| sandy_locke | M4rtinK: see link, actual is almost like this | 00:00 |
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| sandy_locke | we need sth more abstract | 00:00 |
| M4rtinK | I've seen it, body too big, panels too small :) | 00:00 |
| M4rtinK | I would say it is not an easy question :) | 00:01 |
| sandy_locke | yeah I see, but qwazix think we should for sth in the round shapes | 00:01 |
| sandy_locke | yeah I know ;) | 00:01 |
| M4rtinK | sputnik ? :) | 00:01 |
| sandy_locke | the dog ? | 00:01 |
| sandy_locke | yeah I see sputnik now ;) | 00:02 |
| M4rtinK | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sputnik_1 | 00:02 |
| sandy_locke | why not actually | 00:02 |
| M4rtinK | nice, round & retro | 00:02 |
| sandy_locke | I'll try to look into that, thx M4rtinK :) | 00:03 |
| M4rtinK | and as all the other, doesn't have anything to do with how it actually works :) | 00:03 |
| M4rtinK | hh :) | 00:03 |
| sandy_locke | ;) | 00:05 |
| sandy_locke | M4rtinK: something along this line https://www.dropbox.com/s/e19186wa4vyyatj/sputnik.png ? | 00:10 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, looks fine :) | 00:11 |
| M4rtinK | but maybe thicker lines for the 4 anthenas ? | 00:12 |
| sandy_locke | ok, I'll try that ;) | 00:12 |
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| sandy_locke | M4rtinK: reload the former link to see the changes, but I'm afraid the icon is too complex to stand in the statusbar w/o standing out | 00:15 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, that could be an issue | 00:16 |
| M4rtinK | on the other hand, I think most users might just check based on position of the icon | 00:17 |
| M4rtinK | eq. next to icon X | 00:17 |
| M4rtinK | but yeah, it should still be intuitive | 00:17 |
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| M4rtinK | that reminds me, I think BB10 is using a compass | 00:18 |
| M4rtinK | but doesn't just show you where North is, strange :) | 00:18 |
| sandy_locke | see M4rtinK : https://www.dropbox.com/s/fx018nzbsonrgr1/statusbar_specs%201.png , too complex :/ | 00:18 |
| sandy_locke | what kind of compass ? | 00:19 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, a bit too cluttered in comparison to the others | 00:19 |
| sandy_locke | otherwise could go back to this https://www.dropbox.com/s/a56gjfwifivwu5s/mapreloaded.png | 00:22 |
| M4rtinK | hmm, looks like they are actually using that POI marker :D | 00:23 |
| M4rtinK | http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=HKjZvmibHds#t=156 | 00:23 |
| M4rtinK | might be a newer build on their Z10 | 00:23 |
| sandy_locke | ah, yeah they use it | 00:25 |
| sandy_locke | may as well find sth new, you're right | 00:25 |
| M4rtinK | oh, I got i mixed up - N9 is actually the one using the compass: http://cihar.com/media/screenshots/gepes/2011-10-27_10-56-53.png | 00:25 |
| sandy_locke | yeah which is now the Here Maps icon | 00:25 |
| sandy_locke | it is kinda original on their part | 00:26 |
| M4rtinK | and N900 has a big satellite dish pointing up | 00:26 |
| sandy_locke | mmh, ok so let's summarize: we have satellite, sattelite dish, compass, POI marker ... | 00:27 |
| sandy_locke | waves | 00:27 |
| sandy_locke | we need sth that stands out | 00:27 |
| sandy_locke | never seen before | 00:27 |
| sandy_locke | let's think genius here :P | 00:28 |
| M4rtinK | http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sextant_%28icon%29.svg ? :) | 00:28 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, we could go the retro route | 00:28 |
| M4rtinK | keeping up with the marine image :) | 00:29 |
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| Eztran | Oh, like the sextant. Nice idea! | 00:42 |
| sandy_locke | Eztran: M4rtinK : https://www.dropbox.com/s/cwmebgsg6qwa3bn/sextant_icon.png | 00:46 |
| M4rtinK | looks good :) | 00:48 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, we could go with the sextant | 00:48 |
| M4rtinK | maybe add some bit to the left to make it a bit more balanced ? | 00:48 |
| Eztran | Makes a lot of sense with the marine-themed stuff. Only doubt is whether it's intuitive enough - probably? | 00:48 |
| sandy_locke | with a little more polish | 00:48 |
| sandy_locke | Eztran: depend to whom ... | 00:48 |
| Eztran | True, I guess that counts for loads of things. Fair enough. | 00:49 |
| sandy_locke | I don't believe it's ultra intuitive, but it's nice to let people think too ;) | 00:49 |
| Eztran | Probably what I'd think if I just saw it on a desktop, is something along the lines of 'What's that? Oh... I get it... :)' | 00:49 |
| sandy_locke | M4rtinK: I like the unbalancing, it makes you wonder what the thing on the left is for :) | 00:50 |
| sandy_locke | and it actually look like a ship too :P | 00:50 |
| M4rtinK | ok :) | 00:50 |
| sandy_locke | (the last two sentence are not related) | 00:50 |
| sandy_locke | but maybe you're right, I'll leave it at that for tonight, and we'll see with the others tomorrow see what they say | 00:51 |
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| sandy_locke | M4rtinK: Eztran : https://www.dropbox.com/s/fx018nzbsonrgr1/statusbar_specs%201.png | 00:54 |
| sandy_locke | what it looks like on statusbar ;) | 00:54 |
| Eztran | Does 'balance out' the round Bluetooth one on the other side of the NFC one better, I think? | 00:58 |
| sandy_locke | what do you mean ? | 00:58 |
| Eztran | Those two icons are inside circles, the others are just circle themed. Because the Bluetooth and GPS ones are on either side of the centre, it kinda looks more symmetrical than it did before, and the Bluetooth one doesn't stick out as much. | 01:00 |
| sandy_locke | yeah I see what you mean | 01:01 |
| sandy_locke | it's true, but now I feel like the nfc icon is out of place ^^ | 01:01 |
| sandy_locke | maybe I should round theme it too ... to create a coherence : icons that need signals are free, those who don't are rounded | 01:02 |
| Eztran | Might be better to have some reason as to which use what kind of icon, certainly. | 01:03 |
| sandy_locke | there should be a discussion about this tomorrow with qwazix, Morpog & Hurrian | 01:03 |
| Hurrian | uhh, about how many hours from now? | 01:03 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, it's all about coherence, otherwise it's bad desing, unless you eventually have a reason to not be coherent | 01:04 |
| sandy_locke | Hurrian: ^^ | 01:04 |
| sandy_locke | where do you come from ? I didn't see you coming :P | 01:04 |
| Hurrian | sandy_locke: GMT+8; I'm usually up at this time :P | 01:05 |
| sandy_locke | mmh, you live in the east ? | 01:05 |
| sandy_locke | far east even | 01:05 |
| sandy_locke | I was going to bed, but maybe you can give a small feedback on the above links (two last ones) | 01:06 |
| sandy_locke | (I'm GMT+1) | 01:07 |
| sandy_locke | Hurrian: ^ | 01:07 |
| Hurrian | mmm, the sextant icon starts looking like a satellite dish. | 01:08 |
| Hurrian | personally, i'd go with either a satellite icon or an android-style blinking dot with reticle | 01:08 |
| Hurrian | as for statusbar, NFC icon looks a bit unbalanced but okay | 01:09 |
| Hurrian | play/pause could be merged into one button | 01:09 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, nfc icon needs redesign I believe | 01:10 |
| sandy_locke | link for android blinking dot ? | 01:10 |
| Hurrian | http://droidpirate.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/stat_sys_gps_on13.png | 01:10 |
| Hurrian | dot disappears and reappears | 01:11 |
| sandy_locke | for play/pause, I encourage you to make a quick mockup to show me your idea ;) | 01:11 |
| Hurrian | sandy_locke: when music is playing, the button is 'pause', when it's paused, the button is 'play' | 01:12 |
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| sandy_locke | Hurrian: for the droid dot crosshair thing, if go that route it would need good design integration, because I can't see this one from link into Glacier | 01:12 |
| sandy_locke | mmh, yeah, you're right for play/pause. | 01:12 |
| sandy_locke | anyway I did it just to put it here, didn't even know if it was a good idea to put it in the statusbar | 01:13 |
| Hurrian | true, it's a big icon so we have some space to play with, but it needs to be unambiguous | 01:13 |
| sandy_locke | play pause icon is still to be made ;) | 01:13 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, true, but I kinda like the idea of the sextant, was pretty well fitted into the sail theme ;) | 01:14 |
| sandy_locke | anyway, for gps icon, something with an element blinking inside is what's best as for intuitiveness I believe, meaning : to know when it's working | 01:14 |
| Hurrian | satellite dish icon with blinking "radio waves" | 01:16 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, but I wanted sth totally original, that's not to be seen elsewhere... | 01:16 |
| sandy_locke | satellite dish is already on n900 AFAIK | 01:16 |
| M4rtinK | the sextant could be "finding the horizon" :) | 01:18 |
| M4rtinK | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Using_sextant_swing.gif | 01:18 |
| sandy_locke | can we add more than two states for icons ?? | 01:18 |
| sandy_locke | mmh, M4rtinK : thinking about it, it will look like a pendulum going forth and back to find the horizon... ^^ | 01:20 |
| M4rtinK | could look nice & original :) | 01:21 |
| sandy_locke | well, anyway I need to go to bed, so we may discuss this tomorrow (for me ;) ) | 01:21 |
| sandy_locke | M4rtinK: yeah, I think so too, but it may really be inintuitive | 01:22 |
| M4rtinK | well, yeah :) | 01:22 |
| sandy_locke | nite peops, and thx M4rtinK for your support tonight :) | 01:22 |
| M4rtinK | no problem, good night to you too :) | 01:23 |
| sandy_locke | thx :) | 01:23 |
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| azsrok | halo | 01:53 |
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| locusf | ehlo | 09:33 |
| faenil | o/ | 09:44 |
| faenil | morningh peeps | 09:44 |
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| sandy_locke | hey qwazix , morpog, Hurrian : what about using Dribbble too to get feedbacks from our designs ? | 10:42 |
| Hurrian | anyone here who can invite us to Dribbble? | 10:42 |
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| sandy_locke | I have an account, although not as an invited designer :/ | 10:48 |
| sandy_locke | Hurrian: maybe post a request for an invite on twitter with nemo account ? | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | there was this guy who did jolla dribble stuff | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | consider asking him? | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | i think | 10:49 |
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| sandy_locke | do we blur the background in homescreen ? or is it plain wallpaper ? | 10:58 |
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| sandy_locke | qwazix, Hurrian, Morpog : http://plateforme.test.pagesperso-orange.fr/animated_dialogs/animated_dialogs.html | 12:47 |
| sandy_locke | the game is simple: | 12:47 |
| sandy_locke | click on one of the "delete" icon next to one icon | 12:47 |
| sandy_locke | and try to delete it by pressing "delete" button | 12:47 |
| sandy_locke | enjoy ;) | 12:47 |
| Hurrian | sandy_locke: nice :D | 12:48 |
| sandy_locke | ;) | 12:48 |
| Hurrian | how about shortening animations to 0.2s? | 12:48 |
| sandy_locke | Hurrian: it's already 0.15 | 12:48 |
| Hurrian | ah, must be my browser then | 12:48 |
| Hurrian | the app icon should be above "delete this app", though, to inform the user of what he/she is deleting | 12:49 |
| sandy_locke | yes, but it would have made the design more complex | 12:50 |
| sandy_locke | right now it's the exact same elements for all the buttons | 12:50 |
| sandy_locke | I could add a generic icon though | 12:50 |
| Hurrian | ah, in that case, no problem ;) | 12:50 |
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| sandy_locke | and it's still buggy, sometimes animations are not well rendered, you may have to test several times to see clean animations :/ | 12:53 |
| sandy_locke | it's browser related | 12:53 |
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| sandy_locke | so use chrome for full effects | 12:55 |
| sandy_locke | and no blur btw | 12:55 |
| sandy_locke | too much glitches with blur effects... | 12:55 |
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| piggz | just updated my n950 and its starting to look polished! | 13:41 |
| piggz | just one thing...touch screen seems not to work? | 13:41 |
| faenil | piggz, regression, you have to downgrade qtdeclarative pkg | 13:42 |
| piggz | ok | 13:42 |
| faenil | but sledges has more details | 13:42 |
| Wizzup | a | 13:47 |
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| sandy_locke | we need new gps, nfc & goto settings icons ... | 15:59 |
| sandy_locke | (this place is quite still this saturday ^^ ) | 16:00 |
| sandy_locke | and a new play / pause icon | 16:01 |
| sandy_locke | for the record ;) | 16:01 |
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| Morpog_ | sandy_locke, well, I'm wasted today. It seems I'm getting too old for this harcore party stuff :D | 17:02 |
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| sandy_locke | Morpog_: :D | 17:39 |
| sandy_locke | take a cup of hot coffee and a cold bath ;) | 17:41 |
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| ArcherN9 | ello | 18:51 |
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| qwazix | 'lo ArcherN9 | 19:02 |
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| ArcherN9 | So I'm trying to install the NemoWayland on the VB | 19:06 |
| ArcherN9 | It just doesn't boot up =( | 19:06 |
| ArcherN9 | Stuck at the welcome screen. | 19:06 |
| ArcherN9 | "MerDevice (3.6.11-9.4.Nemo) | 19:06 |
| ArcherN9 | Doesn't accept any input after that. | 19:06 |
| ArcherN9 | Any idea what's up? | 19:06 |
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| ArcherN9 | oo Nevermind | 20:06 |
| ArcherN9 | Got it working =) | 20:06 |
| ArcherN9 | cool. hmm | 20:06 |
| ArcherN9 | So I have the basic NemoMobile Wayland up on the VM | 20:07 |
| ArcherN9 | Now it's time to setup the SB2 target | 20:07 |
| faenil | :) | 20:07 |
| ArcherN9 | btw, I ran lipstick before wayland. | 20:07 |
| ArcherN9 | they look virtually the same.. although I was able to easily point differences. | 20:07 |
| faenil | lipstick *is* wayland :D | 20:07 |
| ArcherN9 | eh? lol | 20:07 |
| faenil | as in, when you start lipstick it starts wayland | 20:08 |
| ArcherN9 | what was lipstick before then? | 20:08 |
| ArcherN9 | the old nemo for which updates stopped in June | 20:08 |
| faenil | that was x11 | 20:08 |
| ArcherN9 | oh ohk | 20:08 |
| faenil | and xserver was started separately iirc | 20:08 |
| faenil | while in wayland it's lipstick which starts wayland stuff | 20:09 |
| faenil | afaik | 20:09 |
| ArcherN9 | I thought that was lipstick and new is glacier | 20:09 |
| ArcherN9 | noobism :P | 20:09 |
| faenil | lipstick is a library | 20:09 |
| ArcherN9 | Ok. | 20:09 |
| ArcherN9 | I'll go read more about it now that I know it's not something I ought to be ignoring. | 20:09 |
| faenil | and lipstick-colorful-home is the homescreen (the process which also starts compositor -> wayland, ec) | 20:09 |
| faenil | colorful-home ofcourse uses lipstick lib to do everything it needs :) | 20:10 |
| faenil | *most* of the stuff | 20:10 |
| faenil | glacier is just the new UI which we're working on | 20:10 |
| ArcherN9 | Hmm okay. | 20:10 |
| ArcherN9 | Ok | 20:11 |
| faenil | glacier UX will still run using lipstick | 20:11 |
| ArcherN9 | So until we port everything qt5, we're not working on getting it to Nemo. right? | 20:11 |
| ArcherN9 | it being glacier UI | 20:11 |
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| faenil | crap, I missed his last msgs :) | 21:37 |
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| Venemo_N9 | whose? | 21:37 |
| faenil | ArcherN9's | 21:38 |
| faenil | <ArcherN9> So until we port everything qt5, we're not working on getting it to Nemo. right? | 21:38 |
| faenil | <ArcherN9> it being glacier UI | 21:38 |
| Venemo_N9 | huh | 21:40 |
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| svetlana | hi! has there been anything recent released (after June)? | 23:34 |
| dm8tbr | lots of it | 23:35 |
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| svetlana | looking at http://releases.nemomobile.org/releases/ and failing to see | 23:36 |
| dm8tbr | ah, images you mean | 23:36 |
| svetlana | something I can reasonably put onto a phone.. if you have some other format it's ok | 23:36 |
| svetlana | or do I just update using package manager and it's ok then ? | 23:37 |
| Morpog_Mobile | x11 Nemo isn't developed anymore | 23:38 |
| dm8tbr | yes wayland is the way to go (pun intended) | 23:38 |
| Morpog_Mobile | We switched to qt5 and wayland | 23:38 |
| svetlana | :) | 23:38 |
| svetlana | how do I install that ? | 23:39 |
| Morpog_Mobile | And thats far from stable, thus no official releases | 23:39 |
| Morpog_Mobile | There are WIP snapshots on bittorrent | 23:41 |
| svetlana | ah. I found https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#Wayland.2FQt5, will try (it's ok if it's not stable) | 23:41 |
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