWaylandKickstart/master/nemo-armv7hl-n950-rnd.ks | 18:27 |
| sledges | o hang on, you confused me with the old looking pathnames :D | 18:28 |
| mike7b4_on_x230 | yeah its the new | 18:28 |
| mike7b4_on_x230 | vgrade, testing with yum now... | 18:29 |
| mike7b4_on_x230 | vgrade: AttributeError: 'Yum' object has no attribute 'derefGroups' | 18:30 |
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| sledges | mike7b4_on_x230: where did you obtain your nemo-armv7hl-n950-rnd.ks from ? | 18:32 |
| sledges | everything works fine when I'm using the one from repo link i gaveyou | 18:33 |
| mike7b4_on_x230 | git clone fernels repo | 18:33 |
| mike7b4_on_x230 | faenil* | 18:33 |
| sledges | and why is it under such a strange path? | 18:33 |
| mike7b4_on_x230 | used the builder script and cut/paste the line and it has worked before. but not latest week. | 18:34 |
| sledges | so, builder script might not be liking things | 18:34 |
| sledges | how about just create a new dir and cd into it | 18:34 |
| sledges | copy paste .ks file in there from faenil's repo | 18:35 |
| sledges | and execute sudo mic cr fs nemo-armv7hl-n950-rnd.ks --pkgmgr=zypp --arch=armv7hl --tokenmap=MER_RELEASE:latest,NEMO_RELEASE:latest,SSU_RELEASE_TYPE:rnd,FLAVOUR:devel --copy-kernel --pack-to=nemo-armv7hl-n950-rnd-0.20130801.2.NEMO.2013-11-29.1.tar.bz2 | 18:35 |
| mike7b4_on_x230 | yeah sound better lets see if thats works better | 18:37 |
| * mike7b4_on_x230 sometimes complicates things to much ;) | 18:37 | |
| mike7b4_on_x230 | hgowever same thing happens | 18:37 |
| mike7b4_on_x230 | however* | 18:38 |
| mike7b4_on_x230 | same error | 18:38 |
| sledges | i might have an unclean cache, let me refresh a bit | 18:38 |
| vgrade | mike7b4_on_x230: do you have enough space in /var/tmp | 18:40 |
| mike7b4_on_x230 | http://pastebin.com/QihH0hzk thje error I get it seems like I run out of HD? | 18:40 |
| mike7b4_on_x230 | vgrade: not sure | 18:40 |
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| mike7b4_on_x230 | probadly ios that issue :( | 18:41 |
| sledges | ^_^ | 18:41 |
| sledges | fine shot vgrade :^) | 18:41 |
| vgrade | you can set tmp dir in mic.conf | 18:41 |
| mike7b4_on_x230 | I first thought it was mic-cache thats why I set it to /mnt can mic redirect /var/tmp elsewhere tioo? | 18:42 |
| vgrade | https://github.com/01org/mic/blob/master/etc/mic.conf.in | 18:43 |
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| vgrade | \o faenil | 18:43 |
| mike7b4_on_x230 | :) | 18:43 |
| sledges | o/faenil | 18:43 |
| faenil | vgrade, o/ | 18:43 |
| faenil | |O| | 18:44 |
| mike7b4_on_x230 | now lets try again | 18:44 |
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| frafra | hi all | 18:46 |
| vgrade | frafra: evening | 18:46 |
| faenil | o/ | 18:46 |
| sledges | hello again :) | 18:46 |
| frafra | I would like to know how to try glacier ui :) | 18:46 |
| sandy_locke | frafra: right now, you will not be able to try the whole UI as in screenshots | 18:48 |
| sandy_locke | you can install Nemo Mobile, but only some components are available to see | 18:48 |
| sandy_locke | like virtual keyboard and some comps through a dedicated app | 18:48 |
| sandy_locke | peops, would be good to give feedback in http://play.qwazix.com/grog/?p=665 ;) | 18:49 |
| mike7b4_on_x230 | yeha worked thanks for help :) | 18:52 |
| vgrade | mike7b4_on_x230: np | 18:53 |
| sandy_locke | qwazix, hurrian, Morpog_Mobile : ^ | 18:54 |
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| frafra | mmm... is it possible to use qt creator with nemo? | 19:32 |
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| vgrade | http://jollafin.blogspot.fi/2013/11/play-store-for-jolla.html now this could cause some fallout | 19:47 |
| Aard | what kind of fallout? :) | 19:49 |
| vgrade | Aard: google are very protective of their proprietry apps | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | that's not a jolla blog, just fwiw | 19:50 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps: true | 19:51 |
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| sledges | frafra: thats in the todo list | 19:54 |
| sledges | vgrade: Stskeeps: similar approach, been around for a while: http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/Gapps | 19:57 |
| faenil | sledges, does that work as well? | 19:59 |
| sledges | faenil: my post is jolla unrelated ;) just that there hasnt been any google's fallout on CM | 20:00 |
| vgrade | sledges: google has started to fight back by pointing out to CM that its one click install app violated its play store terms and CM withdrew it | 20:00 |
| sledges | yup, but nothing prevents sideloading | 20:01 |
| sledges | which cm resorted to | 20:01 |
| faenil | sledges, ah ok :) yeah | 20:01 |
| sledges | so as long as theres no one click play install on jolla, all good :) | 20:02 |
| sledges | (bith jollafi blog and cm wiki use same source to obtain gapps.zip faenil | 20:03 |
| faenil | ok | 20:04 |
| lpotter | and here I thought I was going to get some kind of break... | 20:06 |
| sledges | :D | 20:12 |
| sledges | yes lets keep it nemo here | 20:13 |
| vgrade | sry | 20:13 |
| * sledges srys too :} | 20:14 | |
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| sledges | #sailfish (with no os) looks a cosy channel ;) | 20:18 |
| * sledges wanders to debug some Qt stuff.. | 20:19 | |
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| lpotter | you can debug my Qt stuff too. if you'd like | 20:22 |
| twobob | so. call me stupid... I have the mer sdk. I have the mer-target-armv7l filesytem.. I'm just not sure what are the next steps to building a nemo filesystem. I checked out https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing and none of those hardfloat images will aid me.. | 20:23 |
| sledges | twobob: check backlog | 20:24 |
| twobob | backlog? | 20:24 |
| sledges | we just had an intensive nemo rootfs building with mike7b4_on_x230 | 20:24 |
| sledges | of this irc channel | 20:24 |
| twobob | gah | 20:24 |
| twobob | :( | 20:24 |
| twobob | is it online? I was offline :( | 20:24 |
| sledges | two hours ago | 20:24 |
| twobob | doh | 20:25 |
| sledges | in the topic | 20:25 |
| twobob | kk | 20:25 |
| twobob | awesome | 20:25 |
| sledges | :) | 20:25 |
| twobob | thanks sledges | 20:25 |
| sledges | anytime mate :) | 20:25 |
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| twobob | right. but that is the hardfloat stuff again :\ | 20:28 |
| twobob | I think I actually am stupid | 20:28 |
| twobob | will did in the .ks | 20:28 |
| twobob | *dig, see what I can work out | 20:28 |
| sledges | take nemo hardfloat .ks | 20:28 |
| sledges | and rename into softfloat within | 20:29 |
| twobob | oh okay. | 20:29 |
| sledges | the one that mike7b4 used | 20:29 |
| twobob | Sorry, I thought I thought I did that before. | 20:29 |
| twobob | Will do | 20:29 |
| sledges | you did that on a mer .ks | 20:29 |
| twobob | doh | 20:29 |
| sledges | mind nemo oob will be your ram heavy.. | 20:29 |
| twobob | that'll teach me to sleep | 20:29 |
| sledges | at any rate, it will give you wayland/qt5 playground on your kindle | 20:30 |
| twobob | k. I'll do some trimming when I get something happening :) | 20:30 |
| sledges | and a chance to test it all on first place :) | 20:30 |
| sledges | good good | 20:30 |
| twobob | much obliged | 20:30 |
| sledges | i reckon so | 20:30 |
| sledges | :D | 20:30 |
| twobob | Yeah. I'll slap a swapfile on it for now. ugly but will prevent heinous failure while I trim. | 20:31 |
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| sledges | ^ what he said | 20:31 |
| twobob | :) | 20:31 |
| mike7b4_on_x230 | crap seems I bricked my N9 harmattan/nemo partitions and battery is drained, anyone knows if charger works when in ubiboot? | 20:35 |
| twobob | right wait no, I did try this before... http://repo.merproject.org/obs/nemo:/devel:/hw:/ti:/omap3:/n950-n9/ has no armv7l image... Hmm... | 20:36 |
| sledges | twobob: that one contains hardware adaptation packages | 20:37 |
| twobob | When that happens on a kindle mike I rip it open and attach a 1.5v battery to it until I can get to a flashable state | 20:37 |
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| sledges | device-specific (n9xx is hardfloat) | 20:37 |
| twobob | right | 20:37 |
| twobob | so - just - bin it? | 20:37 |
| twobob | for now? | 20:37 |
| sledges | yes | 20:37 |
| twobob | thanks!!!! | 20:37 |
| sledges | you need to find other ways to provide your kindle hardware adaptation (uboot,krnl,user space gfx support if needed) | 20:38 |
| twobob | okay | 20:38 |
| twobob | think I have uboot | 20:38 |
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| sledges | you should you do (i remember your video on kindle ;)) | 20:38 |
| twobob | pretty sure I can rustle up a kernel no seat | 20:38 |
| twobob | *sweat | 20:39 |
| sledges | :) | 20:39 |
| twobob | user space gfx support could be fun :P - thanks very much | 20:39 |
| sledges | mike7b4_on_x230: unsure, one way to find out? | 20:39 |
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| sledges | twobob: so how did you watch that video on youtube on kindle then? ;) | 20:39 |
| twobob | hmm... that was via a couple of IOCTL hacks, some dithering and a LOT of messing around | 20:40 |
| twobob | but meh, if its easy, it aint worth doing :) | 20:40 |
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| sledges | ;) | 20:40 |
| mike7b4_on_x230 | sledges: seems not because it dies after some seconds so no time to repartition, seems I have to install harmattan kernel | 20:41 |
| sledges | i never thought n9 is easily brickable mike7b4_on_x230 , unless you mess with CAL :) | 20:41 |
| mikhas | pr1.3 was the easiest way to brick your n9 | 20:42 |
| sledges | :D | 20:42 |
| mike7b4_on_x230 | sledges: well I guess I exaggerates it a bit reflash harmattan from scratch probadly fix it :) | 20:42 |
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| sledges | mike7b4_on_x230: but for that you need charged battery | 20:43 |
| sledges | there is a battery state check in the flasher | 20:43 |
| sledges | so there should be some way to charge it | 20:43 |
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| twobob | hotwire a duracell ;) call me provisional | 20:44 |
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| twobob | looks at carcasses surrounding him... Hmm... there's probably a better way yeah ;) | 20:44 |
| sledges | mike7b4_on_x230: does it now always boot to moslo or ubiboot or ? | 20:46 |
| mike7b4_on_x230 | sledges: it boots to ubiboot | 20:47 |
| sledges | ok, you can try moslo instead | 20:47 |
| sledges | (if it boots to ubiboot and dies - means there is no way to charge in ubiboot imho, unless some magic flags) | 20:47 |
| mike7b4_on_x230 | yes thgats the plan but forgot howto | 20:47 |
| sledges | mike7b4_on_x230: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#Single_Boot_by_Loading_The_Kernel_.28TRY_THIS_FIRST.29 | 20:48 |
| twobob | Error <creator>: Unable to find pattern: Nemo N950 Wayland doh | 20:50 |
| twobob | hmmmmmmmm | 20:50 |
| twobob | I guess they might be in the adaptations? | 20:51 |
| twobob | *goes fishing* | 20:51 |
| sledges | replace with nemo-complete-wayland | 20:51 |
| sledges | twobob: ^ | 20:51 |
| sledges | that will gut adaptations out | 20:51 |
| twobob | thanks! | 20:51 |
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| twobob | I /will/ learn this stuff! | 20:53 |
| sledges | be careful, is very addictive :D | 20:53 |
| twobob | I'll take my chances ;) LD | 20:53 |
| twobob | LD? :D | 20:54 |
| sledges | LD_LIBRARY_PATH | 20:54 |
| twobob | hehehehehe | 20:54 |
| sledges | you would have gone fishing here btw: https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-patterns/tree/patterns-n950 | 20:54 |
| twobob | readin that | 20:54 |
| twobob | :D | 20:54 |
| sledges | well done sir ;) | 20:54 |
| twobob | and | 20:54 |
| twobob | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation/N9-N950/Wayland | 20:54 |
| sledges | aye | 20:54 |
| twobob | I caught two ;) | 20:54 |
| sledges | :) it is sail-fishy around here indeed | 20:55 |
| twobob | casting deep | 20:55 |
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| twobob | well.. I am sure that this is a really annoying question... but.. any sort of ETA on the libhybris howto? | 22:14 |
| twobob | I just paid my import duties on the "white box" so... thinking it is in a truck somewhere in the morning | 22:15 |
| qwazix | I also hope we can switch between sailfish and glacier on the jolla like switching DE's on desktop | 22:17 |
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| qwazix | ideally while being able to cross-launch apps | 22:18 |
| sandy_locke | hey qwazix o/ | 22:18 |
| qwazix | hey | 22:18 |
| qwazix | nice post | 22:18 |
| sandy_locke | thx :) | 22:18 |
| sandy_locke | didn't get too much feedback though, except on twitter, but you saw | 22:19 |
| twobob | I like the piano best | 22:20 |
| twobob | FWIW | 22:20 |
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| qwazix | I was just awfully late to read it, but I like the idea that the small dialog let's user continue interacting with the background | 22:21 |
| sandy_locke | what's this thing about changing theme on Jolla, are they planing such thing ? | 22:21 |
| qwazix | (maybe the app could shrink there too, and design the dialog the same size as the vkb?) | 22:21 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, it came to me that it should be a feature, at least limited to scrolling and such | 22:21 |
| qwazix | brb phone is dying | 22:22 |
| sandy_locke | (yeah, nice idea) | 22:22 |
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| sandy_locke | (I should actually spec it like this when I have time ;) ) | 22:23 |
| twobob | we ended up doing http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=225860 that on the kindles... which is not as fancy as your lovely full spec system but works around have ZERO multi app capability. | 22:24 |
| twobob | just as an "aside." not really truly relevant | 22:25 |
| sandy_locke | twobob: I always thought Amazon was a hardcore close platform maker ... | 22:27 |
| sandy_locke | *closed | 22:27 |
| twobob | yeah. past tense. might have slightly... err... amended its core functionality shall we say | 22:28 |
| sandy_locke | that's a pretty neat app btw :) | 22:28 |
| twobob | thanks. I just consulted and did pretty pictures for that one. | 22:28 |
| twobob | I mainly caretake http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=203326 which work on ALL kindles ;) | 22:29 |
| sandy_locke | so you have to root it to get to install new apps ? | 22:29 |
| twobob | indeed this is true. | 22:29 |
| twobob | but.. like.. I bought it... its mine.. ;) | 22:30 |
| sandy_locke | ofc ;) | 22:31 |
| twobob | working on nemo for the kindles right now | 22:31 |
| twobob | need a better OS | 22:31 |
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| sandy_locke | srsly ? | 22:32 |
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| sandy_locke | nemo can be installed on a b&w screen ? | 22:32 |
| twobob | working on that | 22:32 |
| twobob | got filesystem, have run qt5 on kindle before... | 22:32 |
| sandy_locke | nice | 22:32 |
| twobob | seems like a few steps away from win to me | 22:32 |
| sandy_locke | and how did you do for the gfx drivers ? They must not be quite usual ... | 22:33 |
| twobob | well that would be the "few steps ;P" | 22:34 |
| sandy_locke | :D | 22:34 |
| twobob | hehehe | 22:34 |
| sandy_locke | good luck on this then ;) | 22:35 |
| twobob | but I have managed a wayland running in shared mem | 22:35 |
| twobob | that worked... | 22:35 |
| twobob | so.. | 22:35 |
| sandy_locke | so it's just fine tuning now then ? | 22:35 |
| twobob | everything is doable with enough time, resources, and code references | 22:36 |
| qwazix | back, sorry connectivity issues | 22:36 |
| twobob | meh sadly no, that was an x11 implementation of wayland... | 22:36 |
| twobob | but hey. baby steps... | 22:36 |
| sandy_locke | arf | 22:36 |
| sandy_locke | yeah I feel you ;) | 22:37 |
| sandy_locke | what's the base of the Kindle OS ? | 22:37 |
| sandy_locke | it's Amazon proprietary ? | 22:37 |
| sandy_locke | or linux , or .. ? | 22:37 |
| twobob | linux | 22:38 |
| twobob | [root@kindle root]# uname -a | 22:38 |
| twobob | Linux kindle 2.6.26-rt-lab126 #5 Sat Sep 1 14:28:26 PDT 2012 armv6l unknown | 22:38 |
| twobob | for the really old kindle 3's | 22:38 |
| twobob | 2.6.31 for the touches | 22:38 |
| sandy_locke | yeah armv6 ^^ | 22:38 |
| qwazix | also PR merged | 22:39 |
| twobob | armv7l for the touches and PW I (one) | 22:39 |
| sandy_locke | qwazix: dialogs or statusbar or both ? | 22:39 |
| twobob | new PW II is new enough to run ice cream sndwich ;P | 22:39 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, but wouldn't install google bloatware on a new device | 22:40 |
| sandy_locke | replicant maybe ? | 22:40 |
| qwazix | I don't have other pending PR's so I guess both :P | 22:40 |
| sandy_locke | thx :) | 22:40 |
| sandy_locke | I just received the notification | 22:40 |
| sandy_locke | do the new Kindle still "clic" when you touch the screen twobob ? | 22:41 |
| sandy_locke | qwazix: what are you working on, Glacier wise, those days ? | 22:42 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, I haven't done much work, I took a break to publish my first app on sailfish, but I have some ideas for the time/date pickers I need to put onto paper | 22:43 |
| qwazix | and by association the clock app | 22:43 |
| sandy_locke | hey, Kindle apps are actually HTML & JS... I could actually do sth on those ^^ | 22:43 |
| qwazix | Kindle does apps? | 22:44 |
| sandy_locke | qwazix: link for you new app ? | 22:44 |
| sandy_locke | qwazix: yes ^^^^ | 22:44 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, for time date picker you proposed sth interesting last time, hope that's what you're talking about ;) | 22:45 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, I just submitted to harbour, it's a port of this though http://www.outofbounds.gr/mobilecrunch/ | 22:45 |
| sandy_locke | so I assume it will be opensource ? | 22:46 |
| sandy_locke | you develop in Qt qwazix ? | 22:46 |
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| sandy_locke | wait, you're the developer of pCam ? | 22:47 |
| qwazix | new look of it http://play.qwazix.com/shared/cover.png | 22:47 |
| qwazix | yep (in both counts) | 22:47 |
| sandy_locke | you know that I always thought it was *the* photo app that should have come with n9 from stock ? | 22:48 |
| qwazix | mostly for fun though, my job involves more html/js | 22:48 |
| sandy_locke | I really liked it, and the fact it was opensource as well ;) | 22:48 |
| qwazix | happy to hear that. It still has some flaws, and some are unsolveable due to bugs in fcam... | 22:48 |
| sandy_locke | ah... | 22:49 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, the calc is opensource (https://github.com/qwazix/speedcrunch-mobile) | 22:50 |
| sandy_locke | qwazix: so in the app you can search for functions pre-installed and work from them ? | 22:51 |
| sandy_locke | (on sailfish version) | 22:51 |
| qwazix | It has built in functions, so you can just write "2*cos(90)" and it calculates it, but you may not know the exact name of the function so you can search on the left pane and tap to insert it in your expression | 22:52 |
| sandy_locke | nice | 22:53 |
| qwazix | (I didn't write the core, just the UI) | 22:53 |
| sandy_locke | ok | 22:53 |
| sandy_locke | and ofc you can save your own functions ? | 22:53 |
| qwazix | no, I don't think that is supported | 22:53 |
| qwazix | you can save variables though | 22:53 |
| sandy_locke | ah... you should | 22:53 |
| sandy_locke | ok | 22:53 |
| qwazix | (however I haven't tried it maybe it does work) | 22:53 |
| sandy_locke | do you think most sailfish apps will be opensource ? | 22:54 |
| sandy_locke | if you tap "opensource" on Apple App store, you have like 2 items showing :P | 22:54 |
| qwazix | I hope so, however I still think a community repo would be awesome. Having dependencies is a major way to boost opensource creativity | 22:55 |
| sandy_locke | I read you'd need to have a dev account to access fingerterm on Jolla... :/ | 22:55 |
| qwazix | because you can build on functionality already done, or just write in whatever language you like, and you just pull the runtime with your app | 22:56 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, that was a false alarm | 22:56 |
| sandy_locke | ah, nice to hear ^^ | 22:56 |
| qwazix | you only need a jolla account, but you need that anyway to access the store | 22:56 |
| sandy_locke | yeah | 22:56 |
| qwazix | (and I am sure there will be a way to circumvent that too) | 22:57 |
| sandy_locke | but would be good to avoid any kind of account, having finally a phone with your own network calls ;) | 22:57 |
| sandy_locke | I hope so | 22:57 |
| sandy_locke | Jolla account means credit card ties I assume ? | 22:58 |
| qwazix | if rpm's can be installed by gui, it will be easy | 22:58 |
| qwazix | no, no | 22:58 |
| sandy_locke | ah ? | 22:58 |
| qwazix | just an email | 22:58 |
| sandy_locke | oh, I like that :D | 22:58 |
| qwazix | I think that's all it asks https://account.jolla.com/registration/register/ | 22:59 |
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| qwazix | ofc you need creditcard or paypal to actually buy the phone | 22:59 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, until it's sold in shops ;) | 23:00 |
| ryukafalz | I'm still hoping for a way to run nemo or sailfish on my CDMA Gnex :P | 23:00 |
| ryukafalz | seeing as it's unlikely we'll see a CDMA Jolla anytime soon | 23:01 |
| qwazix | does it run CyanogenMod? | 23:01 |
| ryukafalz | Currently no, but it could | 23:01 |
| ryukafalz | it's supported | 23:01 |
| sandy_locke | what do they use if not CDMA ? | 23:02 |
| ryukafalz | GSM | 23:02 |
| sandy_locke | but for 3G ? | 23:02 |
| ryukafalz | ahh, what's the standard for that called again... | 23:02 |
| qwazix | yeah that was what I meant. The story is that detailed instructions on how to install nemo will be published for all CM10+ devices | 23:02 |
| qwazix | that's WCDMA | 23:03 |
| sandy_locke | mmh | 23:03 |
| qwazix | don't ask me what that stands for | 23:03 |
| sandy_locke | Wide CDMA ? | 23:03 |
| M4rtinK | World ? | 23:03 |
| M4rtinK | Weird ? | 23:03 |
| qwazix | Water! | 23:03 |
| sandy_locke | WTF^^ | 23:03 |
| M4rtinK | makes sense :D | 23:03 |
| sandy_locke | ;) | 23:03 |
| sandy_locke | do you think Google put wiretap bugs into their Nexus"s chips ? | 23:05 |
| ryukafalz | wideband, looks like | 23:05 |
| ryukafalz | sandy_locke: If anyone did that it'd be the manufacturer, Samsung in my case | 23:05 |
| sandy_locke | I mean, how come they sell an open device knowing their position ? | 23:05 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, but they do the order ;) | 23:06 |
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| ryukafalz | I personally think it's unlikely Google would do that | 23:07 |
| sandy_locke | I'm always suspicious when a big firm do something like that... open, free ... | 23:07 |
| ryukafalz | they already have plenty of ways to monitor devices considering they control the OS ;) | 23:07 |
| sandy_locke | Intel do it ... | 23:07 |
| ryukafalz | Intel also documents it and advertises it as a feature | 23:08 |
| sandy_locke | ryukafalz: yeah but open mean you can install whatever was ported for it ... | 23:08 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, but you never know ^^ | 23:08 |
| ryukafalz | sandy_locke: Sure, but I don't think Google's too concerned about the activities of the few people who might be running something other than Android on a Nexus device :P | 23:09 |
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| sandy_locke | so if they sell somethiing open, that can hold whatever alternative you find, what's there left for them ? except the initial payment ? | 23:09 |
| ryukafalz | They're expecting that most users won't switch away from Android | 23:09 |
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| sandy_locke | yeah, sure but still | 23:10 |
| ryukafalz | and the initial payment should be more than enough on the device side, they're selling a piece of hardware after all | 23:10 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, I think that the nexus line has other goals (like world domination™ ) | 23:10 |
| ryukafalz | what you do afterwards with the device you buy is none of their concern | 23:10 |
| sandy_locke | ryukafalz: that's not what the warranty warning tells me :P | 23:10 |
| qwazix | to push the manufacturers to create something similar, to push the carriers to provide faster android updates and to have a device that all others aspire to. A reference. | 23:11 |
| sandy_locke | yeah qwazix that might be it | 23:11 |
| qwazix | (I really doubt they make much money off nexii either) | 23:11 |
| sandy_locke | if everybody do open, people can install android from other devices not supported in the first place... | 23:12 |
| sandy_locke | like some do with n9 | 23:12 |
| * ryukafalz would have bought an N9 if it were available for my carrier | 23:12 | |
| sandy_locke | ryukafalz: I ordered it in germany (I live in france) | 23:12 |
| ryukafalz | Meego Harmattan still makes me jealous | 23:13 |
| sandy_locke | was never sold in my country | 23:13 |
| sandy_locke | I don't think carrier is important, is it ? | 23:13 |
| ryukafalz | It's important when your devices don't have SIM cards | 23:14 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, it's not so much harmattan that's fancy, that's what you can do with it | 23:14 |
| ryukafalz | If I were on AT&T or T-Mobile I could just swap a SIM in | 23:14 |
| sandy_locke | ? | 23:14 |
| sandy_locke | you don't have sim cards ? | 23:14 |
| sandy_locke | what do you have ? | 23:14 |
| ryukafalz | Sprint. I'm not sure what the standards are actually technically called, but Sprint and Verizon are commonly referred to as CDMA carriers | 23:15 |
| ryukafalz | The devices don't have SIM cards, you have to get the carrier to activate your device for you | 23:16 |
| sandy_locke | wow | 23:16 |
| ryukafalz | and most will refuse to activate a device that they didn't sell you | 23:16 |
| ryukafalz | or that doesn't have their logo on it | 23:16 |
| Eztran | Wow, that's pretty awful. | 23:16 |
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| ryukafalz | plus from what I've heard their service is tremendously overpriced compared to most carriers in europe | 23:16 |
| sandy_locke | ryukafalz: in my country, we call that compulsory sale | 23:17 |
| sandy_locke | and it's forbidden | 23:17 |
| sandy_locke | yeah because in US you pay when you receive a call most of the time | 23:17 |
| sandy_locke | in EU we pay for the month and it's for ongoing and outgoing alike | 23:18 |
| qwazix | even in Europe there are differences between countries. In .gr for example we don't have locked phones | 23:18 |
| sandy_locke | qwazix: you lucky bastards ;) | 23:18 |
| qwazix | we don't even have branded phones anymore | 23:18 |
| sandy_locke | yeah but maybe it's related to the crisis you suffer from, no ? | 23:19 |
| qwazix | no, I haven't seen a single locked phone since 2003 when I got my first mobile | 23:19 |
| qwazix | and back then there wasn't any crisis :P | 23:19 |
| sandy_locke | mmmh, that's sth that should have gone into European constitution ! | 23:20 |
| sandy_locke | ;) | 23:20 |
| qwazix | maybe it's a regulation or something, idk. | 23:20 |
| sandy_locke | how is it like those times in greece qwazix ? | 23:20 |
| sandy_locke | we don't have much feedback now from the media | 23:21 |
| qwazix | I think that the worst is over | 23:21 |
| sandy_locke | they talked about you a lot, and then nothing | 23:21 |
| sandy_locke | hopefully ^^ | 23:21 |
| ryukafalz | wired ISPs are just as bad in the US btw | 23:21 |
| ryukafalz | we usually only have one option in any given area | 23:22 |
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| qwazix | Yeah, hopefully. It's not that it's like before, just that we've reached the low point, and now I can see the first signs of things getting better | 23:22 |
| ryukafalz | in places where there's actually competition they sometimes lower their prices | 23:22 |
| sandy_locke | qwazix: Europe was a bitch with your country, really ! | 23:22 |
| qwazix | (Some changes were long-needed, others not-so-much. Some things are still the same old crap it was...) | 23:23 |
| qwazix | I think they were more of a bitch with .cy | 23:23 |
| sandy_locke | ryukafalz: for wired you still can switch to VOIP, I heard it"s a good alternative in north america... | 23:23 |
| qwazix | they didn't have actual problems, and they just got into the banks and took the money off middle class people | 23:23 |
| sandy_locke | qwazix: cy ? | 23:24 |
| qwazix | cyprus | 23:24 |
| sandy_locke | why did they do that ? | 23:24 |
| qwazix | Greece was another story. Too much mismanagement over the years, it was inevitable. This was a rough way to treat people, yeah, but anybody who says that it was only external factors is lying. | 23:24 |
| sandy_locke | how is it with far right qwazix ? I heard they were really hardcore those days in greece ... | 23:25 |
| qwazix | Sad, mostly. | 23:25 |
| sandy_locke | about that qwazix , all european nations are at fault. In all countries we face big economic troubles | 23:25 |
| qwazix | There were some incidents here and there but I think they stepped over the edge and now the people have started to realize what they were voting for. | 23:26 |
| sandy_locke | some countries are just better placed in the European council... | 23:26 |
| sandy_locke | Finally ! | 23:26 |
| qwazix | I'm a little distanced from the everyday news (too much misinformation) so I don't know if they actually put them in jail after the latest incident. | 23:26 |
| sandy_locke | so you see a resugence of the left ? | 23:26 |
| sandy_locke | *resurgence | 23:26 |
| sandy_locke | they don't put the politician in jail I think, only street leaders | 23:27 |
| qwazix | that's another sad story. The left-center party has been seen as the ones to blame for the crisis, and now they are too low in the polls. The second party is | 23:28 |
| qwazix | a mix of extreme and not-so-extreme leftists with no coherence really | 23:28 |
| sandy_locke | (well I heard that it was far right politicians that did the mistakes, but anyway :( ) | 23:28 |
| sandy_locke | yeah I see | 23:28 |
| sandy_locke | so what are you left with ? | 23:29 |
| qwazix | There are brilliant people in that party who really believe in their views, and have proved that they don't think only about power (many years struggling with 3-5%) but they are overwhelmed by people who just smelled power | 23:29 |
| sandy_locke | crabs are always around the corner :/ | 23:30 |
| qwazix | yeah | 23:30 |
| sandy_locke | we're left with a shitty world, I must say... | 23:30 |
| qwazix | This party, was seen as far left until 2 years ago, and the socialists were government | 23:30 |
| sandy_locke | and now ? they're seen as just left ? | 23:31 |
| sandy_locke | people are always afraid of far left, like it's far right or sth ^^ | 23:31 |
| qwazix | then the socialists collapsed under the weight of the crisis and now they have around 8%, and the leftists have taken their place, and of course they try to be more encompassing and less radical | 23:32 |
| sandy_locke | this is at least what the media try to convey ^ | 23:32 |
| qwazix | (you can't be so radical with 25+% because you know you can't do those things if you get elected) | 23:32 |
| sandy_locke | encompassing to whom ? | 23:32 |
| qwazix | all the people that see themselves as left-wing | 23:33 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, radical change get people scared | 23:33 |
| qwazix | (and those disappointed by the socialists) | 23:33 |
| sandy_locke | ok | 23:33 |
| sandy_locke | so who's in government right now ? The left ? | 23:34 |
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| qwazix | Now the former two big parties (right and socialists) have a coalition | 23:38 |
| qwazix | (proof that politics are just for media consumption) | 23:38 |
| qwazix | until 2 years ago they were worst enemies and now they agree on everything | 23:38 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, in France the leftist government follow the same politic as the former rightist gvt | 23:39 |
| sandy_locke | it has not always been like that, but now with neoliberalism right and left are hand in hand, sadly :/ | 23:40 |
| qwazix | :nod: | 23:41 |
| sandy_locke | there are good things going on though, I see a lot of people change their minds when they understand the underlying corruption of politics | 23:42 |
| sandy_locke | it's misinformation that lead us here | 23:43 |
| qwazix | do they? or will they forget it again in 6 months? | 23:43 |
| sandy_locke | maybe forget yeah... :/ | 23:43 |
| sandy_locke | until they are in deep shit, it's true that people don't usually lift a finger | 23:44 |
| sandy_locke | even when they know that so much shit is going on everywhere in the world | 23:44 |
| sandy_locke | they play blind eyes | 23:44 |
| qwazix | I've started to do it consciously that... | 23:45 |
| qwazix | the politics game is so fundamentally flawed, and the media has fallen into the trap of just playing along | 23:45 |
| qwazix | and trying to analyze why everything is done with political reasons, and not actual actions and effects | 23:46 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, but keep an eye open though | 23:46 |
| qwazix | that I decided I'd better devote my time in making something better in areas that I can really make a little difference | 23:46 |
| sandy_locke | me too | 23:47 |
| qwazix | because trying to change the politics, even in a small place like a university, is like banging on a wall | 23:47 |
| sandy_locke | but I'm still trying to find more engaged way to live... | 23:47 |
| qwazix | so for me it's software, photography, and other things I love. If I can be useful to others with that too, even better. | 23:48 |
| sandy_locke | the thing is, it's exactly what they expect us to do... | 23:51 |
| sandy_locke | politics and corporations | 23:51 |
| sandy_locke | I mean, to do at most | 23:51 |
| sandy_locke | that's why for me it's like you say, but with an eye open on what's going on around me | 23:52 |
| sandy_locke | you never know | 23:52 |
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| qwazix | yeah, I suppose you are right... | 23:56 |
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